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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kekule on August 11, 2003, 08:51:50 AM
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to the AH duelers.
When I read that you guys selected the Ki-61 and A6M5 for the planes, I thought it was a bad move on your part. Without being familiar with the gunnery, you guys chose planes with short clips and weak guns? Bold move. :)
After thinking about it for a bit, though, your decision was actually an excellent tactical move for two reasons.
1. Both planes have a forgivable flight model. No nasty spins unless you really yank when low on E. Both have decent acceleration to make up for pulling too many Gs.
2. The average WBer has little stick time in either plane, so essentially both sides are "newbies" in the planes.
Well, except for me, I have more stick time in the Ki-61 then all duellers combined. :)
So then, that is why the AH Gods were smiling on y'all when I discoed in the 1st round! LOL
I also have alot of time in the A6M5, but decided to sit that duel out because you guys were short two players and because my connection was spotty. Ah well, I still had fun practicing with the WB team.
to everyone, see you in the next round! (Assuming you can round up more than eight players this time? :p)
Overall lots of fun, very glad to take part in this.
Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai
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we couldn't even scrape up eight players? Who was on the AH team? anyone I would recognize besides nash?
lazs
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What was the score?
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damn, if i had known u were short of players, i would have given it a shot.
If you are short in future feel free to drop me an email and ill be cannon fodder
Rob_F16@hotmail.com
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Seems to me that we were always going to struggle getting pilots committed when we only had what 2 days notification of date and time.
As i understand it WB had trouble getting somebody to set it up at their end, hence late notification.
I would bet money a lot of our guys never even realised it was happening.
Hell somebody was even gonna download and install it the day before the event as they posted we were gonna be short handed.
Just a pity our guys did not have a weeks confirmation of time and place.
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We did rounds 1 and 2 in AH, Correct?
Rounds 3 and 4 were to be in WBS, Correct?
Did 3 and 4 take place? If so, how did our guys do?
When and where is round 5??
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Yeah, getting rounds 3 & 4 confirmed was a bit of a mess... In hindsight, we should have flown it next weekend. My bad. But even then, .... ah nevermind - too complicated and boring. As it turned out, 4 of what ended up being our team downloaded and installed WBs on Friday or Saturday.
Round one we were short-handed... 8 of us. Someone over there asked if we wanted to fly it anyway so I asked the gang and everyone said yeah - of course... Woulda been a drag to show up then just leave, no matter what it meant to the outcome.
I was useless because somewhere along the way to the merge I inadvertantly hit a function key which locked up my keyboard (toggles through stick sets? - something like that)... I didn't have guns or views the entire time... so I just flew around hoping to distract people. Also during that round Levi's wife started yelling at him. He asked if he could auger and fend her off and I didn't want to be responsible for a homicide, so I let him go. :) Essentially there were 6 of us fighting - and we got pasted. :D
The second round I got my controls fixed and the WBers sat a couple of guys out to even the teams, and it went quite a bit better for us. Still lost - and to them.
All this being said... I know that when I look back on the duel I know it's not going to have been about the winners/losers... but of what a great time it's all been. I really thank and salute daddy for coming up with this - and that goes as well for all the great folks over there that have participated and helped to set this up. It's been alotta fun so far.
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Cavalier, you seem to be somewhat mis-informed.
Anyway, this thread is not intended to degrade one side or the other. Wether it was 10 on 10 or 8 on 8, it was a fun.
As for the score, I don't know exactly so these are off the top of my head:
Round 1, Ki-61s: WB: 9, AH: 1
Round 2, A6M5s: WB:8, AH: 6
The second round was a slugfest for sure! Wish I could have fought in that one.
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The second round was a lot of fun :). First round us AHers were like comets. I latched onto someones tail off the merge, then got a check 6 and there were like 5 of y'all on me. I was like "uh-oh" ping ping blam blam ping ping blam.
Second fight was awesome though.
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Kekule i got my info from this posted on the 9th and duel was flown on the 10th and as Nash posted above 4 of those who flew the duel had to download it the day before.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93535
I kinda doubt your guys had to contend with that when flying AH.
The time of the duel as well would almost certainly have prevented any european players taking part as it equates to 3 or 4 AM for most of the european guys.
If anything in my post or that link is innacurate then please enlighten me.
I have no interest in stirring any pot and all who took part.
Having said all that our guys did agree to fight and you kicked butt, well done.
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The second round was a blast (even though i didn't really know wb very well) i stuck to my plan of keeping alt and used my a6m5 the same way id fly a spit. zoom in distract the nme that was on a teamates 6 (watch them break) and zoom back out and up , TnB and do it again, this worked great for 5-6 passes (and i managed to get some pings in) . until i miss judged the distances and tnb to soon .(in the film i see that not 1 but 2 WBers blasted me at the same time ) i went Boom .
big to all that participated and helped make this happen .
