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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LePaul on November 26, 2001, 11:59:00 PM
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I'm a bad person, I'll 'fess up right here and now. My patience has worn out with the influx of newbies, the time for "Hello, welcome aboard" has passed and the "Shaddup and go read the doc's" is becoming the knee jerk reaction.
And its not so much the Air Warrior guys, most of those folks are great fellas and say their Hello's to the room and commence play.
What's ticking me off is all the newbie's who refuse to read the docs, learn to play in the Training Room, and constantly try joining your aircraft. I had 8 players in a 1/2 hour period try joining my Typhoon. A quick check to the roster show's their rank of Zero.
We all learned this game at one point. Some nice folks lead me to the training room, and folks in there showed me how to fly the various planes, and gave me URLs to their websites and others on the pro's and con's of each aircraft, etc etc. Now, we have folks signing on with no bother to read the help files or stop by the training. Nope, let's plop down into the Main Arena, where everyone is, and pester the paying users. "HOW DO I BOMB?" "HOW DO I MOVE TO A DIFFERENT BASE" and the rantings go on and on. Forget relying on channel 2 for any status on fields or strategy. We've got to stop what we're doing and educate "Skippy", King of the Dweebs.
For a while, I endured it. But now, its just a constant thing. And I know a few others agree with me, YES newbies are good for the game but there's a right way and a wrong way to get started. And I've got fellas reminding me of what a jerk I am for suggesting the newbie go into the training room and LEARN. My logic (really, there is some...) is if they learn in there, not only are folks who are PATIENT and LIKE teaching people in there, but the poor newbie might be a bit less frustrated, and less a pain in the butt to the rest of the gaming community in the Main.
And if you bring a newbie into the game, how's about going into private chat with him, so those of us following the buffer for news on backup and other game situations do not have to squint through you and skippy's ramblings on "Gee the La7 is fast" :)
I want to be considerate to the newbies, I simply request that they be respectful to the members that are paying to play.
Am I outta line here, or simply asking too much?
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LOL!
Yesterday my patience ran out. "how do u select dt"...then "HOW DO U SELECT DT ANYONE?????????!!!!!!!!!"
Notice the added "!"s and "?". Adding one multiplies the value of the question: adding two quadruples it.
Standard answer is "Press enter three times, then look up the acronym "RTFM".
I don't mind helping out: am glad to. It's just that answering the questions that are answered easily by the manual is becoming a wee bit tedious.
Oh well, these guys will soon be Aces anyhow :)
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Ah, you share my pain :)
It is quite fun telling them to hit Alt-F4 for a special perk point screen.....muhahaha
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Just tell em to use ALT F4
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Take prozac !
And just recall that one time (several time for me ;)) you where a complete newbie ignoring proper etiquette and rather impatient to show your skills (err... deaths :D )
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Originally posted by elstevie:
Just tell em to use ALT F4
heh did that once, just to joke with a guy who was asking if there was any cheat mode in AH. Told him that the menu popped up with ALT-F4 (thinking he'd notice it).
In a couple of minutes he was back saying AH had crashed to desktop while trying to get the cheat menu open
Think I died laughing :D
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Move over rover...I got my own squaddie. During a TOD! :D
(http://www.matthoffman.cc/bb/altf4.jpg)
SOB
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LePaul-
No, you are not bad, teaching is not for everyone. No offense intended, believe me! You have a small snapshot there of what it can be like for a teacher in a classroom all day long.
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LePaul - I appreciate your difficulty, but it has to be said that it's not always easy to find the necessary documents. Indeed, I am having problems using the Aces High Help application itself! I've installed it, but can't make it run. See my topic at http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=012717 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=012717)
Also, you must remember that there may be a new influx of players into Aces High. Air Warrior has just emptied out, and now the future of iEN's Warbirds and indeed iEN itself looks to be in doubt.
StSanta! I'm afraid I was the one asking for help about attaching Drop Tanks. My apologies for not being more specific in my query, but there is a length limit to text messages. I have it figured out now. Someone was kind enough to answer me - I think it was OCT
By the way, LePaul - I looked at your picture. You are very nice looking with nice hair and features. But who's that ugly brute sitting behind you? :D
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Uncle Scrmbl ]
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Uncle Scrmbl ]
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I like all the newbies. You can ignore the stupid questions ya know.
lazs
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Normal to feel that way...still, we should do all we can to grow the community.
