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Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Russian on July 29, 2003, 10:43:16 PM

(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/fs04.jpg)
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Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: udet on July 29, 2003, 11:18:00 PM

have you set the graphics detail to low?

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: B17Skull12 on July 30, 2003, 12:27:44 AM

man i wish i had that but it would eat up to munch memory how munch memory of hard drive does it need i remember fs2002 needed like 2 gb of hard drive.


skull12

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Russian on July 30, 2003, 01:38:01 AM

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Originally posted by udet
have you set the graphics detail to low?

I didn't set details to low for not needed to. Currently most of setting are set on high,  I can maintain 20-40 fps in area that I'm flying (8Q0) but since I got sim 6 hours ago, I didn't fly that much.  I'll see how it performs in large cities.


My system.
Xp2000+ /GF4 4400 /512Mb Ram Pc2700/

btw FS04 runs much better then FS02 IMHO.

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Originally posted by skull12 man i wish i had that but it would eat up to munch memory how munch memory of hard drive does it need i remember fs2002 needed like 2 gb of hard drive.

My defult installed directory is 2,66 GB. I used max install, but minual install requies something around 1.5G.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Creamo on July 30, 2003, 02:09:58 AM

Looks hi-res to me, and quite good.

Fltsim 2002 runs great on my system, and I will buy this once Fltsim 2002 runs is course. I hear the ATC is way improved, and that's why I will upgrade if for nothing else. Plus, it will have tons of fixes and addons like the rest of the series in due time.

Great pic of the DC-3 if thats what it is. Ill try and find my 737 shot from fs2002, it's like looking out our hangar door.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Creamo on July 30, 2003, 02:14:41 AM

(http://www.tqc39.com/hilton.jpg)

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Russian on July 30, 2003, 10:04:34 AM

Give me airport name and I'll post simular image with FS04. (After work)

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Chairboy on July 30, 2003, 10:23:46 AM

Could you post a picture of LAX?

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Otto on July 30, 2003, 10:27:44 AM

I haven't noticed a FR drop between '02' and '04'.  I just got it yesterday so that's a very preliminary judgment.  

   So far I really, really, like it!

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Furball on July 30, 2003, 10:34:35 AM

i like the look of the game, i would be tempted to buy it... but can anyone tell me whats actually fun about it please?

thx!

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: vorticon on July 30, 2003, 11:12:00 AM

the same thing that was fun about the first one...

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Furball on July 30, 2003, 11:19:00 AM

nothing?

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Chaos68 on July 30, 2003, 01:58:52 PM

Best thing about those flight sims is trying to land with gear up. or take a 747 and try and to a loop at 20k.

I have a 1gig PIII, GeForce2.  Dont think that game would run on my system.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Russian on July 30, 2003, 02:07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Furball
nothing?

How about practicing real world procedures? That should save me couple hundred bucks when I get my PPL.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Modas on July 30, 2003, 02:23:29 PM

Does this have ATC interaction?  I thought one of this MS sims had some sort of voice recognition that would actually respond to your requests for take-off etc...

Or am I smoking dope?


Nice screen shots.  Might have to go out and by this, even tho you can't shoot anyone down... :D

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Russian on July 30, 2003, 08:47:00 PM

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Could you post a picture of LAX?

(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/Clipboard8.jpg)

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Mark Luper on July 30, 2003, 09:33:47 PM

Furball,
MS Flightsim is not for everyone. I like it because it feels like the kind of flying I have done and is done by most people. I like the real world navigation, the ability to set prop pitch (and see an increase in MP :) ), mixture, and power settings. I like doing ILS approaches...in short , all the things that people fly real ones for. I will admit though, if I set autopilot on a long flight I am often destined to start snoring after a bit :D

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Chairboy on July 30, 2003, 11:17:51 PM

Thanks for the pic of LAX!  Very nice!

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Fishu on July 31, 2003, 07:34:40 AM

(http://koti.mbnet.fi/fishu/temp/kb-pdf.jpg)
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/fishu/temp/kb-vacc.jpg)
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/fishu/temp/fs2k4-cht.jpg)

Abusing the kneeboard :D

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Dux on July 31, 2003, 08:18:47 AM

Nice. Is it compatible with 2002 add-ons?

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on July 31, 2003, 10:00:02 AM

The only thing I used FS for was IFR training. Great because you have the actual radio nav and you can "pause". "Pause" in the middle of a flight is the best learning tool:D

The flight model always looked fishy in the FS series, I was never impressed. Same with the systems. I really liked FLY when it was released because all the buttons were active and you could really practice the checklists (I used to fly the Hawker a lot).

Else, those sims are still sim and simulate real life ... climb and be bored, watch TV and come back for approach.

