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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on August 10, 2003, 10:06:21 AM
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Sure they have mushy FM's and crappy uneven "allied vs axis" planesets with a dishonest crew running things and damage/gunnery/FM's that change on a whim and unanounced but... A squaddie that has been flying there in order to practice said that...
There are lots of good fights. There aren't many people up flying but the ones that are there are paying a lot more than us to play and they can't really steamroll or set up "missunz" so they actually seek each other out. sorta like the CT on a good day but more expensive and with worse FM's etc.
Maybe when all the timid toolshed killers leave the MA for the missun arena nirvanna things will pick up in the MA?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
we are not recruiting.. when someone dies we might send you an application but probly not because... we don't like you.
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We should be so fortunate:)
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they banana toolshed FM, and the stats prove missuns.
dark side good fights at arena is wrong, Drex is my squad mate.
doglips steamrolled, then Drex was in my squad. AH is wrong, the maps are full of stats. toolsheds aren't in my squad, but Drex is. <--- looky.
cremozs2
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Odd.. the WB crowd thinks you're a pissy whiner too lazs.
MiniD
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Gotta admit when I left a year ago there is one thing the guys over there do. That is fight. Missions were an afterthought or an end to a means. Milkrun isn't in the vocablulary.
For example, they'll set up an impromptu bomber mission and invite the bad guys to try and stop them.
HEHE, imagine that..
Just not enough of them.
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gee... guess i shouldn't have pointed out that somebodies squaddie made the worst map in AH huh?
Yeah... some of the guys in WB think I am cruel and insensitive for pointing out the obvious.
lazs
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my 2 stints in wb3 had 12 guys average online 3 in gvs 4 or 5 run the buff trainin to cap a field.
there were some who fought but they were few and far between.
Whats changed?
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Lazs, face it. In 1000 posts all the same, you've become a comical parody of yourself with this AH strat thing.
It's not even fun to goof on anymore, so that's my last one.
I'll quit at least, because you never will.
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Wow.. is that the best you can do lazs? I mean really... take a peak at what you've become here lately. Two different communities are taking pretty much the same view of you as of late. Its not everyone else lazs.
And poop... sounds alot like the CT... or any other sparcely populated arena.
MiniD
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I believe you have said that before creamo.
so... deja... everyone hates me? Oh nooo... well, I can allways change my handle I guess. I really don't mind if people hate me I just wish I would draw a better class of lazs haters. I mean you're about the best and you don't even try that hard.
lazs
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Lazs, face it. In 1000 posts all the same, you've become a comical parody of yourself with this AH strat thing.
Were laughing AT you.
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Everyone hates you? I don't hate you lazs. I just think you've become pathetic. I believe there are alot of people here and at WB with the same general view.
MiniD
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did I miss the poll or was this simply the fact that so many people love and confide in you?
lazs
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creamo... winner of the shortest never as in.... "never gonna respond to lazs again" award.
lazs
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Lazs, face it. In 1000 posts all the same, you've become a comical parody of yourself. (This endless repost seem familiar? Now you know how we feel?)
Thats not a goof, nor were the others. It's reality. You need to pay closer attension to what I said.
Im going to The Hilton car show for Hot August Nights, have fun wanking about toolsheds and your online score stats here like a mean virtual pirate, lol, you tool.
I just hope Beetle doesn't come beat you up more on the boards while Im looking at 1,000 cool
cars. (http://www.renoworld.com/classiccar.htm)
And I know, Drex is in your squad.
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Originally posted by Creamo
I just hope Beetle doesn't come beat you up more on the boards while Im looking at 1,000 cool cars. (http://www.renoworld.com/classiccar.htm)
I'm listening. I measure time by the number of "move the fields closer together" threads there have been since the jurassic era. Or the number of occurrences of the word "toolshed". ;)
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That's pretty much the way I feel about it lazs, same thing on both boards. You slam WB over on agw. You slam people who like the strat over here. Over and over and over again.
It's not that people don't understand what you are saying. It's just that some disagree with you. But you don't seem to have the ability to understand that. So in What I can only guess is your frustration, you lash out and insult people and belittle them. It's pretty sad.
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now were did that perma mute option go ???
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Originally posted by Creamo
Lazs, face it. In 1000 posts all the same, you've become a comical parody of yourself with this AH strat thing.
Were laughing AT you.
I f you don`t laugh at Humpy check for a labotmy while you were sleeping.:D
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If a man is measured by his enemies then I may be pathetic... come on guys I know I have some enemies out there that are not buffoons. All I need now to make me feel even worse is rutulant to step up to the dunce cap.
If I have any enemies worth spit I wish they would speak up in this thread and save me from low self esteem.
hot august nights is fun creamo.
lazs
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CT is waiting for you ladies
pls join us btwn 7 & 10 est as this old fart hits the hay after that..
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Nopoop, you are a good guy, I just don't understand how (or why) you do it.
Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai
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Originally posted by lazs2
Maybe when all the timid toolshed killers leave the MA for the missun arena nirvanna things will pick up in the MA?
Many hark back to the days of AW dos or AW4W when there were no real turf wars and the furball ruled...........
In fact during the twilight hours of AW3ME the FR arena had very few combatants during euro hours (50 was good). Then also the war became forgotton as no one could really move the borders and so fighters migrated to the centre of the map with a few die hard bomber pilots and furballed.
However this too became boring as you were always competing with the same folk...............
IMO to generate a furballing fighter v fighter arena you would have to come up with something to stop upping from the same fields to furball with the same people over and over being boring.
Frankly I would bet on a small arena set up with the Koth terrain with the perk point system reversed so that experten are forced into lesser planes not more uber ones. ( a sort of handicap system)
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Lazs, WB a paradise? Well, you know what they say about the door and yer backside. Be sure to drop back by every now and then to give us strat potatos the berating we deserve.
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Originally posted by lazs2
If a man is measured by his enemies then I may be pathetic... come on guys I know I have some enemies out there that are not buffoons. All I need now to make me feel even worse is rutulant to step up to the dunce cap.
If I have any enemies worth spit I wish they would speak up in this thread and save me from low self esteem.
LOL lazs! "enemies"? wtf planet are you living on?
I really believe this is your biggest disfunction. You create enemies in your mind and start some kind of war. All's fair in war right?
Get a life. Not really much more to say on the subject lazs... enjoy your war and battling your enemies. I'll continue to see you as pathetic for thinking this is the way it really is.
MiniD
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why have squads if all we do is furball......
wanna fight 1on1......go too the DA (HT made that 1 just for you laz).....
sorry but I've been having much more fun with squaddies doin whatever it is where doing.....Jabo...Goon....Deac k....CAP....Strat.....GV....G unner
there is so much more too the game then Furballing.....
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Originally posted by SLO
why have squads if all we do is furball......
wanna fight 1on1......go too the DA (HT made that 1 just for you laz).....
I think someone needs to brush up on the definition of "furball."
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by lazs2
All I need now to make me feel even worse is rutulant to step up to the dunce cap.
Enemy, no. Heckler, yes. I just happen to think your funny and enjoy provokin you.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I think someone needs to brush up on the definition of "furball."
-- Todd/Leviathn
well isn't it mindless turns and stalls....just to get picked off.....that what your sayin levi:eek:
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Originally posted by SLO
well isn't it mindless turns and stalls....just to get picked off.....that what your sayin levi:eek:
See, there you go again. Let's address this point by point.