We were all this way at one time or another...to isolate folks by complaining about them on an open forum is inappropriate.
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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I haven't had a single newbie get on the comms after being shot down and make excuses, cuss or criticize the method by which it was done in the last month and a half. Seems you have to be a vet to do that
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Originally posted by Rude:
We were all this way at one time or another...to isolate folks by complaining about them on an open forum is inappropriate.
Emm disagree.
To ask about the game is one thing. We've all been new and asked things on the MA about the game. But mostly in a polite way and trying to be humble.
But to yell in country and/or in open channel if you don't get an immediate, concise answer, is another thing. Unpolite, and unappropiate. The people in the MA isn't there to teach the newbies,they are there to have fun.
Each time I see a guy with that "I DEMAND people to help me" attitude, I simply forget about the guy. I even don't take the work to squelch him. Those kind of guys seem like thinking they MUST be helped no matter what. And if you aren't in the best of the moods it can get really pissing sometimes.
As I said, we've all been new but when we first logged in we didn't start typing in caps demanding for immediate attention from the guys online.
Is dont really mind this problem, I've taken newbies to the TA several times (not being a trainer) and been happy to do it. But I very well understand the people who are really fed up with some newbies' attitude in the MA.
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Originally posted by Rude:
[QB]Normal to feel that way...still, we should do all we can to grow the community.
We were all this way at one time or another...to isolate folks by complaining about them on an open forum is inappropriate.
QB]
Yes, but perhaps there is insufficient help construction by HTC.
Posting toward that issue would be appropriate.
Personally I get a touch aggrevated that I have to .squelch 1 in order to catch squad or country info before it gets off the 200 lines per minute buffer.
I think a major portion of this would be nullified if HTC were to post a simple(printable) key config layout.
Then when the "How do you drop bombs?" pops up, we could just type out, "Newbie, Please visit http://help.hitechcreations.com/keys (http://help.hitechcreations.com/keys) , or something of the sort.
It might also be nice to have the download page pop up a new browser window which puts that page on top when someone tries to download. Sort of force them to recognize that help is available "Outside" the game.
Of course, this would require HTC to develope a help system. ;)
For future ref. HT said in his interview at the CON that they were looking to "Advertise" publicly in the future.
If you think things are annoying now, just wait.
Viper
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While I don't disagree to a point with the suggestions forwarded here to alleviate the minor irritations of so many newbies, you guys have to realize when you see so many new people at once you are going to have these types of questions and occurences. It's natural, and it's short-term. If you don't want to help them, don't. If you do, do. It will all pass soon enough.
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Originally posted by LePaul:
Some nice folks lead me to the training room, and folks in there showed me how to fly the various planes, and gave me URLs to their websites and others on the pro's and con's of each aircraft, etc etc.
Really? What game are you playing? ;)
My experience in the "Training" arena was to appear at the spawn point, only to be vulched by some tard orbiting the field. No trainers, no helpful URL's, no nothing. So, I gave up and just jumped into the MA--I get slaugtered, but hey, @ least I'm learnin something...it would be helpful to have perhaps a training schedule posted somewhere--or is there one and I missed it?
dh
(another newbie lookin fer a clue)
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that's right, only vets can whine about getting hispano 1-ping spray n pray'd from 700yds (and increasing fast).
;) can't even JABO and run anymore without some guy smacking you from insane ranges. I tell ya, what's this game coming to??
oh, btw, I have no issues with newbies asking questions, and if I do, then .squelch will come in handy.
Also, I think there is a command to ignore join requests. dunno what it is tho
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Originally posted by Kieran:
While I don't disagree to a point with the suggestions forwarded here to alleviate the minor irritations of so many newbies, you guys have to realize when you see so many new people at once you are going to have these types of questions and occurences. It's natural, and it's short-term. If you don't want to help them, don't. If you do, do. It will all pass soon enough.
All very true, kieren...but that doens't hide the fact that they ARE annoying for some people.
And last weeks,some times the radio channel has turned into a real newbie-demanding-fest. Not to mention the casual newbie who sends you a join request wich pops up just when you are in the middle of a furball, in a 8-kill sortie, because they "want to see how you do it".
