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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Animal on August 07, 2003, 06:14:38 PM
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Naval Aviation Propaganda Bush!!! (http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/2431939/ctid/17/place/aguc?_ts=n&ls=collect&_e=3f326&_v=3F32631CnGYOa6F929CBE986&_ts=y)
Awesome!
This is gonna fit right next to my action Jesus Christ (http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/), Gunnery Sgt. Lee Ermey (http://www.aboyd.com/products/ss3401.html), and Adolf Hitler (http://www.actionfiguresspain.com/wwiileaders/hitler.htm) figures!
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That's the uniform he wore when they destroyed all of the alien spaceships over area 51 right?
-Sik
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Don't bother.
I ordered mine ages ago...
.... and it never showed up.
Bah dum boom!
Thank you very much. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress.
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No, its the one he wore sporting an erection!
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Originally posted by Animal
No, its the one he wore sporting an erection!
Originally posted by Nash
Don't bother.
I ordered mine ages ago...
.... and it never showed up.
Bah dum boom!
Thank you very much. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress.
Its still on Pre-order, you assjack cumtrap!
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Sheeat... They never did teach me how to deal with hecklers at comedy camp.
'specially the drunk tard types who don't make any sense whatsoever.
uhm....
Yer momma wears army boots?
:)
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Does he barely show up and drink beer all the time, and prepare to shoot nukes at Soviet bombers?
;)
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Awesome! This will perfectly complement my Death Row Confinement Cell™ with matching Lethal Injection Room for Negroes and Hispanics®, Governor Bush Super Turbo Edition.
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Oh neato, now I can do pilot down rescue missions.
:D
Or perhaps, Bush pilot gets captured by armed Jesus Elite Fundamentalists.
(http://www.kbtoys.com/g/toys/big/123116.jpg)
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
Awesome! This will perfectly complement my Death Row Confinement Cell™ with matching Lethal Injection Room for Negroes and Hispanics®, Governor Bush Super Turbo Edition.
Oh my god, is that the limited edition?! how did you get that, ebay???
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oooo cant wait to get mine!
i'm gonna replay him saying the war is over everytime one of our troops dies!
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I want one of these...
(http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/JCSimages/figures/lfgod.jpg)
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Who would win in a fight; God Almighty or Aviator Bush?
All I know who is righteous; God has been known to use Weapons of Mass Destruction on a large scale since the begining of time, including widespread use of biological weapons on innocent civilians. He is also planned and succeeded in genocide.
Bush aint gonna stand and let this slide!!! :mad:
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lol Animal
I'm curious as to why God Almighty is armed with an AK 47? Shouldn't it be an American weapon?
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put this one into the oval office doll house:
(http://www.dutchguard.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/clinton-doll.jpg)(wonder if "I did not have sex with that woman.." is part of his speech track :))
and it turns into:
(http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/de33333333/.mids/DOLLBILLCLINTONWITHPANTSDOWN.JPG)
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Originally posted by Animal
...you assjack cumtrap!
:eek:
and people are gettin in a hussy about avatars? :confused:
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troops getting killed because Bush is an idoit( poor planing and not having nato support). does not = moron lieing about sex.
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Wonder how long before naked pics with Barbie appear on the net.....
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(http://www.illegal-art.org/print/images/forsythe-c.jpg)
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I meant George W AND Barbie.....
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
troops getting killed because Bush is an idoit( poor planing and not having nato support). does not = moron lieing about sex.
fact of life son - war kills
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Originally posted by Eagler
fact of life son - war kills
No no, the Shield of Nato support would have reduced casualties to zero Eagler! That's why no one died in Kosovo!
And if we had taken Nato support in with us, and someone died, the mantra would be: Bush got our boys killed because he didn't have UN support. And if we had UN support everyone probably would have stuck with "no blood for oil"
-Sik
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Originally posted by Animal
Oh my god, is that the limited edition?! how did you get that, ebay???
