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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: aknimitz on July 29, 2003, 10:59:30 PM
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Ok - what the hell is going on with all my MP3s. It seems like every damn song I dload of kazaa lite or wherever .. about 1/2 way through (if Im lucky) I get this god awful screeching!!
I presume this is something that is being done to try to muck up us fileswappers?
Nim
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you are correct! record companies now employ other companies to flood kazza and other P2P's with bogus songs. Madonna did it with her last album it was a track that said "what the FUC! are you doing" looped for the exact length of the real song.
but over the past year a new tactic, "spoofing," has emerged in the fight against file trading. Spoofing is the practice of spamming trading networks with decoy files in an effort to frustrate traders, and, hopefully, drive them to seek music from one of the industry's legitimate downloading destinations.
Not only is spoofing on the rise, but a new company called Covenant is recruiting file traders to post bogus files for them on peer-to-peer networks with the promise of cash and prizes.
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Bastiges. I found one so far that screeched like hell at random points.
I think it was a johnny cash file
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I wonder if you can receive a subpoena for downloading spoofs.
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That's nothing. Yesterday I go steal a car... I'm about three blocks away when I noticed the owner only left about a 1/2 tank of gas!!
j/k :)
That's strange... I've never gotten a file like that. Have you heard of anyone else getting files like this or maybe it's something screwey with your mp3 player?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I wonder if you can receive a subpoena for downloading spoofs.
great question... you dont have the real song ... so how would it be illegal?
RIAA auseholes i bet would find some way to screw you though :mad:
but could a judge really charge you?
also on a side note. are they just going by file names on your PC? if so you could really mess up the system by naming a bunch of bogus text files that say F*** RIAA to whatever.mp3 :D
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Neg - its just windows media thats playing them. What a pain! ;)
Nim
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go to winmx.com and down load there file sharewear,,i allways liked it a tad better than kaza anyways,,plus they havent been cracked down on yet,,im sure it will happen soon,,so better go there and download as many as you can:)<~~never heard any screaching from songs i downloaded from winmx{so far} knock on wood
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I wonder if you can receive a subpoena for downloading spoofs.
I recieved an email from my university stating that the RIAA had filed a complaint against my IP address for downloading copyrighted material. The song they had accused me of downloading wasn't a "spoof" as described above, but about 5 seconds of the song followed by 3 or so minutes of silence.
So they might be able to get you in trouble even for these spoofed songs. Maybe by showing criminal intent?
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Depending on the song, it could have a been a legit part of it. ;)
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Originally posted by Pfunk
Not only is spoofing on the rise, but a new company called Covenant is recruiting file traders to post bogus files for them on peer-to-peer networks with the promise of cash and prizes.
WOW, who's up for sharing bogus mp3 files to get large sum of $$$? :D
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(THeory) - WinMX is RIAA-proof, random numbers tagged onto userIDS each logon..
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Rather amusing the tactics by the RIAA. What i think they going to do is force the file trading to the underground.. While some may think this is a good thing, I do not...
First and formost the real traders will just start doing what spammers did when the heat came for them.. They build a hoarde of zombies to conduct their trading for them.. Get what they want then bomb the zombies in oblivion... This happens all the time.. Why risk yourself when you can find a scapegoat to take the blame.
The other way would be thru trusted groups.. IF people can share kiddy porn then they are going to be able to share music files..
RIAA just is going to make people get smarter on how they conduct their transactions.. and that is not always a good thing..
The RIAA has made news that they are employing hackers (whitehats) to help them protect their content. This is most amusing becuase I predict action will be taken against false positives, which will lead to some enormous lawsuits..
I wouldn't be suprised if some black hat set up a large company to appear to be filetrading to dupe the unsuspecting RIAA. Then they would have to contend with a economic gorilla that doesn't like the slanderous bad publicity...
The possibilities are really endless...
The RIAA is on its last leg.. The record companies really need to think the business model thru.. I dont think the artists are behind them fully. And becuase of that they will fail...
Morse code disappeared when the telephone came about. And that industry was turned upsidown when it happened. Now the music industry is in the technological crosshairs and they are really squirming..
DoctorYO
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(THeory) - WinMX is RIAA-proof, random numbers tagged onto userIDS each logon..
Totally wrong!!! it aint the user ID its your I.P number wich is important!!!
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The possibilities are really endless...
And soon everyone will use proxy-trojans... And then RIAA will have to sue people who really havent downloaded anything hehe!
They CANNOT win this...
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sigh... we tried to help you all.
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Maniac, how do you use a proxy (other than a trojan) with peer to peer filesharing? I've seen where you said this in other threads. Honestly curious.
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Morse code disappeared when the telephone came about.
The last official maritime Morse Code transmission was 4 years ago.
We're not talking about a new medium or technology, it's just a different method of distribution.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Totally wrong!!! it aint the user ID its your I.P number wich is important!!!
Actually, it is the port number used, which leads to the IP address. Scan for the active port, find one opened and boom you have the IP address. Pretty trivial.
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There is another way... http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
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Originally posted by JB73
great question... you dont have the real song ... so how would it be illegal?
Some guy on cops got busted for buying flour that was being passed as cocaine.
-SW
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Originally posted by JB73
great question... you dont have the real song ... so how would it be illegal?
Pedophiles get busted all of the time for trying to hook up with children, when really the person at the other end of the chat session is a cop. It's called intent.
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Filetrading is hardly comparable to buying coke or pedophilia though..
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So? Anything is hardly comparible to the next thing, such as marijuana compared to intending to murder someone... but buy a bag of oregano off someone, and get busted... the consequences of having the intent are still present.
-SW
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Maniac, how do you use a proxy (other than a trojan) with peer to peer filesharing? I've seen where you said this in other threads. Honestly curious.