Does FS04 has the approach plates, SIDS and STARS integrated into the program? Does ATC finally ask you to fly IFR in a "logical way"? Did they fine tuned the "real world weather" to local areas with smoother transitions? Did they finally tuned the jets performances to real 737/747/learjet behavior? The FS02 737 FMs were a complete jocke in acceleration. Do  they have an operational FMS?
Then I may buy it.

Just out of curiosity, could you post a view of El Monte (KEMT) on final runway 19 please? I'm curious if they changed anything since FS02.
(My favorite FS02 add on was the AN2 freeware). I recall MArk AT having the paid B25 and looking beauuuuuutifull.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: AKIron on July 31, 2003, 11:26:18 AM

I picked it up yesterday. Can you pan the view in the virtual cockpit? Can find nothing in the documentation regarding this.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Pfunk on July 31, 2003, 11:35:44 AM

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Originally posted by Dux
Nice. Is it compatible with 2002 add-ons?

Some work some dont, it's a crapshoot

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Russian on July 31, 2003, 12:16:31 PM

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Originally posted by AKIron
I picked it up yesterday. Can you pan the view in the virtual cockpit? Can find nothing in the documentation regarding this.

Yes you can, its a bit slow but works. My jostick was all ready set with pan on....don't know what settings need to be changed.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Fishu on July 31, 2003, 06:37:49 PM

Frenchy,

If you want to go by SIDS and STARS etc., then go with VATSIM or the likes.
Nothing beats human ATC - other than always present AI ATC ;)
("Where the hell are all ATC's!?" you might ask when online)

Never used FS2002, but Ive read they did adjust the flight models somewhat for the default planes.


AKIron,

It is possible to pan AND move the viewpoint in the cockpit.
You should be able to find most of these commands from the view key assignments section.

I don't remember what pans the view, since I use the joysticks hats to pan and zoom.

However I do remember how to move the viewpoint.. but not exactly which combinations did what, except that those were connected to moving the viewpoint...
which are the following keys:
All the combinations of ctrl,shift and either enter or backspace.
shift/ctrl keys toggles the function for moving the viewpoint around.
theres three combinations: ctrl+shift+enter/backspace, shift+enter/backspace and ctrl+enter/backspace.
enter / backspace toggles the direction of movement.
I don't remember which combinations movedwhich way, but it's all those general directions: up/down, left/right, forward/backward.

You can define the default viewpoint location from the airplane cfg file.

[Views]
eyepoint=43.7, -1.31, 3.7   //(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from reference datum

needs some testing to get it right if you want to change the default viewpoint ;)

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: AKIron on July 31, 2003, 07:23:25 PM

Thanks guys, I was able to map the pan to my stick.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Mark Luper on July 31, 2003, 09:35:12 PM

I havn't bought it yet but from what I am told by developers most of the addon planes from 2002 will work with 2004 but not the other way around.

Frenchy, the 2004 version alows you to click on all the buttons in vc mode :). The design has to support it though, just a couple of addons do but most are comming up with updates to the models that will allow it.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Dnil on July 31, 2003, 10:09:05 PM

just picked this up.  Night in a raging thunderstom in a Jenny, now thats fun.  And just gorgeous with the lightning.

Anyone else get screen flickers, like 4 or 5 in a row when ya end a flight?

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: AKIron on July 31, 2003, 10:35:51 PM

I get those flickers too Dnil. I also get garbled text when I scroll the the help screens too fast.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Bonden on July 31, 2003, 11:30:11 PM

Got any screenies of the Jenny in the thunderstorm??  Had 2002 but it locked my old puter quite badly. Got a 2.4 mgz dell now - mebbe this one will work better with it

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on August 01, 2003, 12:45:49 AM

Oh I remember, in FLY you had a copilot who could do the radio. Great when u go at work and come back 5 hours later.

In FS02, after 2 missed calls ATC went silent as well as your IFR flight plan. Is that still the same? Quite a bummer if so.

Fishu, I was an ATC for Squakbox/VATSIM.;)

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Russian on August 01, 2003, 01:18:18 AM

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy


Just out of curiosity, could you post a view of El Monte (KEMT) on final runway 19 please? I'm curious if they changed anything since FS02.
.

(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/runway19.jpg)

(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/runway192.jpg)

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Dnil on August 01, 2003, 01:36:12 AM

yep, garbled text also, quite annoying actually.  so much for using the kneeboard.

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Fishu on August 01, 2003, 02:53:01 AM

I havent found anything bad with kneeboard..
In fact its a small web browser and goes fine for displaying charts :)

Title: Micro$oft FS2004 is out
Post by: Dnil on August 01, 2003, 03:50:49 AM

the problem is viewing anything on it.  Once you use the scroll it smears anything on it.  Makes it impossible to use anything with the scroll bar.


its late, and they had a special on the word "anything".