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Title: Ignorance
Post by: Ripsnort on August 07, 2000, 08:57:00 AM
If you were talking to me yesterday afternoon/evening, my apologies for not answering ,I had to leave the terminal to take my 2 year old into the emergency room to get stitched up, he took a header into an endtable on his forehead and required 8 stitches (2 internal, and 6 external), nailed it right to the skull. Evidently he and my 4 year old were dancing in the family room(4 feet from my office) and Reilly got tripped up with footing, and down he went. He's fine now but his forehead will be alittle sore for awhile.
Bet the guy who shot me down was wondering why I was flying straight and level!

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Title: Ignorance
Post by: Kieren on August 07, 2000, 09:06:00 AM
(Those with little ones feel free to wince at this story)  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
Title: Ignorance
Post by: JimBear on August 07, 2000, 09:22:00 AM
(Those of us with grown ones are wincing also.)
Title: Ignorance
Post by: StSanta on August 07, 2000, 10:30:00 AM
Eeek, rip

Glad to hear he is fine, sounded pretty awful  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

So *that* was where you went when we had a strike on 20  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)



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Title: Ignorance
Post by: RUQWICK on August 07, 2000, 10:43:00 AM
Kids and ER is one of lifes little horror's
My oldest son when he was 5 or 6 was coming up the concrete stairs from the back yard and he triped and hit his cheak just below the eye. As the SCREEM was heard from Dallas to Houston I Lept from my Chair to see what was going on. Let me tell ya OLE CAST IRON NERVE DAD FREAKED! I got him to the ER and they stitched up ( luckly just 3 ) and My son took it like a champ. They said return in two weeks to have them removed and to keep a band aid on it. Two weeks passed and not a hitch, So I return to the Hospital with my boy in tow to have the stiches removed. Once again he took it like a pro, He sat compleatly still and not even a wimper.After It was all done My son ask if we could go to the Play ground at the Hospital. I Sure why not. Opon arival to the park his first thing was the swing. So he was swinging and goin higher and higher and then he said "DAD WATCH THIS" He Jumped out or the swing at the top of its axis. He made a perfect two point landing and he turned to see my reaction. About that time the swing came back and before i could say anything he got clobbered in the other cheek. Needless to say we had to return for a little more facial needle point.
my son is now 13 and we have made a few more trips to the ER for stiches but every time OLE CAST IRON NERVE DAD turns to Paper Plate nellie. hehe.
Kids are the true life adventure!!
Title: Ignorance
Post by: Ripsnort on August 07, 2000, 10:51:00 AM
Ruqwick, LOL!  Thanks for sharing that, so, the nervous 'shaking' I had while holding him  while trying  to stop the bleeding was normal? Good!  I feel better!

Yes Santa, thats why!
Title: Ignorance
Post by: 1776 on August 07, 2000, 11:08:00 AM
I see Rip that you live in the state of Washington.  I hope the police didn't come and investigate for child abuse.

My brother lives in Colorado and afew years back he lost his 1 1/2 year old son.  The child had a genetic defect that was very rare and was being watched by doctors all over the world.  The day of his death the police were all over their house investigating and treating the family as criminals!!!  They were in total distress!!!!    Their minister came to the house and dragged the police outside to explain.  I feel for those that have things happen to their kids as the authorities seem to think that all parents are evil and just can't wait to hurt their kids!!!

Some in our society go way overboard sometimes!!!  
Title: Ignorance
Post by: Ripsnort on August 07, 2000, 11:15:00 AM
Interesting enough, the paramedics that the neighbors called were doing alittle 'inquiry' themselves, checking out the table he bonked his head on, asking a series of questions, etc.  I didn't see any harm in that, my wife  has worked in a pediatric intensive care unit for 11 years now, and has see all aspects of child abuse....I think keys questions should be asked, as long as  they are not make accusations on the spot...this protects all parties involved.  As far a CPS goes, you know the reputation that Wash. state CPS has, I need not say any more on THAT pathetic tax-payer blunder.
Title: Ignorance
Post by: AKDejaVu on August 07, 2000, 11:38:00 AM
I was at a Thanksgiving day dinner once with a friend (while in the military).  One of his sons had a temper-tantrum at the table and threw down his fork.  The fork bounced off of the table and hit him directly in the center of his forehead where it stuck.

We could not pull the fork out of his head.  It was really in there.  Try to imagine the looks you get taking your son into an emergency room with a fork sticking out of his head.

AKDejaVu
Title: Ignorance
Post by: CavemanJ on August 07, 2000, 11:59:00 AM
been there, done that.  When my daughter was not quite 2 she thought she was ready to run.  Ran outta couch, tripped over her feet, and banged the edge of a glasstop coffee table (that was in the corner out of the traffic zones even).  3 stitches right across the bridge of her nose.