Theres a program called SocksCAP wich enables you to run ALL your programs thru any Socks 4/5 proxys...
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unless they released the song in an mp3 version I don't see how it's infringment at all. it's not the same data as an audio file. just a digital discription of the file to let my computer know how to reproduce a simular sound. it all seems a little unclear exactlly what is stealing a copy and what isn't.
for example many museums will let you take Photos of their paintings. some even post their own pics of their inventory and this is legal. much like you are legitamatly allowed to make backups of games and music.
if I show these pics to a friend or even give them to him thats ok too as long as I don't use these reproductions to make a profit (selling them or using them in advertising). so how is it that music would be different? as long as you're not selling copys, loading them onto a jukebox where you charge people to hear them, or otherwise making some sort of profit. then where's the problem?
after all this isn't an original cd stolen from a store and then sold on the black market. we're talking about an image, or copy that is being shared freely without profit.
if I buy a painting, then take a pictue of it, then since I enjoy it so much and am so proud of my wonderful new painting that I post a photo of it on the web so all my friends can see it, would that be a crime too? why or why not? what's the difference.
when the great museums post photos of the paintings in their inventory are they setting themselves up for lawsuit?
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
after all this isn't an original cd stolen from a store and then sold on the black market. we're talking about an image, or copy that is being shared freely without profit.
If you rented Lord of the Rings, made 100 copies of the DVD, then gave them away on the street corner, do you understand how that is a violation of copyright law?
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different, this is a copy of something I own.
also this is not an exact duplicate. much like the difference between buying a painting and giving your friends a picture. I mean both pic and painting a 2 dimensional vissual images, of a given scene. but they are not exactly the same.
as the audio file sold on a cd is also a digitalised audio image of a song, it is not exactly the same thing as the mp3 coded audio image that is not recorded in hard copy, but rather just allowed to leave the confines of my pc.
am I also setting myself up for lawsuit when I play my stereo loud enough that the neihbors could record it?
what about radio stations? why is it different when they broadcast it? is it because there signal doesn't go over wires? is it because it's not the exact digital code that is going over the broadcast but an audio version? if the later is true than wouldn't mp3s be the same thing as they are not the exact code either.
if the radio is ok because of the airwaves thing then would file sharing be ok if I used a wireless modem? would the cable tv company be in trouble for the music they send out down the same cable file swapping is done on.
the record comapnys want you to think this is a black and white clear issue of stealing their product and it's just not so. it's a huge confusing grey area here, and while this is not exactly like sittuation we've run into before, there are many activitys that are simular(making casett copys of albums, photos of paintings, radio stations broadcasting music,...) and all of them are legal.
the only real difference between the legal and illegal activity is that the record companys don't like this one. and I don't see that as any kind of basis to make law on.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
different, this is a copy of something I own.
OK, BUY a copy of LOTR, make 100 copies and give them away. Do you understand how THIS is a copyright violation? Set up a TV transmitter and broadcast it through your neighborhood, this is also a copyright violation. The medium doesn't matter. You do not have the right to copy AND distribute it.
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actually, buying it and handing out hard copys isn't the same thing as broadcating.
the mainlegal problem with a home radio station would be having an unlicensed transmitter, and if you did set it up for broadcast on a legitamate station then it would be to increase your ratings wich would be a profit situation.
again, how is this different from a radio station broadcasting the same songs?
the only situation I see as a clear cut violation is when you set your settings to only share files with those willing to share. (as in the 'only allow users sharing xx or more songs'), you are sharing on a condition of them giving something back which would be a type of profit, and IMO clearly a copyright violation.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
actually, buying it and handing out hard copys isn't the same thing as broadcating.
True, but they are both copyright violations.
again, how is this different from a radio station broadcasting the same songs?
Legitimate radio stations have permission from the copyright owner to broadcast the product.
the only situation I see as a clear cut violation is when you set your settings to only share files with those willing to share. (as in the 'only allow users sharing xx or more songs'), you are sharing on a condition of them giving something back which would be a type of profit, and IMO clearly a copyright violation.
Profit has nothing to do with it. You do not have a legal right to share it.
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True, but they are both copyright violations.
the question we where arguing is why it is or isn't a violation?
true but it's a violation is just dodging the subject the point is why it's aviolation.
and what about when I play my stereo loud enough that the neihbor could record a song? if I play a cd loud enough for anyone who hasn't paid for their own copy to hear it is that a copy write violation? if so would I be violating for playing it so loud or would they be in violation for recording it? if they are in violation then is it a violation to record a song off the radio? doesn't the legal warning say it's a violation if you copy for use in profit or public performance, while implying it's ok to copy if no profit is being made?
don't get me wrong I get that you feel that file sharing is a violation, and that the record industry agrees with you. what I trying to do is have someone show me exactly where the line is. so I can see formyself why it's over the line and illegal, also there are some other activities that most of us have done for years that may likely be illegal if file charing is. maybe I need to trun the stereo down. and while the record companies are filing all these lawsuits maybe they could get the niehbor kid in the black mazda to turn down his stereo, someone might record it.
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Do a google search for "copyright violation" or "intellectual property". http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/copyright.html is a pretty good source. I have no intention of discussing every "what if" scenario you can dream up. :rolleyes:
ps. Yes, recording off of the radio is a copyright violation. :D
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well then acording to your link
A copyright gives the owner the exclusive right to reproduce, distribute, PERFORM, DISPLAY, or license his work.
playing your cd's would be an infringement, right.
or is it just playing it for others? so check to see if all who are close enough to hear your music have bought a copy. should I require everyone in my house to own their own copy, of every cd so they can all listin too, or is it only the person pushing the play button who needs to have paid because he's the one 'displaying or performing'