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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on August 01, 2003, 09:40:56 AM
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I'd like some input from the AH community on their experiences in WWIIOL.
I simply don't trust anyone outside the family here, so that's why I ask you guys.
Please note, this IN NO WAY WILL JEOPARDIZE my AH subsciption. Every now and then, I just need to get out of the cockpit. I've been playing America's Army for a ground war component, and simply find it too "Quake"ish. I'm looking for something a little more cerebral.
I'm wondering if I can even run WWIIOL smoothly, as I have Dell Dimension Intel Pent IV w/ 1.9gig, 256mgs ram, and some Nvidia graphics card. (Which graphics card was top of the line 18 months ago?).
Anyway, please keep it civil, to the point and avoid flames. I'm just looking for a review from someone I trust....another AHer.
Thanks in advance.
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Not unless you're a masochist.
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I've been having fun in it. The new depot spawning is kick arse. There's lots of good inf fights in towns now :) I haven't flown the new FM's yet so I won't talk about the flight part.
The game has come a LONG way in the last 2 years....
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Tried it three times already, 1st during closed beta. 2nd 6 months after launch, and lastly right after 1.9 release. Was dissapointed each time. Could just be me though, some seem to enjoy it, so might not hurt you to try it.
Depends on what you are looking for. If it's air combat, I think you will be disapointed also.
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It is a great game now. People like what they are best at and where they know the most people so most in this game are going to prefer AH.
I have an active sub in two games all the time. I prefer one over the other but I keep both going for the times I get bored and want a new experience for a while.
WW2OL is not the game it was a year ago or even 6 months ago or even last month. It is constantly gettting better. There are still some flaws in it but then again it has things that no other game have.
The interaction between players is probably the biggest plus for the game. A lone wolf type would probably not like it as much.
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I always liek the Tank aspect of the game and had some good tank fights.
But that was back when it first came out! i got sick of it and its just sitting on the CD case not even loaded on my PC>
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I only play it once a week on squad night, so I dont have a lot of time in with the new patch. The new patch is a major upgrade though and it has a ton of new updates and fixes. The only problem I have with it now is the stutter/delay that happens sometimes while you fly. They are still working on a fix I believe.
The new FM is a big improvment over the old FM. I have not flown the german iron, but the allied aircraft are a lot more fun. The ground battles are also more interesting although you still need to work woth a group to do anything.
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Looking at my system spec in the first post, do you think I can run it smoothly?
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Muck, if you're planning on giving it a try, I'd upgrade to a gig of RAM. WW2OL is a RAM hog.
In fact, you would probably want to upgrade the video card to at least a GF4 or ATI Radeon 9500/9600, too.
I've tried the game three different times myself, and left after less than a month of disappointments. I haven't tried it since 1.9, however, and I'm getting the urge to try it again.
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I have a GeForce card in there now..any chance its a GF4?
What does a GF4 cost?
Thanks for all your help.
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I've played it multiple times since it launched (pre-ordered it like a tard). Held an account for 6 months from the beginning and at various points since.
The tank combat on the surface is very good. Infantry is pretty crap, unless you like being mowed down by tanks. I always felt there wasn't enough interaction between infantry, which potentially could be its strongest suit.
Forget about the air combat. It sucks purple monkey balls for a living. The net code was not as good as AH which cripples it as an air-to-air sim - according to Vulcan it still has severe problems. Vulcan's comments echo my own experiences last time I tried it, which was 6 months ago. Draw your own conclusions from that, given the number of updates in that time.
If it is free, give it a shot. You have nothing to lose. But like banana says, 256 MB just won't cut it.
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If you're curious give it a try. It's free for a week (or so I've heard).
MiniD
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What does a GF4 cost?
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You can pick up a Gforce 4, TI4800 128meg card for bout 160 bucks.
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Thanks guys...
I'm going to go shopping now.
As always, the help is appreciated !
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Dude, there's a free 7 day trial from gigex. No risk there.
7 Day Free Trial, just remember it won't accept freemail accounts like hotmail. (http://www5.playnet.com/bv/adm/wwiiol/gigex.jsp)
Try it and decide for yourself.
The new depot spawning kicks bellybutton for the ground.
(http://www5.playnet.com/screens/1000/14862/wwiiol_098.jpg)
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Don't upgrade just yet. I find a GEforce3 Ti500 and 512 is more than enough thanks to the 1.9 OpenGL implementation.
I get 30-40FPS in large battles at 1600x1200 resolution with max detail settings.
