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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Frogm4n on August 13, 2003, 10:43:06 PM
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After seeing Gen. Clark on a couple of talk shows. It sounds like he is going to be throwing his hate into the ring sometime soon. My question for you guys is how are you going to attack a 4 star general that states that this administration needs to be held accountable for misleading the american public? Someone that believes in the Clinton economic plan ( post-keyensian ).
Are you going to stick bush up there with his flight suit next to the general that was highly critical of bush's war plan? and he is the guy that lead us into kosovo and came out without one american death?
i would like to see what kind of negitive spin you can get going on this guy so im ready for fox news's bull**** when Clark makes it official.
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And I'd like to see one less straw you can grasp at when he doesn't.
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should have figured. Cannot even defend their hero , and his misguided war. When the general that lead the troops is now speaking out against the president you know their is a problem.
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"highly critical of bush's war plan"
Well that war went terribly for Mr Clark, wasnt he a CNN "gloom and doom" talking head at the time?
As for kosovo you do realize that was only a limited air campaign, then of course we all remember the debacle of the AH-64 Apache deployment and the deaths associated with that, and of course the loss of the F-117 due to faulty tactics, the bombing of the chinese embassy not to mention the emabarrasing capture of some US troops by the serbian army.
Of course now you will attack me for pointing all these facts out...
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
should have figured. Cannot even defend their hero , and his misguided war. When the general that lead the troops is now speaking out against the president you know their is a problem.
I can't comment on it, when I haven't seen a thing he's said. How about providing some links.
Typical arm chair general.
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no your right grun. but the fact is we didnt lose a life in that war due to enemy fire. Nit pick all you like.
Btw remember he was highly critical of bush's entire plan for the war. Especially the plan after we took control of the country. You know the one that is costing us a troop or 2 a day. The one that wont have electricity or clean water running untill sometime next year.
He took care of the part that he commanded.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
no your right grun. but the fact is we didnt lose a life in that war due to enemy fire. Nit pick all you like.
Btw remember he was highly critical of bush's entire plan for the war. Especially the plan after we took control of the country. You know the one that is costing us a troop or 2 a day. The one that wont have electricity or clean water running untill sometime next year.
He took care of the part that he commanded.
Well it is difficult to reasemble a country after decades of greedy stalinist dictatorship and economic misguidance. Look how bad off so many russians are nd there was no "fighting" war. Plus we know saddam deliberatly cut off utilitiers services to whole parts of the country to pubish/control people.
On average we have allready restored utilities to higher than pre war levels, so please keep that in mind as well for some perspective as to the scope of the existing problem. Plus I have read lately that Iraqis have such high opinion of US technical abilities that they see any US "not" success as deliberate action as a form of punishment - I imagine it fits in with their paranoia experiences under saddam.
And finally I think both of us recognize that the kosovo war is no way comporabvle to the iraq war so comparisions, especially of the broad type you are trying to make are really inapproriate.
As for him running for president, well god knows the Dems have no chance to challenge bush with the current crop...
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Hey Frog, the dems aren't in the white house... time for you to moveon.org.
frikking girl
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hey your right steve. but this is a democracy, and the guy with the most votes wins. sometimes.
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I detect a flushing tear duct.
As far as the Generalisimo. JUST SAY NO TO GENERALS.
They suck as presidents.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
hey your right steve. but this is a democracy, and the guy with the most votes wins. sometimes.
The guy with the most votes wins all the time.
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The guy with the most electoral college votes wins.
If you are confused as to how a president wins a state, and thereby the electoral votes, this website will help:
http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecmenu2.htm
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
The guy with the most electoral college votes wins.
If you are confused as to how a president wins a state, and thereby the electoral votes, this website will help:
http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecmenu2.htm
-SW
Which is my point exactly. You could check out this page, too:
Bah, I was citing the same source as you! Since we are on the same page, and obviously both using google, I assume I don't have to look for another.
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Absolutely not, since it was actually Frogman I was replying to. :)
-SW
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You have to forgive Froggy, he hasn't been in this country long enough to understand election procedures yet.
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Originally posted by Martlet
You have to forgive Froggy, he hasn't been in this country long enough to understand election procedures yet.
You have to forgive Froggy, for he is still wet behind the ears and has zero life experience to draw from
Come talk to us when you have children your age frogb0y
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Depends what his stance is on key issues is what will determine who will vote for him. If his stance is that Bush mislead the public knowingly, then I wouldn't vote for him because thats simply not true.
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After seeing Gen. Clark on a couple of talk shows. It sounds like he is going to be throwing his hate into the ring sometime soon. My question for you guys is how are you going to attack a 4 star general that states that this administration needs to be held accountable for misleading the american public? Someone that believes in the Clinton economic plan ( post-keyensian ). - Frogm4n
Mr. Clark, as you know, is no longer a General in the US Army.
He is now a politician running for the presidency - with no experience at all in administrative government. He needs to do all he can to define just how he differs from the encumbant Republican President to have any chance at all in winning the Democratic nomination and the Presidency. Keep that in mind when he gives his opinion. He is hardly an objective, neutral observer. He has to oppose Bush.
I'm sure there are other ex-Generals out there who disagree with Mr. Clark.
When it comes to political parties and politicians, its sort of like attorneys who hire "expert witnesses" to testify. Mr. Clark may genuinely believe what he says, but I take it with a grain of salt.
