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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on August 15, 2003, 08:16:28 AM
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was with some squaddies last night and we decided that since the map was furball-less... we would try to start one.. Our CV was close to a coastal field so we decide to take off and make a bar appear and get some brave souls to up and fight us..
A couple of countrymen had also seen the CV and decided to "strat" and kill the coastal field... squaddies and I were just circling around out of range of the field ack waiting for some bad guys to challenge us... the countrymen were asking what the "plan" was...."plan?" After several "whaaa" and "huh's?" from us.. they wanted to know who was in charge... silence....."aren't you the co?" they asked of me.... "nope, I'm the public relations officer" "Well... whose in charge?" "huh?"
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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A new generation has stepped fourth to provide leadership and direction to the old farts. The old farts just dont realize it.
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Let me guess... you guys waited for cons to up, get co-alt and then engaged them in a 1:1 scenario to make it a fair fight?
Or.... did you take advantage of the proximity of the CV to an enemy base to hover at the field picking off the low cons trying to launch... hoping to get the kill before the 3 or 4 other guys that were hovering there got it?
Well... at least you got to make fun of someone for having a different idea of fun.
MiniD
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and then some "strats" showed up and sunk the CV spoiling the "furball".
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moot point deja... no cons showed up.
lazs
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The terrains are too generic....no defined territorial boundaries.
Resources should be to the rear of the countries so that when you strat, you feel like you're really doing something.
Small fields should be close together and plentiful towards the frontlines of each country.....fields should thin out as you go deeper into enemy territory....the deeper fields should be larger the deeper you go and further apart....finally, you reach the countries cities and factories deep into their territory.
This kind of terrain would yield better strat, and better furballs.
For those of you who flew awdos, the old pac map is kinda what I'm talkin about.
Just my .02
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Agreed "rude".
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I agree Rude. But let's take it a bit further.
Make the front bases captureable so the battle line can move into a country, making their strat targets more accessible. But the rear bases aren't captureable, allowing all countries a fair ability to ward off enemy attacks until the end. The point at which victory is awarded is not based upon capture of the last base, but on the destruction of a country's resources. Destruction of resources would affect the country based upon the type of resource.
Loss of refineries would limit available fuel with a graduated affect based upon criticality. The less critical type operations would be affected first, such as perhaps the range of fighters, then the number of fighters, then on bombers, etc. This would mimic someone managing the use of fuel.
Loss of factories would limit the availability of the corresponding equipment. Such as factories making Spits and Hurricanes, B17s and Lancasters, tanks, ships, etc. A factory making a more general material, such as ball bearings, would affect the availability of everything dependant upon it.
Loss of food, clothing, training, arms, and transportation would somehow limit what the players could do. Like the number who can operate from each base, the number of sorties a player can make in a given time period (15 min. or a half hour), an increasing cost of perk points for each mission, or a combination of these.
The requirement for defensive operations would take on a new dimension and be more focused upon what must be defended most and a best guess of where the enemy missions are going. As radar is deminished, there would be a greater need for intelligence and a role for scouts. Currently defense is very simplistic, directed toward the base being targeted for capture. As the battle line draws closer, a country would have an increasing need for back line interceptor patrols in areas of suspected enemy penetration.
I think the benefit would be more realism. Greater incentive for strategic operations. Greater variety... land grabbing gets old. A need to plan missions based upon the current situation (hitting the most critical resources). A much greater role for bombers. More realistic roles for fighters, such as a more critical need for escorts and interceptors. And a greater ability for a country to function until the end.
On this last point, when the war currently nears and end, the down and out country is choked to a few bases where both countries can converge and stomp him into the dirt. With my suggestion, although the losing country will have a deminished ability to fight, it will at least have a place to play. And if the lead country does not continue the attack, the losing country's resources would rebuild. No more of this "get 'em down and keep 'em there" mentality.
grizzly
Originally posted by Rude
The terrains are too generic....no defined territorial boundaries.