First of all, you stated: "wanna fight 1on1......go too the DA." Furballing is not dueling.
Second, furballing is not simply "mindless stalls and turns." Grab a wingman and work on teamwork as well as situational awareness. Make a plan of attack, adjust tactics, etc. While to some it might only involve mindlessness stick yanking, that does not render the entire activity mindless. In any event, furballing is no less mindless than any other type of activity in which one engages within the MA. This is just a game after all.
Third, the thrill of furballing to many means surviving the furball. Obviously survival does not always occur, but what activity in AH short of chatting in the tower comes free of risk?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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that seems too be 'YOUR' idea of furballing levi....not mine.
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Originally posted by SLO
that seems too be 'YOUR' idea of furballing levi....not mine.
and what exactly is *your* definition of a furball?
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Originally posted by SLO
well isn't it mindless turns and stalls....just to get picked off.....that what your sayin levi:eek:
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Originally posted by SLO
that seems too be 'YOUR' idea of furballing levi....not mine.
And what I'm saying is that you incorrectly -- or rather incompletely -- define furballing. What I defined for you encompasses your definition as well identifies elements of furballing that go beyond it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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well, rut, i see mindless turns and stalls and getting picked off even in simple 1 v 2's
:D
i'd define the hamster wheel of base capture as mindless pork, auger, gangbang and vulch.
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Originally posted by lazs2
creamo... winner of the shortest never as in.... "never gonna respond to lazs again" award.
lazs
Gotta admit this was funny :)
NwBie
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quick research of the word Furball.......
furball doesn't exist in Meriam Webster....
Furball
n. 1. Any sort of confusion, snarl-up, or traffic jam; 2. An intense chaotic battle
what your talking about levi is 'PICKING' people off in furballs......
to participate in a Furball is mindless turning and stalling....
sorry lev....just don't agree with ya'z is all.
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Originally posted by Shane
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i'd define the hamster wheel of base capture as mindless pork, auger, gangbang and vulch.
Auger......if some1 in squad asking for help...yes I will auger
gangbang....what you call gangbang goes either way....you either gang or get ganged.....so whats your point?....don't want gangs....go to DA or CT
mindless pork....some see it as strategy....then ask HT to remove said fuels...or protect it better
vulch....which i prefer surpression...1st ya gotta deack...which can get complicated with laser guided acks....don't wanna get vulched....up another field
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Sorry SLO, but Levi is defining the fun part of being in a furball. I don't agree it's the only fun thing to do, but it is fun and not any more mindless than anything else in a game.
SOB
BTW...How can acks be "laser guided" when they're so incredibly easy to avoid?
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Originally posted by SLO
to participate in a Furball is mindless turning and stalling....
You just ignored the second definition you posted in favor of the first. Furballing is an intense, chaotic battle. That does not mean, however, that furballing favors mindlessness. Chaos and mindlessness aren't synonymous, you know.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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deja.. you are welcome to view me in any maner that pleases you. You are also welcome to comment anmy time yu like... I was mereley pointing out that you should look around at the company you keep. I mean..... rut? jakal... ya gotta be a little bit embarassed huh?
slo.. you will notice that the furballers seemed to pretty much dominate the 8 vs 8 AH/WB duel... when the best furballers from AH didn't show for the last rounds we got our butts kicked. I guess "mindless" means .... ability to win. "complex strat" means.... losing as slwly as possible.
lazs
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Seems to me most of the stratnoodles in AH are from AW. This game was a helluva lot more fun before AW went tits under and all those dorks invaded and conquered my fun little game.
Im thinking with AH2 all those AW stratnoodles will go to the missun uh-rena and leave the classic MA to be ruled by the real deals.
THE BETA BOYS!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by lazs2
slo.. you will notice that the furballers seemed to pretty much dominate the 8 vs 8 AH/WB duel... when the best furballers from AH didn't show for the last rounds we got our butts kicked. I guess "mindless" means .... ability to win. "complex strat" means.... losing as slwly as possible.
lazs
Excuse me ... were you there???
(after the 2nd round there were only 2 wbers left )
I thought we did pretty well considering that wb is not our game.
i never enter a furball without a plan of attack.
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Another fine whine from lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
deja.. you are welcome to view me in any maner that pleases you. You are also welcome to comment anmy time yu like... I was mereley pointing out that you should look around at the company you keep. I mean..... rut? jakal... ya gotta be a little bit embarassed huh?
I do believe the list is a little bit longer than that lazs. Either that or you have the memory of a woman.slo.. you will notice that the furballers seemed to pretty much dominate the 8 vs 8 AH/WB duel... when the best furballers from AH didn't show for the last rounds we got our butts kicked. I guess "mindless" means .... ability to win. "complex strat" means.... losing as slwly as possible.
lazs
Lose translation: The "furballers" were more than happy to fight when they had the upper hand (home court advantage) but were nowhere to be found when there was a possibility that they might be made to look bad?
Pretty amazing how you can translate "didn't show up" to mean "would have kicked bellybutton if they'd been there."
MiniD
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Originally posted by Yeager
Seems to me most of the stratnoodles in AH are from AW. This game was a helluva lot more fun before AW went tits under and all those dorks invaded and conquered my fun little game.
Im thinking with AH2 all those AW stratnoodles will go to the missun uh-rena and leave the classic MA to be ruled by the real deals.
THE BETA BOYS!!!!!!!!
Rock On with your BAD Self!!!
:)
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Ya know what? This is stupid.
Lazs or anyone else has never spoken to diminish or prevent strat guys from stratin til the cows come home....all this has ever been about is to allow some changes(whatever they might be) to take place which might allow players other than the strat guys to have fun too.
Now what we've got is some split you vs me crap taking place....it sucks.
Which one of you want to deny Lazs or myself, or anyone like minded, a lower, quicker fight? If you do, explain why?
I'm waiting.
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I have an account with WB but have not flown there in a year or more. I left when the MA died and the WWII Arena messed the WB community up.
IMHO Warbirds is dying. I say"Let it go in peace". There is no 'strat' because there are not enough players to 'strat' with. We did plenty of 'strat' back in the old, pre-3.0 MA so it's not the community, it's the numbers. Sadly, good pilots in a bad sim is sad. Laz2, if your not into 'strat' then furball to your hearts content. That is the beauty of Aces High. It gives you options. The current WB community is running out of them.
RIP Warbirds.
Hwkeye
The Flying Zoo
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Furballin seems pretty mindless to me.. you're either cherrypicking or getting cherrypicked. Go after one guy, pooch the pass, go after the next one.. It isnt real 'fighting', and success depends on how many friends you have, or how well your plane turns.. pretty dull IMO, and i DO furball when there's one large enough to blink an eye at.. (30 planes and up)
I'de rather be in a B17 en-route to the enemy base otherwise..
Don't worry though.. I'll still be there to screw things up for you furballers after AH2 comes out every now and then.
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Originally posted by Rude
Which one of you want to deny Lazs or myself, or anyone like minded, a lower, quicker fight? If you do, explain why?
I'm waiting.
Absolutely no "one" is! When you log on take the time to notice that upon loadup there is a place called the DA. If there is so many of you that won`t to do absolutely nothing but rump ranger each other and kill swap, then go to it and have a ball (:D no pun intended.....well maybe just a touch). Other than that you will just have to play in the MA as it is set up as do the rest of us. No big mystery there.