I could get 50-80 if I wanted to tone down the graphics, but this is good enough for me.
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I'm in!!!!!!! :p (Lock out procedures commencing...5...4...3...2...)
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160$ for a G4? RIPPEDOFF! Got me a genuine GeForce FX for 98.95$
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Uh,..many of the FX cards are much slower than the Ti4600.
Price will generally dictate which is faster. The 5200 line of FX cards are on par with GF2 Ultras, for instance. Besides, NVidia is having a ton of problems with the FX line. At least the Ti4600 is fleshed out with solid drivers.
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WW2OL is the suck!
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Well, no problems here. FRs have doubled for me in AH, i can smoothly play IL2 (sturmovik) with full graphics.. even with my poopy ol P3-500 and 224 megs of SDr ram or something..
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Rutilant,..what model of FX, and what did you have before? Just curious.
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Skuzzy told me I won't need an upgrade to play AH2...the real reason I was considering it....
But what does Skuzzy know! hehe...
Trying to save me money...what's wrong with you...my wife's gonna piss it away on shoes anyhow.
Seriously, the reason I asked before DLing the software is I have very little free time and don't want to go through alot of problems, wasting hours trying to get something to work when I could be just flying AH. So far, the jury seems split with half saying "try it for the ground war", Half saying it's and I quote "The suck" and all saying don't bother if you are looking for a dogfight.
Something else I find troubling...I'm so used to and comfortable with AH the game and AH the community that I don't give new games much of a chance.
Example..I bought Star Wars Galaxies...played it for 10 hours total, said "what a bunch of geeks..no trash talking...it's like playing with the care bears..."
Returned it. Why do I get the feeling I'm going to be 75 years old and still getting into flame wars with Lazs?
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FX 5200, had a Geforce 4 MX.. which i shouldnt have goten in the first place, but it's all a heck of a lot better than my..... Voodoo 3
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Ok Rut, for you that was a step up, but the 5200 is about as fast as a GF2Ultra. The MX line was pretty limited and was based on the GF2, but had some GF2 features removed.
Just for your reference Rut, the Ti4600 will run circles around the 5200.
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:(
that makes it around 180$ i spent on overrated geForce cards
:( :( :(
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Could be worse Rut. I have fielded a few calls from angry players who had a Ti4400 or Ti4600 and replaced it with a 5200 thinking it would give them better performance.
Marketing leads them to believe the bigger number must be better.
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Remind me to consult you when i try to buy hardware. :o
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ZeroAce = hardcase?
they rhyme..
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Rut,.don't sweat it. As long as you like your card, then that is all that matters. You weren't looking for bragging rights or you would have gotten an FX5900Ultra or an ATI9800Pro.
For you it was an upgrade. At lease you are going in the right direction. :)
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Thanks for the cheer up Skuzz :D
You're right.. playability now, uber later..
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I decide to try ww2ol today, just to have my own opinion
Was hard to find where i can get this free trial so i must turn back to AH BB and follow link from zeroace.
Its hard to find download, but after 10 min of searching between many diferent patches i find at last download from playnet. Ver1.9
3 hours of download.
Instalation allmost automatic , except drive choice. Game default instal on "C" hdd, not on primary active partition with system. Not big thing.
After install game request reboot pc, i not do it and launch offline practice.
I start in 1024x768 with high details. My pc is celeron 1,4, 512 MB Ram, gf400 mx 32 mb./as i remember;)/
Nice front screen with big gauge counting a bit long game load. No big deal i have not newst pc;)
First configuration, and i stuck here. I cannot set views as i like, HAT is allost unconfigurable, special top-left, right position and bottom left-right. Why? its hard to click this position not pushing left or top, game accept one click.
I try to set up throttle and till now not know how to do it. I assingn axis and setup show throtle axis but they are not work. Mayby is tips for that, but it was "live" installation and try out. Will be time to improve that later.
As first ride i pick up spit mk5 for short flight enjoying landscape.
But before i start fly i look at my airplane and saw UGLY low res texture. Better historical but this low quality reminde me old wb2.7 days. WB3 is much better, AH is much much better in this.
Cockpit looks ugly even if is more accurate then AH, WB3 cockpits are beauty compared to this one.
I like engine start, when u must hold key a bit longer , just like in real starter.
Time to go in air;)
I cannot set up throttle so i use increse RPM to get more power.
Funny relaxing mode in tranning or its all RPM managment.
