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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Revvin on August 02, 2003, 06:07:23 AM
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Targetware has released it's sim into open BETA, you can download it at their web-site (http://web.targetrabaul.com/). The sim comes in three sections, the main executable package which contains the main code and then the mod files for each sim made from the Targetware engine such as Target Rabaul and Target Korea. At the moment the mod files are not available for direct download but once you install the main 5.81mb package you can run Targetware and then download the mods from within the program. You can find the Windows package
here (http://web.targetrabaul.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=7)
You will also need to set up a free account here (https://accounts.targetware.net/ams/login) to log on and play.
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Checking it out now.
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Downloading it now.
Anyone want to hook up there tonight and check it out?
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downloading now
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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same:)
why mods can be download only by TR client?
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Well, I dunno about you guys, but Im heading to Korea first...I have been wanting to try those jets forever...
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TY revvin
Been watching this one for a while now.
Rabault & and a H8k2 Emily for me thank you very MUCH!
Will make a 8 year dream come true.
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Meta server not connecting when I try to d/load anyone else having a prob? Korea AND Flanders Oh YESSSS!!!!
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Got it working after going in and changing my pw if anyone has the same prob.
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Hm, does anyone know how much of a resource hog this one is?
AMD 1800+
512 RAM
GF2
What kind of settings should I use?
I have been trying to start the first mission in Korea but it always ends with me having a glorious computer freeze when I click "start flight"
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I have played closed BETA builds that were a hell of a lot less optimised than this version on an AMD 1.2GHz with 512mb memory and a GeForce3 64MB card. Try running at 800x600 at 32bit. Run the 'TW_Config' file in the Targetware directory and change some of the settings there.
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Hortlung, also make sure you are running the latest version of your drivers. I found that TW was pretty sensitive to me having the latest greatest drivers for my videocard.
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Woohoo! I'm in. Emily, here I come! :)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Got it working after going in and changing my pw if anyone has the same prob.
Ok will try that... knew the answer would be over here ;)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Got it working after going in and changing my pw if anyone has the same prob.
I did that to and it still won't let me dl.
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NM....got it going.
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Initial impressions after only 30 mins of flight time:
1. Graphics appear to be 640x480x256 colors
2. Gamma is very dark
3. Calibration of devices seems to be easy enough. Although the F4F Wildcat I'm flying drives like a brick. Not sure if my Cougar is calibrated correctly or not. Just seems "off" right now.
4. Communications via the text buffer work and is easy to use.
5. After connecting to fly online, I tried to choose to fly for the IJN, but that request was declined(by the host?), but it let me fly for the US. Interesting way to keep the numbers even, I guess.
6. I could open and close the canopy on my Wildcat, that was neat. :)
All-in-all, it's hard to give this sim a fair test with the graphics at the level they are. Unless I missed the menu to enable higher graphics res, it's too hard to read the instruments of see much of anything with the gamma so dark and the res so low.
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Bax, i think you have to use the "TW Config. Utility" to get your display right...
C.
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What's that old expression? .... You can lead a horse to water, but..... :D
Targetware User's Guide (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/)[/url]
Quick Start Guide (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/tw_quickstart.html)[/url]
The Configuration Utility for the Targetware Engine (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/rumfig.html)[/url]
Although I haven't seen it in over 7 months, pretty nice docs for those that will take the time to read them. ;)
Congratulations to the entire Targetware development community....
Regards,
Badger
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Cabby's right (far-right? ;)), the config file will let you change the graphics settings. And I agree, the game is somewhat dark.
BTW, if you use the F3 key, you can get a head's up display of sorts. It'll help although I don't think they plan on leaving it in there permenently.
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Bax, i think you have to use the "TW Config. Utility" to get your display right...
C.
Ah, ok. Thanks Cabby, I'll try that. I seem to have missed all that nice TW documentation, too. I'll have to RTFM then come back with more comments. :)
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These might help a few of the newer virtual pilots... :D
Basic Engine Operations (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/tw_play_engine_basic.html)[/url]
Getting off the ground (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/tw_play_to.html)[/url]
Getting back on the ground (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/tw_play_landing.html)[/url]
Typical Pilot's Handbook (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/tw_ui_handbooks.html)[/url]
Understanding aircraft instruments (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/tw_play_instruments.html)[/url]
All found HERE (http://www.targetware.net/documentation/)[/url]
Regards,
Badger
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Graphics are very very nice!
1600x1200x32@85hz 4xAA 8xAF 3.0 Gamma = WOW! :)
That config.txt file is pretty darn nifty.
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How big is the Target Rabual mod?
MiniD
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*#!!*## :mad: :mad:
Spent AGES downloading that target rabul mod, right near the end (i had it minimised) i go to restore it and must have accidently clicked cancel and i have to start over again.
:mad:
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Does the Rabaul mod start in the air like the Korea one? Haven't tried Rabaul yet but so far not impressed after trying Korea.
ack-ack
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Heya Furb :)
klutz ;)
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Well, the graphics are nice, and the aircraft you can choose looks appealing.. (no spit if i'm forced to fly axis)
Downloadin
Targetware kinda a funky name for a ww2 MMOG flightysimmy
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DL it now, I'll post screenies later........... if it stays long enough on my hard drive. :)
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Bah. Screw it.
I justed wasted 2 1/2 hours trying to get my all CH USB Hotas(Pro Throttle-Pro Pedals-F-16 FighterStick)to work in TargetKorea. I tried using 3 separate controllers, tried combining them as one controller, even loaded my CH ControlMgr WBIII file to see if it would at least control the various axis.
As soon as i try to "fly" in a offline mission i get my view shoved into the cockpit floor, the engine won't respond, no pitch or roll control, and i have to Ctl Alt Delete outta the game 'cause I AM GOING TOO SLOW TO BAIL OUT.
I screwed-up my joystick txt and input. txt files(i failed to back them up like an idiot) trying to rename various controller assignments and axis outta frustration.
If someone can email me a CH CntrlMgr file and how i can restore my config and input files before i hit "Uninstall Targetware" i would appreciate it. I searched the TW Forums and couldn't find anything.
One other thing. I selected "Highest" Graphic Settings, used the TW Utility and ticked off all the compression and texture setting boxed and the game crashed. I de-selected some of the compression settings and the game would run but i hated the look of the game, particularly the flat-as-a-pool-table terrain.
