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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MaddDog on July 31, 2003, 12:13:34 AM
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Over the duration of the war we see many protests and people that disagree with Mr.Bushes war in iraq. Now at first i also was on the if if about this war thinking its someone elses problem let them deal with it, then i did alil research on the iraqi government. uday and quesay as well as saddam did some of the most amazing horrible things ive ever heard of, things i cannont begin to imagine, 1 thing i read was about quesay getting bored and having prisoners dangled into whood chippers feet first alive and then when he got bored head first alive, now we know mos of these people in iraqs prisons were lesser crimes or no crimes at all how anyone could do that is amazing and because of boredom, and uday all the countless women he raped then branded them with a U,all the people he killd in horrible ways. This went on for years and years while Saddam had been in power, my question is how could anyone disagree with this war? Even if we havent found Wepons Of Mass Destruction......is what they have done not just like what the germans did to the jews? IMHO what they were doing to the people of iraq was reason enough for going to war, i put myself in one of them people shoes dangling over a woodchipper alive, thats unimaginable, sure families sons and husbands as well as wives and daughters are over there but thats what they get paid for, thats part of the risk when they join, i agree fully with this war and hope all is well there soon!
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IIRC, we didn't fight Germany to save the Jews. We had some other reasons.
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Those stories are all lies Maddog, made up by the great satan Bush and the evil US. Saddam and his sons were wonderful and benevolent and all the people of Iraq loved them. We are there to steal oil and so Bush can get re-elected.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
Those stories are all lies Maddog, made up by the great satan Bush and the evil US. Saddam and his sons were wonderful and benevolent and all the people of Iraq loved them. We are there to steal oil and so Bush can get re-elected.
SOB
Dammit SOB you forgot to add "rape the women, force christianity on the mongrels" to the "steal oil" part.
Look guys, the US is obvisously damned if we do and damned if we don't get involved in outside disputes. We didn't get involved with WWI because we didn't think it was our business. We got roundly criticized for not getting involved in WWII early enough. Criticized for stepping up in Korea AND Vietnam. The world will never be happy with our actions. I say we pull the hell out of Korea (esp. Korea, screw those ungrateful people), Europe, and bring the soldiers home. Let the world fight its own battles from now on. I am so sick and tired of watching us get squeak-slapped by other countries when they more or less sit back and watch. Ok, you sonsasqueakes...you know how I feel.
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Maddog, dont lose sleep over the vocal minority. Read some of the 'no war for oil/Bush is Hitler/Saddam for Pres/etc' threads to get an idea of who on the BBS stands where on the issue.
9 times out of 10 the people that post in support of the above mentioned threads are raving lunatics who cant even get a soild point together, let alone convince anyone of the validity of their stand.
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Maddog, dont lose sleep over the vocal minority. Read some of the 'no war for oil/Bush is Hitler/Saddam for Pres/etc' threads to get an idea of who on the BBS stands where on the issue.
If you can find those threads. Blitz started a few, Boroda chips in occasionally but otherwise you'll have a hard time finding threads that praise Saddam or say Bush is Hitler.
I think there are some whose only defence in the face of opposition is to paint those who disagree with them as Saddam supporting Bush haters. Unfortunately, they have strength in numbers.
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Originally posted by SOB
Those stories are all lies Maddog, made up by the great satan Bush and the evil US. Saddam and his sons were wonderful and benevolent and all the people of Iraq loved them. We are there to steal oil and so Bush can get re-elected.
SOB
hehehehehehe!
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my old neibor beat his wife i knew of it and spoke to him. he didnt react told me to **** off.
some time later he did it in his front yard with his baby present i stopped him and called the police. made shure he was contained till they arrived and gave a report.( was pressing charges if she wasen't)
then bailed the fool so he could go to work to feed his kids.
p.s. cops gave me hell for bailing a wifebeater. piss on them.
i did not kill him and take posession of his wife and house.
can you see the subtle distinction? or are you shouting **** the un?
its not if action was justified its the moronic way it was done. and the fact it was done for profit.
ohh and the president of the u.s. can order murder of specific people? since when.
we are not rome. my sons will not die for rich mens delusions of grandure.
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LDV why didn't you leave him in jail and you feed the kids, after all YOU put him in jail so the kids are your responsabilty, what kind a a liberal are you?
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
some time later he did it in his front yard with his baby present i stopped him and called the police. made shure he was contained till they arrived and gave a report.( was pressing charges if she wasen't)
then bailed the fool so he could go to work to feed his kids.
p.s. cops gave me hell for bailing a wifebeater. piss on them.
i did not kill him and take posession of his wife and house.
can you see the subtle distinction? or are you shouting **** the un?
its not if action was justified its the moronic way it was done. and the fact it was done for profit.
ohh and the president of the u.s. can order murder of specific people? since when.
we are not rome. my sons will not die for rich mens delusions of grandure.
Im not sure what to make of this. Let me try and translate...
You saw your neighbor hit his wife in the company of his child. Ok.
You then 'contained' him (whaddaguy) and called the police at the same time. Ok.
The police arrive, arrest, and jail him. Ok.
You post his bail so he can feed his kids. Ok.
And once the cops voice concern over the last two events, you state 'piss on them. Ok.