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Originally posted by Rude
Which one of you want to deny Lazs or myself, or anyone like minded, a lower, quicker fight? If you do, explain why?
I'm waiting.
You already have the opportunity to do it in the TA. Explain why you'd need to be able to find a very specific type of fight in the MA at all times... and why anything that disrupts that very specific type of fight is somehow evil and open to insult?
There are all sorts of things to do in the MA... and it's always changing. To insist that it not change because someone feels that one very specific thing shouldn't be interupted is pretty silly.
MiniD
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just another same ole same post from Mr.Condescending. Why
let it bother you , you know what he's gonna say.
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Am I the only one who loves to furball but at the same time loves to pork and vulch? Its even better to furball until it gets pushed over an enemy base so I can then begin to pork and vulch.
The best of both worlds.. Gosh I love this game.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Am I the only one who loves to furball but at the same time loves to pork and vulch? Its even better to furball until it gets pushed over an enemy base so I can then begin to pork and vulch.
The best of both worlds.. Gosh I love this game.
Nah...you are the norm. The majority try and do some of everything.
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Whatever.......
Man I used to play this game alot. I enjoyed doing a little bit of everything but the reality has been that the strat game prevents me from doing what I want to do, whatever that is. I mean, I always seem to be saying to myself "sh*t, I cant do that now" because some stratcock has disabled me from playing the game.
Lately I cant hardly be bothered anymore. I really long for air to air combat. Tanks arent done well enough to really be immersive, ships arent done well enough either....the bomber model lethality is too fu*cked up to enjoy anyway so what left for me but ACM and some dork has me down to %25. Fu*k it. Gettin tired of it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
deja.. you are welcome to view me in any maner that pleases you. You are also welcome to comment anmy time yu like... I was mereley pointing out that you should look around at the company you keep. I mean..... rut? jakal... ya gotta be a little bit embarassed huh?
slo.. you will notice that the furballers seemed to pretty much dominate the 8 vs 8 AH/WB duel... when the best furballers from AH didn't show for the last rounds we got our butts kicked. I guess "mindless" means .... ability to win. "complex strat" means.... losing as slwly as possible.
lazs
It would seem, your referring to a duel, NOT a furball. Just ask Lev.
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Originally posted by Rude
Ya know what? This is stupid.
Lazs or anyone else has never spoken to diminish or prevent strat guys from stratin til the cows come home....all this has ever been about is to allow some changes(whatever they might be) to take place which might allow players other than the strat guys to have fun too.
Now what we've got is some split you vs me crap taking place....it sucks.
Which one of you want to deny Lazs or myself, or anyone like minded, a lower, quicker fight? If you do, explain why?
I'm waiting.
Indeed, stupid it is. However I disagree with your defense of Lazs. When every time one posts on the subject, that post contains words and phrases that are meant primarily to belittle and insult those of "the other side".... then you can, and should expect to be taken to task in the Me vs You arena. It aint about strat vs fur, it's about poor social skills. Lazs thrives on it... so lett'em have it.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Am I the only one who loves to furball but at the same time loves to pork and vulch? Its even better to furball until it gets pushed over an enemy base so I can then begin to pork and vulch.
The best of both worlds.. Gosh I love this game.
The big maps do tend to remove the fur... gotta admit that. I like it all too. Big maps tend to make me bored, thank-god for Operation Flashpoint :)
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Alright, I’ll end the madness now.
Too many people use the AH General Forum to stage condescending opinions on HTC’s MA Gameplay setup. IF it was so important to change the Gameplay, they’d use the proper forum, but it’s not about that at all. It’s about using the General Forum for the biggest audience to talk about how they play the MA, and how they want to make a virtual persona that’s better and badder than the next guy if they dogfight rather than choose to play one of the many different rolls the MA provides.
Maybe I’m wrong and the MA is so porked the furballers would have 100 per hour killed like a UT spaceship map fragfest, but I doubt it. Seems like a bunch of unnecessary self crank yanking.
Of course it sounds ridiculous, but it’s pretty clear that’s what’s happening. And it’s not the bomber squads that are clogging the General Discussion with why they are so superior and all knowing how HTC should run their game.
I have no doubt the guys like DMF that excel at furballing have good SA, don’t need a “Go to the DA 1v1” response for the MA gameplay arguments, or have to go there to prove themselves, and why should they? They pry loathe situations in the MA when depleted or reduce fuel impede the furbal on the bigger maps. It still doesn’t make the MA any less flawed, nor has Hitech and Pyro seemingly needing a Friday 5:00pm thinktank on how to remedy the gameplay.
Matter a fact, my boring and less impressive time per kill stats as I hunt the bombers that pork the fuel, may even help the guys that like furballing and burning circles into their monitors. It's part of the MMOG game.
I am twice as guilty of goofing on folks in the Off Topic to get a rise out of them, but this consistent attack on the AH gameplay is getting silly. It serves a juvenile purpose for a few, but as a whole it’s getting to be a pain in the ass. People are starting to believe the drivel simply by it's repetition, and that don't make it true.
Find a new cause to pursue.
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tumor.. so after all that you admit that the design of the big maps prevents action (furballs)? thank you why bother with the rest? rudes defense of me was accurate. In no way do I advocate destroying anyone elses gameplay unless it is lopsided (one guy able to ruin the fun of d9ozens with no skill involved... the atom bomb gameplay).
deja... the "list" I guess someone as cheerful and lacking in condencending attitude as yourself would have a throng of players confiding in him so if you say everyone thinks I am pathetic then it must be so. oh well.
creamo.. if there were opportunity for furballs in the MA again then there would be... people tend to do waht is fun in a GAME unless forced to do otherwise by lack of choice or lacking self esteem so that they join some huge strat" squad and give themselves military rank. If the game allowed furballs then most would participate out of choice tho and the strat guys would be screaming blood y murder (as has happened in the past) that "nobody wants to play the game right"... they would ask for ways to LIMIT choice so that people were forced to play with em... their moms did it for em when they were kids and they want HTC to do it for em now.
And that is the difference... my goals are unselfish and noble and all about parity and choice while the evil, hive like and deformed strat guys are the enemies of fun and choice. laughter and meeriment cause them physical pain... seeing individuals leave the hive causes them pain.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
King of all Noble Furballers
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Originally posted by lazs2
then most would participate {in furballs} out of choice
Whilst in sympathy with your objectives in part.........I am not sure that this assumption is actually true.................
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tilt...the cv's and close fields on the map have good furballs all the time if they have resources... if there were more close fields/cv's with resources there would be more furballs... those running "missuns" would still do it but they would get less participation from guys who had absolutely nothing else to do on the map. A lot of the guys would be too bz to even read the text buffer.... right now it is turning into a chat room.
lazs
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creamo.. if there were opportunity for furballs in the MA again then there would be... people tend to do waht is fun in a GAME unless forced to do otherwise by lack of choice or lacking self esteem so that they join some huge strat" squad and give themselves military rank. If the game allowed furballs then most would participate out of choice tho and the strat guys would be screaming blood y murder (as has happened in the past) that "nobody wants to play the game right"... they would ask for ways to LIMIT choice so that people were forced to play with em... their moms did it for em when they were kids and they want HTC to do it for em now.