ASUS A7N-8X Nforce 2 Mobo
AMD Barton 2800+
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
WinXP Pro
512 MB Corsair PC3500 RAM
DX9.0a
All latest drivers and runs every game i play from WBIII to RavenShield to NR2003 at the HIGHEST settings flawlessly.
P.S.
Configuring gamecontrollers with the "CH ContolMgr" and for FlightSims in general is a royal pain in the ass.....
Cabby
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Very cool! Downloading now but won't get up til tomorrow. Congrats to the Targetware team!
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Cabby44,
Read what youve just typed outloud.
:(
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Checking it out! Congratulations to the Targetware team!
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I played for a couple of hours in the Rabaul game.
Impressions:
Graphics
Superb on the whole; a good balance between detail and runnability. The cockpit art is excellent - the instruments in particular are outstanding, not quite so clear zoomed out but crisp and sharp as you move in. Controls, such as throttle etc move as they are toggled.
The Beaufighter cockpit is a work of art.
I didn't like the heavy dots of distant aircraft - AH does this much better. Terrain is good, tracers are nice and cloud layers are well done.
Views are like AH which is great. Six view is partly restricted, but not to a ridiculous extent like in WW2OL, for instance
FM
Challenging compared to AH. Engine torque is heavy and trimming is manual. Without working rotary switches on my joystick it is a complete pain in the arse to trim the plane using the keyboard.
At low speed planes need to be handled with more care - take-offs can be tricky if you have a heavy hand. Soon adjusted to however.
Engine management is quite detailed - I liked it.
Planes seemed to sink into the ground when ditched. Possible bug?
Gunnery
Didn't seem that different from AH. The only time I managed to get a gun solution was against zeros in a P-40. I scored hits without any difficulty. Nice hit 'smoke' sprites.
Overall: excellent game and well worth checking out.
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need some help
I mapped "start" (to start eng) to a js key. Now my eng wont start. What combo of keys is needed to start your eng. I have rpm on a rotary and I know to be in fine pitch but I still get nothing.
Is there a way to "restore default" key settings or does anyone know whats up? :p
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Hmmm... Is the Target Korea mod available?
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still trying to download the POS. I have the korea mod and i dont like it too much.
just out of interest how long did it take all of you to download?
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I have the Korea mod installed, but I cant figure out how to get it to work. It took 30 mins to download that one earlier today. Im downloading Rabaul now, and that one has taken two hours and is still not done...Im suspecting they have a lot of traffic on the server right now...
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piss on jets :p
anyway found problem i remapped mixturre and was hitting wrong key see yas up ....
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Just downloaded the first thing, but where do i find the korea download?
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follow the instructions you download the mods from the targetware client. Takes a fuggin long time.
Stick set up is pretty clumsy as well. Like cabby I set up my ch stuff as 3 sep controllers.
All was well until I went to map. it took me 15 times per key. The dang thing wouldnt let me select a button. Only after clicking for 10 min will it select. Then since you cant map keys while in game it was in and out till I got umm set.
The graphics arent that great. The terrain is pretty poor. The cockpits beat ah just because they arent fantasy. The tracers suck. The black squares (dots) are terrible. I thought they were barrage balloons.
FM is simple enough but the need for trim is over done. Even il2 aint that bad. They went with the wwiiol deal where for the most part you have to go into "dash view" to see the guages. With the eng management system having to stick your head down into the cockpit and 3 inches off the dash to check your guages is too stupid to be fun. They have f3 (gives a block of text and numbers as a "hud") but it covers 1/3 rd of the screen.
The icons are rangeless but ugly as hell to.
This is just my early opinion and it may change but I doudt it.
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HAY GUYS IS IT BETTER THAN ACES HIGH
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Wotan, try Korea...the ground looks great from 15k
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Guys, chill a little. The different MODS are like 100 megs a piece, and everyone in the world is trying to download them. Have some patience.
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I think it has potential. The F3 settings could do with smartening up and what settings you have selected should be highlighted. The trim aspect is over the top, I agree.
But considering this is a part time project, it is excellent.
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Bahhh I guess I will have to come back to AH full time now. To many people playing Targetware mods....hehehehe :D
Its not a bad diversion from AH and will most likely be the next $10 I spend each month on a game. The wife will not like it but what the hell I just bought her a new vehicle.
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cool more incentive to get AH2 cracking!
boy everyone must be downloading.. taking days.
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Well, I must be one of the midless dweebs that just doesn't see the satisfaction in being limited when and how often you can fly. Yeah, I will continue to poke my head in there from time to time as the beta continues. However, unless there is something done to keep my interest, I have no plans to pay for it.
That being said, I am sure there are many who will enjoy this and to them I wish them good luck and hope they have some fun.
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Guys if you have gripes or preferences, it would be MUCH more productive, if you posted them on THEIR BBS rather than complaining here.
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i seem to get these lines that look lik ebar codes for text. cant get beyond 2 clicks of the main menue because i cant read barcode.
edit: fixed it, had to make the res lower
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Guys if you have gripes or preferences, it would be MUCH more productive, if you posted them on THEIR BBS rather than complaining here.
Uh, you think that maybe we are sharing our experiences with other people from AH so that they can make a decision about waiting for a long download? Also, who's to say that nobody in this thread hasn't posted on their boards?
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well im done with it. Cockpits were cool. Thats about it.
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Graphics are nice. Getting the same range of FPS in there as I do in AH. There are a quite a bit of bugs but I'm sure those will be worked out with the next revision. The one thing I did not like and it appears that it will not change are the air starts.
It is definitely not the AH killer some thought it was going to be but it is a fun little diversion for when AH gets a little boring.
ack-ack
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Bugger off with your completely untransparant attempts at hocking that bloatwar Hardcas___...
Oh!
wait.
...wrong game and messenger ;)
Off to download............ :)
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I like the beaufighter - everything about that plane is done well. The cockpit is very cool. Here's hoping it makes it to AH some day.
I'll keep my eye on this one, it looks good already. The scenario system is novel, but it starts to feel like a badly organised AH scenario after a while; like a snapshot gone awry. Having said that, I'm sure if they tighten it up a little, iron out the bugs in the scenarios, the dynamic campaign thing will come into its own. The most fun part is when the scenario starts and everybody is in one wave heading for one target - it loses that feeling of unity very quickly though.
