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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: loser on August 01, 2003, 12:29:23 PM
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Yup, first time ever.
Got fired for not signing a reprimand paper for missing a day of work to attend a funeral.
My girlfriend's grandma died and my girlfriend asked me to go with her to the service. I know wasnt entitled to 3 days bereavement leave as we are not common law, so I told the manager where i work 3 days before the funeral if I could have the day off. He said dumb stuff like "why don't you just tell her you have to work, etc etc."
He told me to find a replacement for my shift (in my opinion not my job under the circumstances) and I found one the night before my shift. He didnt show because his dentist appointment took longer than excpected. He didnt not show on purpose, he just couldnt make it.
So I'm left holding the bag and get "written-up" for ditching on my shift. Of course, under the circumstances, this is a huge insult to me and my girlfriend's family. I make this point known, and the manager says "oh please, just how religious are you???"
So where i sit now, im pissed for not being allowed time off for attending a relgious ceremony and for being questioned about my religious status at work. Im also pissed at the whole deal of the management at work not giving two chits about attending a funeral where I was mentioned as per the deceased' wish as a grandchild.
Basically just venting here, but any advise legal or otherwise would be appreciated.
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Document everything and get the advice of an attorney.
If they really mentioned religion during your termination you are golden.
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No common law marriages = not married. Not married = not family. Not family = not covered by law. Not covered by law = employer's discretion.
Look on the bright side; if he wasn't going to let you go to a funeral, imagine what he would've done about your going to your future children's activities (like school plays and graduations). Getting out might have been for the better in the long run.
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Originally posted by gofaster
No common law marriages = not married. Not married = not family. Not family = not covered by law. Not covered by law = employer's discretion.
Boy there should be a law,... oops, should be posting in a different thread.
talk to a lawyer...
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Sorry to hear that Loser...In the long run you'll get more respect from your girlfriend's family than your handsomehunk supervisor will ever get in his lifetime on the job.
GL with your next job.:)
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what was the job anyway ?
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Worked at a quick lube fd ski, not a good job anyway, but it is the whole priniciple of the thing.
And yes MT, that is verbatim. After the manager said that i told him he couldnt legally ask me that question. He then said "i knew you were going to pull this legal stuff"
Damn straight I am.
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I'm wondering if signing the reprimand might have been the way to go ... sometimes, signing a written reprimand is not an admission of guilt, but only a form of acknowledgment that you have recieved it.... sorry this doesn't help you now...
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Gunthr the reprimand stands whether i sign it or not. It is kept on file and refusing to sign the reprimand is an acknowledgement that it is factual as stated.
The reprimand states (so i was told, i would not dignify it by reading or touching it) that i missed worked. That much is true. However the reason for missing work negates any job action. You just can't disallow someone from attending a funeral (read: religious ceremony) I don't need the labour board for this one, i've got my Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
And thanks Sirloin, never thought of it that way.
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Sorry to hear that loser. Your boss is obviously a handsomehunk. Since the place is a retail business, I'd contact the local newspaper and see if you can find a journalist interested enough to do a little write-up "Local business fires employee for attending funeral". It's worth a try anyhow, and if you could take away just one of their customers it'd be worth it.
On the job front, I worked at an oil change place when I was just out of high school. In the three months that I worked there I was offered jobs twice by other places that needed help. Both times I just happened to be in my uniform in other places. Once in a 7-11 (can you believe it ;)) and the other when I was getting new tires at a Firestone shop. I doubt you'll have problem getting another job since you already have experience. Good luck!
SOB
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Its time to move up from the Quick (ick) lube, ...
Try the Tire stores next . ( the Les Swaubs here in the U.s. )
Have great apprentice programs , and beni's.plus they pay hourly w/ commissions.
the best thing is you'll learn brakes, suspension,ect.
Its really sad that those lube stores are the bottom feeders in the mechanic world. ( and its mostly the managements fault)
Best of luck in finding a real job with real people.
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Forget it. Get over it. Don't dwell on it. Move on. Sounds like a job you wouldn't make a career of anyway.
When one door closes another opens. Go look for that open door, it's waiting for you and you only!
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If your looking for a job go to your local Fountain Tire loser.
Tell em to call Louis in Lloydminster and I'll give you a great recomend.
Most of our shops are on the look out for Techs or apprentices.
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Loser...
You were in too small a company where you showed up above the radar........
You need to find a job in a big corporation like Motorola, Intel, IBM, AMD etc..... even better, get into a government department someplace....