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Cavalier - both sides had a week to prepare. Fact is that WB guys were practicing for week ahead of time almsot every night. Seems that AH guys didn't take it very seriously - attendance and lack of proper configuration showed. They had a week and did not prepare right - sorry - that's their own fault.
I flew for WB team and lost first 2 fights, and flew for AH team and lost last 2. I'm 0-4. What wants me ? :)
Seriously now, I came last night expecting to fly for WB team, there were 9 ( and later 8 ) AH players and I decided to help them out ( WB team had 4 extras ). Maybe if team AH took it bit more seriously, or agreed to an extra week ( WB team capitan was out ) things might have been different.
Either way, it's all for fun and I'd hate to see bad blood over this. I think all participants enjoyed it thougly.
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Originally posted by fd ski
Cavalier - both sides had a week to prepare. Fact is that WB guys were practicing for week ahead of time almsot every night. Seems that AH guys didn't take it very seriously - attendance and lack of proper configuration showed. They had a week and did not prepare right - sorry - that's their own fault.
Sorry to interfere, but i had configured all of my views/buttons myself, i was in the WB arenas for 5 days straight. I asked some of the WB'ers for help but like always hardly anyone answered, must be because there were only 15 online at the times .. Proper configuration is pretty hard when there is nobody to help, and i read their manual on the site, pretty hard to understand that as well.
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well wildthing, i congratulate you on your discipline. If you tried training arnea in specified times trainers would help you out, but i agree, it isn't easy to be a newbie in WB those days.
Fact remains that more then 50% of the AH team were not ready for a task at hand, however, dispite that they did really well.
It's done and over with. Let's move on.
Last round in AH :)
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Originally posted by fd ski
"...I came last night expecting to fly for WB team, there were 9 ( and later 8 ) AH players..."
There were actually 8 (and later 7) of us.... 2 no-shows and one had to leave. :(
I forgot to thank you for flying with us fd. Obviously you're going to wanna fly for your own team, so I really appreciate you comin' over and giving us a hand. And you did incredible. I'm not gonna go as far as to wish that your 0-4 record improves next weekend ;) ... but thanks a ton for flying with us fd.
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FD my point was the duel was scheduled for
Warbirds, Round 3 & 4:
3pm Eastern, Saturday August the 9th:
And i would imagine thats when our guys had indicated they could fly and signed up.
Then from what i can see on the 9th a post appears saying its on the 10th at 9pm instead of 3pm.
That change will have prevented some guys attending who originally said they could and hence left us scratching around to fill spots at the last second and 4 guys having to download the game to fill in.
So lack of configuration and attendance has more to do with late changes in schedule and to say they did not take it seriously i feel is a bit much.
Perhaps the answer would have been to reschedule a week later as you seem to say was offered, but would the AH players have been required to offer their credit cards for sacrifice by then ?
(I have no idea of IEN's payment requirements)
As for bad blood why would that happen ?
Personally it will be a cold day in hell before you see me in WB or any associated games but thats not a comment on the WB players as you can well guess.
As for WldThing I guess its gonna be kinda hard to find a trainer amongst the 15 online having fun or mebbe they just dont like him ;)
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Guys, I started this thread to
the AH duellers, not so people can post digs on AH or WB or whatever. Please start your own thread if you wish to continue.
If you weren't involved in the duel, sorry you missed some fun. I hope there's another round of duels in the future. (As in a completely new round of duels, not Round 5)
Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai
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Big
to AH pilots , well done lads
vise in AH duels
-tech- in WB
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I keep lookin for a fuggin goat...
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cavalier, that's a breakdown of the communications on AH side. WB pilots have a mailing list set up that so active that i think my spam catcher will soon start detecting it ;)
It's up to AH organizers to make sure people are informed.
Nash, i fly both games. While you are more likely to find me in WB then AH those days that has more to do with my squadron rather then game preference. I refuse to get into us/them crap shoots and it really pisses me off when people insist on pissing contests. This is a one big community, we have same interests and slightly different tastes. Personal perference ain't a good reason to fling **** at one another.
I'll fly for WB team in last fight if they have me because by default they will be underdogs. But i could fly for either if there is such need.
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Well said fd - couldn't agree more.
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fd is my b*tch and you know it !
AH , fun 4 fights, I hope the last one will be as fun as the 4 previous
Only thing I miss in AH is a trim repeat key thingy is there such thing?
Peter
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fjoder in ah
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In round 3 it was 10 vs 8?