Hell I never joined someone without asking first!. Not now, and much less when I first came here. Its called "good manners".
The problem is just that, the lack of good manners by some of the new guys. Its understandable that they want to learn how to play AH, but they do in such a way that can be really irritating for some people.
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Here's two very simple solutions for you LePaul and Ram,
.squelch
.showjoin
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I think a major portion of this would be nullified if HTC were to post a simple(printable) key config layout.
How's this?
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/superfly/ref.jpg)
BTW, there is a key commands reference in the help section that could be easily printed. The problem is that nobody likes to read the instructions when they play a game. Just accept the fact that there will always be new people coming to AH, and you help build a stronger community by helping others. Be a good samaritan. :p
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: SUPERFLY ]
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Right on MrHanky..
One morning a few weeks ago, when only flying here for 2 months could still be considered a tin horn (before AW influx), i shot down a well established AH pilot several times.
Each time the excuse was something new, not that i out flew him. Wouldnt want to admit the "new guy" around the MA got the best of you.
First time he was "out of gas".
Second "out of ammo" (which was ammusing since he was dog fighting me and didnt get a chance to shoot once, why would you go that far with out ammo?).
third time he was "out of fuel" again..
of course the time he shot me down it was a "good fight" (which is the norm around here, only a good fight if you win) lol :D
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When i first started a few months ago you guys were more than generous to me, i thought you were a great bunch of guys helping me out, mostly on channel 2 in MA.
(didnt have to many stupid questions really, i had enough common sense to check out the control settings to see what most of the commands were)
I needed a lot of help in some areas because i knew nothing about AC, ACM even more so WWII AC. I try to return the favor when i can buy answering the "easy newbie" questions when i see um.
Things have changed big time, seemingly no one asks a question any more, they normaly demand a answer (speaking of the new guys).
And to boot theres a lot more of them so its not a scenerio like it was when i came aboard, maybe seeing 2-3 new guys a month.
Now its 200+ new guys in month period, thus
the quality of persons is bound to differ in that quantity.
Just try to be patient and squelch the anooying spammers.. works for me.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY:
How's this?
<snip>
BTW, there is a key commands reference in the help section that could be easily printed. The problem is that nobody likes to read the instructions when they play a game. Just accept the fact that there will always be new people coming to AH, and you help build a stronger community by helping others. Be a good samaritan. :p
and the french just need a bit of help to figure that
US <=> FR
/ <=> !
ctrl + / <=> ctrl + !
shift + / <=> shift + !
alt + / <=> alt + !
[ <=> ù
] <=> *
and so on :D
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Windows switches (usually with alt+shift by default) from one keyboard language to another, it can be setup by going into
Settings/Control Panel > Keyboard
Look for the language/locale settings.
This works (so far) regardless of the top window/program.
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Wow
I wasn't expecting 20+ replies when I signed on this morning and starting browsing the BBS.
And all very civil, might I add. Very cool.
Superfly hit it on the head, people don't like to read the instructions. Some do, but I think those are a vast minority. I know the first thing I try to do in any flight sim is try to find the key layout. (I lost the one for Falcon 4 and I am forever screwed trying to arm the laser guided bombs and adjust radar elevation! Doh!) That's a great keyboard guide and hopefully more folks will find it!
This is a passionate game flown by passionate people. I love it, despite it all, I really do. I enjoy the time I'm online flying with friends. And I like making new friends in there as well. But there are evenings, like I had lastr night, where you wish new fellas would observe some kind of protocols...like ASKING before attempting to join repeatedly and perhaps learning how to play in the training room, or offline.
I know there are some folks in here who are great teachers. And bless you folks for your un-ending patience. I haven't got that. I'd sooner be learning how to tie a hangman's noose out of telephone cable and killing myself rather than explaining yet AGAIN what a "salvo" is :D
You know I wish I'd grabbed a screenshot a few days ago. I went into the Training Room to get some Me-262 landing time and saw nothing but "Victory 1 so-and-so" all over the screen, and the base I was upping from was in smoke. Not a training related thing in the buffer, just kills galore. But go into the Main Arena, you'd think its "Bob Villa's Learn to Fly" hour. "How do you..." etc etc all over the Main Arena chat buffer. LOL, shouldn't that be reversed?