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well you have the republican pride and joy schwarzkoff backing him.
ripsnort if you dont believe the president mislead the people knowingly you must not believe that president clinton didnt have sexual relations with that women.
by they way it will be hard to scream where is his experience in politics when you have GW in there. Governer of texas is highly a figurehead. and dont forget they only meet every other year in texas.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
well you have the republican pride and joy schwarzkoff backing him.
ripsnort if you dont believe the president mislead the people knowingly you must not believe that president clinton didnt have sexual relations with that women.
by they way it will be hard to scream where is his experience in politics when you have GW in there. Governer of texas is highly a figurehead. and dont forget they only meet every other year in texas.
hey I notice you don't even get up till late morning, early afternoon. I'd stop using the crack, you're keeping late hours and its most likely not only affecting your whacked political views, but probably affecting your college ed-u-macation too.
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oh dont mind ripsnort he is just jealous. He cannot defend the president and his goon squad so he busts out personal attacks. Maybe if he took a debate class he might learn a thing or two.
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well you have the republican pride and joy schwarzkoff backing him. -Frogm4n
Mr. Scharzkopf, a private citizen, is also entitled to his opinion. He did express misgivings prior to the war in Iraq. For example, he made this statement in August 2002:
Here (http://www.africaonline.co.zw/mirror/stage/archive/020824/perspectives26908.html)
Excerpt:
Schwarzkopf emphasised the dangers of an invasion without international consensus and military support because of the size and strength of the Iraqi Army.
“It is not going to be an easy battle but it would be much more effective if we didn’t have to do it alone”, he said, echoing views of other senior US military and political figures."
Apparently, Schwarzkopf did not have access to all the information the President had when he made the above statement. Obviously, Bush was right in his assessment of the state of the Iraqi army. I would like a link to Schwarzkopf's views of today, post war, if you have any...
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last i checked we are losing about 1-2 troops a day. Sorry if i dont think that is a easy time.
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The entire world was shocked at how quickly the USA entered Bahgdad. It didn't require the deaths of hundreds of thousands of lives as predicted by many of the antiwar people ...
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As for Mr. Clark, well.... its politics.
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Ironic to see people accusing of youth ignorance, yet they act like little children who cant argue a point without pointing out that you smell like fart and eat boogers.
Thankfully they will be moved out soon and replaced by a better, wiser, more logical and tolerant generation.
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maybe "A":
Originally posted by Frogm4n
. You know the one that is costing us a troop or 2 a day.
has a bearing on "B":
The one that wont have electricity or clean water running untill sometime next year.
He took care of the part that he commanded.
two different times, two different cultures, two different wars ... if you didn't notice
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Originally posted by Animal
Ironic to see people accusing of youth ignorance, yet they act like little children who cant argue a point without pointing out that you smell like fart and eat boogers.
Thankfully they will be moved out soon and replaced by a better, wiser, more logical and tolerant generation.
No kidding eh... ;)
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What a dumb thing to say animal.
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typical tactic. if the far right cannot argue its point it change's the subject via personal attacks.
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Originally posted by Animal
Ironic to see people accusing of youth ignorance, yet they act like little children who cant argue a point without pointing out that you smell like fart and eat boogers.
Thankfully they will be moved out soon and replaced by a better, wiser, more logical and tolerant generation.
Yeah we can't wait..."Mr. President" your cabinet would like you to keep your underwear inside your pants" But its the style in our generation"well then at least try to conceal your tatoo's during the press conference" But its like like like the style dude "ok MR President could you at least remove your tongue stud during the press conferences?" But like dude chicks dig my tongue stud like it glows dude"
I can't wait Animal...You guys have alot to offer... Just stay employeed so we can get our Social sec payments on time!!
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Originally posted by Yeager
I detect a flushing tear duct.
As far as the Generalisimo. JUST SAY NO TO GENERALS.
They suck as presidents.
I seem to recall a guy named George who did alright.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
typical tactic. if the far right cannot argue its point it change's the subject via personal attacks.
Valid tactic in any troll thread.
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Hey, telling the truth about Froggy having a drug problem is a personal attack? Just trying to help! Hopefully you can help yourself Froggy, or...hopefully a family member will intervene. Whats ironic is...when I was 23 and doing drugs, *I* had the world allll figured out just like you think you do now...boy was I dumb!~ ;)
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Originally posted by Torque
No kidding eh... ;)
Where the hell have you been?!
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no actually your dumb now. sad to think you once had something going other than wage slave.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
The one that wont have electricity or clean water running untill sometime next year.
?? Come again?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I seem to recall a guy named George who did alright.
What about Ike!
Fishing Animal!
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Originally posted by Animal
Ironic to see people accusing of youth ignorance, yet they act like little children who cant argue a point without pointing out that you smell like fart and eat boogers.
Thankfully they will be moved out soon and replaced by a better, wiser, more logical and tolerant generation.
No irony that youth thinks it's wiser and knows everything. Has always been this way and likely always will.
I'm reminded of a tombstone ephitaph:
As you are now, so I once was.
As I am now, you soon will be.
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Good and Bad I defined these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
ahh but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
- Bob Dylan
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Vader, why do you bother to post? You're a complete moron!
Wage slave... this leads me to believe you don't have a job.