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Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: ygsmilo on September 18, 2000, 10:18:00 AM
Have you guys been experiencing a lot of these micro-warps when you are getting below D4 ?  

My gunnery already sucks but it seems that many times this weekend when I got in position to fire my target would do those little warps and I would miss.  It had nothing to do with my target as the only time that he warped was at that short range.  Also they were only on rear aspect shots not frontal (new word?)

Your comments would be appriciated.

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JG 2's current cannon magnet

Milo
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Ripsnort on September 18, 2000, 10:24:00 AM
Hiya Milo,
Friday afternoon was a 'micro-warp' day , as it usually is for my Earthlink connection, Sat. was good all day, and Sunday afternoon, I again experienced micro-warps...I think its' my ISP.

Cheers,
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Udie on September 18, 2000, 10:53:00 AM
 I think micro warps will be around until we all have 1gig bandwidth.  There's too much info going accross the net and it needs to be a continuous stream or you'll get micro warps.  Any dumped or late packets are going to cause it (im 99.999999999% sure of this)

 When I enter a large furball I get micro warps even though I have a 30ms ping and am only 13 hops from the server. We will have Utopia one day  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Udie
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: AKDejaVu on September 18, 2000, 11:48:00 AM
Try to figure out just when the Microwarps happen.  For me, they are predominant when the aircraft goes under my nose cowl.  The aircaft then disappears for a half second then reappears.  I really notice it on shots where we are both turning.

I actually believe it to be caused by the disappearing Icon enhancement.

The warping isn't so much a problem as the outright disappearing.

AKDejaVu
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Fishu on September 18, 2000, 12:20:00 PM
warps are usually created by lost packets or too high packet size I believe.. (some proxy or such in the middle.. just figures)

You can try to cut microwarps by lowering your MTU settings (At least this did work with WarBirds and Dawn of Aces for sure)
Usually default MTU is somewhere in thousands, I would prefer to use some lower setting like 512.

This is just a hint for them who wants to try, so no need to come tell me "that does not work" if you think so.
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: AKDejaVu on September 18, 2000, 12:23:00 PM
What I am seeing is not micro warps.  The one thing about micro warps is that the smoothing code still renders the aircraft.  In my situation, the aircraft is no longer drawn.  It completely disappears.

AKDejaVu
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Hangtime on September 18, 2000, 12:41:00 PM
I'm getting micro warps. Con is in close; less than 300 yards; and manuvering. I'm saddled up; system shows him starting a reverse, then a plit second later; the attitude has increased, and the con is 5-10 degrees off position from last display.

Micro warp. incessant. annoying. really pissin me off.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

Seems to happen when the servers/HTC are well populated.. certainly predominant when more than 100 flyers are in the MA.. which is every night now.

Fighters are becoming virtually unflyable.

ARRRRRRRGH!! I finally get a energy model on the FM that I really; really like.. and micro warps make it a less than satisfying session. (i'm being kind here)

Hang
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: hitech on September 18, 2000, 01:34:00 PM
Akdejavu, do you perchance have zbuffering enabled? if so turn it off, i.e. uncheck it.

HiTech

Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: AKDejaVu on September 18, 2000, 01:55:00 PM
No HT.. I don't.

Nothing has changed with my configuration since 1.04 came out.  NOTHING.

Now, planes disappear.

AKDejaVu
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Maverick on September 18, 2000, 04:54:00 PM
HT,

Add me to te list of micro warps too please. Before 1.04 I never had warps other than some players with really bad connections. Now as soon as I close on a plane under d.4 it starts jerking around and changing headings. Noticwe it doesn't fly away I just see the thing starting to rotate as if it were spining in place THEN it warps away a bit. This is NOT the normal aircraft spin. It is rotating as if you were looking from above and the plane was on a phonograph turntable. Occasionally it will rotate along its axis like a roll manuever but the spining and jerking are new since the last version.

I have a P3 500MHZ, 128 Megs RAM, Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 16megs video at max resolution (not 800 x 600) and a DSL connection. The connection was modified for small packets at the advice of a friend. I can't tell yet if it has made a difference.

Mav

[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 09-18-2000).]
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on September 18, 2000, 05:32:00 PM
I don't know what it is could be my framerate too  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
wasting alot off ammo
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Torque on September 18, 2000, 10:30:00 PM
Deja does it happen when icon  redraw as AC flys by canopy?

I'v seen that and sometime they just disappear, but i'm low end so figured it was a fps hit.
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: AKDejaVu on September 18, 2000, 11:27:00 PM
Torque, It usually happens when the plane goes from my gunsight area to below my nose cowling then back into the sight area.  The plane does not re-draw the instant it is back in the gunsight.. but a moment later.  Thus.. a micro warp.

It definately seems to coincide with the disappearing Icon.

AKDejaVu
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: gatt on September 19, 2000, 01:22:00 AM
It usaully happens when icons reappears after disappearing behind cockpit frame. Or under 200yds. My connx looks very well and my system has enuff horsepower to run everything (PIII-800 and GeForce2 GTS). Yesterday I flew a Spitfire to defend a base and it was VERY difficult to aim at enemies at 200yds and less .... a lot of stops and go's ...
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: funked on September 19, 2000, 01:25:00 AM
My problems appear to be framerate related.  If there are a lot of bandits or explosions or smoke I can not stay on him.  I need an upgrade I guess. P2@400 V770 Ultra

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-19-2000).]
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Hangtime on September 19, 2000, 01:31:00 AM
Same here funked.

466 128meg; Viper770/32meg...

Damn.

Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: Brazos on September 19, 2000, 03:56:00 PM
Me too Dale,

Unplayable since 1.04. I see nme dots, a 6con, then a 3con, and they are by me. Not FR, but updates. In a tail chase, I can't get a shot 'cause any movement causes 'em to vanish for a sec. I don't think I have ever seen a 4 or 5 con. It just goes from 6 to 3 in the forward HO view. Very wierd, good luck on it.

Pent II 450, 128ram, voodoo 5 5500, DSL.

Cya up...Braz
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: NUTTZ on September 19, 2000, 04:46:00 PM
I'm noticing a dot warp, first it kinda (pops) moves like the way it POPPED at the old icon range, when the icon above the plane would come into view, This is the first "pop", second is WHEN the icon does come into view. The micro warps ( as yeager posted in another thread) when tracking under .5k studder steps to the point of the word i would use is " annoying", But the major 2-4k warping makes AH unplayable. I've set my MTU packet size to Auto,large,med,and small the size deosn't seem to help ( actually large seamed to have less warpage. I'm using a DSL connection. I film all my flights now, anyone that would like to see what i have to do to get kills, post... and i will send. You will all agree, i should fill the number 1 spot on the score board, just for the " agg" factor.
NUTTZ
Title: Comments on Micro-Warps
Post by: NUTTZ on September 19, 2000, 04:52:00 PM
Hey HT crew, I'm not a programmer but i do see a 'POP" of the dot,i would believe to be the "old" icon range, Could the FE be picking up both ranges, and adding to the stress on the amount of info being updated to the client? Just a thought!
I know,,, I know,,, stop thinking.


NUTTZ