Did I say we need the Beaufighter in AH?
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Hmmm... I don't see Target Korea in the mods downloads... Pffft.
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I downloaded it this morning. They are currently squashing and bugs and re-releasing it later apparently.
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Bummer... I'm not the least bit interested in another WWII sim...
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yeah, bring the Beaufighter to AH!!! Do they have the Helldiver there as well?
If they do, somebody please download it, burn it on a CD and mail it to me :)
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no Helldiver :(
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How dare you solicit targetware's game for them, and you have commited the ultimate offense by linking to them.
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT OTHER FLIGHT SIMS! Or, at least I don't, but I'm going to blanket the whole forum with my opinion on what we should be exposed too.
I guess I'm afraid of letting people know that there are other games out there besides AH.
This post should be locked ASAP.
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Those grapes are sour, eh?
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
How dare you solicit targetware's game for them, and you have commited the ultimate offense by linking to them.
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT OTHER FLIGHT SIMS! Or, at least I don't, but I'm going to blanket the whole forum with my opinion on what we should be exposed too.
I guess I'm afraid of letting people know that there are other games out there besides AH.
This post should be locked ASAP.
So who's the targetware fanboy without an AH account that is spamming us?
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Why rise to his bait and turn this into a flame fest? he wants that so Skuzzy is eventually forced into locking it just as he did with the WW2OL thread.
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
How dare you solicit targetware's game for them, and you have commited the ultimate offense by linking to them.
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT OTHER FLIGHT SIMS! Or, at least I don't, but I'm going to blanket the whole forum with my opinion on what we should be exposed too.
I guess I'm afraid of letting people know that there are other games out there besides AH.
This post should be locked ASAP.
hey Zero
First, how you dare!!! We are so open minde to TRY before we judge other products. Are you whining cuz not like our opinions?
Grove up !!
Its our opinions and i hope you agree we have right for that!!!.
Point is, here peoples try many diferent sims and compare them to AH. What do you expect? we will compare ww2ol to FA?
Here is bunch of huys who know what they talked about and try game simulations since years, som real pilots and air crews.
I must be blinde to call ww2ol air fight simulation game. Its not even "art style" of game, but lack of knowlage.
If i came for 1 day to ww2ol and as newbie see MANY bugs, what should i say? they still working to improve it? I will not pay $ for unfinished product. Of course i see som nice small interesting things but main things are bugged.
So be so kinde and go away from this BB, and stop trolling good thread.
@Skuzzy pls not lock this thread
ramzey
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Folks,..no need to concern yourselves about locked threads.
It is quite alright to discuss other games in the O'Club. However, if the thread ends up attacking our community or members of our community, We will close it, among other things.
We have zero tolerance for abusive posters, as you know.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Guys if you have gripes or preferences, it would be MUCH more productive, if you posted them on THEIR BBS rather than complaining here.
Verm, buddy, have a smoke.. mo bettah to whine in our house eh. Just for the time being I feel safer.
1).. ground launch.. I did everything it said in the help section.. dropped two notches of flaps.. OK.. put RPMs to full.. check.. looked around to make sure airlons and rudder worked.. check. Released break, check. Hit "E" for eng... nojoy.. hmmm.. that shouldda worked.. shouldda cranked.
2) Alright we'll try an airstart.. engine should work this time.. that's all fine, it flys pretty much like Aces, (testimont to Dales' FM) but now I want to trim my wildcat for level flight, hit "I" for trim down... nadda nojoy.
3) OK so I can't trim the plane and am holding the stick forward I use my left hand to reach for the mouse to look down.. I need to be able to see usefull things like airspeed indicator, altimeter, etc.. very blury. (the Japanese plane I couldn't even find these items)
4)I see a small landing strip coming up. I drop flaps (that works fine) cut man.. and prepare for landing... hit "g" for gear.. again.. somethings up w/ the keyboard controls.. appearently only flaps work.. I heard no sound of gear dropping..
crash and burn.
5) Ya know.. if WildBill is suit crazy.. Dale could be too.. the black out and red out model is a full on rip off of Ace's high.
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I'm in Sandmans box...just want the Target Korea aspect. Available yet or not?
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yeah it is, i downloaded it earlier.
Don't get your hopes up.
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Originally posted by Furball
yeah it is, i downloaded it earlier.
Don't get your hopes up.
If you'd been around in AH Beta, V.34, the same thing was said bout it. :)
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Much has to happen before it's ready for Pay2Play. IMHO of course, YMMV :)
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Originally posted by Staga
Much has to happen before it's ready for Pay2Play. IMHO of course, YMMV :)
Yep, folks need to realize thats its "OPEN BETA"
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Korea planeset is quite less polished than Rabaul. Less aircraft and none of them really complete.
The good thing is that with the open format ppl can get their stuff easily into the game, and there are lots of talented ppl around.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Bummer... I'm not the least bit interested in another WWII sim...
The Target Flanders mod, set in WW1, is supposed to be out soon. And I think Verm is on a team working on a Vietnam mod.
ack-ack
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Yeah, the Target Korea mod isn't as complete as Rabaul. But hey, it's free.
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They have taken Target Korea out of the d/l section to fix some bugs so I was playing TR today. It's early days yet and I think a lot of people don't relaize the game isn't finished yet. Tracer effects and icons are place holder apparently.
I like the FM, the aircraft feel good and no overdone roll inertia like WB. Some a/c seem particlulary difficult to trim (the Zero for one). Taking off and landing a Wau in new Guinea is a real challeng in a Beaufighter.
Tip to all: use the config util to create an intrument view and map this to a button on your stick: makes life a lot easier. Also for each a/c check the pilot notes : once in the plane this is ESC to get menu then Briefing then Aircraft on the bottom of the briefing screen: this shows the operating paramters for the a/c and gives you a guide to the cockpit (i.e. what intruments are what).
I am not impressed by the graphics performance. On my machine I can run il2 FB at 1280x1024, 32 bit, 2xAA with almost all the eye-candy on high detail and get 40-50fps going down to 30fps over towns and low down. In TR have to turn all the options down and turn off AA to get 30fps which will drop to 20 near the ground if there are a few objects about. Having said that the artwork is nice. The terrain is very il2Fb but with more hills.
Some scenarios don't work too well with only 15 people on: I played in one that had three seperate locations and the end result was very few fights. I'm not sure I'll want the whole scenario based thing all the time but if it can be polished up it will make an interesting change.