Resources should be to the rear of the countries so that when you strat, you feel like you're really doing something.
Small fields should be close together and plentiful towards the frontlines of each country.....fields should thin out as you go deeper into enemy territory....the deeper fields should be larger the deeper you go and further apart....finally, you reach the countries cities and factories deep into their territory.
This kind of terrain would yield better strat, and better furballs.
For those of you who flew awdos, the old pac map is kinda what I'm talkin about.
Just my .02
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Agreed Grizzly, but lets take it a bit further.:)
Those rear enemy strat targets and bases don't show on your country's maps until some brave soul takes a recon flight (unarmed camera loadout selected in hanger) over the target area, takes pictures of the place, then rtb's with the intelligence. ;)
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Discussions like this are moot (good word, lazs) until one of you decides to create this godsend of a map. I volunteer Grizzly, 13th-TAS and the BKs. It shouldn't take you more than two weeks if you can keep Lazs from changing his mind every 15 minutes.
curly
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Sounds perfect for TOD, but won't please the furballers and us
sometimes furballers. More and closer fields are the ticket.
Sour
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i was help i flew my tbm to kill sb and flak i did no such thing as pork start even though i should have
skull12
(furball your way to make a furball doesn't work:rolleyes: )
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California? USA? :confused:
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
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California? USA? :confused:
Ever been to Norco Zip? Smell from the Stockyards will addle your brain :)
-Sik
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There's some damn good ideas here, in amongst the normal "noise" ;)
culero (WTFG Rude & Meester Beeg Bear)
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Discussions like this are moot (good word, lazs) until one of you decides to create this godsend of a map. I volunteer Grizzly, 13th-TAS and the BKs. It shouldn't take you more than two weeks if you can keep Lazs from changing his mind every 15 minutes.
curly
Yeah right Curly....I'm gonna take the time out of my life to build a map, so that everyone can make fun of me....wait....everyone makes fun of me anyway...I'm on it!:)
Actually, my son is the man for the job....he needs to get seettled in school first(freshman year in HS)...then I'll turn him loose.
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lazs you cant start a furball that way. you have to find a big red darbar with no or few friendlies if no other furballs are going on and get everyone where the reds are.
as to making people up when no red bars are around you have to fool them into thinking you want to take the base, kill the town only leave the base all up (acks too to keep no skill putz's from vulching and keeping enemies from flying) otherwise they have no reason to fight your dumb altitude advantaged ass
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Discussions like this are moot (good word, lazs) until one of you decides to create this godsend of a map. I volunteer Grizzly, 13th-TAS and the BKs. It shouldn't take you more than two weeks if you can keep Lazs from changing his mind every 15 minutes.
curly
I just don't understand your need to pick on the Tas , even after the stuff Rude and Toad said about ya I figured you one of the good ones.
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Originally posted by sax
I just don't understand your need to pick on the Tas , even after the stuff Rude and Toad said about ya I figured you one of the good ones.
Just a thought....but I would think the constant ridicule posted daily by TAS guys concerning the AKDesert map might be one reason.
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Originally posted by sling322
Just a thought....but I would think the constant ridicule posted daily by TAS guys concerning the AKDesert map might be one reason.
Actually 2 members out of 11 have voiced there dislike of the map.
Both to my knowledge have nothing but respect for the AK's.
Me , I'm just pullin Curly's chain:) I owed him one.
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the AK map is the worst and curly... "every 15 minutes"?? Can't have it both ways guy... either I am boring with only 2 or ten suggestions that are allways the same or I change my mind every 15 minutes... it's all so confusing. Were we talking about maps?
Cit... I really didn't think there was a huge chance of starting a fur... the CV was close and nothing else was happening on the map and we had tried a few "go to the big bar" fights allready but the ones less than a sector and a half had dried up... figured it was worth a try... nothing else to do.. What the post was really about was the rift in playerbase... diametrically oppossed.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
What the post was really about was the rift in playerbase... diametrically oppossed.