Yeah but I got it cheap because it was missing the Mental Retard Clemency Appeal Paper Shredder©.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
oooo cant wait to get mine!
i'm gonna replay him saying the war is over everytime one of our troops dies!
"officially declared the end to major combat in Iraq" != "saying the war is over"
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Originally posted by Curval
lol Animal
I'm curious as to why God Almighty is armed with an AK 47? Shouldn't it be an American weapon?
Russian orthodox?
Tronsky
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The one I want to see is the one of Bush junior in his Air National Guard pilot flight gear. Now that would be a rare collectors item. But sadly I don't think a photo exists.:D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I want one of these...
(http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/JCSimages/figures/lfgod.jpg)
AK-47???
I think you have the Allah version.
God carries an M1 Garand.
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Originally posted by Animal
God has been known to use Weapons of Mass Destruction on a large scale since the begining of time, including widespread use of biological weapons on innocent civilians.
Locusts :)
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Originally posted by Animal
Naval Aviation Propaganda Bush!!! (http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/2431939/ctid/17/place/aguc?_ts=n&ls=collect&_e=3f326&_v=3F32631CnGYOa6F929CBE986&_ts=y)
Awesome!
This is gonna fit right next to my action Jesus Christ (http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/), Gunnery Sgt. Lee Ermey (http://www.aboyd.com/products/ss3401.html), and Adolf Hitler (http://www.actionfiguresspain.com/wwiileaders/hitler.htm) figures!
Did you know the Ermey figure is now available in Extra Salty (http://www.rleeermey.com/saltymotivationalfigure1.php)?
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The Gunnery Sgt. Lee Ermey doll gives Bush a "reach around"? :D
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Funniest thread of the month, even beats the "Troll" one!
culero (LMAO)
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Life in plastic, it's fantastic
You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere...
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Originally posted by Montezuma
You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere...
The fact that I even know what song this comes from troubles me.
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Originally posted by blue1
The one I want to see is the one of Bush junior in his Air National Guard pilot flight gear. Now that would be a rare collectors item. But sadly I don't think a photo exists.:D
Wrong. Again.
(http://www.usembassy.de/bush/portrait/images/guard.jpg)
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Originally posted by Toad
Wrong. Again.
(http://www.usembassy.de/bush/portrait/images/guard.jpg)
Was that pic before or after he hid out for 2 years to avoid the drug test?
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It was while he was serving his unquestioned fours years in the guard and it shows a guy that served unlike many of his accusers and detractors.
It shows a guy that got an Honorable Discharge from the service in 1973 (IIRC), something not given to AWOL servicemen.
It shows a guy that still gets slammed by guys like you that have absolutely, to this day, no proof of their glib insults.
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Originally posted by Toad
It was while he was serving his unquestioned fours years in the guard and it shows a guy that served unlike many of his accusers and detractors.
It shows a guy that got an Honorable Discharge from the service in 1973 (IIRC), something not given to AWOL servicemen.
It shows a guy that still gets slammed by guys like you that have absolutely, to this day, no proof of their glib insults.
Just the FACTS (http://www.talion.com/georgebush.html) Jack.
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what a bunch of sissy studmuffingots.
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:p
(http://www.bartcop.com/toy-bush2.jpg)
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Yeah, just the FACTS, Jackie! (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html)
Here's the story as generally agreed upon: In January 1968, with the Vietnam war in full swing, Bush was due to graduate from Yale. Knowing he'd soon be eligible for the draft, he took an air force officers' test hoping to secure a billet with the Texas Air National Guard, which would allow him to do his military service at home. Bush didn't do particularly well on the test--on the pilot aptitude section, he scored in the 25th percentile, the lowest possible passing grade. But Bush's father, George H.W., was then a U.S. congressman from Houston, and strings were pulled. The younger Bush vaulted to the head of a long waiting list--a year and a half long, by some estimates--and in May of '68 he was inducted into the guard.