And that is the difference... my goals are unselfish and noble and all about parity and choice while the evil, hive like and deformed strat guys are the enemies of fun and choice. laughter and meeriment cause them physical pain... seeing individuals leave the hive causes them pain.
God bless your claim to sobriety, but there is just no way I can believe it.
OR your just a strange sumsqueak.
Lol, you don't take any medication at all? Things that make you noble and unselfish to your "enemies" on a bbs?
:eek:
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Originally posted by Yeager
Seems to me most of the stratnoodles in AH are from AW. This game was a helluva lot more fun before AW went tits under and all those dorks invaded and conquered my fun little game.
Im thinking with AH2 all those AW stratnoodles will go to the missun uh-rena and leave the classic MA to be ruled by the real deals.
THE BETA BOYS!!!!!!!!
sorry but this I don't accept.....
If you ever played AW dipchit you would now that all we did was FURBALL.....did it for 4 years.....came here and said WOW!....look....something diff. then Furballing.
Levi, there is NO real definition to the word FURBALL.....again what you say is what YOU think furball means....not me.
did ya ever look at a cat coughing up a FURBALL.....all the hair inter-twined in chaotic fashion.....thats a where the reference of FURBALL comes from....
what you see is a tactic or strategy entering a furball.....my definition is cherry picking or perching.....agree or disagree....we just don't have the same perceptions....
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creamo... let's just say I take that stuff less seriously than the guys who give themselves military rank take their rank. "King of all Noble furballers" was thrust upon me.... "Public Relations Officer of the BK's" was self imposed but highly deserved... "enemies" is equal to "red guys" All the derogatory terms for strat guys are simply common sense and..... descriptive.
lazs
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Lazs-
What your doing on a daily basis on this BBS is bad for the community and bad for the game.
Continue your personal crusade for the game you so desire, by all means. But as I've said many times, your personal attacks, snide comments, followed by the babe in the woods "Who? Me?" attitude has reached a point where it is no longer entertaining, and simply annoying.
You are doing nothing but causing a greater rift within the community in this game, and that is not contructive for good gameplay.
I seriously urge you to rethink your attitude toward other people who play this game, whether or not they agree with you, or play with your style.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Whatever.......
Man I used to play this game alot. I enjoyed doing a little bit of everything but the reality has been that the strat game prevents me from doing what I want to do, whatever that is. I mean, I always seem to be saying to myself "sh*t, I cant do that now" because some stratcock has disabled me from playing the game.
Lately I cant hardly be bothered anymore. I really long for air to air combat. Tanks arent done well enough to really be immersive, ships arent done well enough either....the bomber model lethality is too fu*cked up to enjoy anyway so what left for me but ACM and some dork has me down to %25. Fu*k it. Gettin tired of it.
WTF you doing here then:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lazs2
tilt...the cv's and close fields on the map have good furballs all the time if they have resources...
agreed......we quite often see furballs as creamo said........we also see a lot of fighter v fighter stuff from jabo strikes meeting defenders.
Quite often I think folk want to maximise their enjoyment by combining a successfull jabo run with a bit of a furball after wards..........(two jobs well done bring enjoyment) we also IMO see reluctant furballs where the jabo run was the sole intent and now he/she wants to run back to safety.
We cant attrit a Cv's fuel and you have to be some what suicidely inclined to try a lone jabo run on one...........hence cv's sort of prove your point re the effects of resource and proximity.
You assume that once this (resource and proximity) is provided the majority will want to furball...............its this assumption that I would challenge................ most want a bit of every thing IMO.
Even Cv's eventually (thru naval gun fire) pork the coastal fields they attack............prior to flooding it with LVT's
The furball is IMO a phase of the attack/defence cycle of any field.
It comes into play most when the numbers are roughly in balance and both sides are striving for air superiority over the target field or even the air space between two such fields it is a means to an end and it brings with it the enjoyment of acm in a (hopefully) balanced air to air conflict.
We see what happens when imbalance occurs (either thru porking or thru massive missions)......... the furball is eliminated and a side moves almost directly to the capture phase.
Your proximity debate (in general) is actually a resource one IMO. (although big isle does have some bases toooo far apart IMO) If a front line base is porked a closer 2nd line base can be used to supply a defence. Hence the defensive counter strike is viable even against massive missions and a furball ensues.
OK but we then risk the perpetual furball phase and the jabo/capture/carpet attrition becomes eliminated/reduced (unless a side has resources to massively pork many rear fields) This would not be acceptable to many (even most) of our players.
In fact the ideal situation is one where even if the furball phase is over in one location it is ongoing in another. Much as Citibria promotes in another thread (make your own furball)
In my view the terrain designer must strive to balance all this. He/she cannot apply too rigid a formula because he/she wants variety throughout the map
We will all have various opinions on the mix of game play we wish to see (yes this thread should be elsewhere) and it is heavily influenced by the terrain design.
But I do believe it is a balance that has to be struck.
I do not believe it is possible to make a perfect furball and a perfect strat map in one.
I do believe it is possible to optimise. (trinity and baltic are pretty close IMO)
I do believe there is much that can be done re porkage without detracting from game play.
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Originally posted by lazs2
creamo... let's just say I take that stuff less seriously than the guys who give themselves military rank take their rank. "King of all Noble furballers" was thrust upon me.... "Public Relations Officer of the BK's" was self imposed but highly deserved... "enemies" is equal to "red guys" All the derogatory terms for strat guys are simply common sense and..... descriptive.
lazs
No one thrust "King of All No Ball Furbals" on you. You made that up like the "enemies" you think are here in a message board. You think people care enough to make you an enemy or something? Your nuts.
Your "Public Relations" officer was clever and funny when you used common sense and fun banter posting way back. Now you just rant and yank about gameplay post, after post, after post.
Never has a AH character from these boards ever gone so off the deep end so fast. You sound like a dork. A consistent, repetitive dork.
Just saying.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Absolutely no "one" is! When you log on take the time to notice that upon loadup there is a place called the DA. If there is so many of you that won`t to do absolutely nothing but rump ranger each other and kill swap, then go to it and have a ball (:D no pun intended.....well maybe just a touch). Other than that you will just have to play in the MA as it is set up as do the rest of us. No big mystery there.
For you to tell me to go to the DA only speaks of how little you understand what I've said and that you could care less in the event you do.
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Originally posted by Mini D
You already have the opportunity to do it in the TA. Explain why you'd need to be able to find a very specific type of fight in the MA at all times... and why anything that disrupts that very specific type of fight is somehow evil and open to insult?
There are all sorts of things to do in the MA... and it's always changing. To insist that it not change because someone feels that one very specific thing shouldn't be interupted is pretty silly.
MiniD
So you too think that anyone who does not enjoy drivin boats, GV's and buffs should just go to the TA or DA....nice work.
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I don't see them here pissing an whining about everyone else ruining their fun rude. Maybe if they were complaining about everyone around them, I'd suggest that they get away from a situation where people are around them too.
Seems to me they are a tad bit better at knowing that the vehicles are a part of the game, not the only thing in the game.
Carry on.