3 modes, something like cruise, high and low RPM.
Start and climb to the clouds, just to familiarise with aircraft. I feel like flying in easy mode in wb2.7. Plane not stall, and all the time react to stick moves. Ok traning mode, maybe its for newbies and i dont know how to change it. When i pass clouds i realise they are flat!!!, its 2 dimension bitmap. But passing them in my way back let me feel a moment like in AH. Clouds are more transparent.
Spit turn like dream, not matter on what speed.
Terrain have much many dferent objects then AH, and flying couple feet over ground i feel great. I feel speed and saw this speed looking on side. Trees reminde me old Tank Platoon, and looks like trees on HT conception shoots. Not best, but little imagination and it can looks interesting. Fighters usual not fly 10 ft over ground.
Secound ride i pick up Havock, great plane :) turn like 109g2 in AH
Funny is when i stannd on the runway and start engines plane turn around. When i press stick to counter torque FPS drop and game allmost lock up??? bug maybe. Plane start faster and faster, game start work slower, allmost till crash. But havock turn great in air. NOt like 2 engines plane but like hvy fighter.
I pick up french version of Boston , and land them on water with open gears!!! I feel like Jezus walking on the lake ;)
So far i find couple nice things like
-dors for gunners must be unlocked and open to start shoot
- aircraft defence guns have CLIPS, no chances here for laser burst like in AH from ju88
- sheeps looks better then in AH;)
end so far
ramzey
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Muckmaw it can be fun. But there are a few things you need to realize:
- 1Gb of RAM is recommended now, with 1.9 a few a reporting the game is taking 512Mb of working RAM
- as mentioned the FM is sloppy work, lots missing lots wrong
- the netcode is horrible, warps are bizzare
- the damage model in the air blows, and its not visible (even flaps only show as full up full down)
So its got some issues in the air but:
- the ground game can be fun, ESPECIALLY if you are patient.
- mapping keys and stick has a steep learning curve and the online manuals are awful but you can get it setup just right
- get Teamspeak its what everyone uses for Vox
- get in a squad, its way better if you are in a squad - when you lonewolf people rarely answer questions
- stick to one side, that way you learn the weapons quickly and can get in a squad AND get your rank up
- do research, check out associate websites like Vaughns Garage, it'll help you figure out how to kill and how you're being killed
- the air game CAN be fun when in support of your ground squad
If you can afford it, I'd recommend subscribing for a month. A week is not going to give you any clue about the real game.
Oh, and thankfully most people over there are NOT like the fanboy tards that poke their head in here. In fact the squad I'm in (3rd Panzergruppe) are just like AHers.
I'm spending less and less time in AH at the moment, think I got a bit burned out. The ground game in WW2OL is a nice change.
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First configuration, and i stuck here. I cannot set views as i like, HAT is allost unconfigurable, special top-left, right position and bottom left-right. Why? its hard to click this position not pushing left or top, game accept one click.
Huh?
You can program just about any view you can imagine. I have my joystick set up to cycle through the 360 views and then use a modifer button to look up or down within that viewpoint.
Although most people are content just mapping the UP hatswitch to view up and leaving the rest where they are.
I try to set up throttle and till now not know how to do it. I assingn axis and setup show throtle axis but they are not work. Mayby is tips for that, but it was "live" installation and try out. Will be time to improve that later.
Double click on the throttle setting in keymapper. Move your throttle.
Take note of the "+" or "-" (if any) that appears after you have mapped your throttle axis.
This allows you to do things like reverse the throttle axis or whatnot. This can be easily changed if you explore the upper tabs of the keymapper.
I pick up french version of Boston , and land them on water with open gears!!! I feel like Jezus walking on the lake
Aye, the water modeling isn't complete. Not because they can't, but because the lack of realistic water does not impede gameplay at this time there was no reason to address it with so many other critical things to work on.
I do know that CRS is right in the middle of making a new hydro model for the destroyer ships. I suspect that will tie in with what you describe as well.
Funny is when i stannd on the runway and start engines plane turn around. When i press stick to counter torque FPS drop and game allmost lock up???
You have to lock the tail wheel. The key is "/" by default.
feel like flying in easy mode in wb2.7. Plane not stall, and all the time react to stick moves.
Waaait a second... You took off the in SPitV?
The modeling audits for the SpitV and 109F didn't make it into 1.9's intial release.
It doesn't effect online play because those two planes will take a while to research (player controled advancing timeline).