So you made a situation that was bad to begin with many times worse, succeeded in getting both your neighbor and his wife to strongly dislike you, had someone arrested, then bailed them out once you figured out it might have been a bad idea, and caused extra work for your local law enforcement.
And all this started out as 'the right thing to do.'
I could not have painted a more accurate picture of the problem with Liberal thought and policy in this country if I tried. Brilliant.
I nominate you for Assistant Principle at that new Homo High in NY.
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There have been far worse Tyrant's in history (since WW2) then Sadam and his Sons. Given your reasoning for invading Iraq why wasn't more done to help those countries?
Let's not forget the whole reason for the war was WMD. And their imminent readiness and threat to the world.
...-Gixer
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uday and quesay as well as saddam did some of the most amazing horrible things ive ever heard of, things i cannont begin to imagine, 1 thing i read was about quesay getting bored and having prisoners dangled into whood chippers feet first alive and then when he got bored head first alive, now we know mos of these people in iraqs prisons were lesser crimes or no crimes at all how anyone could do that is amazing and because of boredom, and uday all the countless women he raped then branded them with a U,all the people he killd in horrible ways.
So the us killed thousands of Iraqies to prevent Sadam & sons Inc. from killing more of them?
There is not a doubt that the Iraqies and the world are better off without Sadam. If you insist on measuring "good" and "bad" - then there was more good done then bad.
Did the US had the right to do it? NO.
This is another example of how a good thing was done for all the wrong reasons and without justification.
Bozon
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Take a look at the Israeli strike on Iraq's nuclear facilities... that strike was denounced and made villian by most major powers (including the US). Several years down the line, we can appreciate what they did.
I think this conflict in Iraq will turn out the same way. We (the people of the US and the world) just need to give it time to prove its validity. In the meantime, I think we'll find something to reinforce the conflict, like some traces of their weapons program very soon as there is little chance they could of hidden/destroyed that much material and research.
Regardless, its harder to win the hearts and minds of a people than it is to militarily dominate them. Problem is, we can't have have another figure head like McArthur (in Japan post WWII) to promote it when the Iraqi people and the entire region are kicking us out before the situation is stabilized.
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Originally posted by Gixer
There have been far worse Tyrant's in history (since WW2) then Sadam and his Sons. Given your reasoning for invading Iraq why wasn't more done to help those countries?
Let's not forget the whole reason for the war was WMD. And their imminent readiness and threat to the world.
...-Gixer
Names like Idi Amin, Pinochet, even Mugabe. History is littered with these power hungry animals, but all the free world seems to do to these guys is wag fingers. History has shown that the free world doesnt give a rats a&& about evil dictators. :( Removing Saddam and huis henchmen definitely justifies this war IMHO, but at what cost to those US mothers and fathers who have lost their sons and daughters. IMHO a secret service led 'hit' could have acheived the same end result??
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Just wondering...
Has any of you changed your position on the war since just before it started? either way?
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The war was about tons of weapons of mass destruction and Iraqs ability to threat the western countries with them as the world was told by Mr. Bush & Tony Blair.
No horror story like this one, true or a lie, will change that fact.
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I'm not sure why it would be a bad thing to kill the wife beater. Or, at the very least, you could beat him to within an inch of his life and tell him the next time he lays a hand on her you're gonna go an inch further. Hell, after that I think the wife should qualify for public assistance to get her back on her feet.
SOB
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Well SOB, from a practical point of view, it would be quite dangerous.
Chances are you would be attacked by the wife before you got to within a few feet of his life. Bizarro as it sounds she would probably come to his aid and protect her husband.
A large portion of cops getting killed are from 'domestic disturbances' The cop steps into the middle and restrains Barney and then Betty has a change of heart and hits the cop from behind.
But I agree with you in principle.
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why not line him up in bagdad square and let all the widows of his regime have a go at him?
never approved of the war but that guy is a real bad man :D
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The little tidbit of knowledge that dorf vader was probably the biggest handsomehunk I'd ever conversed with had begun to fade. This thread brought it, trumpets blaring, back to the forefront of my mind.
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lord dolph is by no means the dumbest guy on this forum
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Who you talkin 'bout, Willis?
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It is not neccessary to find reasons for not going to war.
Before going to war it is absolutely neccessary to find rock solid reasons for going to war.
Otherwise you could fight wars everywhere. No reason not to go - then let's attack...
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Given your reasoning for invading Iraq why wasn't more done to help those countries? -Gixer
Because we chose our battles. We cannot take care of all the worlds' evils and of course will deal with those that are more pertinent to the USA. But before you cast stones and criticize the USA for doing something, but maybe not the right something, let's see New Zealand and some of these other countries get off their derrieres and actually do something. Sounds like you know who to go after, let's see you do it. Otherwise, yours and similar are just talking trash.
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lord dolph is by no means the dumbest guy on this forum
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What do people mean when they say "by no means"......
Think on it a spell before replying.
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New Zealand does quite a lot considering the small size of the country. However, the fact that you didn't know that is not very surprising.
According to what was presented by another, New Zealand knows who the *real* bad guys are, much worse than Saddam, yet I don't see them doing anything about it. Again, it's easy to throw stones, but too bad you throw like a girl.