By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but apparently his enthusiasm cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months. In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.
After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globe initially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him. (No one's ever been shot at dawn for missing a weekend guard drill, but policy at the time was to put shirkers on active duty.) Indeed, when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of 1973, he requested and got an honorable discharge--eight months before his service was scheduled to end.
Bush's enemies say all this proves he was a cowardly deserter. Nonsense. He was a pampered rich kid who took advantage.[/COLOR] Why wasn't he called on it in a serious way during the 2000 election? Probably because Democrats figured they'd get Clinton's draft-dodging thing thrown back at them. Not that it matters. If history judges Bush harshly--and it probably will--it won't be for screwing up as a young smart aleck, but for getting us into this damn fool war.
--CECIL ADAMS
Just the facts. He served, he got an honorable discharge.
Now how many of you knocking him in this thread can say that?
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:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Toad
Just the facts. He served, he got an honorable discharge.
Now how many of you knocking him in this thread can say that?
ME, and I didn't get bumped to the head of any line or blow off the last 2 years of my enlistment.
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Well, there's one.
Now, put up some proof of your statement:
he hid out for 2 years to avoid the drug test
Not specualtion, not innuendo, not character assassination...
proof.
Let's see it.
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Toad - he's just peeved his mentor goron didn't win in 2000
notice there aren't any gore dolls? scared they'd be mistaken for the living breathing one :)
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Just ask your "War Hero"("Hold me back fellas, I wanna go!") why he avoided taking the drug test. Bush stated he hasn't used drugs since 1974 (Thats after his discharge, hmm)I took mine and didn't flinch when told to. You know full well that society looks at refusing a test as hiding guilt. Just refuse taking the next drug test at work. "If it's good enough for Dubya, it's good enough for me!"
I'm no Gore fan, either. But you have to give him credit for being In Country (Yes he had a skate job there, but he was there). McCain was the best candidate...did he run from his drug tests or skip out on his Duty? Dubya would have peed his silk boxers if he had to face 1/10th of what McCain did.
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Surely the refusal to take a drug test by Bush is documented, right? Outright refusal to submit to drug testing? I mean that's the sort of thing the military won't overlook.
So, where's the proof he refused?
Or are you just continuing the long tradition of libel by folks that have no proof?
Sorta like the "AWOL" charge...........
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Oh, and you should read up on McCain's early career or talk to some of McCain's contemporaries if you want to compare "favoritism from/because of Daddy" before you go to far down that road.
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:rolleyes:
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In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.)
So speculation is now considered fact by the cognoscenti?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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:rolleyes:
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:rolleyes:
Your turn again. Maybe we can make 500 in this thread.
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:rolleyes:
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(http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/contrib/geno/rotz.gif)
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:rolleyes:
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(http://smilies.crowd9.com/contrib/blackeye/GCrolleyespurple.gif)
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:rolleyes:
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I know it's naughty, but I couldn't resist it! :D
Here's the Alabama ANG version:
(http://www.blottertest.com/ah/bush.jpg)
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(http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/blackeye/GCrolleyesgold.gif)
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:rolleyes:
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"War isn't the only thing I hope to accomplish in my administration."
The Bush dollie also says that it doesn't much care what the American people think of his policies since "most of them didn't vote for me anyway."
:D
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Sorry if I don't spend my entire Saturday on the BBS (I have a life). Not showing up for a scheduled UA is considered refusal. Try it at work. ;)
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Hey, all I'm asking is for you to show a source that proves he did that. You know, like his commander taking action against him for doing that.
Should be easy for you.
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Originally posted by Toad
Hey, all I'm asking is for you to show a source that proves he did that. You know, like his commander taking action against him for doing that.
Should be easy for you.
You mean like this?
(http://www.talion.com/suspended.gif)
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... this is almost too painful to watch. :D
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In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.)
speculation
1. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
2. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
3. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.