MiniD
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creamo... someone who claims they will never respond again to someone else and then does three or four times in 24 hours is what I would consider a dork. someone who posts drunkenly or claims to be drunk and unintellegebly is what I would call a dork. you used to be kinda funny but now you are just the town drunk gone mean and irrelevant. Kinda..... dorky.
muck..... Think about it.. How can I cause a "rift" in the community. How can I be 'bad" for gameplay? It is the other way around.... bad gameplay is what causes a rift in the community. Not even bad gameplay so much as unbalanced gameplay. the action crowd and the walter mitty crowd will allways be in this sim... they need to co-exist. Every suggestion I have made would further that cause. A lot of the strat sis... er... guys suggestions further the rift. Certainly, I may have shown a lack of understanding or, more accurately, compassion for the effeminate "feelings" of some players who do not like descriptive terms if they are derogatory but.... Hey... I'm a furballer.
more choice is better... parity of results is better... If you can have too large an effect on other players with very little effort then that is bad. That will cause your "rift".
lazs
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Originally posted by Yeager
Seems to me most of the stratnoodles in AH are from AW. This game was a helluva lot more fun before AW went tits under and all those dorks invaded and conquered my fun little game.
Im thinking with AH2 all those AW stratnoodles will go to the missun uh-rena and leave the classic MA to be ruled by the real deals.
THE BETA BOYS!!!!!!!!
Seems to me the loudest whiners are the AH 'Beta Girlz..err Boyz'.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by lazs2
muck..... Think about it.. How can I cause a "rift" in the community. How can I be 'bad" for gameplay? It is the other way around.... bad gameplay is what causes a rift in the community. Not even bad gameplay so much as unbalanced gameplay. the action crowd and the walter mitty crowd will allways be in this sim... they need to co-exist. Every suggestion I have made would further that cause. A lot of the strat sis... er... guys suggestions further the rift. Certainly, I may have shown a lack of understanding or, more accurately, compassion for the effeminate "feelings" of some players who do not like descriptive terms if they are derogatory but.... Hey... I'm a furballer.
lazs
"Hey, I'm a furballer?" I'm sorry, but I know better furballer's than you and they have alot more class. Don't slap a label on yourself and lead everyone to believe that all furballers share your condescending attitude. It's an insult to many fine players.
You know as well as anyone what causes friction in the community. Constantly harping on the same subject causes problems within the community. Constantly berating other players causes ill-will between the 2 groups. Look at your above post. The very same thing could be said without using derogatory comments. You constantly attempt, and have succeeded to a certain extent, in polarizing a good community.
But that's alright, Lazs. I realized long ago, your primary goal through these posts is to get a rise out of people. You love to illicit an angry response from people so you can sharpen up your verbal sparring skills. Hell, even this BBS is a furball to you.
But you know what? People here have recognied you for what you are.
So please continue to belittle other paying customers of HTC. I'm sure the company that produces the game you so love appreciates you alienating it's customers.
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I said I would not goof on you again. I'm not, just saying what you sound like and have become.
Your the one that claims sobriety but sounds all belligerent with your insistent weird gameplay cause posts. Not sure if I was drunk and sounded so stupid would be better or worse.
Don’t matter. Every time you yank about toolsheds and gameplay in the General Forum, well, it’s been discussed what you are perceived as.
Have fun.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I don't see them here pissing an whining about everyone else ruining their fun rude. Maybe if they were complaining about everyone around them, I'd suggest that they get away from a situation where people are around them too.
Seems to me they are a tad bit better at knowing that the vehicles are a part of the game, not the only thing in the game.
Carry on.
MiniD
What you may or may not know is this....I'm not new to this type of game....been doin it along time. Seen alot as you may have also.
I fail to see why me asking for tweaks which would allow me to enjoy myself in any way threatens you or others like you....you guys jump in with this, no....there can be no other way than ours, attitude and it is to that that I find the need to repeat myself.
I have never once wanted anything added or changed that would prohibit the gamplay of anyone else.
Seems not too long ago that the strat guys asked for changes to be made...posted there ideas and concerns and guess what? They got their new toys. Now, thru the advent of these new enhancements, issues have arisen which hinder the gameplay of those of us from a different camp....specifically, the porking of fuel relative to the effort to re-supply that same fuel.
I believe someone here said that to cure the actions of one single flight by a hvy fighter, we must now take 10 rides ina c47 to restore the loss....you good with that?
Middle ground is what is needed here...just seems that no one is willing to explore what would bring us there. It's like, hey man...I'm havin fun and the game is great for the way I play it, so take a hike.
Well, I'll leave when I decide to leave...you or anyone elses mandates won't be relative. Dale knows all to well how this little world of ours plays out....to date, I have followed his efforts because he produced the best....I see no reason to believe that his next effort will not provide more of the same. However, if it falls short for me personally, then I'll make a choice much like I did when I started playing these games back in awdos.
It's not the end of the world, but it is a game which I have enjoyed for many years....it is because of that enjoyment that I have struggled to keep what part of the game I myself have enjoyed the most, that being air to air combat.
Last night, I looked at the map and everywhere you looked, each country was milkrunnin empty bases with huge hordes of players....no fights, just grabbin undefended land. Now if this is the future of AH, then my future lies chasin the white ball.:)
I've said enough....it's clear to me that my notions are secondary to that small minority that inhabits these boards....this whole thing has been one giant exercise in futility.
You win....in the meantime, I wait for AH2.
Later!
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Originally posted by jamusta
Am I the only one who loves to furball but at the same time loves to pork and vulch? Its even better to furball until it gets pushed over an enemy base so I can then begin to pork and vulch.
The best of both worlds.. Gosh I love this game.
I'm the same way too. I love shooting down other planes just as much as I do dive bombing in a Stuka.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Rude
Now if this is the future of AH, then my future lies chasin the white ball.:)
I can think of volleyball, softball, golf, pong, the turn coordinator in a civ sim, and a drug reference I'm sure you have no idea of... I'm gonna guess golf.
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"Seems to me the loudest whiners are the AH 'Beta Girlz..err Boyz'. Ack-Ack"
While AH has always had smack talkers, trash spewers, HO dorks, and those who whined about HO dorks I'd have to say that prior to the huge influx of players from AW the AH players didn't have the now all too common suicide bombing and high-speed P-51 base/fuel porkers.
A lot of factors go into why AH gameplay is where it's at lately. The AW players are not the only reason but they are just one, if not the, biggest imo.
BigPORK. It got that name for many reasons.
Regardless. It's time to figure how to fix it or where to go if the majority don't thing things are "broke."
Westy
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Woohoo! it's all AW's fault! :D
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Woohoo! it's all AW's fault! :D
Rutt...
There is some validity to what Westy is saying. The suicide mentality that is in the MA these days was no where near as prevelant prior to the influx of ex AWers. Guess what? I'm an ex AWer. Played for 12 years. Was a contract empolyee of Kesmai for 6 of those. I left about 9 months before they shut the doors. I left for personal reasons (buy me a 6 pack and I'll tell yah about it sometime :D).
The point is that after years of seeing the suicide pork dweebs in AW, it was refreshing to come here. A place where accomplishing the mission and surviving seemed to go hand in hand. Hell, I never saw a bish suicide tiffy raid before the closing of AW (you know..20 tiffies at 20k...porked base...no survivors hehe).
Truth is that it isn't the fault of AW or AH. It is simply the gamer mentality of some players. I know from experience that attempts to force a different style of play will too often impact the game in unforseen negative ways. Hence, I accept suicide dweebs and move on :).
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Originally posted by Nash
I can think of volleyball, softball, golf, pong, the turn coordinator in a civ sim, and a drug reference I'm sure you have no idea of... I'm gonna guess golf.