In round 4 it was 8 vs 7-6?
Just curious...
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Was like this; we had 2 no-shows, so fd-ski joined us making our team 9.
In round 1, we basically lost 2 of that 9 in-flight.
In round 2, we had 8 for the duration.
Not sure what the WBers numbers were each round.
I'm only answering because this has been asked quite a bit... It's got *nothing* to do with any excuses whatsoever.
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Only thing I miss in AH is a trim repeat key thingy is there such thing?
Trim repeat? dunno what you are reffering to, last i knew the trim works the same in AH and WB....
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Embarrassing for the AH crowd indeed.
Good for the WBS’s that showed up after the AH round asswhippin and didn’t have these lame excuses. Looks like they practiced and beat you guys hands down because of it. That was part of the contest I assume.
These excuses are pitiful.
Also during that round Levi's wife started yelling at him. He asked if he could auger and fend her off and I didn't want to be responsible for a homicide, so I let him go.
Had I known that, I’d a volunteered. If my wife could get through the locked computer office door, I’d a told her where the kitchen was, quicker than Levi and Nath could have embarrassed AH more in the films posted dogfighting eachother and saying “ No one jumps Todd and Nath” when AH was ahead and the last few WBS guys attacked them.
Nash said it was going down too quick though, give him that.
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Hmm... Not sure I can argue with ya, now that I think about it. Though nobody's saying that our lack of preparedness and weak turnout was anyone's fault but our own. Least that I've seen - and if so they'd be dead wrong. Beyond that, I aint gonna bite. :)
Wish ya *did* volunteer...
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Nash I think the rules were discoes may not replaned.
We lost one during the first fight (kekule)
Maniac, I want to keep adding trim until I release the trimkey.
(Im going to wear out my keys if I need to repeat the pressing)
Peter.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Had I known that, I’d a volunteered. If my wife could get through the locked computer office door, I’d a told her where the kitchen was, quicker than Levi and Nath could have embarrassed AH more in the films posted dogfighting eachother and saying “ No one jumps Todd and Nath” when AH was ahead and the last few WBS guys attacked them.
LOL I'm sorry you felt embarrassed for AH by something someone says in the middle of a fast and furious fight. Perhaps a long walk on the beach is in order for you?
WBers, great showing on your own turf! I honestly wish I could have stuck around for the second round, but c'est la vie. You cleaned our clocks wonderfully on that first duel, no doubt about it. Fun stuff!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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it does add trim until you release the key, unless you have cougar and didn't program in a /h or something similar for other sticks.
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Perhaps flying without Combat Trim in a "Fast and Furious Fight" might help too.
The WBS's guys pry think we all fly with auto-flight crutches.
Like I said. Embarrassing.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Perhaps flying without Combat Trim in a "Fast and Furious Fight" might help too.
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Now you feel embarrassed for AH because I flew with combat trim? LOL! Life must be really hard for you to bear.
The WBS's guys pry think we all fly with auto-flight crutches.
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Oh, no! :(
Like I said. Embarrassing.
You have issues, Creamo.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Stings, don't it.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Stings, don't it.
Um. No.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Folks, I am going to reinforce what has been said. This thread is not intended for any negative commentary. If you feel the need to, then please move along.
The WB guys won and won well.
AH participants for giving it a good go.
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it was fun flying with names I haven't flown with in years :) I even got to shoot one of them down in the 2nd round :D
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Just to keep everyone up to date...
Round 1 & 2 in AH, went to the AH team.
Round 3 & 4 in WBs, went to the WB team.
Round 5 is coming up this weekend in AH.
So far the home team has won each round, so I'm looking to break that tradition:)
On a personal note, I was the one who dropped the ball last week with the short notice. I'm glad everyone was able to move beyond my f' up and have some fun. The past few weeks I think we have all had fun and I'm really pleased that the spirit of the event has remained positive.
Gents, and good luck in Round 5
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Originally posted by daddy
Gents, and good luck in Round 5
Daddy. Don't sweat the scheduling problem. Those of us who could make it had fun.
Also, I'd like to thank you for the 1 on 1 training in WB the other week. Gimme a hollar if you spot me in the MA and I'll return the favor in Aces High.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Any decisions on the planes for the next round?
ack-ack
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Maniac, I want to keep adding trim until I release the trimkey.
Strange Fjoder... Thats exactly how it works for me in AH... Something wrong with your throttle setup? sounds like the key you are pressing for trim only gives out one "key press" instead of several...
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I must admit it.
I am stung. :(
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Thx Maniac might be my sticksetup which is porked will look into it.
AH team, is it possible to change duel map, we kinda want a horizon :)
Peter