Obviously, when it comes to Just the Facts, Jack........ you jacks don't have Jack.
It is only somewhat painful to watch someone pretend that conjecture is fact.
However, if you're now saying you accept conjecture as fact, this new standard will make for some interesting discussions.
So, can you tell me exactly why Major Bath didn't take his flight physical? After all, the record is right there in front of you. What was his reason?
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What does Bath have to do with anything?
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If you are looking for a sworn statement that says "I, George W. Bush, refused to take this drug test because I know I am a cokehead and will get busted." it does not exist. If you want a sworn statement "I George w. Bush never did cocaine." that does not exist either. In the military (in case you didn't know, did you ever serve?) refusal to take a drug test is the same as failing a drug test.
Did he refuse to to take the test? Yes, and there is the document that shows his disciplinary action taken by his CO. He disobeyed a direct order to take the test. He admitted that he used drugs in 1974 and prior to that time. Are you saying he was lying when he admitted to the drug use?
It is a fact that he didn't take the test, was disciplined for it and later discharged because of it. Just because he's Republican does not mean he didn't do it...Pull your head out of the sand. You just keep clicking your heels together and saying "There's no Prez like Bush, There's no Prez like Bush".
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Bath and Bush have the same "boilerplate" paragraph on that document.
So, tell me why Bath didn't take the test. After all, you use that to supposedly show the "proof" that Bush was "worried about failing a drug test".
So, what does it then prove about Bath? I mean, you look at that and say "see, Bush didn't want to take a drug test, and here's the proof". Look at it and tell me what it proves about Bath.
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No, it's a FACT that he didn't take his PHYSICAL. He didn't disobey a direct order to take a drug test.
Cripes, did YOU ever serve as a rated officer? I'd be afraid to guess how many guys missed their flight physical that year, Active, Reserve or Guard. Usually, it's no big deal, you just reschedule. Guys in my squadron missed their physical month for a lot of reasons. It rarely got as far as disciplinary action though. Here in one Guard squadron, you have TWO guys getting disciplinary action for it.
It is a fact that he didn't take the test, was disciplined for it and later discharged because of it.
Typical of the BS in this entire thread. He didn't take the test. TRUE.
He was disciplined for it. TRUE; disciplinary action consisted of REMOVING HIM FROM FLIGHT STATUS. Same thing would happen if you failed to get your annual checkride within the specified time. It's not an Article 15 or even anything remotely like that. YOu don't take your checkride, you don't get to fly. You don't get your altitude chamber ride/recert, you don't get to fly. You don't take your physical, you don't get to fly. This isn't a Court Martial; it's procedure. Did you know if you didn't get your required number of landing in a certain period (currency), you can't fly unless with an instructor in the other seat? Is that "disciplinary action"?
Lastly, "later discharged because of it". You follow, TRUE, TRUE with blatantly false. He was discharged.. an HONORABLE DISCHARGE which he would not have gotten if he was discharged due to disciplinary action... because he REQUESTED discharge.
Yeah, I served. NOV '73 to AUG '80, RC-135 pilot. What do you know about being a military pilot and physicals, checkrides, currency, etc?
As far as Bush, I voted for him because my other choice was Gore. It's looking like I won't be voting for him again, especially if the Dems run Clark.
But libel irritates me, so I'm in this thread.
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hmm... nah... been through all this exact same stuff with you before. I shoulda stuck with this --------> :rolleyes:
all yours rpm.
:D
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Not suprised you don't want to speculate about Bath.
Good move. When you find yourself in an indefensible position, retreat.
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tell me what it proves about Bath.
He may have been a drug user as well. But he is not POTUS, either.
it's a FACT that he didn't take his PHYSICAL. He didn't disobey a direct order to take a drug test.
The drug test was a newly added feature to the physical that year.
Typical of the BS in this entire thread. He didn't take the test. TRUE.