So like I said from the begining, yea, I'm a bad person....I pay to play in the Main Arena, not tutor or endure a chat buffer full of tutoring...that kind of stuff is supposed to be done elsewhere. <shrug>
BTW, someone couldn't find URLs? I know Ripsnort had a great page full of tactics and such, and Frenchy had a good beginners page up too. I know there are others, could those folks post em for the new guys?
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I enjoyed the Special Olympics at A47 last night. 3 newbies bringing goons and dropping the drunks on the airfield after we had just explained that they needed to be dropped on the town. Next time they did drop on the town...1 dropped at about 8000ft, the other at about 8ft. The low load splattered, the high load took so long to get down that the town came back up and all the troops had grown long beards.
It would be nice for these guys to hit a key and bring up some help in-game instead of being taken to a webpage.
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LOL
Raub, I saw that! I was in a Ju88, orbiting overhead trying to keep the city down. Man, isn't that maddening?
I beleive we had those same guys on Sunday night, dropping troops on top of an M16 at the city, wondering why the troops weren't making it to the ground. Doh!
Apparently the loons have a weeklong pass and all joined Knights!
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Originally posted by LePaul:
HOW DO I BOMB?
You are jumping all over the newbies, but you ask how to bomb???
:D
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we usually get 2 types of newbies here, the first type is the AW and Warbirds type who have been playing sims for a while and DO read the help files and usually ask intelligent questions. The other group is the "Quake" group who just want to hop into a bird and have INSTANT ACTION, this is usually the annoying group that ask dumb questions and expect instant answers and usually after their 2 weeks are up you never see them again.
WarRaidr
363rd Fighter Squadron
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You've got newbies who are prepared to goon and you're giving them a hard time?
Smart, real smart.
I'd rather see a text buffer full of "how do I...." than a buffer full of "NEed ggoon toA# NOW" or "MISSon to A%! PLs JPOIN MISSIONM GUYS1" scrolling by every two nanoseconds.
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Ram.....
But to yell in country and/or in open channel if you don't get an immediate, concise answer, is another thing. Unpolite, and unappropiate. The people in the MA isn't there to teach the newbies,they are there to have fun.
Each time I see a guy with that "I DEMAND people to help me" attitude, I simply forget about the guy. I even don't take the work to squelch him. Those kind of guys seem like thinking they MUST be helped no matter what. And if you aren't in the best of the moods it can get really pissing sometimes.
I saw no reference in the original post regarding rude behavior. To help others out and build a stronger community is a small price to pay.
If I were new here and read this, I would form the opinion that those posting negative remarks about new players were selfish and self centered, only willing to lend a hand the way they saw fit and not help me get through the learning curve and enjoy the sim more quickly.
Nice job! :rolleyes:
To all of the new players...
What you see here is the bitter minority...not representative of the community...If ya need help, just ask and many will be willing to lend a hand...even if it is inconvenient. :)
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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BD5-
If you really want that Falcon 4 keymap, I think I have it in my basement. I'll look tonight, and if I find it, it's yours.
I'll see if I catch you in the main arena tonight.
As for this thread, I must say, having only 6 mos. under my belt, I feel for the newbs trying to learn the game. There's alot in here to aboserb. Still no excuse for not reading the manual, or printing out the Keymap. I answer any questions I can, as long as the person isn't demanding about it. If so, then the old squelch comes on.
And when you fella's need something gooned right, forget the cherries. Call me.
8,000 ft AGL drop! *laughs*
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Got a feeling I know who wins tomorrow... ;)
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ppls. How to shoot bullets please? Also, I need helps on shooting battle things such as tanks and planes and fighter ppls.
helps ?
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Commander, use the force to slay many ppls. j00 should go to the TA and practice $n!p3ring peeps off the runway. Try the N1K2, it is the closet thing to my Tie Fighter. You can fly with my squad for practice if you want. We fly on Tueday at 2pm because school gets out early that day.
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Newbie here....
Superfly...thank you, thank you, thank you
You saved me alot of time posting that here!