You mean about how you perpetuated it? Do you want there to be a rift lazs? Post like this sure make it seem that way.
MiniD
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akdeja.... the rift exists. I can have no effect on it one way or the other. I could leave and if the other couple hundred or thousand or so furballers all left too then the rift would be ended.
or.... we could figure out a way for everyone to co-exist with variety of gameplay... fuel porking and steamrollering and milkrunning are the rift... not me. You place more importance on me by far than I do.
lazs
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Sling, I suppose I am one of the one's you suspect of complaining about AKDesert. I've said it's not my favorite map but I don't recall "complaining" about it. Got any examples?
Now Trinity, I did complain about. NB switched some VH's to AF's and it improved some. to NB.
Yah know, there wasn't much of a rift before the resupply became so imbalanced. What, something like seven goon resupply sorties to bring fuel up at a field an additional 25%? That's where the "rift" really started for me; the straw that overloaded the camel.
I don't think Laz started it or perpetuated it. The strat system itself is unbalanced; that's what started it and it continues because of the unbalance. Laz merely tirelessly points this out. Ceaselessly, even. :D
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Having a different oppinion is not "a rift". This thread perpetuates "the rift" and what's wrong in the community.
MiniD
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i think the DA wood be the best place for fur balling if all will go thear
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haveing unbalanced gameplay is the rift, the rift is not merely talking about it. I understand tho... if the gameplay is going the way you like you tend to consider anyone who points out the flaws to be a spoilsport.
The game has become a zero sum kinda thing... many feel that anything that aids the gameplay of others..... takes away from theirs. some are paranoid that, given choice, people will ignore them and simply not play with them... they feel that their impact has to be so great that they cannot be ignored... in affect..... make people play with them.
I feel that different styles can co-exist... they did in the past. The few diehards fom both camps simply left "forever" in a huff and touted some other sim as the great strat sim or the great fur sim. Everyone else stayed and found stuff to do in this sim. Not that way now... I don't think either side is happy and they resent the other for good measure.
but then.... maybe I'm wrong.
lazs
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thank you yb11 for making my point.
lazs
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Whoa there lazs... where did you mention unbalanced gameplay in that post? Seems to me you took the oportunity to identify someone at the opposite end of the spectrum and weigh it against the other end as if those were the only two that existed.
Here's the real rift... those that want to keep stomping their feet and screaming "RIFT!" and those that wish you'd just shut up. These posts are not the way to get your message heard. They only serve to alienate and divide.
MiniD
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Yes, Laz.. don't point out that strat is unbalanced. That's not the way to get the message out.
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And yappin that it is unbalanced 2000 posts in a row, is Crackers? lol, too much.
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Originally posted by Toad
Yes, Laz.. don't point out that strat is unbalanced. That's not the way to get the message out.
Ummm... point out where he said strat is unbalanced when starting this thread toad. I mean.. you aren't just blindly defending him here are ya big guy?
All he really said was some guy wanted to attack the base, but they didn't, so they laughed at him.
MiniD
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Funny thing, Mini. Threads start with an idea or comment or two and the next thing you know the discussion expands to other new areas or even areas that have been covered in other threads before.
Laz isn't being inconsistent; I think most agree he pretty well sticks to his theme, albeit with some variation of expression.
The current "unhappiness in the MA" threads are nothing new, really. If anything is new, it's that folks that pretty much never worried about what was going on in the MA are now voicing displeasure. There's a lot of folks saying the same thing as Laz and it's a reasonably broad spectrum. Jeez, I think I even saw Muckmaw saying strat is unbalanced in some thread the other day.
Then some guy posted a laundry list of 3-4 things that had changed in the game with commentary to the effect that these changes were not good for gameplay and needed to be fixed. Same guy then posts in another thread that it's not the game that changed, it's the players that changed. Go figure.