By that time (probably in a few days) CRS planned to have them out.
The spitfire IS easy mode anyway :)
Go try and take off in an HE-111.
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Better yet go fight against Spits with a 109 :D
I'm having a Athlon XP2400 with 768mb RAM and FPS are 50-90.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/wwiiol/Untitled-1.jpg
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heh i spend 3 hours online
I meet very nice Canadian squadron member who help me much. TY
Is that famus beta?
I saw 1 ju87 when i was prone, and 1x 109 by 1 sec who run away from my hurri. SO not much as for 3 hours.
How many poples should be on AH MA to strafe AAA by boring?;)
As you understand i cannot chk my skills in fight;)
at last i set trottle and lock tailwhel;) except small problems with take off. FM is very relaxed, landing not dificult. All depends how long you fly. Spit mk 1 fly nice:)
I not understand how to set up mission, its up to rank? Anyway everything what can i do was join somone mission, and steal him aircraft;)
Do i say arcraft skins sux?;) very poor quality. i was not in any squadron and my planes have not markings except roundels.
Mostly all battles are tanks and antitank weapon. And of cours infantry. Nothing interested for addicted pilot.
Engine managment is funny, far from anything i know till now.
View system more like WB3, not bad at all. But quality of cockpit like in 1995. Outside towns ground is flat, only tiles. Ewen without trees, tile looks good and interesting. In towns much more types of buildings, bridges bushes..... From air all this looks even nice but when u become trooper is far from AA, GR, MOH. As i say reminde me Tank Platoon game ( 5-6 years old?)
I not say i understand whole game and philosophy of gameplay, but so far im far from name this flight simulator. Much more reminde me BF1942 but with worse graphics.
I give this game chance and not delete from my hdd tonight. Maybe i miss something importand
ramzey
So far
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So you took the easy mode?
Next time take a 109E and go shoot down some Spits around Antwerpen and Bergen Op Zoom :)
btw we developed a new way to kill those Spits: Make few turns around them, dive low and drag 'em to the FlaKTrap your friends did set up near.
We can't fight against spits with our planes but we can tow plenty of them with a single 109 :D
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
Aye, the water modeling isn't complete. Not because they can't, but because the lack of realistic water does not impede gameplay at this time there was no reason to address it with so many other critical things to work on.
I dunno, I would have thought having some infantry being able to walk on water affected gameplay?
I jumped off a sinking fairmile once and merrily jogged across the English channel :)
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rotflamo, this game is lost for me
I just realise, belowed spitfire mk1 have QUADRATIC wing tips and whole wing!!!
Staga, yes i saw it and got this flak:)
I notice importand thing, if all stored aircrafts on field are lost , you must and ferry next aircraft from base on coast, 45-60 minutes.
Newbies are not welcom, old tards use snipes. No chances to get them in open field covered by bushes.
And first time i saw kamikaze truck who drive in to enemy base and try to ram troops.
ty, this is not game for me
ramzey
btw 1.93 is version with improved fm?
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I generally play a game for at least 30 minutes before using the CD as a coaster.
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I dunno, I would have thought having some infantry being able to walk on water affected gameplay?
I jumped off a sinking fairmile once and merrily jogged across the English channel
Nope. Infantry haven't been able to do that for years. Infantry DO have a swimming state and a swimming speed.
I not understand how to set up mission, its up to rank? Anyway everything what can i do was join somone mission, and steal him aircraft
You need to gain rank to set up your own mission. You can use the missions others have posted to gain rank.
Engine managment is funny, far from anything i know till now.
Engine management is a vital part of a good flight sim. It's a balance of maintaining low heat and conserving fuel.
Going at Max/Max with WEP enabled will overheat your engine in short time and waste fuel.
RPM settings has more to do with acceleration than top speed, so you can trottle it down to economy once you've gained some altitude and are on your way to the action.
Outside towns ground is flat, only tiles. Ewen without trees, tile looks good and interesting. In towns much more types of buildings, bridges bushes..... From air all this looks even nice but when u become trooper is far from AA, GR, MOH. As i say reminde me Tank Platoon game ( 5-6 years old?)
It's not all flat, depends on where you go.
CRS modeled the land based on real world topographical data, so blame northern belgium for being so flat - not CRS.
Go down south and you will find lots of rolling hills.
Go down even closer to the ground and you will notice little undulations even on "flat' terrain that the infantry will use to hide from tanks.
I not say i understand whole game and philosophy of gameplay, but so far im far from name this flight simulator. Much more reminde me BF1942 but with worse graphics.