You guessed correctly....unlike my skills in this game, I can walk on a golf course after years of absence, and still shoot in the mid 80's.
Of course my wife might have something to say about being gone all those hours:)
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Rutt...
There is some validity to what Westy is saying. The suicide mentality that is in the MA these days was no where near as prevelant prior to the influx of ex AWers. Guess what? I'm an ex AWer. Played for 12 years. Was a contract empolyee of Kesmai for 6 of those. I left about 9 months before they shut the doors. I left for personal reasons (buy me a 6 pack and I'll tell yah about it sometime :D).
The point is that after years of seeing the suicide pork dweebs in AW, it was refreshing to come here. A place where accomplishing the mission and surviving seemed to go hand in hand. Hell, I never saw a bish suicide tiffy raid before the closing of AW (you know..20 tiffies at 20k...porked base...no survivors hehe).
Truth is that it isn't the fault of AW or AH. It is simply the gamer mentality of some players. I know from experience that attempts to force a different style of play will too often impact the game in unforseen negative ways. Hence, I accept suicide dweebs and move on :).
Heyas NB:)
I just want to say that I love you all....especially creamo as evidenced by my call to his local Health and Human Resources office.....hang in there man....professional help is on it's way.:)
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Originally posted by Rude
You guessed correctly....unlike my skills in this game, I can walk on a golf course after years of absence, and still shoot in the mid 80's.
If this is true... I have decided to hate you
that is all!
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I saw AKAK in a panzr... I was SHOCKED SHOCKED I say. But anyways I can see where both side are coming from. The fact is while there maybe a great furball in the area people from both sides are going to try and end it. How it ruins the fun is when someone porks the fuel along the whole front line. So you can always try to do what I do and take out there ammo bunkers and barracks. Taking out fuel without bombs takes a little more time. I will attemp to take out the fuel at the base that is the immediate threat although I will not run from a fight to get there.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If this is true... I have decided to hate you
that is all!
Don't hate me because I'm beauti....wait a minute....that's not right.
Mid 80's is not difficult for me....turning that corner tho requires 2-3 times a week for several months....even then, I have to play regularily to maintain.
I bet I know what the problem is with your game....you took lessons and try to take a text book swing. I bet I could take 5 strokes off your game with an hours instruction.
My first time on a golf course I shot a 98....wasn't a month before I was in the 80's....then it happened. I took lessons.
That alone screwed my game up terribly. Golf is 60% mental and the rest is done with the bod. I stood over the ball with 20 thoughts racing thru my head....it sucked.
The best thing to do is to allow your body to swing the club naturally...forget about what your pro told you. Grip is vital, the rest your body has to do naturally.
I could go on and on...I'll spare you:)
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blatant highjack.....
Actually I never had a lesson in my life, but I also play very seldom (2x this year). I shoot mid to high 90's. Time and money, time and money.
I played with a buddy (a very good golfer) on Friday up in Portland, and he told me I had a very good swing. Broke 100 with his old clubs. :)
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Originally posted by jamusta
I saw AKAK in a panzr... I was SHOCKED SHOCKED I say.
Which just goes to show that if I can get outside of my P-38 once in awhile and enjoy some of the other parts of the game, it shouldn't be hard for others to do the same. Unless they just like to whine, which I'm sure that a certain few like to do here, since that's all they seem to do.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Rutt...
There is some validity to what Westy is saying. The suicide mentality that is in the MA these days was no where near as prevelant prior to the influx of ex AWers.
The point is that after years of seeing the suicide pork dweebs in AW, it was refreshing to come here. A place where accomplishing the mission and surviving seemed to go hand in hand. Hell, I never saw a bish suicide tiffy raid before the closing of AW (you know..20 tiffies at 20k...porked base...no survivors hehe).
Truth is that it isn't the fault of AW or AH. It is simply the gamer mentality of some players. I know from experience that attempts to force a different style of play will too often impact the game in unforseen negative ways. Hence, I accept suicide dweebs and move on :).
Personally, I didn't see the Pork 'N' Auger runs in AH until I had witnessed a Fariz led mission where almost an entire flight of Typhoons porked and augered the field I just took off from. I have though noticed a decline in decent fights since I've started AH (started on that tail end of v.1.07). At least to me, the decline started when HT started that shoot-out competition. Ever since then the quality level has seemed to decline. That I attribute to the 'gamer' mentality more than towards anyone from another game.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by lazs2
tumor.. so after all that you admit that the design of the big maps prevents action (furballs)? thank you why bother with the rest? rudes defense of me was accurate.
Yes... never denied that to my knowledge. I don't whine about it, I log off or find some other way to enjoy the game. But, honestly, I see no reason to attempt to explain, offer alternatives or reason with the you. It's pointless.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Rutt...
There is some validity to what Westy is saying. The suicide mentality that is in the MA these days was no where near as prevelant prior to the influx of ex AWers. Guess what? I'm an ex AWer. Played for 12 years. Was a contract empolyee of Kesmai for 6 of those. I left about 9 months before they shut the doors. I left for personal reasons (buy me a 6 pack and I'll tell yah about it sometime :D).
The point is that after years of seeing the suicide pork dweebs in AW, it was refreshing to come here. A place where accomplishing the mission and surviving seemed to go hand in hand. Hell, I never saw a bish suicide tiffy raid before the closing of AW (you know..20 tiffies at 20k...porked base...no survivors hehe).
Truth is that it isn't the fault of AW or AH. It is simply the gamer mentality of some players. I know from experience that attempts to force a different style of play will too often impact the game in unforseen negative ways. Hence, I accept suicide dweebs and move on :).
NB it's the influx of totally skilless under 45 year olds that has ruined this game:}:}:}:}:D
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Funked had it in another thread, in which he listed what he missed about WB.
$2/hour keeping all the tards out.
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Ummm rude... this isn't the thread to try to make a "furballers are being assaulted every time they speak up" stand. You may want to re-read the first post again.
Wanting something changed is one thing... insulting everyone else while asking for it is another thing all together. Trying to turn a thread that started on insults into a rational discussion is pretty futile.
Basically... not as much what you are saying but where you are saying it. Plus that "why don't you say this to GV drivers" statement was pretty ****ing typical. Sorry you didn't like the typical answer and sorry you can't see the difference.
MiniD
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I HAD SIX KILLS !!
But the "landed" buffer said 4...
The snorkel never made it out of the closet..
My lady laughed at me..
..someones gonna pay..
Oh..
wrong thread..
What Rude said.
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MiniDick giving lessons on BBS behaviour. Hilarious.
yowser
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I've only been flying AH for a week now, so I suppose my perspective doesn't count for much.
But I flew AW for a long time before burning out. At one point I remember a discussion like this where some folks were lamenting 'the olden days' when things were better, while complaining about the new folks who were ruining the game.
A gent named Blue Baron answered with a lengthy post, which I wish I'd kept. His message in essence was that everyone has their 'golden time' in the game, before it evolves, as it must with new people and new ideas.
I'd been part of one of those later waves that the old timers blamed for 'ruining' the game, yet my 'golden time' in AW was wonderful even though that same time apparently was miserable for others.
Then it got miserable for me and like many before me I blamed this that and the other thing for what was 'wrong' with the game.
Could it be that it's all part of the natural evolution of the game and the ongoing influx of new people that the game needs to survive and grow?