Not quite a year ago she goes running through the living and goes to hook the corner into the hall and into the bathroom.  A few minutes before she had taken off her clothes and thrown them in the floor, right next to the hall.  Foot on the clothes, feet out from under her, and forehead bangs the corner of the wall (metal corner bead on a drywall).  This time was 4.

Both times they asked what I assumed to be standard-type questions, which I think is a good idea if, as Rip said, they aren't making accusations.

Ruqwick, DJV, those sound like stories have a laugh with the kids over when they get into thier teens (or totally embarrass them in front of the friends).
Title: Ignorance
Post by: miko2d on August 07, 2000, 11:59:00 AM
 1776,
 Before you start accusing other people try for a moment imagine himself in their shoes.

 Police are not called a few times a day to the nice houseparties. They are called a few times a day to crimescenes and see several cased of child abuse every week/day. To them it is normal because that is what they see most of the time.
 Their reality differs a lot from our reality where bleeding childern are a rear accident and child abuse is something we read about in the newspapers.

 Those policemen I saw tried to be corteous even though the most polite questions will seem accusatory to a family in distress.  Remembering to respect the officers and understanding that they are not doing that for fun would help not to take offence.
 It is not easy at such times and policemen take a lot of abuse for doing their duty. Well, they are trained for that too...

 Rip,
 My sympathies for your distress. That is what you get for having childrens. When things like that happen, I start appreciating my parent's more. They do tell us things but we do not believe until we get a few stitches of our own   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

 My wife and me took a niece rollerbalading and we had to jump on the sidewalk to avoid a car. The niece tripped and my wife did not let go of her hand, so the girl hit the pavement with her face. No broken bones, but her face was a mess. Once we realised she was OK, we seriously considered kidnapping her for a few months rather then show her to the parents...

miko--

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Title: Ignorance
Post by: RAM on August 07, 2000, 12:36:00 PM
Oh, man... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) I was one of the "I want to fly" kids when I was a tiny baby. I have had any and all accidents you can imagine on a non-stoppable baby, some of them could have really had dramatic consequences...

Ripsnort, I am glad your kid is OK now  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hope you never have another thing like this happening.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Ignorance
Post by: Westy on August 07, 2000, 12:47:00 PM
 Good kids usually have no fear of anything. It's a reflection of thier healthy self confidence and also due no less to the unwavery trust that thier parent(s) will keep them safe. Every now and then they have accidents. Glad this was nothing serious Rip. Get em back up dancing!!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

 -Westy

(dad to a 3 1/2 yr old boy! and damn proud of him too. But "NO BOUNCING ON THE BED!!")
Title: Ignorance
Post by: 1776 on August 07, 2000, 01:05:00 PM
The current state of affairs is that you are guilty.  It took a 3rd party to assure the police that what had happened was expected!!

I just feel that police all over your house investigating people that have just lost a child is just plain insensitive!!

We as a people have demanded that the police act in such a way by the laws we have passed.

Do a little search about the Washington state CPS and you will get a feel of how this state thinks children are the property of the State!!  Out of control is a nice way of putting it.

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Title: Ignorance
Post by: humble on August 07, 2000, 01:10:00 PM
Glad to here all is well Rip, I don't think we get our "parent infantry badges" till that 1st ER trip. you know your a pro when you go in and tell the triage nurse "my son/daughter needs X...and your right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). I've reached that walk in/walk out comfort zone....it's all the Wheel in and get admitted traffic that makes you give an extra hug and think , their but for the grace of god....
Title: Ignorance
Post by: Ripsnort on August 07, 2000, 01:31:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by RAM:
...I have had any and all accidents you can imagine on a non-stoppable baby, some of them could have really had dramatic consequences...


That explains alot about you Ram! Just kidding!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

1776: You are correct bout W.S. CPS, sad part is, everytime they get sued, and lose, we, the tax-payers lose too, its our money. :/

Title: Ignorance
Post by: leonid on August 07, 2000, 01:35:00 PM
Rip, I get shot down straight and level a lot.  It's usually when I'm away tending to my 6 month old  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Ignorance
Post by: Dinger on August 07, 2000, 01:37:00 PM
<<--proud bearer of almost unrecognizable dent in forehead from when, at age 2, his pram departed controlled operation, necessitating 3 noggin stitches.
 