I have just recently joined and I have found everyone here to be extremely cool and very helpful. Understandably there is going to be animosity when a newbie jumps in and demands help without trying to find it on their own and vets cannot be faulted for that. The difficulty is that it can be a very frustrating experience trying to do it all yourself...particularly when they ignore the message boards, which is the best resourse for any sim!
See ya up there....watch your six 'cause you don't want a newbie to kill ya!
:D (http://curval.freeservers.com/images/bdaflag.gif)
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I enjoyed the Special Olympics at A47 last night. 3 newbies bringing goons and dropping the drunks on the airfield after we had just explained that they needed to be dropped on the town. Next time they did drop on the town...1 dropped at about 8000ft, the other at about 8ft. The low load splattered, the high load took so long to get down that the town came back up and all the troops had grown long beards.
So now this thread is about FDPs? I didn't think they let creamo and animal fly goons anymore. They were spending too much time in back with the troops... not enough time flying.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Curval:
Newbie here....
Superfly...thank you, thank you, thank you
You saved me alot of time posting that here!
I have just recently joined and I have found everyone here to be extremely cool and very helpful. Understandably there is going to be animosity when a newbie jumps in and demands help without trying to find it on their own and vets cannot be faulted for that. The difficulty is that it can be a very frustrating experience trying to do it all yourself...particularly when they ignore the message boards, which is the best resourse for any sim!
See ya up there....watch your six 'cause you don't want a newbie to kill ya!
:D (http://curval.freeservers.com/images/bdaflag.gif)
This guy seems to fit in just nicely, wouldn't you say?
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Originally posted by Rude:
Ram.....
I saw no reference in the original post regarding rude behavior. To help others out and build a stronger community is a small price to pay.
If I were new here and read this, I would form the opinion that those posting negative remarks about new players were selfish and self centered, only willing to lend a hand the way they saw fit and not help me get through the learning curve and enjoy the sim more quickly.
Nice job! :rolleyes:
To all of the new players...
What you see here is the bitter minority...not representative of the community...If ya need help, just ask and many will be willing to lend a hand...even if it is inconvenient. :)
Is quite curious, rude,that I've never seen you offering help in #1 to someone asking to go to TA. I've gone there quite many times to help newbies to get a grip on AH. And I ain't a trainer. And is more curious that, you not doing that, you come here and drop that kind answer on me :)
Face it: while most newbies are polite and their questions are OK, there is a quite good number of them who come in and start yelling and asking in caps to the four winds why do they crash the plane on take off.
And face it, while you are in MA, you dont need to read their demands in capital letters. And much less you need the same guy popping a nice join request for the fifth time in a row after you have refused four times before.
All those things are not rare in the MA today. I personally could't care the less about the newbie yelling and demanding for help. I even don't take the work to squelch them. But I understand those who simply are fed up of that kind of dweebs. Maybe you don't understand them. But I do.
Said that, I can tell you of a good list of guys who say "hey people I'm new here, how do I take off?" (in this tone and without caps), and have a private from RAM telling them if they want to move to the TA to get some training.
I dont dislike newbies. I dislike stupid instant-action dweebs who demand your help HERE AND NOW.
So get your facts straight next post, please :).
[edit] BTW I indeed saw a reference to rude behavior in the first post of this thread. I'm sure LePaul wasn't critizing the average newbie who asks in a normal and calm way to get some advice. Any normal question is OK for me and I usually answer them.
But for me to DEMAND instant answers in capital letters, and to send repeated requests to join another player without asking first, is rude and unpolite behavior. And I simply dont answer to any question asked in those terms, nor I offer any help if the one asking for it doesn't know how to ask it in a normal way without ordering you to help him NOW.
Maybe you've got other standards, but mine are those :)[/edit]
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Umm, Rude, funny how *you* take it upon yuorself to decide who is the minority and who isn't.
I'm not out to blast the newbies, but rather, as my post and others stated, there is a right way and a wrong way to learn the game. If you want your chat buffer full of "How do I..." 's and that sortas stuff, great! All the power to you! But as a paying member, it gets old for me. And I speak for me, myself and I. And I don't feel as though I am any sort of minority from seeing others also refer noobs to the TA and the Help Files.