Laz needing defending? That'd be the day. You ever met him in person?
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We must all like AH or we wouldn't be here. But nothing's perfect, and many might have ideas on how AH can be improved. So we post our ideas on a BB provided for that purpose and a discussion develops.
Then along come the spoilers complaining that these people are whining (in affect, whining about whining), and occasionally an egg of ludicrousness is laid (ie: "These posts are not the way to get your message heard").
If a person doesn't have anything worth while to add to a discussion, they should just listen.
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come to the ct
good fights most the time
come to the ct
very little pork and auger
come to the ct
evenly matched plane sets
COME TO THE CT!!!
also, read anything you can by b17skull12, daily prizes awarded for those who can decipher his posts
:D
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Toad-
I agree the strat is unbalanced. What one man tears asunder, 1 man should be able to rebuild. (Or at least 3-4 goons trips as you said.) I could not agree more.
However, on the second point, about the rift. I've said it before, there is no question there are 2 firmly entrenched camps when it comes to gameplay. There will be debates, and people look out for their own interests. This is natural. What only greatens the rifts are the semi-constant salvo's of insults being fired off.
Example: From the thread entitled "WB a furball paradise"
Maybe when all the timid toolshed killers leave the MA for the missun arena nirvanna things will pick up in the MA? --Lazs
guess i shouldn't have pointed out that somebodies squaddie made the worst map in AH huh? -------Lazs
I don't hate you lazs. I just think you've become pathetic.---Mini D
well isn't it mindless turns and stalls....just to get picked off--SLO
I guess "mindless" means .... ability to win. "complex strat" means.... losing as slwly as possible.----LAZS
Im thinking with AH2 all those AW strat***** will go to the missun uh-rena and leave the classic MA to be ruled by the real deals.--------Yeager
Furballin seems pretty mindless to me.. you're either cherrypicking or getting cherrypicked. -------RUT
From the thread: Where Fur and Strat Collide...
the strat guys need the attention... taking two bases that nobody sees you take isn't near as good as being in the limelight.... even if it is bad limelight... if we had no killshooter I would shoot down our own bombers that were killing cv's. ----LAZS
we were tasked to take out the CV by 40Dog, leader of the MAW. Did I enjoy carrying out the order? You bet your arnold.---Muckmaw
When I saw you in my bombsight, I felt conflicted about sinking the CV. I could not decide if I should sink it right away, or wait until you were close enough to watch it go under. ---Muckmaw
your 30 minute anal "missun" made me click on another cv--- Lazs
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooh! My HEROES!
You guys are just so awesomely heroic and military and all!
Tell me, do you use a webcam for the crew shoe shine inspection on squad nites? Do you fly in your dress uniforms---TOAD
However, like most things in life, with experience you discard the fluffy stuff eventually and get down to the basic things of real value and true enjoyment.
Hey, tell me......... when a mighty air armada "wins the war" for the glory of their country by bombing and gooning and gv'ing their way to fame and ticker tape parades.....---TOAD
those who would oppose us are the enemy of choice... look at their gameplay style... these are the guys you don't invite to parties. The coin and stamp collectors of flight sims.... the sky accountants. --------Lazs
Look, I did not post this to dredge this up. I just wanted everyone, myself included to read the crap we're spewing. All of the above could have been said without the cheap shots.
There will always be strats and furs. There does not have to be "Sky Accountants and Mindless Quakers".
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Then of course, we have the grand daddy of all slams courtesy of Toad:
The Toolshed Pests -- Sgt. Rudely Auger
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Pork-ing fuel tanks from the sky,____
That’s the way____ that I now fly.____
Drop my bombs____ and run away,
It’s about____ limiting your play.
Sliver rakes____ up-on my chest,____
I’ve now become____ a Tool-shed Pest.____
One hun-dred times____ I’ll crash to-day,____
But you can-not____ fly all planes this way____.