I had some great fights tonight, really challenging stuff.
Also most of the players are old AH/WB/AW hands so there isn't much arsing around.
Overall looks very promising.
Looking forward to trying TK.
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Cool effort.
Bottom line.
What does it offer a AH player?
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except realistic cockpits and manual engine/fuel managment, i can say nothing
Creamo change avatar now. PLS
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Geezzz... I didn't even get on the page..... (http://twcombatlog.net/)[/url] :D
I guess I need practice.......... :D
BTW, great job on the site "Vespa"....
Regards,
Badger
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Creamo, you need to pick another avatar.
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Sure. Just no career advise.
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Maybe it would be better for those who don't have the time or inclination to bug hunt to just forget about open beta, and wait for the game when it goes into paid production.
Since I test beta software for a living, I enjoy finding bugs. The more you find, the better the product will eventually be. That's the way I look at it.
This is a beta, afterall. If you really want to see a good Korean sim, then it would behoove you to fly the TK beta and bug hunt like your life depended on it. Ditto for TR.
Myself, I'm going to be gung ho in helping out the Target Flanders and Target Rabaul developers, because that's where my interests lie.
It takes a whole community to make a good flight sim. The developers need the customers to act as beta testers and bug hunters because they don't have the resources to have in-house testers. This is especially true of the Targetware team. Some of you have already given up on Targetware, after spending a few hours. I know it's frustrating when you can't get your HOTAS to work so that you can even fly the game. If you really want to help you'd go to the TW site and make a bug report.
I guess my whole point is....don't make a final judgement on a sim based on a beta. A lot of work still needs to be done on TR, and they know that. The development team is hoping that a lot of us will test the heck out of this beta and help them quash the bugs.
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As I said, the game has enormous potential for the DIY simmers, all those people making models for the MS sims, for EAW, for IL2, can get their great stuff easily into TW. Those map and scenario designers can get their stuff done too. Furball only arenas, strat servers, historical scenarios, what if scenarios...
Target Spanish Civil War, Target Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe... mmm
I fail to picture the bussiness model working though, because I don't know if all this hobbyist goodness is going to/must happen before or after their are able to start getting their 12.95$/mo or whatever they intend to charge.
As it is now, the technical base of the beta seems good, graphics are on par, FM is on par, netcode works. Of course is not as mindboggling now after years of AH or WB or AW.
I think that if the three starting projects are fleshed out in a few months and they hook up some of the good texturing and modelling aficionados, they are into bussiness.
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Rejected by the meta server every time.. :(
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Try putting your account info in the 'network' tab of the TW_config.exe thing MT.
My 1st impressions: Its unfinished but the potential is there. The models are very nice, the terrain is a bit bland but nothing a decent artist couldn't fix. I dislike the heavy emphasis on trim. It's waaay overplayed in importance and the FM is suffering because of it.
Gatso
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Originally posted by takeda
As I said, the game has enormous potential for the DIY simmers, all those people making models for the MS sims, for EAW, for IL2, can get their great stuff easily into TW. Those map and scenario designers can get their stuff done too. Furball only arenas, strat servers, historical scenarios, what if scenarios...
I was wondering about this... do the creators of the aircraft on the rights to what they have made after its inserted into the game?
MiniD
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I'd reckon that components of unofficial player mods would remain property of their creators, but when lawyers enter the fray with their sneaky ways, who could tell...
On other news... lots of familiar faces all around the Pacific :)
That guy in the back is Frenchy... no p-47 for him, though, and those f4f beercans really suck :D
(http://cts.usal.es/~axis/f4f.jpg)
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Yah... its easy when there is a fixed entity that gets all the rights to your work.. but that seems to be a bit more cloudy with the TW stuff.
I wonder if someone could remove their work from the game or sue to have it removed just because they had a falling out with TW for some reason.
Anyways, these as well as the pay to play issues are still some items that I'm waiting see play themelves out. I'm very curious as to the exact direction they'll take.
MiniD
P.S. Hardcase, read this thread and see the difference between a community chosing to look at a new game and a member of a different community trying to come here and cram a 2 year old game down our throats. I doubt you'll understand what I'm talking about.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Rejected by the meta server every time.. :(
Gatso gave one tip and here's another:
Open your Config.txt and look for text [Network] in the bottom.
Write your name and password in that file, save it and log on.
[Network]
Name = Staga
Password = YeAhSuRe
btw look at Config.txt and input.txt closer when you have time; lots of things for finetuning in there.
For me the TW_Config.exe doesn't work too well so I modify those files with notepad.
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Since they intend to charge just for the use of the software, the game "metaserver", and the official mods and they don't really have to even touch or see the stuff some individual is placing into a mod, I doubt the problem you mention could occur, that would be akin to one of the guys doing skins and terrains for AH suing HTC to remove them or someone going after MS after making yet another 747 paint job for FS2002.
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I don't know... depends on how its structured. With AH you agree that everything is the property of AH and you basically forfeit all rights to it. With MSFS, its not pay to play so the point is kinda mute.
Really... this is a new area for this type of game. Community projects take on a whole new form once the cash starts rolling in.
MiniD
I did not see that they only intend to charge for the metaserver... it was my impression that individual mods could also charge a fee.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Rejected by the meta server every time.. :(
in main menu u have settings where is stick configuration, same place u must input pas and login every time when u run TR
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I bet this game will be real big with the luftwhiner crowd.
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i really need a new graphics card for my laptop....is it possible to have an exterior video card? i get 10-7 fps....im not happy with it, but atleast it works. so dont be squeakin about 20 fps, unless you spent a whole lotta money....nevermind, squeak on.
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Beaufighter shooting with full ord.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_71_1059931303.jpg)
beautiful cockpit detail (all controls move)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_71_1059931348.jpg)
Cockpit rear view (AI gunner)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_71_1059931405.jpg)
Firing ord
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_71_1059931445.jpg)
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10Bears :)
My point was that its quite useless to make statements like "I hate airstarts... I'll never play it again", but never state your preferences to the developers. This goes for any game :) No feedback from the players = no improvements. It would be like AH2 coming out, and making statements like the above statement on the WB3 BBS. If Hitech and Pyro dont' hear your feedback, they can't make it any better.