Title: Ignorance
Post by: -towd_ on August 07, 2000, 02:30:00 PM
one day i was at a ex girlfreinds crappy neibor hood apt and the kid comes to the door and says he is scared to go home . turns out stap daddy idea of punishment is to make the 7 year old ( you would be proud to have him ) kid was havin to kneel on uncooked rice for punishment ( ahh laa viet kong) his knees were a mass of blood i called the cops and child peotective services ( did not go shoot the sorry son of a squeak) in 20 min dude was gone . cops took the long way to the jail with him i hope. the boys real daddy was a nice guy and had no idea of the situation. boy ended up with his real dady ( still check on him hes 13 now) this is one situation where being guilty till proven inocent is cool with me.
Title: Ignorance
Post by: Karnak on August 07, 2000, 02:45:00 PM
S! -towd-

Good thing that he had a neihbor to turn to that had the moral courage to get involved in what is so often considered a private matter in our society.  Child abusers are the lowest scum there are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif).

Sisu
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Title: Ignorance
Post by: Ripsnort on August 07, 2000, 02:53:00 PM
Thanks for the stories, guys, I will be better prepared the inevitable 'next time'...ya know, I've had a gun pulled on me 3 times, been shot at once, beat up guys twice my size, been beat up by guys half my size, but I have never felt as much fear as I did when I saw the blood all over the face of my youngest !! Just hearing your stories makes me feel alot better!
Title: Ignorance
Post by: -ammo- on August 07, 2000, 03:33:00 PM
Rip, I got 3 boys, ages 4,5, and 7. My middle child would've just dented or broke the end table (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hard headed little boy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)


ammo
Title: Ignorance
Post by: Ripsnort on August 07, 2000, 03:35:00 PM
ROTFLOL Ammo! <S>
Title: Ignorance
Post by: CavemanJ on August 07, 2000, 04:02:00 PM
 
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Thanks for the stories, guys, I will be better prepared the inevitable 'next time'...ya know, I've had a gun pulled on me 3 times, been shot at once, beat up guys twice my size, been beat up by guys half my size, but I have never felt as much fear as I did when I saw the blood all over the face of my youngest !! Just hearing your stories makes me feel alot better!

Rip I reckon almost all parents carry that same fear with them til the day die.  Our kids'll grow up, but they'll always be our 'babies'.  I think the trick is to not let it paralyze ya into AFTER they're tended to  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)  (easier said than done sometimes, I know)
Title: Ignorance
Post by: gospel on August 07, 2000, 05:27:00 PM
Wow!  Was Mom home at the time?  When my kids cry, it's not Daddy they want, but MOMMY, of course   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) .  My wife's a nurse too, she fixes owwees, dad just fixes cars and stuff  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) .

I am reading this bbs while at work.
Maybe I should call home to just to make sure my kids are ok   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) .

I've two girls, they seem to be a litle less prone to those accidents, at least so far (crosses fingers). But just hearing about all those accidents makes me cringe :0 .



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Title: Ignorance
Post by: dbcooper on August 07, 2000, 05:29:00 PM
   Glad the little guys ok rip. Could'nt been me that got ya straight and level i'd a missed. But i'll fly straight and level for ya so you can get that kill back.....On second thought maybe i'll try some evasives i'll make it easier.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Ignorance
Post by: edog on August 07, 2000, 05:38:00 PM
Glad to hear he's ok, Rip. I've got a 4 year old myself, and constantly worry about his antics-

edog
Title: Ignorance
Post by: StSanta on August 07, 2000, 06:06:00 PM
Heh, worrying til you die?

EEEK.

<Writes down yet another reason why not to get amrried and have children>

Am I a terrible egoist or what?

Case in point; when I was about 5, I found thse big chunks of metal attached to an old car wreck. Managed to bend them loose, but cut myself quite a bit while doing so. Then I carried them to the road going through the very small town I lived on, and laind them there, on the tracks.

To my amazement, and irritation, cars avoided them somehow. Each and everyone! Now, I thought the odds for that were prety low, so I stuck my head out a little too much to see what was going on. One lady saw me, started yelling and complaining to me and ordered me to "come out of the bushes". So I did, with blood streaming down my arms.

Then that lady became very plane, very friendly and asked me where my parents were. Told me *not* to do the metal thing ever again, and took me to my parents.

Father the usual stoic calm - one look "no, does not require stitches. It requires cleaning with the stuff in this bottle here".

And that was *not* fun. Sure taught me a lesson though; do not cut yourself while ripping chunks of metal off cars  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)



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Title: Ignorance
Post by: wolf37 on August 07, 2000, 06:34:00 PM
hi all:

Rip, glad to hear all is well.