I used to fight____ just plane vee plane,____
The others said, “got no brain.____”
Now I pork____ by night and day,____
Most-ly die____ from the ack gun-play.____
Sliver rakes____ up-on my chest,____
I’ve now become____ a Tool-shed Pest.____
One hun-dred times____ I’ll crash to-day,____
But you can-not____ fly all planes this way.
Want to fly____ and have some fun,____
Just don’t care if____ the war is won.____
Take silver rakes____ off of my chest,____
Just can’t be____ a Tool-shed Pest.____
Oh great H-T____ you had the best,____
Things to hold____ each pilot’s in-ter-est.____
You are the man____ the one they say ____
Can fix strat____ resupply to-day!____
I'm still trying to figure out which key this is played in.
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Sing Along! (http://www.brownielocks.com/balladofgreenberets.html)
Here's the melody... sing all you like. :)
Now as to the rest...
It bears repeating that no one I've seen arguing the "furball" point of view wants game changes to prevent another player from doing anything else that's in the game. IE: Rude doesn't want game changes to prevent a bomber guy from bombing HQ and killing the dar.
To the contrary, it's been emphasized over and over that basically the fighter fighting crowd just wants to be able to find a place on each map to have their kind of fun.. that's it... that's all. Just want to have some fun flying, climbing, diving, turning and shooting.
It's been pointed out that Tank Town on Trinity provides the sort of thing for treadheads that's asked for fighters.
Nobody wants to "take away" anything from the rest of the game; they just want something left in for those who don't care who wins the war, don't care to play the "strat" game, don't care to go on huge missions, etc., etc.
As you say, it's currently unbalanced and it's unbalanced in favor of strat options. It didn't used to be this way; it slowly evolved as some folks requested changes to the game favoring "strat" play.
Now, the guys that were content to just fly and fight to no real purpose are feeling pushed out of the MA. That's the bottom line. So, they're speaking up.
And some don't think that's fair that they should get to speak their piece as the folks that have been asking for and receiving more strat features.
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Originally posted by Toad
To the contrary, it's been emphasized over and over that basically the fighter fighting crowd just wants to be able to find a place on each map to have their kind of fun.. that's it... that's all. Just want to have some fun flying, climbing, diving, turning and shooting.
Heck, most of the time the fighter jocks can find a place to fight. The biggest problem is when most of the bases get captured and a country only has a few bases to fly from when they log on prime time evenings after a hard day of work. Then they have to put up with getting ganged and vulched while the other two countries duke it out to see who should win. Sometimes the Bish don't take the last few bases just to drag out the torture. This is what a large number of HiTech's customers have to put up with. I wonder how many he lost.
How many times can a country capture the arena before it gets boring? How about a new "Land Grab" arena with only one country (the Bishrooks), so there's no need to worry about opposition?
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Hell no, the community doing a good job of splitting itself up already.
Time for 3 arenas, can't see any other way to make em happy.
A strat arena, a furball arena, and a treadheads arena
Furballers won't be happy until no chance of a bomb landing on their field exists.
Strat guys won't be happy until the 'team' at least looks like it shares the same goal.
The treadheads... well, they like not to be bothered by the pesky fighters/bombers after they've driven for 20 minutes to the target.
Its the only way...
Making a nice little out of the way section of the map for furballers is just a waste of bandwidth and resources for players that do not wish to play the whole game.
The same can really be said about the center of trinity when ya think about it. And the whines when someone flies a plane in there....
3 servers, not sharing the same box, or pipe. Then each one can play the game the way he/she likes and not affect anyone else detrimentally (sp?) at all.
For now....
Furballers... if there is soo many of you surely it can't be too hard to announce where you are all going to congregate?
Stratguys... make a note of all the furballers so you know not to expect help for the 'team'
treadheads... this is abit tough... think you guys are SOL unless its trinity for now.