For me Targetware is about being able to make your own Mods, and about the jets. I highly respect the hard work the Target Rabaul guys have done, but the theater and the side mismatches just aren't for me. Not to say I won't play it here and there though :)
As was stated, I'm working on a Vietnam era mod, called Target Hanoi, "Going Downtown". Lately, I have as much fun creating as I do flying. :)
For me its about the bigger possibilities of air combat outside of WWII. Korea, Arab-Israeli conflicts, Vietnam. The Spanish Civil war, Target Flanders, or even a fantasy WWII 1946-1947.
In other words, its not about replacing Aces High, definitely not. Its about adding another dish, with a different spice, to the menu of online air combat.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Cool effort.
Bottom line.
What does it offer a AH player?
Nothing that won't be in AH2.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Vermillion
In other words, its not about replacing Aces High, definitely not. Its about adding another dish, with a different spice, to the menu of online air combat.
And that's the reason why I will probably end up sticking with the game. I consider it a nice side dish to the main course.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And that's the reason why I will probably end up sticking with the game. I consider it a nice side dish to the main course.
Ack-Ack
Exactly what I think, too.
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...this sounds like communism.
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I wonder why this thread is not locked... over 100 post and no lock...
If you like mention WWIIO you dont have the time to type the L on the end before the lock comes...
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Originally posted by Vermillion
10Bears :)
In other words, its not about replacing Aces High, definitely not. Its about adding another dish, with a different spice, to the menu of online air combat.
It's cool that your making new stuff, but my gad, lumping in this freeware with AH like it's an alternative "dish" is a HUGE stretch.
Your personal efforts for the game surely skew your take on the big picture, but lemme tell ya. This aint no AH, it aint no dish, it aint no appetizer either. Its a freeware sim that is way behind "classic" AH, just before the most popular online WWII sim busts out with a new graphics and new game model, ala AH2.
And I don't care if AH fails, I wanted it too for years, because that would mean something great came about.
AH is safe.
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Runs like **** on my 1Ghz ancient puter.
Hm. New puter or a new FF rig?
Looks like I'll be sticking with this old trusted puter for another couple of years.
Had hoped it'd be a bit less processor-intensive, but that might change as it gets optimized.
Really good for an open beta IMHO.
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You guys should ALL go fly the beta for a couple of weeks. If for no other reason than to remind you of how good we have it now in AH.
Beta's are by definition rough around the edges, unfinished, full of little inconstistancys & bugs.
Deal with it!
It takes at minimum a couple of hours of stick tweaking, help file reading, testing, repeat, repeat to even get close to it being really flyable.
Plus we have a couple of absolute first.
A player designed, run, sim where ordinary people can design, host & play in a scenario.
Totally configurable to the average guy
who is willing to take the time to learn how.
That gives guys like you & me the ability to run a full blown scenario with realistic
settings.
This is a good thing for ALL flight simmers.
By the same token I've never appreciated AH so much for what it offers us now. We are truly blessed
and for pete's sake don't drop your AH subscription for TR yet.
Target Rabaul Dev team
HTC
(Steps off soapbox)
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Nothing that won't be in AH2.
I wasn't aware that AH2, when released, will include the Emily, Betty, Shoki and Beaufighter.
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Update:
Screwed around with my graphics config and got it to run much better e.g. 2xAA and detail textures at 1280x 1024. Also found out that if an a/c did not have a trim axis in real life (such as it is) then they don't have it in TR (e.g. a lot of Japanese fighters only had rudder trim). Taking in time to calibrate and scale the stick does a lot for you here: otherwise youy end up having to putting on full stick deflation just to stay straight). Still not sure if this adds anything to the game.
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Well said on all counts Ghosth.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Beta's are by definition rough around the edges, unfinished, full of little inconstistancys & bugs.
Deal with it!
It takes at minimum a couple of hours of stick tweaking, help file reading, testing, repeat, repeat to even get close to it being really flyable.
Sounds like Brand-W during my last 6 months there...
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OK
Got through on Meta server, DL'd Rabual. Now it gives me an error message every time it tries to load the terrain.
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Try rebooting MT. Same thing happened to me.
MiniD
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Its not terribly bad...I have a few issues with the game so far but it seems to work fairly well.
The map thing is a bit odd...you aren't shown precisely where you are...so finding the fight, and yourself, is a fairly decent challenge
Also, for some reason, my throttle is stuck wide open...wont respnd to my throttle controller (X45) or the keyboard commands. I'll have to mess with it some more
Cloud layers are nice looking tho
No autopilot really shows me how poor my X45 is doing...its a lot of work to stay level...sigh...damn stick.
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just trim airplane:)
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Too much of an up hill battle so far. I've been through beta's before and enjoy helping out but..... I'm willing to wait it out for T:K. My initial impressions are essentially the same as the man who posted about curiosity (same guy that also thought AW was the cats meow!) If HE thinks T:K suxxors then that really says bad things for T:R. ;)
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Originally posted by Maniac
I wonder why this thread is not locked... over 100 post and no lock...
If you like mention WWIIO you dont have the time to type the L on the end before the lock comes...
My guess is that it was posted by someone that plays AH, nobody is really flaming anyone, it is not ripping on AH, and it doesn't read like a commercial for Targetware.
Then again, I could be wrong.
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Well, the problem is that when someone posts anything about ww2ol, he is immideately ambushed and flamed by several of our patrolling fanbois. So a post about ww2ol automatically leads to flaming, and it is never the ww2ol guys who start it.
Something to think about...
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, the problem is that when someone posts anything about ww2ol, he is immideately ambushed and flamed by several of our patrolling fanbois. So a post about ww2ol automatically leads to flaming, and it is never the ww2ol guys who start it.
Something to think about...
you a litle miss with true, but noone perfect;)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92830
be so kinde and stop hijack this thread
thank you much
ramzey
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Originally posted by ramzey
you a litle miss with true, but noone perfect;)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92830
Id say its pretty damn obvious that Diablo and JB73 and Rutilant and chaos68 were the ones who started flaming in that thread... all AH players...
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, the problem is that when someone posts anything about ww2ol, he is immideately ambushed and flamed by several of our patrolling fanbois. So a post about ww2ol automatically leads to flaming, and it is never the ww2ol guys who start it.
Something to think about...