Yep, I'm with ya there.
He was disciplined for it. TRUE
2 for 2 so far.
Lastly, "later discharged because of it". You follow, TRUE, TRUE with blatantly false. He was discharged.. an HONORABLE DISCHARGE which he would not have gotten if he was discharged due to disciplinary action
He was sent to the disciplinary unit in Denver and seperated from service. The discharge was Honorable. You can still receive an Honorable Discharge for disciplinary seperation. Ever hear of a plea bargain? That's 3 for 3. What are we arguing about? :p
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Oh is that how you see it? Suit yourself.
"Hey, all I'm asking is for you to show a source that proves he did that. You know, like his commander taking action against him for doing that." - Toad
Well lookie here... a document showing just that. Now as much as I'm sure you want to hear all about this other character Bath's inclusion on that document and how this doesn't somehow exhonorate Bush from... oh... everything... I think I'll take a pass.
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Mmph...
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Well, using your crystal ball and given the exact same information from the document, you should be able to tell me exactly why Bath didn't take the physical. Go for it.
Missing a scheduled physical is in no way disobeying a "direct order to take a drug test." No JAG in the US military would touch that statement. Yet you try to pass it off as gospel.
The "discipline" you try to blow up into some big thing is merely a standard procedure with no adverse effect on your record. Lots of guys missed a physical. Miss your checkride, you're off flight status. It's a real reach to call this "discipline". It's really just an administrative procedure. Had he taken the physical at any later date and passed he'd have been immediately restored to flight status without prejudice.
DISCHARGES Office of the Staff Judge Advocate, Luke AFB, AZ, (623) 856-6901 (http://www.luke.af.mil/ja/justice/discharges.htm)
Honorable Discharge.
This is the highest form of discharge. This type of discharge is separation from the Air Force with honor. An honorable discharge means the person has served the Air Force well by meeting or exceeding the required standards of duty performance and personal conduct. The honorable discharge reflects to the world that the member has satisfactorily completed a commitment to military service. All veterans benefits are given to an eligible person with an honorable discharge.
"Plea Bargains" get this:
Under Honorable Conditions (General) Discharge. This is separation from the Air Force with honor, but to a lesser degree than the honorable discharge. This discharge is given when normally faithful service is marred by negative aspects of a person’s duty performance or personal conduct. Most veterans benefits are given to an eligible person with an under honorable conditions (general) discharge.
Game Over.
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who cares what happened 30+ years ago?
the man has been clean for how long since?
can you say that about our last POS POTUS & his "lets change the CURRENT drug screen checks so I can choose the ppl I like" admin?
can you say that about yourself?
bet most of you throwing stones can't ... carry on.
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Well, using your crystal ball and given the exact same information from the document, you should be able to tell me exactly why Bath didn't take the physical. Go for it.
Bath is not POTUS. Bath is not the subject...you are drifting into left field.
Missing a scheduled physical is in no way disobeying a "disobey a direct order to take a drug test."
The order may not have been direct, but it was an order. The drug test was part of the physical.
Had he taken the physical at any later date and passed he'd have been immediately restored to flight status without prejudice.
At ANY later date....but he NEVER did. Just because the discharge was Honorable does not mean he was not disciplined.In Fall 1973, as an automatic disciplinary action, Bush was reassigned to the Obligated Reserve Section in Denver, because he disobeyed orders to show up for a mandatory flight physical and therefore was unable to fulfill the last two years of his six-year obligation as an Air National Guard jet fighter pilot.
Game Over.
A whine has been recorded.
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Little socks to stuff its crotch with? :D
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Nash...
Exactly what is your opinion of your participation in this thread so far? Because from where Im sitting, you are playing the part of the tard on the schoolyard.
You know, when two guys were going to fight and they stood face to face mouthing off waiting for someone to throw the first punch, there was always some tard in the background going "well said" or "yeah" or "hahaha" or whatever.