SKurj
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Originally posted by SKurj
treadheads... this is abit tough... think you guys are SOL unless its trinity for now.
SKurj
Skurj...
I offered to try to set something similar to Tank Town up for the Whirlygig Guys. Was told not to bother....so I didn't :).
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skurj.. you have a point.. when you said that strat guys won't be happy till everyone at least appears to be part of the team. They thrive on that... the hive thing and the teamwork... I agree... I have said that to make strat and fur co-exist you have to make it LOOK like they have the same goal.
But...Furballers don't care (much) if fields are taken if there are other places to up that are action... I don't think furballers want uncapturable or undamageable fields... They don't mind if it LOOKS like they are part of the strat... in some ways, we are.... If I kill 4 fighters while you are on your way to take a field then you will think I helped the "effort" it will look like the guys who are good in fighters did their part and everyone will be happy.... If you simply pork the fuel or hangers and let the field sit along with 6 others for an hour or so... the furballers get pissed. No movement and no action... if there is any "strat" to this is wasted on anyone not playing the 20 hour AH marathon.
put the fields closer together and make em fall easier... once all the resources are gone... it's dead... 50% fuel minimum... all hangers the same fluff/fighter. maye revetments instead.
and muck... as you see... both sides use descriptive terms. It is a shame that the toolshed killers are so sensitive but then... I expected no less. tough. Names stick because they have a grain of truth or... are outraggeous, like calling a bald guy "curly". I am merely looking for descriptive terms. As for the walter mitty military thing... ya gotta admit.... for a grown man.... a little over the top?
and deja... well... when has deja ever posted that wasn't bitter and or condencending? Creamo? creamo doesn't even play.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I play Lazs, and maintain a better kill per hour than your little parrot buddy. Hell, Im even ranked above Toad in Fighter Stats. Points, AND kills/hour. Now how is that possible? These stats things are fun.
I was 600 something an hour ago, must be some great furbals going on in the MA because I dropped to 800.
Toad should challenge me for best fighter rank and do another silly bbs bet. I can hear your channel voice chat now…
SKIPPER!
lol
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hmm... creamo, for the last three tours it looks like toad has a higher kills per hour and k/d than you and that he plays at least twice as much as you too. since you brought it up....
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
Funny thing, Mini. Threads start with an idea or comment or two and the next thing you know the discussion expands to other new areas or even areas that have been covered in other threads before.
I'm sorry, so you're saying that this is the best way to start a thread and get a rational discussion? Are you saying that this is the way the community avoids rifts? Are you saying that we should all go back in the MA, laugh at someone then come here and say how cool we are for doing it in hopes of finding others that think they are as cool as us?
Well toad?
Or maybe we could go in the MA and hang out in CV ack for 2 hours insulting anyone that comes near the CV with the intent to bomb it on ch. 1. And we can call it fun doing it even though anyone coming even to just furball has to fly 20 miles to get to the fight cause the "fun CV furballers" still don't want to leave their CV? There's a great one. Those are fun fights. Those are the fights I think of whenever I see you post toad.
Laz isn't being inconsistent; I think most agree he pretty well sticks to his theme, albeit with some variation of expression.
Find where I've said he was inconsistant. I mean, other than saying "there is a rift" in the community and pretending that he (and you) don't perpetuate it.The current "unhappiness in the MA" threads are nothing new, really. If anything is new, it's that folks that pretty much never worried about what was going on in the MA are now voicing displeasure. There's a lot of folks saying the same thing as Laz and it's a reasonably broad spectrum. Jeez, I think I even saw Muckmaw saying strat is unbalanced in some thread the other day.
The current unhappiness in the MA threads are nothing new... you are quite correct. Its just that now, when its you doing it, you think its right. And when its you doing it, you think it means something else.