Something to think about is that the reaction varies on who and how the presenting is done. Someone coming in and selling their wares vs a member of the community talking about another game. I don't really expect you to get it either Hortlund. I also don't expect you to understand the reaction to a game that many people here had a VERY bad experience with vs one that nobody has any experience with.
MiniD
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The reaction many AH players have given to WWIIO topics in the AH forumns have been a direct result of revisionist, product shilling posts made over the last couple of years by Hardcase/Zeroace and to a lesser extent Fishu. That's in addition to the distaste for CRS/WWIIO by those who got burned by the intitial sell and thier crap all along the way since.
Of course people should be able to post thier thoughts and opinions over on the WWIIO boards but they can't unless they spend the $$$ for an account to do so.
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Don't let yourself get dragged off topic, people know why a number of players have bad feelings for WW2OL and rightly or wrongly they expressed those views, this topic was suppossed to be about Targetware's sim unless of course you'd like Hardcase to get his way and have this thread locked too?
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Sorry, you're right.
One great positive for Targetware is that noone had to pay $40.00 to beta test the game. ;)
Going forward I'll take Verm's advice (and others) and post about T:K/T:R on thier web boards.
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Probably a good idea if we all took this across to Targetware's boards, Skuzzy has had the good grace to allow this thread to continue despite it's content, letting others know that it had gone into open BETA is one thing but continued discussion is perhaps bad form.
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Dunno Revvin... its odd that the only real issues in this thread revolved around people saying "why don't you guys go off on TW the same way you do WWIIOL". Seems they should be taking it elsewhere.
TW deserves to be discussed here as much as anything. The only thing to remember is that no game corrections/solutions will occur as a result of what is discussed here... suggestions really need to be made at TW if you want to actually be heard.
Evaluations and personal oppinions belong here just as much as there (personal oppinions should probably be kept here AND taken with a grain of salt).
MiniD
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, the problem is that when someone posts anything about ww2ol, he is immideately ambushed and flamed by several of our patrolling fanbois. So a post about ww2ol automatically leads to flaming, and it is never the ww2ol guys who start it.
Something to think about...
Given I could be classified as one of the 'patrolling fanbois' I would like to point out currently I spend more time in WW2OL than AH. I don't like seeing misleading info posted here is all. I know nothing of TR so would why I jump in and ambush it?
So is it a case of an AH Fanbois ambusing the WW2OL guys? Or a case of a WW2OL guy correcting a WW2OL fanbois?
Something to think about?
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Or it could just be a simple circle-jerk.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Or it could just be a simple circle-jerk.
Awww you feeling left out?
(hands Gadfly the biscuit)
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Originally posted by Vulcan
So is it a case of an AH Fanbois ambusing the WW2OL guys? Or a case of a WW2OL guy correcting a WW2OL fanbois?
I'd say it depends on the tone of the post. To be perfectly honest I have never though of you as one of the patrolling fanbois. I have that epithet reserved to those who dive into a thread spewing flames and going for the jugular while screaming for skuzzy to ban the ww2ol guy or lock the thread...
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great, just great
two ww2ol players hijacking Target Rabul on AH BB to lock this topic ;)
ramzey
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Dunno Revvin... its odd that the only real issues in this thread revolved around people saying "why don't you guys go off on TW the same way you do WWIIOL". Seems they should be taking it elsewhere.
Its funny how some people choose to interpret things... The only thing we were saying is that Skuzzy is to trigger happy on the Lock button regarding WWIIOL...
If its because HTC are truly scaaared for WWIIOL competition then just say so and i will understand....
Regards.
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Its not the AH crowd that starts up the WWIIOL threads... its the WWIIOL crowd.
It really is that simple. But, like I said before, I really don't expect you to get it.
MiniD
P.S. "scared of the competition"... That's quite ironic. What company is it that has the locked bbs again?
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Another major difference that some may want to notice... how many Targetware players do you see in this thread insisting there aren't any problems? Insisting that if your having problems setting up your joystick than its just your own lack of computer knowledge? Insisting that bugs are really just an effect of you not having enough memory or a fast enough system?
MiniD
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What an dick...
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"(hands Gadfly the biscuit)"
Easy! There's nothing worse than a fat pivot boy.
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if it dowloaded easy and all the controls were exactly the same as AH I would try it.
lazs
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I won't play any game until Revvin spends all the time and effort to make a COugar profile for it...so I can "Borrow" said profile.
I'll give it a D/L tonight, and try it out.
Any chance of having that profile done by 8pm EST, Rev??:D
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Originally posted by Maniac
What an dick...
I know how tiring it must be to hear the same old thing over and over maniac. Maybe you (and quite a few others) should try a different aproach?
MiniD
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Originally posted by lazs2
if it dowloaded easy and all the controls were exactly the same as AH I would try it.
lazs
Yeah, I tried it, push the stick forward = nose down etc...
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Muck> I have some profiles but been a little lazy in getting the overlay's done and doing some final tweaking. Will try and sort it out soon.
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Define Lazy....Muck!
C'mon Rev, get the lead out. I can't wait all week to hijack your profile. If you don't make with the production, I'm going to be forced to find someone else to rip off!:D
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Ugh, just did some dinking around in TK. My first reaction was "This is what happens when someone "thinks" they can be HTC and start a sim from scratch.
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Surely you know the story and impetus behind TW, Rip?
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Not sure I do...but, when I go into these things, I always give the benefit of the doubt to the developer. Disappointment is a word that fits best. I don't have an agenda, just been doing flight sims since 1984...this "ain't it"...yet....
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Basically, as I understand it, Data was offered to a developer to correct an ingame FM. The answer was, in brief, "If you don't like it, go make your own damned flight sim". He did, and so far as I can tell, though it may not be a current eye-candy game, the FM does not seem to be lacking. Along the way, the volunteers managed to create what they were looking for, wether or not the masses like it remains to be seen.
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Strange, my computer locked up while posting, but it appeared as a reply, anyway.
At any rate, the developers of TW have done something that 99.9999 percent of the whiners of any game will never do. He (they) built a game from scratch. Just a thought to keep in mind...
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Well, I'll give it a positive note....it has room to grow!
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And several of the former whiners from various flights sims are going to do something very few others do: See what its like to listen to whiners from the other side.