In this thread you play that part. The tard on the yard.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Nash... Exactly what is your opinion of your participation in this thread so far? Because from where Im sitting, you are playing the part of the tard on the schoolyard.
Yup - I'd say that's a fair characterization of it. :D
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Nash...everybody hated the tard on the yard...
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NOW ya tell me? :confused:
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You use the exact same "evidence" that exists for Bath as you do for Bush. In one case you deem the man guilty of disobeying a direct order to take a drug test, in the other you seem to be unable to draw any conclusion whatsoever.
This isn't evidence of any sort. It wouldn't even meet criteria for circumstantial evidence.
And you aren't "ordered" to report for a physical. You're "scheduled", just like you're scheduled for the altitude chamber certification or a checkride in your aircraft. I never got an order in my in box saying "report for a checkride by order of the commander."
Show me where the transfer to Obligated Reserve Section in Denver was a disciplinary action. Once again, it's an Administrative function. I was automatically transferred to the Inactive Reserve with HQ in Denver when I separated. Was I disciplined?
You apparently can't distinguish between Administrative procedure and Disciplinary action.
HEADQUARTERS AIR RESERVE PERSONNEL CENTER (http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:Y4SC1ZW3TwgJ:arpc.afrc.af.mil/dpssp/ERGOGuide.doc+obligated+reserve+section&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
2. Member's who fail annual assessment will follow the same procedures as active duty members.
a. SFIP/MFIP will be monitored by the members unit of assignment or attachment.
b. Member's are authorized 4 hours of IDT every 90 days for re-assessment. Members may submit AF Form 40a for points only.
c. Member's who fail assessment after one year are referred to the commander of the unit of assignment or attachment for appropriate action. The commander may request reassignment of the member to the Obligated Reserve Section or the Non-obligated, Non-participating Ready Personnel Section.
It's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about. This is an Admin procedure, not discipline. He became unqualified and they transferred him out, in accordance with Admin procedure.
You said you served, what did you do?
Any Article 15's in Bush' file? That's about the lowest "official" record of discipline, coming after admonition or reprimand.
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whaaaaa! fediddlein spoiled brats.
And whats up with the dude hiding behind a new account? Must be all the incriminating/embarrasing performances. Thats the punk action doll.
These dorks try to call into question the service record of a man whom they cannot find any credible source to do so yet because Clinton is a noodlesucker and Gore a stiffer than stiff salamander they feel mandated to try and tear down a guy whos just too simple to be torn.
Give it up you pissing poor losers. Or find some credible, reputable evidence that is infalable. Oh thats right, You cant.
Sometimes Im amused....................
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I missed an appointment with the FAA doctor for my second class medical. Must be I was concerned about the huge quantities of illegal drugs in my system.
Either that or I just forgot.
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Well to be totally honest, I missed mine cuz I was fuggin ripped..
Northern California "wheelchair dank"
If I remember right..
But with "wheelchair dank" that's open to conjecture..
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LOL Nash
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Show me where the transfer to Obligated Reserve Section in Denver was a disciplinary action.
(http://www.talion.com/punishment2.gif) My apologies for the poor quality. All he had to do was take the physical. It was automatic disciplinary measure, i.e. when you refuse to blow in the breathalyzer for a DUI you lose your license.
You said you served, what did you do?
BM2 USCG
Just keep clicking your heels.."There's no Prez like Bush, There's no Prez like Bush..."
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I could have asked if war makes the Bush dollie sport "wood". :D
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Jeez, ya coulda just clipped the text as well.
