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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DNME on August 10, 2003, 08:02:58 AM
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As in native trackIR support like it does in FS2002/4 and FB.
It's simply great looking around handsfree :) Meaning, like it's supposed to be.
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Nobody knows...
The question has been raised a couple of times before.
But... I wouldn't bet on it. They would have to introduce a whole new viewing system, but I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised.
jodgi
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It wouldn't be too different from the F8 view system already in place (as far as view system goes), so maybe it's possible.
I have not tried TrackIR, but it sounds great.
If you want to check your six, how far do you turn your head?
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There are many ways and techniques to get the most out of TrackIR. Some don't turn their heads but simply lean, and sensitivity can be adjusted. Most people will find a way that works for them... and it does work GREAT! I intensely recommend it!
F8 view system... (I have all my commands programmed into my stick) is that padlock?
jodgi
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Not padlock, but it's a fluid movement... a full panning view, as opposed to the Snap views with F7 (45°, 90°, 135°, etc.)
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I was lucky to try a flight with the Track IR (playing FB) when I was visiting Finland for the Mosquito Meeting.
It's extremely easy to get used to. I was able to track manouvering bandits pretty much from the time I was in front of the screen, without having to concentrate on how to move my head. Actually I was having more trouble getting use to the different stick than the Track IR.
Now with the free beer and all I can't really remember how far I had to move the head to check six (or as far as FB allows anyway), but if I was 2 feet from the screen I would guess it was done by turning my head from the center of the screen to approx. the edge. I still could see the whole screen with both eyes I remember. If I combined by both turning and leaning a bit it was less.
It's a bit like the F8 view, but the F8 view is much to slow for Track IR and you can't use the mouse to change view.
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Originally posted by DNME
As in native trackIR support like it does in FS2002/4 and FB.
It's simply great looking around handsfree :) Meaning, like it's supposed to be.
We brought this up to HT at the con ... He's not technically familar with the product, but explaining it to him seemed to peak his interest.
I would think that once AH II has flattened all its bugs/nuances, he might probably would take a look at it. The bright side ... he didn't say NO !!!
Does anybody know where to get the developmental APIs specs that one would need to write the interface ... kinda like a "Developers Pack" ?
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On the TrakIR website (http://www.trackir.com) they encourage people to ask for the SDK by writing to: trackirsdk@naturalpoint.com
Hope this helps!
jodgi
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I cant help but think that the track IR folks would be crazy but to be very helpful in getting AH support....its a built in base of hard core dweebs....Id surmise that at least 100 fools in here would consider the purchase with native support.
With the price now near $100 (what is it $130 or so...I remmeber when it was over $250)....its no longer one of those 'elite only' kind of things....the average joe can get a buck fifty together...if he wants too:D
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but what if their name isnt joe? and he's not average!
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Exactly! Like me, I'm not average at all. According to my parents and the teachers I had when growing up, I'm 'special'.
I too am very interested in TrackIR support. I've been on AH hiatus for a couple months now, waiting for something new, and this would really be a tremendous addition.
(ps, that's paid hiatus, jerkies, so no grief!)
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How far you have to turn your head depends on the trackIR speedsettings. Which everybody can set to his own preference. The faster you set the panning speeds, the less you have to turn your head to check 6. I like faster speedsettings myself.
As an example, imagine my settings as such that i can check six by looking at the left or right side of my 17" monitor while i sit about 2 feet away from it.
So i guess for me very slight real headmovment already means big virtual headmovement. But still, the sensation is as if you turn your head all the way back.
Hard to explain but it really feels like that.
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btw it can run in either 1 of 2 modes,
1. mouse emulation mode
2. enhanced mode
enhanced mode would be the preferred method because the Naturalpoint software has some extra features for this mode and it remembers which way is forward. Centre it once, and you can even leave your seat come back and it will remember which way was forward.
But i guess for enhanced mode support to be built in, it would require combined effort from both Naturalpoint and Hightechcreations.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
We brought this up to HT at the con ... He's not technically familar with the product, but explaining it to him seemed to peak his interest.
I would think that once AH II has flattened all its bugs/nuances, he might probably would take a look at it. The bright side ... he didn't say NO !!!
Does anybody know where to get the developmental APIs specs that one would need to write the interface ... kinda like a "Developers Pack" ?
Did you guys show him links to the product and the movies?
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While I was there at one point and it was mentioned, I didnt hear anyone give a web address.
However, Dale is a pretty bright guy...Im thinking that when he decides to make the jump...he will have no trouble locating it:D I mean geez....all he has to do if he has a complete brain fart is look on the message boards here....its mentioned quite regularly.
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A video of Track IR in use can be found at their website. http://www.trackir.com/sidebar/images/trackIR_big.wmv
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I just went ahead and sent an e-mail to the TrackIR people, asking them to approach the AH team with info on how to implement TIR support in AH.
They would be smart to do so.
If the absolute/enhanced mode would debut in AH, people would soon feel compelled to invest in TIR.
I don't think a little civilized e-mail campaign would hurt; just tell both the AH and the TIR gang how both sides would benefit from it.
jodgi
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Originally posted by ALF
Id surmise that at least 100 fools in here would consider the purchase with native support.
Zeb bought one a few months ago and was really looking forward to trying it..... but it wouldn't install on his PC, no matter what he did, so he never has used it.... :(
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Well it doesn't really work that well with AH as of now. Meaning it's actually crap with current mouselook in AH.
Which is a bit of a pity because i can remember at least one version of AH where it was great in mouselook, ultrafast snappy yet smooth.
Usually, installing trackIR and setting it up is a breeze, but if problems should arise i'd suggest visit the Naturalpoint site and post the exact problem and system specs. The guys over there might be able to help.
It's a bit of a waste to let it go unused, especially If you've never tried it, you can't imagine what you're missing.
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Sooooooo.....just how much of a discount would one get for that old useless piece of hardware :D :D :D
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Oh great, now we can look forward to the carpel neck syndrome. Or more real life accidents in reverse since our heads eventually will no longer twist that far.
Actually, definitely looks intriguing. Hard to improve on Aces High viewing, but if anyone can do it, HiTech and crew can.
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I just tore myself away from AH to fly IL-2 FB with TIR.
Man it's just toooo sweet!
I'm getting borderline manic just fantasizing about TIR support being built into AH.
(Ok- so i got carried away, but you all caught my drift, yes?)
jodgi
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Originally posted by DNME
Usually, installing trackIR and setting it up is a breeze, but if problems should arise i'd suggest visit the Naturalpoint site and post the exact problem and system specs. The guys over there might be able to help.
Yep, he's done all that, but it seems nobody has any clue - something in his system it doesn't like. Last resort is a fresh complete reinstall of Windows, but he is loathe to do that at the moment with all the information he has in his current setup.It's a bit of a waste to let it go unused, especially If you've never tried it, you can't imagine what you're missing.
Tell me about it! :rolleyes: :)
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Originally posted by Halo
Oh great, now we can look forward to the carpel neck syndrome.
Actually, I believe the views can be set so that you only need to turn your head very slightly, so that shouldn't be a problem. ;)
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Well i still long for the day when we all can have VR-helmets...
For christ sake what is happening in the dev-departments for the VR stuff??? they should have been able to have got an good product at an reasonable price on the gaming market by now?
Whats up with that?
Is it too bad for your eyes or what? :confused:
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Well for one, with VR helmets, you might not be able to see the keyboard.
Which btw may not be a problem for those with a true hands off keyboard capability. But typing (chat) may be problematic.
And it is still very expensive. TrackIR in its simplicity, already accomplishes an incredibly immersive feeling without the ultra high costs.