MiniD
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Originally posted by WestyAH
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My initial impressions are essentially the same as the man who posted about curiosity (same guy that also thought AW was the cats meow!) If HE thinks T:K suxxors then that really says bad things for T:R. ;)
You're a little off-base regarding my stance on AW - it wasn't the software I used to tout, it was the community and its culture. At the time we were going round about that, I felt that community had more to offer....note, "at the time". I'll stipulate that the AH software was then better, and of course has progressed favorably since then. Further, I am extremely happy with the current state of the AH community. I still think it hasn't developed to the same level of excellence that AW had at its peak, but IMO it only needs more time to do so. Its definitely moving in the right directions.
As for T:K, its really disappointing for me to have to pan it. I love jets. F86 was my favorite ride of all in AW. I hope they get it worked out.
culero (would rather see HTC do some Korea and Viet Nam era jets)
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If one goes to a flight sim looking for a comfy feeling in the community, then...you're lonely...
I'd suggest calling 1-900-callafatdrunkbastard...Mini sounds pretty good for a computer geek.
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They will hear the whining, and personally the game is not for me, but that does not mean I will not give them kudos for doing what they have done.
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Gotta agree with that gadfly. Some of the things are very well done and those doing the work deserve to be commended for their effort.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ugh, just did some dinking around in TK. My first reaction was "This is what happens when someone "thinks" they can be HTC and start a sim from scratch.
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Hehe, a quote comes to mind; "None are so blind as those that WILL not see" ;)
I'm sure you are comfortable in your box Rip, but theres much more to be seen & experienced out of it. Were actually having a little giggle at these type of comments over at TR.
We do however welcome all & sundry to give TR a go. You will find assistance if needed, & it will be ;), as TR is a very challenging sim indeed & below the Open Beta surface lies a whole world of sim features that in my opinion, are far better than any other currently available.
Now this is not a put down for AH, HTC must be doing something right to attract the numbers they have & I certainly doff my hat to the AH crew.
The vibe at TR is great, kinda like the early WB days. Many people, like Rip, have a go for 5 minutes & declare it too hard/unplayable/difficult FM etc etc. They then receive some advice by our dev Team & beta testers, telling to look deeper into the sim. Its wonderful to witness the gradual understanding dawning for these people. Like the veil is lifted :)
Anyways Rip, i'm putting my services forward to you to assist you in any fashion with TR. You only have to ask mate !!
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I don't know.. feels kind of like CFS2, but I feel optimistic about it. In any case, more realism is always welcome for me - all the tedious switches and stuff would mean it more time invested to learn proper control of them, and in that case, I think we could say we really "learn the plane".
Learning different procedures was a fun task in CFS2(probably the only fun part, in my opinion), and it is no doubt that if you like that kind of tedious, fun, small immersion factors.. you'd soon come to like Rabaul.
The FM does feel a bit funky - in my case, the rudder input was pretty wild. Also, as Batz points out, the consequences of badly trimmed surfaces is downright outrageous. I actually had very much trouble trying to throw the stick forward to keep level flight, since probably like everyone else, I also confused the "up" and "down" elevator trim. I tried to compare the F4U-1 of AH and TR, but quickly gave up, because I couldn't figure out how to manage the F4U-1 properly. Trying different mixture, blower, boost settings and stuff..(anyone got a Hog pilot's manual?? Sheesh!)
However, considering it is a game made of 'loose' structuring in development, I think it has potential. Terrains and effects can always be upgraded. The FM can be cleaned out a bit, and the settings can be finalized and tidily.
For an "open Beta", it isn't really that impressive.. maybe "open Alpha" would be more appropriate, but as I said, again, I think it's got potential.
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I especially like the engine management and stuff.
I think the future tasks for game programmers of all titles, WB, AH, TargetW, WW2OL etc etc.. would be to figure out a good idea to implement easy access to realistic factors, without making it too gamey.
Compared to the procedures in TR or CFS, even FB engine management is a joke. But since we don't have any of realistic feedback the pilots would feel when they push, pull, trigger switches and levers.. the vibration of the plane... different sound pitch and etc.. obviously the "look down the dashboard" is not gonna work. However, putting in generic instruments like AH is effective, but takes out a lot in immersion.
I guess we'll just have to wait for new innovative methods of depicting realistic management, without having to "Zoom in.... move mouse...stare at instrument....try to make out what the black/white smudge is pointing at...." process. ;)
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Many people, like Rip, have a go for 5 minutes & declare it too hard/unplayable/difficult FM etc etc. They then receive some advice by our dev Team & beta testers, telling to look deeper into the sim. Its wonderful to witness the gradual understanding dawning for these people. Like the veil is lifted.
Well said, baders. This is exactly what is happening to me. At first glance, I thought that the controls setup was way too complicated and arcane. But then I actually sat down last night without my young son climbing all over me, in silence, and read Jedi's very instructive joystick setup tretise found here: http://web.targetrabaul.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=433
Anyway, walking through that, and using the clearly written setup documentation by targetware, I'm begining to be won over by the design of the TWconfig utility. I don't have my Cougar and CH Pro Pedals set up completely correctly yet(too much yaw), but I'm getting there.
I especially enjoy the fact that I can so easily map the RPM and pitch controls to my two rotary dials on the Cougar. Believe it or not, I have flown flight sims for over 13 years, and online sims since 1996, but I *still* don't know how to properly use the propeller pitch and RPM setting. But that's because I never *had* to learn. Now I do, and I'm enjoying the extra complexity of the engine management. I like that it's no longer "Start engine and then firewall it". Well done!
I do wish there was an "Auto trim" assist, though, as I was experiencing some massive "Cougar arm" as I tried to hold my Rufe steady as I attempted to trim her out. Got it mostly in trim, but haven't been able to fly "hands off" yet.
You'll laugh at this, but I think a good case can be argued that there should be some auto trim built into the game, if for no other reason than to allow us 30 seconds to run to the fridge to grab another beer. Or, on a more serious note, what about the bomber pilots who go on an hour-long mission. Surely they will not be expected to fly hands on that entire time?
That being said, the cockpits are wonderful, and I've had no problems taking off, once I really read the manual and set everything up correctly. I like the touch of having the canopy hood slaved to the gear.
Like everyone else, I'm still trying to get a handle on the FM, and what I think about it. But for right now, my only wish is for an auto-trim feature.
Big salute to you and the rest of Targetware. I think you've got a winner here. :)
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Take this with a grain of salt. I've played for 1 hour so far, and I realize the game is in beta.