"j. I have been advised this date regarding the provisions of DOD Directive 1215.15, 23 February 1967. I understand that I may be ordered to active duty for a period not to exceed 24 months for unsatisfactory participation as presently defined in Chapter 41, AFM 25-3. Further, I understand that if I am unable to satisfactorily participate in the ANG, and have an unfulfilled military service obligation, that I may be discharged from the state ANG and assigned to the Obligated Reserve Section (ORS) AF Reserve, Denver, Colorado, and subject to active duty for a period not to exceed a total of 24 months considering all previous active duty and active duty for training tours.
k. "However, I also understand that the provisions for invoking the 45 day tour for a member who has a satisfactory attendence record but has failed to progress in specialty training will remain in effect. (Paragraph 42.7a, AFM 35-3j"
Now, please post paragraphs A-I so we can see what this letter really says. The date of the document would be helpful as well in figuring where it fits in his career timeline. Can you show if this was after the no-show at the physical or was it before? Or was it after he went to Alabama?
It says he admits "unsatisfactory participation", that's it. There's no date and there's no paragraphs A-I that would state the nature of the problem and the documentation there of. Let's have a look at that, shall we?
While you're at it, I'd like to see the first page(s) of the letter removing him from flight status. I'm betting it says nothing about disciplinary actions and is a routine administrative message.
You might try putting a hand on each cheek, pushing hard twice and seeing if you hear a "pop" as your vision clears.
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Also, note the "subject to active duty for a period not to exceed a total of 24 months considering all previous active duty and active duty for training tours."
He went to UPT, basic pilot training. There's 53 weeks.
He went to F-102 RTU. Figure 3 months at least.
Any "two week" Guard summer duty periods would count.
He'd probably have been liable for something around 6 more months "considering all previous active duty and active duty for training tours".
His unit was phasing out the 102, IIRC. Odds of him being sent to do anything at all for six months are pretty unlikely. It wouldn't be worth processing him.
And again, this is all Admin stuff. There's no JAG involved here. You can't find a single Article 15 in his records.
So your position is simply bogus.
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Very good secret agent man. Now your up to SEVEN posts.
Go ahead, drop your drawers and admit who you are.
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:p
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You are starting to sound like a woman thats losing an arguement. You won't stop asking the same question until you get the answer you like.You wanted to see the papers I showed you the papers that are PUBLIC RECORD. You don't like what you see and say show you the papers again. Asking over and over for the same thing will get the same answer. He failed to take his physical, which included a manditory drug test. He was disciplined by having flight status removed. He quit showing up for duty, he was discharged. He has publicly admitted drug use in that timeframe.(All of which you have agreed were true) Sounds like he followed every rule in the book to me. This is becoming boring, besides all this will be hashed out in public once the campaign starts....especially if he is up against Clark or any of the Vets that did some actual combat. That will be a bottomless pit of mud. (Unlike your calm thought out arguement "Pull my head out of my arse" Oooh,Good one there Bambi :rolleyes: )Keep clickin those heels "There's no Prez like Bush, There's no Prez like Bush"
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Can't even find a date for that one, can ya?
Didn't think so.
Couldn't find the whole document in either case, could ya?
Didn't think so.
Find ANY Article 15's in Bush's record? (You do know what an Article 15 is, don't you?)
Didn't think so.
Typical of your "proof".
He lost his flight status because he became unqualified. It's an administrative, not punitive function. Been there, seen that happen. Get your blinders off.
He was given an HONORABLE discharge. That right there negates your entire hypothesis. If he had done anything shady, he'd have gotten a General Discharge. Even a Coastie ought to know that.
Your entire argument is devoid of any inkling of knowledge about how the administrative/disciplinary system works and in denial of the Honorable Discharge aspect. Most of all it is devoid of any shred of proof of your allegations.
I'm not suprised you're tired of making the argument. It's tough to make something out of nothing.
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Keep clickin those heels...:rolleyes:
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You got jack.
You got out of context clips with no dates.
You have no clue, despite being a Coastie, about disciplinary action.
You notice your "disciplinary letter" grants the "aeronautical rating of Master Nav" to two officers? Funny they're awarding aeronautical ratings in a "disciplinary" letter, isn't it?
It's an admin letter.
Keep spewing the libel.