But hey, you like to villanize anyone who has a differing opinion than you. You've made that your personal crusade with your weekly award, for which I have the honor of being the first awardee of. Whatever. We agree to disagree, again. :rolleyes:
To the newbies, welcome to Aces High. When you are ready to fly with the big boys after grasping the basics, come aboard. People pay to play in there and appreciate you understanding the fundamentals.
What's so unreasonable about that?
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: LePaul ]
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I have no problems with all the new players. Well, except for one.
Last night a player named 'Deus01' decided to get into it with me after pj and I singlehandledly took on like 5 people.
Ended up being a zeke and a spit and I left in the end of that furball. I got the zeke to auger and then there i was, 150mph at 100ft in a spitV with a spit9 right behind me at 300 yards. I thought I was toast. I chopped throttle and threw out flaps and gear as he pinged me, and *overshot*.
Lit him up with hispanos and got outta there.
Was about to throw an <S> for a great dogfight on chan 1 when I see 'what a roadkill kill'
Over the next 2 1/2 hours he proceded to insult me in just about every way possible while I went about my merry way of shooting him down. In the end he was vulching people in the TA after the main went down so I started really going after him. He was crying about reporting me to HTC when IMO his language and attitude in both the MA and TA was horrible. Hah. I begged him to report me on the BBS so we could have a real solid winner for Rude's contest.
If every newbie came into the arena like Deusie boy, I'd drop my AH account in a second. Thank god most of em are normal, because most of the fun in this game is the comraderie between pilots. He didn't piss me off (I wish I could say the same for him; Moose 4, Deus01 0 :)) but he sure did get the entire arena riled.
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My only question is how can someone named "Rude" be so politically correct? That handle needs to get passed along to someone that earns it ;-)
Substitutes:
lambchp
tchyfely
wrmnfzy
LOL
Hening
416 RCAF
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LePaul....
To the newbies, welcome to Aces High. When you are ready to fly with the big boys after grasping the basics, come aboard. People pay to play in there and appreciate you understanding the fundamentals.
Big Boys?
Ya know...as I read these boards at times throughout my day, I very very rarely ever read anything that makes me laugh out loud.
The beforementioned did the trick.
The facts are as follows:
A small minority posts on this board in comparison to the entire AH community.
Of that small minority, an even smaller minority acts like a pompous turd and criticizes new players for behavior thats normal when thrown into an enviroment like AH.
Anyone ever teach you about first impressions?
If bein a Big Boy means you take a condescending attitude towards those who might need some help, then post about it on an open forum where new guys can read about it, then I think I would prefer to fly with the newbies and shoot down all of the Big Boys :eek:
****Attention Newbies****
In the interest of being civil and helpful to those who might need help, please feel free to contact me anytime while online if you have a question. Myself or my squad would be glad to help if not busy shooting down the Big Boys!
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Rude ]
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Something else that needs to be considered is that players migrating from other flight sims may not have access to a HELP document that’s as good as the Aces High HELP application. I came across from WB, and found the help on offer there from iEN was deplorable. The only way to find out which side a city was on, when all the fields around it had been captured, was to fly there and see if you got shot at!
My advice is to alert the newbies to the existence of the HELP application. Some from other flight sims will be pleasantly surprised.
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Moose
"Last night a player named 'Deus01' decided to get into it with me after pj and I singlehandledly took on like 5 people.
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I dont think that singlehandedly means what you think it means...
I think that the new people that I have run into are fine. They are no different then new guys have always been and will allways be.
Most interesting one I met showed me what fresh thought can do.
I thought I was dealing with a total turd cause he was following my lanc shooting at like 1.8k or so. So I let him go not having much tail ammo in a lanc. Suddenly I am getting hammered. I shot him down but most everything on the plane was red. He killed me at 1.2 or so.
I asked him to check his connect he said it was fine. I checked mine It was fine..
We start talking and he tells me he was shooting his 13mm way above me till he saw a hit and then oppend up with his 3 20mm..(109)
I laughed. He had gotten me with indirect fire. a mg151/20 kill at over 1 k.( I got him actually but it was defiantly a kill. I was down to 1 engine, no elevator, no top or rear turret and pilot wounded.
New guys are fine.
They bring energy and wonder to the game and make us rethink some things that we might have come to blindly accept.
Learn something new every day.
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Originally posted by Rude:
LePaul....
Big Boys?