1776, try been a cop for one day and see what they go through, my father was a cop and I have two brothers that are cops. And when it comes to perants that abuse there childern, they have lots of excuses as to why it is not there fault. Remember, abusive perants to jump up and say yes i did that, they try to hide the truth and the police have to investigate. Yes the perants that have done no wrong get investigated as well, but it is better then the alternative. And that is where childern are abused and nothing is done till it is to late.

wolf37
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Title: Ignorance
Post by: RAM on August 07, 2000, 06:44:00 PM
LOL Satan...you started your "devil" actions that soon?

Guess you needed more practice to be a better (worse  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) Satan when you grew.

I see you did it fine  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Title: Ignorance
Post by: Hamish on August 07, 2000, 07:35:00 PM
First of all: Glad to hear he's gonna be okay Rip    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Second of all: Wolf, 1776 go somewher else to yap back and forth at each other. If you want to compare the relative value of child protective services, this isn't your thread  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)

Third: Funnier note, i had a similar experience with my oldest boy when he was 10 months old (precocious kid, he's almost 4 now and i dread what he's gonna do next) He's just started learning how to walk, and from there he learns how to climb up on things. My wife is in the kitchen doing the dishes, i am out at sea. Chris figures out that he can climb up on the couch using his Duplo blocks box. After he gets up on the couch, it's sloped enough that he can get on top of the Back of the couch. This is where he comes in view of my wife, where she sees him promptly learn the theory of gravity the hard way. "what goes up, must come down" The little guy broke his arm and had a cast at 10 months old. Wild kid, once he got his balance adjusted to the cast, he kept on trying to climb up on the couch! didn't slow him down an inch. This is where i look up into the sky, raise my hands and say "What am i in for next?" Naturally, my loving mother says, "Yep, he sounds Just Like You"

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Title: Ignorance
Post by: SC-GreyBeard on August 08, 2000, 03:47:00 AM
Oh things like at age 9 1/2, on his bike,, riding down a STEEP hill at an extreme angle and the front wheel collapses..  14 stiches, in three lacerations...

or riding his skateboard around a service station, and "kicking out" to avoid the car that damn near hit him.. 4 stitches, and a 1,650.00 repair and repaint to the mercedes where the skateboard hit the door....

or standing next to his little sister at age 7, (she was 3) taking a full swing with a baseball bat, not realizing that sis was in range of the followthru..     10 stitches in side of sis's head....

sis at age five taking header off of top step of porch, (there are 9 steps) I caught her at next to last step.. 10 stitches..

sis running down hall as I kick door of office closed, (arms were loaded, couldn't see her).. 3 stitches..

So girls are NOT immune in the least.

And yes, on occassions, you should call home to check on them..  tell them you love them often,, then some more.

They might not be around when you really want to tell them "later"

I lost my son at 17...

You can never tell em enuff.

and you'll always shake.  even when ya know it's not that bad... (at least later, I always had the shakes)

(and people wonder why I'm called "GreyBeard")


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Title: Ignorance
Post by: Ripsnort on August 08, 2000, 07:29:00 AM
My Mom just told me that before  I was hatched, my sister bit her tongue all the way  thru, and half way across her tongue, that's how Mom earned her "ER badge"...OUCH!!!  
Title: Ignorance
Post by: pzvg on August 08, 2000, 12:03:00 PM
Owch rip, whatta way ta learn about "relative
density" (how hard your kids heads are) my 8 year old seems to fall apart if she stubs her toe,but her 10 month old sister moves the coffee table with her head (gospel, having girls is no protection)  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Me, I think I made my folks prematurely old, since my sister and I managed to become regulars at the ER (Sis once broke my nose,but got her arm broke,parents, do NOT let your kids study Tae Kwan Do together,trust me)

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Title: Ignorance
Post by: hblair on August 08, 2000, 04:30:00 PM
Glad your kids are ok ripsnort.

On the subject of childhood injuries, my two brothers and I hold the local record for broken bones...

My younger brother phil is in 3rd place with only one broken bone, a leg (ouch)
at the age of four (i pushed him off the piano stool)

I had a broken arm at the age of 10, then at 12 I recieved my crowning achievement, a broken back! ( *#%(#*&!!!! ) actually I cracked several vertebrates falling out of a treehouse, ambulance ride, weeks in hospital, months with that uncool kneckbrace.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Then, there was my brother brian, the grand poopa of broken bones. He broke 12 (count 'em 12) bones before he was 17 years old. Yes, he is the king of bone breakers. He broke both legs and 1 arm twice.

I won't even talk about stitches.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Ignorance
Post by: Mathman on August 08, 2000, 09:13:00 PM
That's nothing... I split my head open at least once a month.  It sucks being tall.

Seriously though, glad to hear they are ok.

-math

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