I'd not flown for a long time, and I've had a blast in the last week. Yep I suck at the game and am dying a lot, but I'm enjoying myself. Hopefully I'll continue to feel that way, and like the oldtimers now, maybe I'll contribute something to the game over time, and then get to the point where I can grumble and complain and blame the new folks for making my game miserable?
Dan/Slack
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Never thought I'd see the day a Nomad makes some sense. Glad to see you finally made it back to the unfriendly skies +Tiff
ack-ack
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Originally posted by lazs2
And that is the difference... my goals are unselfish and noble
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
King of all Noble Furballers
:D ............................. .....no wait..........errrrrrrr...... .........here:eek: .........and Good Golly Miss Molly.
I deem the Noble Knight Humpy. Mount thy steed,(in your case an ankle will do), and go forth to frolic hither and yon in the land of Rump Ranger.
Is it OK if Arnold uses this line in his campaign?
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I'm with Lazs, Rude, and Yeager here. I went through the phase where I got burned out with fighters. So I tried bombers.
"Hey, this is pretty fun, watching a formation of B17s blow big chunks out of factories." But then you start thinking... well... what did I actually do there? Take off, go AFK to smoke, make a sandwhich, eat said sandwhich, smoke again, take a ****, smoke again, come back, calibrate the bombsite, drop the bombs, turn around, go AFK to smoke again, come back, and land. Whats the point? Blowing up the factory doesn't seem to do a damn thing, as far as I can see. I actually prefered the old setup with just the cities and HQ, where bombers could actually have an effect on gameplay. Plus, I enjoy shooting down bombers, so defending a city or HQ was a fun sortie. Now don't get me wrong, I don't dislike bomber pilots. In fact, I wish there were more that actually flew non-suicidally. I'd love to see squad-sized missions of B-17s pasting some field from 15,000 feet. That said, nobody is going to use bombers for the simple reason that they are inefficient. Instead of taking 20 flights of B-17s, you can take 20 Tiffies and blow up all the fuel, the VH, and the town and take the field (and the 3 or 4 guys that don't auger get a nice vulch if someones stupid enough to try to keep upping). Anyway, I decided bombers just weren't doing it for me.
So I tried GVs.
"Hey, this aint bad either... shooting planes with the main gun is kinda fun!" Yea, I know, I'm a 1337 ]-[@X0r. Well, dammit, it was fun anyway. Of course, then you shoot some M3 with 18 AP rounds and it doesn't die, and then it shoots your Panzer and blows it up. Thank God they fixed that one anyway. Still, little things like getting blown up by strafing Spitfires, losing the tracks on a Tiger and shaking so bad I almost went into sympathetic convulsions, consistantly weird things happening in tank to tank combat, the miracle 37mm manned ack that can drop Tigers and Panzers like nobodies business, and other assorted peevs that I can't think of off the top of my head sort of ruin the GVs for me. If the GVs didn't seem so much like a tacked-on afterthought then there might really be an alternative to fighters for me in this game. As it stands now, a sizable proportion of the time I log in, see either no fights at all (usually earlier in the day, when you get 70 people on and 40 different bases getting milkran), or see 3 attacks of 100 people vs 2 defenders, which is no fun anyway. Or on some rare occasions you'll see what looks like a decent fight, so you check the closest field. Damn.. fuels porked. Well, lets check this one. ****... fuels porked here too. Well... this is an outside shot.... Golly-geeN, they porked it here too?! Guess I'll hit the gym a little early today.
I think the era of Lazs "noble furballer" is coming to a close. For whatever reason, people don't like to actually fight. I'm not pointing any fingers or calling anyone any names, because it seems that the people who do enjoy just fighting for fighting's sake are a very very small minority on this BBS (which is in itself a very small minority of AH players). It would be stupid of HTC to make decisions that imperil the "fun" of the vast majority of the subscribers to cater to a few dozen people. I honestly don't think the game will change much from here on out, it has entered into the final "stage" of its evolution. AH2's arena might be something different, it would be hard for me to make any guesses.
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Urchin!!! Stay away from bombers, all that extra smokin's gonna strip 10 more years off ya life!
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> Seems to me most of the stratnoodles in AH are from AW.
Hmmmmmm,..... that's sad to hear... Care for a milkdud>?
>This game was a helluva lot more fun before AW went tits under
Excuse me>? kleenex?
>and all those dorks invaded and conquered my fun little game.
Sorry that we pay HTC money to help afford the progress in game programming, damn we suck.
>Im thinking with AH2 all those AW stratnoodles will go to the
>missun uh-rena
Translated:
With the mass influx of pilots who come equiped with sim experience, my kill ratio has dipped drastically. And now I've gone from a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a big sea. It was more fun when I didn't have to worry about a equal ars-whuppin.
Damn! I wanted them to all be mindless newbies.
>THE BETA BOYS!!!!!!!!
Translated:
We were here first, we were here first.
NEEENERSS!!!
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Well, we were there first, which is why this game is here now.
NEEENERSS!!!
Animal
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muck... if there was no truth to what I say then I couldn't possibly cause "animosity" or a "rift". I am not causeing these things I am pointing them out. the reason there is such a reaction is because they are obvious and will come out anyhow. If you know you are a timid, untalented sky accountant who craves attention but thinks no one notices... you will be furious when someone mentions it... if you aren't you will either be puzzled or amused.. for instance.. How can I "alienate" players if they are not allready feeling alienated... perhaps you mean I shouldn't pull the blinders off the players who think people appreciate them?
AW... A lot of the new guys are great fun.. some of the best furs in the game happen with the guyus from AW... I have allways welcomed them but... there is a small percent... apparently they existed in AW too.. that do the "ruining the game for people is what it is all about"...."look at me I just killed a bunch of guys fun cause I found a lophole in gameplay"... now this is fine and even funny the first couple of times but...
It should be taken for what it is... a loophole in gameplay. A big one in this case. muck... I am sure if HTC had the time they would squash it... they have in the past. Pointing it out is the right thing to do... At some point it will have to be dealt with. Would it be better for HTC if egveryone got on the board and said how great the game was and then quietly left when they couldn't stand the gameplay and felt that they were the only ones with problems with it or is it better to think that others are just as frustrated?
lazs
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Originally posted by Mini D
Ummm rude... this isn't the thread to try to make a "furballers are being assaulted every time they speak up" stand. You may want to re-read the first post again.
Wanting something changed is one thing... insulting everyone else while asking for it is another thing all together. Trying to turn a thread that started on insults into a rational discussion is pretty futile.
Basically... not as much what you are saying but where you are saying it. Plus that "why don't you say this to GV drivers" statement was pretty ****ing typical. Sorry you didn't like the typical answer and sorry you can't see the difference.
MiniD
You've lost me Deja.....it's this simple....I would like some changes made so that I have an option other than to drive boats, GV's and buff's around...faster, lower fights.
Help me out with this "why don't you say this to GV drivers" remark....I'm drawing a blank.
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and urchin.... stop it! you are depressing me. relax.. you're wrong on this one. put some fields closer so that when one fur dies you can shift to another allmost every time and you will see a resurgence of the fighting we had when we had less players and people went to the action cause it was the fun thing to do and ...... possible. Look at the CT.. fights last pretty good there and even tho there are many unatended fields it is rare that someone milkruns em... they just don't get the attention they crave.
lazs
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I do tend to agree with Rude a little:confused: .....