The fights are there. The people are there. Right now a few people are spending more and more time trying not to find good fights just so they'll have something to complain about later. I mean, for Christ's sake... Lazs just complained that he had his squad hovering over an enemy base and nobody up'd. You may want to ask him if his squad would have simply vulched anyone that tried to up... or if lazs has done that recently. I'm pretty positive he has. Seems things were close enough for a fun fight, but others just didn't really want that to happen when they could have a complete advantage and dominate planes on the ground. Not that there's anything wrong with that, until they start to spend every waking hour claiming that they just want to furball.Then some guy posted a laundry list of 3-4 things that had changed in the game with commentary to the effect that these changes were not good for gameplay and needed to be fixed. Same guy then posts in another thread that it's not the game that changed, it's the players that changed. Go figure.
Ah... the ends justify the means. Yeppers. This is the way all discussions should be done. Notice how you had to point to someone else's post to find a real reason for this thread?Laz needing defending? That'd be the day. You ever met him in person?
It must have been a very emotional thing for you. You seem to have been in love with him ever since.
MiniD
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Originally posted by lazs2
hmm... creamo, for the last three tours it looks like toad has a higher kills per hour and k/d than you and that he plays at least twice as much as you too. since you brought it up....
lazs
They must have turned up the ack lethality at the CVs.
MiniD
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I'm still trying to figure out how to aggressively use cowl flaps to kill the other guy; when I get that down, I'll be the Ace of Aces.
:D
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Kewl!
Look! The leg-humper twins broke out of the kennel today!
You'd think when they break their tie like that, the one on the bottom might get hurt. Hasn't seemed to slow them down yet though.
Enjoy boys! I'm wearing goretex overpants; it washes right off.
:D
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No, I'm saying it's hypocritical and ludicrous of you to pretend that threads don't wander all over the place. You've done it yourself but don't hesitate to criticize others.
You are and have been, do and have done everything you criticize others for on this board. Dowding pretty well summed you up in the O-club. Cod knows Dowding and I almost never agree, so it must be a universal truth. :D
Obviously though, you don't know how or where I fight.
Laz is a very enjoyable guy, very intelligent and widely versed on a lot of subjects. In short, he's a great guy with whom to spend some time shooting the breeze. He also has some pretty good ideas on what makes good games overall and can back it up. All that didn't come through the BBS posts, but it did in person.
Might be the same with you but in your somewhat recent evolution into bitter, insulting curmudgeon of the BBS, I wouldn't be interested enough to find out.
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So, if the furball crowd really wants to furball.....why do they keep shooting me down before I can even get to the furball? hehe
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I'm not pretending threads do and don't wander. I'm pointing out that you are spending quite a bit of time completely avoiding laz's first post in this thread while trying to make your point.
Sorry, but if someone wants to keep acting like a dip****, I'm going to call him on it. No matter how many people were awe inspired when they met him. No matter how much time someone commits to trying to make people overlook what he said by highlighting what others have said.
A thread pointing out there is a rift in the community should not start by perpetuating it. It should not start by ridiculing one side. You see, if it does, it is called "perpetuating". I know you would like to believe its everone else that's causing all the problems seen in the community right now. That's just not the case.
Now all we need is for rude to show up and say how "furballers get jumped" whenever they try to make a "suggestion".
MiniD
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A triple decker post Toad?
God Bless ya you 'Ol buckaroo, don’t get so tweaked you triple post, I’m just trying to stop the insistent “AH Gameplay Sucks” avalanche on the General Forum.
Gimme a hug. Come on.
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All this thread does is demonstrate that if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Seems like there are plenty of guys willing to bash the map makers and whine about how their particular brand of fun is spoiled by them but not one of them wants to step up and do something about it...
Quit whining and enjoy the game with the tools you have been given (yes it is possible!), maybe there'll be less AH induced heart disease then.
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MiniD, Bulletin Board Cop. Cuff him and stuff him, Mini. Maybe you should put up your own AH BBS like LePaul, eh? Then you can clean up that town, Sheriff.
