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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: MajorDay on August 10, 2003, 02:59:41 PM
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Germans was gonna to give ME 262 and ME 163 to Japanese before the war ended?
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yes, but mostly blue prints
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Originally posted by ramzey
yes, but mostly blue prints
Thanks
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If I remember correctly from Discovery Wings, the Japanese actually had a working prototype the day before the war ended.
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Originally posted by WxMan
If I remember correctly from Discovery Wings, the Japanese actually had a working prototype the day before the war ended.
Yup, Its a Yokosuka MXY-7 "Ohka" and its a single seat rocket-engined suicide plane, but USA nicknamed Baka or Stupid bomb
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I got a feelin' that WxMan may be referring to the Nakajima Kikka:
(http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/kikka/fig5.jpg)
August 11, 1945 -- an excellent side-elevation view of the first prototype Kikka; note the strong resemblance to the Me 262.
www.WWIItech.net (http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/kikka/)
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Originally posted by Arlo
August 11, 1945 -- an excellent side-elevation view of the first prototype Kikka; note the strong resemblance to the Me 262.
I just don't see it. I looked twice and even closed both eyes on the second time but I just don't see the resemblence.
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Originally posted by Drunky
I just don't see it. I looked twice and even closed both eyes on the second time but I just don't see the resemblence.
ShruG ... not my article. It was ... however ... inspired by and based on the Me-262 ... although it wasn't an exact copy.
(http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/kikka/fig2.jpg)
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saw a show over the weekend about the U-boat 234
It carried Luft officers, hi ranking jap officers, blue prints and disassembled 262, V2 rocket parts and uranium (atomic bomb research). It was enroute to Japan when the war ended. The german commander surfaced and surrendered. The Jap officers on board committed suicide b4 the surrender (sleeping pills).
The boat anchored in the states - the uranium was used in our tests which resulted in the bomb which defeated Japan.
good show, missed the very beginning.
found this:
http://www.ihffilm.com/840.html
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I just don't see it. I looked twice and even closed both eyes on the second time but I just don't see the resemblence.
Originally posted by Arlo
ShruG ... not my article. It was ... however ... inspired by and based on the Me-262 ... although it wasn't an exact copy.
Report Mr. Spock.
Captain, the sensors are detecing high level of sarcasm.
I was being silly Arlo. I especially saw the resemblence when I closed both eyes.
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I heard that Japs takeoff ME 262-Likely from the carrier, but I don't that's not true and I just heard about it.
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Originally posted by MajorDay
I heard that Japs takeoff ME 262-Likely from the carrier, but I don't that's not true and I just heard about it.
ROTFLMAO!! :D :D :D
It'd be easier to fly a US medium bomber off an aircraft carrier to attack mainland Japan early in WWII than to fly a 262 off of a carrier.
Oh, wait a minute...
;)
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Good info on the U234
http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-234INT.htm
The uranium it carried was used in the US bombs dropped on Japan, and the top LW officer was none other than Lieutenant General Ulrich Kessler a LW air defence expert.
There is a lot of controversy over the U234, it's mission, and the use of its cargo. Japan may have tested an atom bomb/device during WWII, but needed more uranium from the Germans to make a weapon. The Manhattan Project had achieved to produce enriched uranium, but not in the quantities needed. The uranium carried by the U234 was most likely delivered to Japan by the USAAF. Another controversy is whether U234 actually tried to reach Japan, or if it was traded to the Allies by Martin Bormann, the infamous Gestapo chief, in return for safe haven in the US.
All this makes for a frightening "what if". US with no uranium for a bomb, but the Japanese with two bombs, Me262's, LW defence expert and V2's.
(http://www.uboatarchive.net/U234G2.jpg)
Kapitanleutnant Fehler is on the right. Don't he look like a doppelganger for Jürgen Prochnow in Das Boot?
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IIRC Japanese physisists actually had designed a functional bomb but lacked the uranium. The Germans never had a functional design, but had the uranium.
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You are right GS - he does like that Das Boot guy! That was my first thought, before I read the caption. :D
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we tested at "trinity" was a plutonium bomb, from home-made plutonium. I had never heard or read of our use of German uranium before, though. Do you have any sources you can cite?
"What if"?
We had enough plutonium for two bombs, and set both of them off--one at trinity, one at Nagasaki. The technology of the plutonium bomb is/was more advanced, due to the nature of the fissile material--plutonium has a VERY SMALL minimum critical mass, and the time period for a fissile generation is VERY short, compared to uranium.
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(From Majorday's original post)
Actually the Japanese got most of their jet information from Italy and had a very advanced jet and rocket plane program compared to the Germans.
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Originally posted by DFunited
(From Majorday's original post)
Actually the Japanese got most of their jet information from Italy and had a very advanced jet and rocket plane program compared to the Germans.
Yup, I remember on History Channel that Italy bomber had to fly over Russia to reach Japan and that all i remember.
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it was a Ju52 i believe, flew around 35k over Russia to get there.