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Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: muckmaw on August 04, 2003, 12:09:28 PM
I need some help fast!

I've only got about 20 years before I can afford one, but I believe in doing my reserch early.

Seriously, on a ballpark level, what does it cost to buy and maintain a WWII warbird?

Say a P-51?

Anyone ever look into this?
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: midnight Target on August 04, 2003, 12:34:14 PM
There was one for sale at the March Air Museum about 2 years ago. I think the guy wanted 1.4 million. Maintenance I have no idea.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: Toad on August 04, 2003, 12:53:18 PM
You remember the old line about if you have to ask you can't afford it?


:D

Purchase price, hangar (if you buy an warbird you'll want to hangar it), insurance, annual inspection, miscellaneous minor repairs, putting a bit away for major repairs (like engine overhauls) and then the everyday costs of flying it (gas and oil) all combine to make impressive totals. The more horsepower, generally, the more all of these things cost you.

And then there's those urges to "improve" your airplane like getting original bits and pieces to restore it back to "the way it really was".
Title: You can buy a P-51 here....
Post by: GtoRA2 on August 04, 2003, 12:56:41 PM
Only 1.6 mil!!


Courtesy aircraft (http://courtesyaircraft.com/)

Click on invetory.

Hell this one is only 1.7mil

(http://courtesyaircraft.com/images/773rd_inflt.jpg)
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: muckmaw on August 04, 2003, 01:17:08 PM
Screw the pony..I want the B-25!!!

And I can saw half a mil!

Oh...can I borrow half a mil?
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: nuchpatrick on August 04, 2003, 01:36:48 PM
Now, if I can only win fraggin lotto..

I'd try to find a P-47..or else I'd settle for a T-6.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: LePaul on August 04, 2003, 01:39:02 PM
Oh my....Dear Santa...

(http://courtesyaircraft.com/images/188rl_inflt.jpg)
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: BlkKnit on August 04, 2003, 02:51:54 PM
heh, we installed a bombay mounted auxillary fuel tank in a B25 a few years back.  It was bound for Europe to do airshows and they give out free fuel......an extra 240 gallons makes the trip a bit less of a loss I guess.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: midnight Target on August 04, 2003, 03:05:04 PM
A-26c for "only" 350k?

Wow!
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: Heater on August 04, 2003, 03:29:02 PM
Well,

look at about $1.0 - $1.5 Million for one in good shape, and around $1000, per hour (Fuel, Maintenance, Insurance etc...) operating cost.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: Fishu on August 04, 2003, 03:34:27 PM
20 years?  lets see.. inflation.. age value increase... rarity value increase...

lets say you can add an extra zero into all prices.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: Reschke on August 04, 2003, 03:59:48 PM
Same site as linked above for the Fg-1D.

A-26C CHEAP!!!!!!! (http://courtesyaircraft.com/n7705C.htm) Only $350,000

B-25N CHEAP!!!!!!!!! (http://courtesyaircraft.com/n898BW.htm) Only $425,000
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: muckmaw on August 04, 2003, 05:53:48 PM
I've got an idea...if we get everyone in AH to pool our money together, we might be able to afford a ride!
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: MrCoffee on August 04, 2003, 06:04:59 PM
That sounds like a wonderfull idea. Who will get to crash it? Joking.

:D

BTW: Planning on getting some sort of futuristic carbon fiber jet in about 30 years. Civilian aviation should be cheap by then.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: Holden McGroin on August 04, 2003, 10:44:52 PM
Ask Tony Danza...

He just bought a P-51K to add to his T-6, his P-40, and his Bearcat.

Rumor he is looking for a Spit 16
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: rpm on August 04, 2003, 11:44:29 PM
Forget the Pony....You might have a shot at a Stearman.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: Frogm4n on August 04, 2003, 11:51:04 PM
i would rather have the TBM, and just drop 1k bombs on jerks takeing off.
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: nopoop on August 05, 2003, 12:05:17 AM
For the heck of it I figured it out once...

If someone GIVES you a P51 Mustang..."done"

With west coast prices including Annual inspection, maintanence, hanger fees, insurance and all the rest taking for granted no repairs or maintanence will be done by you, using 20 hours of flight time a month as an average, it will cost you..

Approximately 50K a year.

If you get fifty guys..

AND find someone to give you one...

That works out to 4.8 hours per person minus the checkout in a 51 which is probably over 10 thousand dollars PER person..

So...

For fifty guys being GIVIN a 1.5 million dollar airplane the individual outlay would be in the neighborhood of 11 thousand dollars a piece intitial, 1 thousand dollars a year for 4.8 hours flight time NOT including the cost of remaining "current" in the aircraft...

4.8 hours ain't gonna cut it for that...

That is the ugly truth Muck..

I've taken the liberty of removing all the ammunition from your house..

Next question ?

But to dream ?? http://www.courtesyaircraft.com
Title: Buying an airplane...advice needed...
Post by: Holden McGroin on August 05, 2003, 12:44:07 AM
I'd take the Albatross for 349K...

Then it off to Alaska.