Yeah.... and what about the Big Girls!??? :eek: ;)
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Moose: I saw that exchange... but you think thats bad?
How about this, some other new dweeb called NUKE is on my case because he thinks I drove some newbie CHICK called ANIMAL out of the arena :D he claims I sexually harassed "her"!
Everytime I open up on Ch#1 this little tards jumps in to attack me, I think he believes he is defending 'Miss' Animals honour.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel:
I enjoyed the Special Olympics at A47 last night. 3 newbies bringing goons and dropping the drunks on the airfield after we had just explained that they needed to be dropped on the town. Next time they did drop on the town...1 dropped at about 8000ft, the other at about 8ft. The low load splattered, the high load took so long to get down that the town came back up and all the troops had grown long beards.
It would be nice for these guys to hit a key and bring up some help in-game instead of being taken to a webpage.
LOL!! You think they maybe rode that little "short" school bus to school? :)
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Newbies are fun. :)
I guess I'm kinda demented to get my yucks like this... but; hell, why kill the joy of discovery for 'em? Right?
A lil example... I was tooling along on my way to another personal aswuppin at the local 'special olympics/field capture exercises' whwn I was accosted in the text buffer by a group of new guys formed up in b17's on the way to the aforementioned olympics. Having seen these guys (5 of 'em) carpet bombing our own field a few sorties pervious I figured maybe IU'd give 'em a hand on upgrading their view settings.
DOGPORKER: hey, hangtime how bout u givin us escort?
MAMASBOY: yeah doode, we gonna paste the knights
IDIOTSON: we sure need some help, gunners would be kewl too
etc, etc.
Now, I'm not a mean guy (depends who yah ask I guess) so I said..
HANGTIME: you guys get your cockpit views adjusted yet?
DOGPORKER: ??
HANGTIME: to get a full external view, no canopy frame, hit enter 3x fast.
4 beeeeyoutiful chutes... only sad part; the 5th guy was wize.. he was in a gunners position. I had to tell him to go to the cockpit first.
Then there ws 5. :D
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Originally posted by Qnm:
Windows switches (usually with alt+shift by default) from one keyboard language to another, it can be setup by going into
Settings/Control Panel > Keyboard
Look for the language/locale settings.
This works (so far) regardless of the top window/program.
yep but it won't put the US labels on my Keyboard :)
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY:
How's this?
PIC WAS HERE
BTW, there is a key commands reference in the help section that could be easily printed. The problem is that nobody likes to read the instructions when they play a game. Just accept the fact that there will always be new people coming to AH, and you help build a stronger community by helping others. Be a good samaritan. :p
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: SUPERFLY ]
Ah yes!
OK, now can we force a newbie to find it?
:D
Perhaps the install program could offer to open (optional of course) a .txt file containing the commands and recommend printing them.
I don't mind helping, enjoy it actually, but as the start of this thread notes, it is rather overwhelming at the moment.
I found myself having to squelch 1 and 6 last night just to keep up with Squad Text.
Viper
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In fact, I wouldn't mind sitting in the training arena for a few hours a week if it meant I could get a free sub. ;)
Would it be worth it for HTC to find 7 guys who would be willing to spend 3 hours in the TA during "Prime Time" and give us free subscriptions?
7 People
Each responsible for 1 night each week.
Hours, 9:00 PM - Midnight Eastern time.
Limit help to general flight info: dot commands, key commands, how to take off/land, what troops do.
NOT Technical help though: No Modem, PC, Dial up, or other Tweak advice would be allowed as it could damage or hinder performance.
What do ya think?
Viper
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Heyas Ram....
Is quite curious, rude,that I've never seen you offering help in #1 to someone asking to go to TA. I've gone there quite many times to help newbies to get a grip on AH. And I ain't a trainer. And is more curious that, you not doing that, you come here and drop that kind answer on me
I really don't know what to say...I had no idea you flew the same time as I do and that you kept such close track of me.Wow! :rolleyes:
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Rude ]
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"The facts are as follows:
A small minority posts on this board in comparison to the entire AH community.
Of that small minority, an even smaller minority acts like a pompous turd and criticizes new players for behavior thats normal when thrown into an enviroment like AH.
Anyone ever teach you about first impressions?