.....just too make I really REALLY said that:D
If it is so easy too take out 125% of the fuels at a base......then REFUEL(resupply) should be done just as easily.....instead of 7 to resupply...bring it back down too 2 or 3.....
but ya'll gotta understand 1 thing.......
you Perchers....stop perching at 20k.....cause ya won't stop my tif from hitting your base....I'll pork your base and take your 20k perch away......
you mindless Furballers.....furball to defend your base.....cause I ain't gonna furball your niki or spit with a tiffy....I'll zoom by and pork your base.....WHY you ask.....Cause I can:p
you Pickers....pick on the porkers....not the easy prey(Furballers).....cause I'm gonna zoom by your prettythang and pork your fuggin fuels:p
somewhere there is an answer that will satisfy everyone...... :)
sometimes it good to whine about the pickers, perchers and mindless furballers......while they so busy doing there THING....they simply forgot to PROTECT there base......laying blame only on the porkers is stupid in my book :D
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"everyone has their 'golden time' in the game.."
I have that letter he wrote if you'd like a copy. I agree with it somewhat. When he wrote it there was just AW and Wb's. Nothting else. There were no other avenues to puruse if one found they needed more than what AW offered or WB's which was just AW with much more complexity. These days if a player gets bored they have several games to satisfy thier needs.
FWIW I feel I'm still enjoying my "golden time." AH renewed and has kept the spark lit in me, just as that spark was waning in the autumn of '99.
What is being expressed here, IMO, is not so much a lamenting for an old game and community but players expressing concernx for the dramatic change in gameplay (towards the ridiculous & gamey). Those who've been here from before the AW influx have seen the change however most know the changes have been the result of many factors, not just one. The influx of "gamey fun" players is the foremost reason IMO.
Knife fighters vs cherry pickers. ACM vs clueless HOers and "strat warrior" vs furballer have always been issues discussed and argu'ed about here. And well before the "ionflux" came I recall bumping into +Dead one evening and he was thrilled to shoot me down several times. Not so much for the kill of me (that's easy even for a newby) but just that for him someone was willing finally willing to dogfight the enemy without running to ack, friendlies or being part of a gangbanging swarm.
But with the changing of AH, by HiTech, towards making AH more fun for AW's (he said just that in one of his last interviews) by way of the last couple of major updates it definately became not just the new players "fault." Anymore than it the players fault that AW became basically an RRers game for the last several years of it's existance.
"before it evolves, as it must with new people and new ideas."
I agree. But IMO, and many others it would seem, much of the gameplay by players has devolved. Not evolved.
Rgardless. It's real good to see you online again Dan!
Ken
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Originally posted by Westy
"But with the changing of AH, by HiTech, towards making AH more fun for AW's (he said just that in one of his last interviews) by way of the last couple of major updates..."
Where is that interview Westy?
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Originally posted by Urchin
< Damn.. fuels porked. Well, lets check this one. ****... fuels porked here too. Well... this is an outside shot.... Golly-geeN, they porked it here too?!
Regardless of the other points and where any arena bias should lie re strat and fur I do believe this could be solved in many ways..........
Its totally wrong from aspects of both strat and fur..........fuel is just too easy to attrit IMO and the effects of its attrition applied in a somewhat unrealistic way.
and as Urchin says....................it is not fun.
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Unfortunately I think it was on Dogfighter.com which is now defunct. What he essentially said was that prior releases focused on realism but now he was making changes for gameplay and to make it more fun'r for AWiers
But when you reread past interviews you can see how AH is most likely where HTC wanted it be. (except for "AH will always be air-to-air first. Dogfighting is what an air combat simulator is primarily for." from the gamesdomain interview below).
AH may have started out as more of a game leaning towards "simulation" but that may have been more due to the nature of it's early players than anything else. When the "influx" came the tools were in place to be discovered, used and even abused by those who prefer to fly a "Crimson Skies" ala WWII aircraft skins. (not!) Although one positive lately is logging on and not seeing thier crap on the radio! ;)
But here are a couple of other interviews where HTC said essentiall the same thing but with more "werds"...
http://www.wargamer.com/articles/aces_high_interview_main.asp
"The basic change of the original concept from what I’ve done in the past was this time I wanted to bring a game to the realism of life. What I wanted to do this time was attract both the Air Warrior crowd and the WarBirds crowd. The WarBirds crowd loved the realism aspect of the sim. The Air Warrior crowd never liked it because it was all about realism and not about fun. This time around we tried mixing the fun with the realism. I’ll never compromise on the flight model aspect of the realism. At the same time, the game play aspect is all about fun.
http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/depart/mar00/aces.html
...we have made a conscious decision to make AH more of a game than a WWII simulator. Except for the flight model accuracy and the feel of flight we are not trying to make game play totally realistic, i.e. stuff like in-flight radar, visual ranges, buff driving/accuracy. How the gunners work in the B-17. All the game balance items we are taking what works well and not what was doing in history.
basically ... AW provided for more down time, i.e. you didn't have to be scanning they sky constantly, than WB did. So in the end the game-play side and social interaction was more of a design criteria for AH.
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Hey Westy,
I'd liike a copy of that BB post if you have it.
E-mail is spit12@frontiernet.net
As for the comments. Obviously my view is skewed based on such a little amount of time in AH so far. That being said, the experience has been good in terms of the people. The mouths are a lot less then I remember the later days of AW on channel 1. I sure like the plane set and of course there are drop tanks so how can I lose :)
Clearly, base capture is the name of the game. I don't think I've had a one on one fight yet. In general it's been either diving into the mob over a base where I've vulched more in a week then I ever did in AW, or getting mugged by a mob while trying to get out of a base.
I still think AW had it right when it was a limited number of bases that could be captured, while allowing the buffers to hit factories etc. AW2/3 obviously changed that and AH has taken it to the extreme. But if that's what draws the numbers in, you can hardly blame HT and company. It is a business after all.
But it seems like CT, from my few flights there is a counter to MA to appease the air to air crowd and I would imagine the scenarios serve the same purpose too, allowing for more then the "hamster wheel" of MA.
But for us newbies, the hamster wheel is neccessary to getting back to where we're more then just Ace Bait anyway:) Kinda the RR to FR move of the old days I guess.
Good to see you are still around Westy. It's been fun seeing lots of old names in the skies.
Dan/Slack
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Thanks Westy... I never realized that the designing of AH to cater to the AW crowd (at least lately) was such a considered objective... and was so explicitly stated like that anywhere.
The last sentence almost makes it seem like HT is saying that by providing the in-flight radar, less time needs to be spent with your hand on the views, so more can be spent chatting. Is this a good thing? :) In the AW Mac beta I flew I always did like the officer's club to meet up with people... but socializing in the air? Heh, not for me at least.
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Maybe he was talking about time to find a fight. In AW it was very easy to find a fight and to get to a fight was just as quick. At least in the Small Euro map, never flew Big Pork so flight times might have been longer.
ack-ack
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only place for me is in a furball so next time your fighting knight and im online and you in a furball and see a 109 that has to be me in my 109F4 other wise i get all my kills from vulchs :p (which btw i still either miss em or auger tryin to vulch)
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Originally posted by Silat
NB it's the influx of totally skilless under 45 year olds that has ruined this game:}:}:}:}:D
Anim