Once settled in, you'll probably find that you can hide out in a cubicle all day and disappear at will for as much personal time as you'd like. As a bonus, you get to log onto boards like these all day and type tons of emotionally fulfilling posts. It's a comfortable life where one does virtually nothing to collect a reasonable pay check. ;)
Canada has lots of those hiding places..... :D
Regards,
Badger
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Thanks Sax, i may take you up on that (read: i will). The job i had was only making beans so I could afford rent and trying to keep me and the girlfriend fed while im going to University taking a Human Justice degree (criminology with a social justice twist)
Guess that is why I knew how to protect my bellybutton as i got the boot. And mom didnt think my edumacation waz gunna 'mount to nothin'. :D
Mr. Harder, when they call I'm 24, been turning wrenches since i was 12 and i'm very good to my mother.
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Signing a written warning is usually a good thing to do. You can legally demand a copy of any document you sign (in CA). It is usually possible to add a comment to the document as well. This is your chance to basically create a permanent legal record of your side of the story.
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Had that chance MT, but personal preference and my own/ girlfriend's family's dignity was on that dotted line if i signed it. I would not and will not admit fault on my part for attending a funeral.
Basically if I would have touched that piece of paper I would have let my values down not to mention my girlfriend and her deceased grandmother. Not calling myself a martyr, but there are some things a man just can't do. I stand by my decision.
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Thats too bad. Worst thing I ever did was take a month off as a contractor (unpaid leave, no medical insurance) because I hurt my lower back lifting a brand new 20 inch DEL monitor out of the shipping box. Just did it wrong, grabbed it by the foam wrappers and in one heave lifed it out of the box and onto the table. That cost me 30 days and then some for pain and suffering. They were not happy about that.
Never been fired though.
:D
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Loser,
If the boss questioned and / or gave youa hard time about religion, you need to go to an attorney asap. The longer you wait, the less chance you have of getting anywhere. At the very least I see you getting a decent severance package. Good luck.
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Originally posted by loser
Had that chance MT, but personal preference and my own/ girlfriend's family's dignity was on that dotted line if i signed it. I would not and will not admit fault on my part for attending a funeral.
Basically if I would have touched that piece of paper I would have let my values down not to mention my girlfriend and her deceased grandmother. Not calling myself a martyr, but there are some things a man just can't do. I stand by my decision.
This is where you went wrong. Signing doesn't acknowledge that they are right, only that you are aware of the warning. It is not an admission of guilt in any way. That is why you usually have a place to add your comments.
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while you might have a legal position, you'd probaly be better off in the end just to put it behind you. then get even by getting a better job.
I've never been fired, but I quit a few on a principle (I don't regret them, but for the record you can't eat your principles and you might get a little hungry b4 the next job).
in the month b4 my first child was born my wife was in the hospital probably 20 out of 30 days. unproductive labor every other night, and finishing up with a week long stay in the hospital whith sevier infections. I was given the out look that she might not make it through and my son likely wouldn't.
the morning after she was admitted for the week long stay, I showed up at work 1/2 hour early and had all my work done3 hours later. gave the girl up front answers to calls I was expecting, and a forwarding # to the hospital room, I also took a few file with so I could use them to answer questions (was expecting one or 2 calls from bigger clients)
so I stop by the bosses office to tell him that my work is squared away for the day and that I'd be at the hospital with my wife if anything came up.
he tells me he doesn't think it's important enough for me to miss work and to get back to my desk.
so I calmly explain to him that I wasn't asking I was just letting him know where I would be. and also informed him that my wife could very well die and my son wasn't likely to be born at all, and if either of these things happened I inetended to be there, by her side when they did.
he asked if she was on the 'critical list'
the last words I ever spoke to the man where-"I don't work here anymore, and if your mouth opens again before I make it to the door you'll be on that list"
the point is- while I was very broke for awhile and it was over a 1 1/2 years before I worked my way up to making the money I was making then, I don't regret it a bit. the money isn't worth surounding yourself with petty little people like that. I was showing the simptoms of an ulcer at 19 years old (no problem since leaving there 18 years ago), and hated every day of my life.
be the bigger man, put the a-hole behind you and move on.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
so I stop by the bosses office to tell him that my work is squared away for the day and that I'd be at the hospital with my wife if anything came up.
he tells me he doesn't think it's important enough for me to miss work and to get back to my desk.
so I calmly explain to him that I wasn't asking I was just letting him know where I would be. and also informed him that my wife could very well die and my son wasn't likely to be born at all, and if either of these things happened I inetended to be there, by her side when they did.