The philospophy of gameplay is to capture towns and advance the front.
This isn't the air deathmatch you are use to in most flight sims.
There is an actual purpose to your flights. Your only goal in flying is not to rack up personal scores, but to keep the enemy CAS planes or strategic bombers away from important targets.
The tactics of aircombat change a whole lot when you add purpose to your flights.
Much more reminde me BF1942 but with worse graphics.
I dare you to expand on that comparison. Because if you tried to you would realize how terribly ignorant it is and that they share nothing in common but a WW2 theme.
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1Gb of RAM is recommended now, with 1.9 a few a reporting the game is taking 512Mb of working RAM
NOT TRUE at all. The RAM requirements have only gone down.
the netcode is horrible, warps are bizzare
No longer an issue for anyone with a decent connection thanks to the doubled update rate.
the damage model in the air blows, and its not visible (even flaps only show as full up full down)
You are confusing the lack of VISIBLE damage with the lack of REALISTIC damage.
In WW2OL, every bullet is tracked as it passes through an airplane. Bullet penetration is calculated based on bullet mass, angle of entry, thickness and type of armor, etc.
Each bullet is then tracked as it passes through the airplane, hitting vital components or putting holes in the aircraft.
The damage model in the WW2OL FAR surpasses AH and even the normal IL-2.
Only IL-2 FB surpasses WW2OL's damage model because Oleg decided to upgrade to a pyshics based bullet logging system - something WW2OL has always used.
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Muckmaw I'd reccomend just get another 256M ram then give the trial a go. My system is XP1700+, 512M, Geforce2 Ti200 (old card) and it runs fine at 1152x768 even with antialiasing on. In the air it occasionally stutters but no worse than in AH over a smoking field.
Theres lots of thing to dislike about the game. Like trucks being used as APCs to run the guantlet of rifle fire, drop their troops off, then drive around drawing fire and trying to run over enemy infantry.
There's also lots to like about it. The other day I was playing French rifleman trying liberate a town with a river running through it. The Germans held the east bank, and building overlooking the only bridge. Anyone crossing the bridge would get mowed down. It was a stalemate until some French tanks showed up. We used them as cover as they crossed the bridge and suppressed the German positions with mg fire. Once on the other side we surrounded the building and took it. For me the fun stuff outweighs the stupid.
Its not absolutely necessary to join a squad either. At least on the Allied side, theres always someone anouncing what channel to tune for a particular attack or defense.
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I played with XNachoX awhile back, man, I didn't like it it all. Joggersim 2003 was all it was too me. When I finnaly got to where I thought action was I get nailed by something I don't see.
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Like trucks being used as APCs to run the guantlet of rifle fire, drop their troops off, then drive around drawing fire and trying to run over enemy infantry.
Truck drivers who do that get yelled at. Skilled players will avoid enemy contact and drop their troops off safety near the enemy, preferably at their rear or along the flank.
Joggersim 2003 was all it was too me. When I finnaly got to where I thought action was I get nailed by something I don't see.
Joggersim? That is why we have trucks.
Besides, 1.9 brings in Depot spawning which allows infantry to spawn within a town you are attacking.
Playing infantry takes a lot of skill in WW2OL, it's not like your standard FPS where you can just spawn in and rack up a few kills your first time.
Giving up after the first time you were sniped is like giving up trying to fly after getting bounced by an unseen plane on your first flight out.
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Well, I had a helluva time finding someone to drive me :)
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That's because you didn't go to a town with enough people there.
I don't know how long ago you played, but ever since the EWS system came into the game it's been pretty easy to tell where the big attacks are located.
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It was awhile ago, still just not my cup of tea.
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I have an account on WW2OL, even though I don't often get a chance to play. Biggest problem I usually have is every time I go to try again, there is at least another patch to download!
However, we have just discovered our Broadband is already active (was supposed to be next Wednesday) so patches shouldn't be such a problem now. :D
I have never tried flying, as I prefer the ground war there, usually either going as infantry or taking a tank or anti-tank/anti-aircraft gun. I find it helps a lot to be a member of an active squad - I recently joined the Black Knight Brigade who are very active during the times I am on. Also a good vox program is a must, and I highly recommend the one we use - Teamspeak.