If bein a Big Boy means you take a condescending attitude towards those who might need some help, then post about it on an open forum where new guys can read about it, then I think I would prefer to fly with the newbies and shoot down all of the Big Boys "
Hmm... That rude guy wasn't assleep his entire flight sim career... Now you know why I am proud to say that lepaul and I disagree on allmost everythying eh?
lazs
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Lazs the Compassionate? The apocalypse is near.
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Originally posted by lazs1:
"The facts are as follows:
A small minority posts on this board in comparison to the entire AH community.
Of that small minority, an even smaller minority acts like a pompous turd and criticizes new players for behavior thats normal when thrown into an enviroment like AH.
Anyone ever teach you about first impressions?
If bein a Big Boy means you take a condescending attitude towards those who might need some help, then post about it on an open forum where new guys can read about it, then I think I would prefer to fly with the newbies and shoot down all of the Big Boys "
Hmm... That rude guy wasn't assleep his entire flight sim career... Now you know why I am proud to say that lepaul and I disagree on allmost everythying eh?
lazs
HEHE lazs, I don't think you see how like Rude you actually are. Except that he wears his "Rude"ness on his T-Shirt for everyone to see.
Anyone ever teach you about first impressions?
Anyone ever teach you about 2nd impression, or 3rd?
How about your last impression:
...I am proud to say that lepaul and I disagree on allmost everythying...
Your not exactly the prime example of friendly. ;)
Viper
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I look at it as part of the 'experience of exposure'.
Some folks that fly this sim for the first time make themselves a royal pain in the butt by their approach to others online.. just like lil kids squealing for attention. Good attention, bad attention.. they don't care as long as somebody pays attention to their tardedness.
Those I ignore.
Then there are those that are just socializing in a big chatroom while flying a sim they have no serious intent to gain skillz in.. like the buff group I remarked about. Those guys had as big a laff about their nylon letdown as I did, and who knows, maybe they will stick around and sign up after the two week free ride.. they've been 'initiated' good naturedly and during the free time and chatting they even learned some things.
When i see intelligent questions relating to the immediate circumstances of flying a complicated airplane in a combat situation I try and help. Questions like "how do i drop troops" or "where" or "how do i open bomb bay" I answer freely.. if i'm not buzy gettin killed myself.
Nobody here got in the plane BEFORE reading the manual in detail. All ACM is learned as part of "On The Job Training"... with the exception of Animal, who had to go through Affirmative Action first.
Newbies can be counted on for exceptional courage, daring ideas, tenacity and of course, a damn good belly laugh at least once an evening.
Case in point... back a few years ago we had a guy show up at a hevily contested field with a goon. Every defender in the area made for that guy like he was lit up in neon. The field in question had been prepped, and about 10 of us were keeping it capped, waiting on that goon. For 15 minutes the text buffer had been filled with our plaintive cries of "SEND GOON TO a15!!"
What ensued was one of the most incredible low alt air battles I'd ever been in.. I think I wound up with a 15 kill sortie and never vultched a soul.. I was in the 357th at the time, and ALL of us were hammering knits outta the sky around that field.. the kill buffer was solid yellow text just from the action around this field.
Thru this fight, oblivious to the carnage and mayhem flew that goon, where he lined up with the runway, lowered flaps, gear, made a beautiful touchdown and used all the runway for the rollout..
Still, the battle raged around this guy, and miraculously, not one single knit laid a round on him.. and then he exited. No capture.
I aked him "did you drop the troops?" His reply?
"what troops?"
Yah gotta love the newbies. They are truly spectacular at times.. and they are one of the best reasons to continue flying this sim.. you'd never see anything remotely as funny as what they can do if all we had to mess with was hungry alt monkies lookin for the DFC on the scorecard.
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One night there was a newbie shouting: "HOW DO I TAKE OFF? HOW DO I TAKE OFF?"
After some answers which did not seem to help him someone asked: "How old are you "newbie"?"
... "12" was the answer.
People were already fed up with him and squelched him. I then got a huch and asked him: "Do you have a joystick?"
..... "NAH, I DONT NEED ONE"
:D :D :D
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This is idle discussion. Most of you guys are n00bs for 1999 old farts like me. :p
Anyhow, you shouldn't be complaining. More n00bs = better K/D ratio. ;)