My thoughts.
Downloaded in 7 mins. (cable)
Installed and ran without incident.
Smooth run..no lock-ups
Engine management looks good.
Start-up procedure is a fun change of pace
Crash damage, while interesting is still "gamey"
Cockpit gauges are unreadible from my vantage.
Terrain graphics are deplorable at this stage (may need to adjust settings)
Overall graphics were on par with current AH which is not good
FM seems alright. (Never flew a real P-40 so who knows)
External view on fighters, if in the online sim, will be too gamey
Throttle commands don't seem to work (Stick or keyboard)
Wheel brakes..only one wheel brakes, probably my fault.
Flight is challenging and interesting
Landings and take offs require real effort
No autopilot is a nice feature.
Bottom line, this is open beta, and can no compete with AH at this time. The game has potential, but I would venture to guess the final release is still quite some time off.
I will be watching this game, more for the Korea aspect than any other. It does not have enough, and probably wont have enough WWII planes to compete with AH.
on 1-10, 1 being Star Wars Galaxies and 10 being a game I would subscribe to, I would give this a 5-6 considering it's potential.
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Muck, I felt exactly the same way you do, until I dug a little deeper, and spent more time understanding how the controls are set up via the config utility. Did you do that yet?
I can vouch that the throttle does work. In fact, I haven't found any actual bugs with regard to joystick setup yet. Setting up my Cougar was actually just as easy to do in TR as it was in AH, except that the FM is different, so it's taking me a while longer to find a setup that feels good. And I even get to use my rotary keys on the Cougar for engine management!
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banana-
Believe it or not, I have no idea how to set up my stick. I bought it, "Borrowed" Revvin's AH profile, and never looked back.
I only tested it out for an hour, as game time is at a premium these days and was in a hurry to get shot down in AH.
I'll mess with it some more tonight.
How do you feel about the graphics, gauges, etc?
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Thanks for the link banana. Will print and try it out. I actually managed to "fly" a KI-45 last night. Into the ground it went much smoother than my previous test flights! ;) My throttle worked butmy stick did not. I could not find an ingame calibrator so a check of the Windows app showed it was way out of calibration. AH let's me calibrate the stick in-game so I'd forgotten all about calibrating my gear in windows.
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How do you feel about the graphics, gauges, etc?
Well, I've got the graphics maxed out, running at 1600x1200x32@85 hrz, 4x AA and 8x AF. With my system, I'm getting between low 20's fps when sitting on the ground at an airfield, to 85fps when flying with not much around.
I think the airplane graphics are on a par, or even better than what AH has now, and will soon be less than AH2's graphics, depending on how they turn out.
But the cockpits are fabulous! Much more detailed than AH's. However, having to look down to see the guages is disappointing. For playability reasons, I wish they would've went with an ahistorical guage setup.
I could not find an ingame calibrator so a check of the Windows app showed it was way out of calibration. AH let's me calibrate the stick in-game so I'd forgotten all about calibrating my gear in windows.
Westy, inside the game, on the main menu, go to the "Settings" tab, and then the "calibration" tab. Follow the instructions, and you'll be ready to roll!
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Still waiting on the download to finish. I expect it to have some bugs (open beta and all) I remember Aces high wasn't no bed of roses when it first came out in open beta either. Competition is good, will keep HTC on their toes and spur more development.
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Great questions guys, i'll attempt to answer what I can.
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Cockpit gauges are unreadible from my vantage.
Terrain graphics are deplorable at this stage (may need to adjust settings)
Overall graphics were on par with current AH which is not good
You definitely need to play with "video settings". I rate this game on par with WBIII atm with a far better terrain than that game. Look in the Targetware root folder to find the exe for the TW Config app.
2) Crash damage, while interesting is still "gamey"
Definitely because its beta. These things & far more in the pipeline.
3) External view on fighters, if in the online sim, will be too gamey
Same again :) External wont be there past Open Beta. (On the official server at least).
4) Throttle commands don't seem to work (Stick or keyboard)
Not quite sure about that one. Your throttle axis not working aty all ?? Again, use TW Config to assign axes etc & check what is assigned where.
5) Wheel brakes..only one wheel brakes, probably my fault.
At the moment, wheelbrakes operate as a toggle, either on or off. I imagine this too will be changed maybe to a system like WBIII. (Progressive braking via joystick).
6) No autopilot is a nice feature.
There will be a "wings level" type auto pilot sooner rather than later. For the reasons banana stated above.
7) However, having to look down to see the guages is disappointing. (banana)
You can actually make your own views within TW Config. The possibilities are endless. Maybe not as easy as AH view setups, but still functional.
Hope this helps to answer some questions guys
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What I want to know is when TR will have the most feared plane ever to fly in the Pacific, the P-38?
ack-ack
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Very, very soon :) Along with F6F & Ki61.
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No autopilot?
Aw man sod that. If I can't go outside for a smoke on climbout this means either I gotta quit smoking or the girlfriend has gotta go so I can smoke in the house again.
Nah, think I'll just stick with AH for a while longer.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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Aw man sod that. If I can't go outside for a smoke on climbout this means either I gotta quit smoking or the girlfriend has gotta go so I can smoke in the house again.
And its hard to roll one with one hand ;)
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But Swoop... AH doesn't have the F-86F, the MiG15, the F9F, etc. ;) I guess I'm just generally burned out with WWII ACM. Not getting rid of AH, just looking for a little more out there to go with it.
But I agree with the need for the typical AH/WB's autopilot. Auto level, auto climb, auto speed.
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"... the F9F"
HEY! Don't bogart that plane, pass it down this way. It's the one I want to "fly" not the 86 or 15
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Originally posted by Swoop
No autopilot?
Aw man sod that. If I can't go outside for a smoke on climbout this means either I gotta quit smoking or the girlfriend has gotta go so I can smoke in the house again.
Nah, think I'll just stick with AH for a while longer.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
From above :)
6) No autopilot is a nice feature.
There will be a "wings level" type auto pilot sooner rather than later. For the reasons banana stated above.
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It is a good start, but they have a long way to go. I am not sure what market they are targeting. I suspect the answer is none. I came away with the feeling this is someone's hobby more than a commercial enterprise.
No need to rehash what has already been mentioned. I'll look for subsequent releases with interest, but for my dollar they are not nearly there yet.