Some people just don't have any comprehension of what really matters.
Family first, work far, far behind.
capt. apathy
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Loser,
If the boss questioned and / or gave youa hard time about religion...
Originally posted by midnight Target
If they really mentioned religion during your termination you are golden.
Actually, this applies only if you a non-Christian. Muslim works the best, but other religions will help too.
If you are a Christian, you are screwed. It's open season, you know, and a fresh scalp brings rewards... (http://www.raf303.org/phpBB2/images/smiles/bolt.gif)
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Are you a white (or other race) female, black, hispanic, short, fat, gay, transgendered, a crossdresser or a member of any non christian religion, cult or sect? If so your termination has been unlawful!
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No, but I'm Canadian.
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Originally posted by loser
No, but I'm Canadian.
A socialist state! Then your termination certainly has been unlawful! :D
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Originally posted by loser
No, but I'm Canadian.
Oh well then... you're screwed
:D
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Hey Loser,
An opportunity of a lifetime has been placed before you. How you use it is up to you.
Hint: Follow your dreams. The pay will suck for the first few years however, think 10-20 years down the road.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
A socialist state! Then your termination certainly has been unlawful! :D
Thanks for making me laugh m8. Needed that about now.
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Originally posted by Ozark
Hey Loser,
An opportunity of a lifetime has been placed before you. How you use it is up to you.
Hint: Follow your dreams. The pay will suck for the first few years however, think 10-20 years down the road.
You offering me a job ozark? lol
Im living my dream sir with the best girl that god put on this green earth. Lost my job to make sure she wasnt alone when she needed me. And I'd do it one hundred times over.
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Cant believe you lost your job cause of one retarded absent day. Dont know to blame your boss or blame yourself. Who looses a job over one absent day. NOBODY DOES!
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Loser,
You have opened yourself to enhanced betterment of your future. You now have the incentive, and drive to show yourself what you can do. Any job interview is a demostration of selling yourself, letting the interviewer know he shouldn't pass up an opportunity of hiring the best applicant available...You.
Hold your head high, be the man you know, and look at yourself every morning, knowing you are the best you have to offer.
Changing oil is not what you're about, so not working for this fugger is a blessing in disguise. You stayed calmer than most people, so forget the fug. I also commend you for doing what you know is the right thing to do. I would report this situation to the Canadian civil rights group only to make them aware, not to get your job back. You don't want that job back.
Now go out and get another job. Look sharp, alert, and interested in any job that you feel will help you in your career. Don't sell your self short. Try to get a job doing anything in the field you're studing, and want more expertise in. It is really difficult to find a good employees these days. Employers know this. I attend meetings all the time, where the general managers are begging for people to train, or trainable people.
Attendance, attitude, ability, in that order are what they looking for in an employee. Your situation wouldn't ever apply to habitual time off, in my book. You'll probably hear from an ex-coworker the fugger got fired sometime in the future, but who cares.
You are in control now, open your eyes, take a good look, and good luck.
Thorns
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Originally posted by type_char
Cant believe you lost your job cause of one retarded absent day. Dont know to blame your boss or blame yourself. Who looses a job over one absent day. NOBODY DOES!
you're right. I made them up there code to safety standards too. Maybe that is why i got canned. You run a quick lube?
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Sorry to hear that, Loser. Best of luck with getting justice, and hope you find another (better!) job soon. :)
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Loser, sorry to hear about it man. I know the feeling. I was fired just over 2 years ago from a job that I thought really had some potential. 6 weeks into the job I recieved a raise and a big "atta boy" from the CEO and then 6 weeks later I was given my pink slip, 2 weeks pay and no real reason why I was let go. I was so shook up from being fired for the first time I was in a daze for a couple of days. My wife suggested that I file for umemployment so I called TEC and told them the situation. They had a rep call me and ask me questions about the situation and then didn't hear anything from them for a few days (like a week). I got a call back from one of the reps and he said that through their investigation they determined that I got fired for no real reason and that they would approve my application for unemployment. I knew this would really get under the skin of my former CEO so I told the rep, "No thanks, I just wanted to prove a point to myself and that company. Thank you for your time and energy on my behalf." Later, I recieved a letter from TEC stating such fact and it also said that a copy of this letter was sent to my former employer. :D