I used to be in the French Army and worked my way up the ranks - enough for binoculars at least. Now I am in the British Army starting the climb all over again - and keep forgetting I no longer have binoculars! :rolleyes:
If I had more time I would definitely play WW2OL more often, but never at the expense of AH! :D I always have active accounts in both. :)
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Originally posted by Flossy
I used to be in the French Army...
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LOL! What's wrong with that? It's only a game! ;)
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I know but I had to say something! LOL :p
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LOL! Thought you were mad at me with all those mad faces! :)
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
I dare you to expand on that comparison. Because if you tried to you would realize how terribly ignorant it is and that they share nothing in common but a WW2 theme.
Hehe - Say what you will about BF1942's lack a lot of realism, they still managed to model doors. Sadly, ww2ol's "door model" leaves a lot to be desired on the accuracy front. ;)
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
NOT TRUE at all. The RAM requirements have only gone down.
No longer an issue for anyone with a decent connection thanks to the doubled update rate.
You are confusing the lack of VISIBLE damage with the lack of REALISTIC damage.
In WW2OL, every bullet is tracked as it passes through an airplane. Bullet penetration is calculated based on bullet mass, angle of entry, thickness and type of armor, etc.
Each bullet is then tracked as it passes through the airplane, hitting vital components or putting holes in the aircraft.
The damage model in the WW2OL FAR surpasses AH and even the normal IL-2.
Only IL-2 FB surpasses WW2OL's damage model because Oleg decided to upgrade to a pyshics based bullet logging system - something WW2OL has always used.
Are you completely stupid or do you just pretend to be that way?
Check the forums, its common knowledge 1.9 uses more RAM.
If the bullets are modelled so perfectly why are there so many errors in the damage model?
People in AH aren't as gullible as you:
-Fixed a bug where HE-111 crew positions that used 2 weapons did not die when the alternate position died
-Fixed a bug with He111 position 7 not being killed properly
-Added flap, gear and canopy damage
So lets see, this far superior damage model has only just added damagability to flaps, gear, and the canopy.
Let me explain this to my fellow AHers. You see, with this 'superior' damage model, the only damage you SEE is your engine. Its either leaking fuel, coolant, oil, flaming or not going. Thats it, end of story. Wings don't fall off, planes, don't get ripped apart, flight surfaces stay stuck to the plane, gear never fails. The only other damagable item is the pilot. IE, no structural damage is visible, or seems to occur.
In fact the 'damage' added to flaps, gear, and the canopy (as far as I can tell) is only overspeed damage.
Now Zeroace, I saw infantry blinking out last night. So, umm, dude you're wrong about the netcode.... AGAIN.
The update rate has not been doubled, BTW. Nor has there been a plane/ground biased implemented. I saw a D520 blinking out over Gedinne last night. So either you're believing some BS someone is selling you, or you are a blatant liar?
Your fundamental lack of undertstanding of what we are talking about has lead me to have pity on you. I see now you've most likely never logged onto the MA or you'd understand what we mean by netcode.
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lol Dead :D
Say what you want about BF1942, it does exactly what it says on the tin and has done so from day one. A claim WW2OL cannot share. Furthermore, BF1942 is designed to an action game and nothing more - it achieves that in spades.
Hardcase, it's pretty clear to most people here that you have no real concept of much of what you speak. It's like you are using cue cards written by someone else and your posts remind me of those made by people tring to argue about FM 'realism'. They throw in words like 'realistic physics' but have no real understanding of what that means.
It seems to me Vulcan is actually giving us a far more impartial view of WW2OL. He praises where praise is due, and criticizes where neccessary. He gives enough information for an AH player to take away as a primer before trying the game himself.
Compare and contrast with yourself. You've been coming over here for years now saying exactly the same things - in particular pointing out the accuracy of WW2OL compared to AH. After several revisions and additions you are still playing the same tune you were 18 months ago. It simply doesn't add up. Your consistency in the face of change lets you down.
What I fail to understand is why the desperate selling of the product? People now have the opportunity to make their own minds up through a no obligation trial. I suggest you let them.
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It seems to me Vulcan is actually giving us a far more impartial view of WW2OL.
He doesn't play, he digs through the forums and readme file to extract criticism of WW2OL. Pairing up with the times he was fooled around with the game during the trial periods he can put up a convincing ficade that he knows what he is talking about.
Anyone who actually plays the game would be able to spot this a mile away based on the issues he choses to bring up and the things he leaves out.
Take his view for what it's worth, as I've already shown his 64 limit ranting to be a blatant lie. As are a couple other things he keeps insisting on although I don't have a thread handy to whip out.