I read the first post and it read more as commentary on the BK's (lack) of leadership style. I saw it as an attempt at humor, weak though it was. However, I'm sure you'll point out how wrong I was.
But then, I do know Laz a bit.
Thanks in advance.
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Think of it as a BLT, Creamo.
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well... first of all.. I don't think the original post could be called a complaint. I also don't think that the old bitter curmudgeon deja could really find anything that wasn't true about it. The rift is real.. He just didn't like it brought up apparently. I appreciate deja telling me that everything is wonderful in AH gameplay and would believe that he has the answers for finding any type of gameplay "anytime" he wants but... I never see him in the arena... in any kind of gameplay. I dont want anything to do with his kind of gameplay. I think him being in the FDB has made them bitter, boring and arena no shows. AK's seem a little more fun tho...
as for the CV thing and the original post.. if you fly from a close CV and circle outside the ack of the coastal base.... people will often up to come and get you... you mayh get a few that are lower than you and haven't figured out that being lower is no big deal but then it gets a rythmn.... since the bases are close you can't kill all of em at once.. pretty soon the fight is more or less between the CV and base. sometimes you are lower and sometimes higher... I don't really care that much.
vultching... yep done it, do it and will continue to.. the best fights are between fields... I have said that many times. vultchs are the result of the strat guys killing the ack and not taking the field. If I am there I will steal every vultch I can from em. It is either that or fly home a sector and a half without firing a round. Furballers generally don't kill ack...
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
I read the first post and it read more as commentary on the BK's (lack) of leadership style. I saw it as an attempt at humor, weak though it was. However, I'm sure you'll point out how wrong I was.
How wrong you were? Or how much you chose to ignore? "I think we traumatized him", but he didn't chose to come here and post about it citing rifts in the community nor the whole traumatic experience. "I hope we traumatized him" would have been a bit more apropriate. Of course, feel free to post about how someone came around later and actually made a good point and about your undying love for lazs and the BKs.
MiniD
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Yeah, MiniD.
Look at the title. "think we traumatized him".
Then he sets the stage by describing the situation. BK's trying to start a furball. Sort of what Cit described in his "how to start a fur" thread. BK Countrymen kill the field while BK's orbit hoping someone will up.
Countryman asks who's in charge, who's the CO? BK's have none, countryman is perplexed.
No implied rift in the community to me. I see commentary on the BK's rather loose organization, something they pride themselves in, part of their image. Much like the FDB's portray, IMO.
But then, I'm not the official BBS Special Crimes Investigator. Perhaps I don't see the sordid, hidden subterfuge that will destroy BBS society.
There's just incredible evil everywhere, I guess.
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This really is kinda simple.
There are many old farts playing this game(i'm one of them). Part of the problem is us....we have seen and done most of what is offered and long for something to renew our interests in a pastime which we've enjoyed for years and years.
I personally was a strat minded player who enjoyed a more realistic approach to the game. I used to think that furballers were kinda silly....just uppin from fields to get some kills, only to be shot down....then off to repeat the same over and over....they were food for my Pony. I couldn't understand why someone wouldn't want to land kills and fly their hops on a more realistic footing.
Then I realized that I didn't have the skills to deal with opponents one v one....sure, I could kill with impunity in the Mustang and land 3-12 kills most every hop....but when it came down mono y mono, I was incompetent. I didn't like that feeling...it served my ego poorly.:)
So, I told the squad that I was on a pursuit of excellence...skill building in the DA....I wanted to be able to leg um up and smackum yackum down low in the weeds.....most joined me and what we realized was this....it was fun.....not historically accurate.....not good for your score...just fun. The heart pumped and the hands shook and it felt real good to just get after it.
I, nor anyone else in my squad, would ever want anyone in this game to be deprived of what brings them some fun....I can assure you of that fact.
The point is this....now that I'm an adrenaline junkie, I would just like the opportunity to have my cake and eat some of it as well. Strat offers many more options than does furballing....it's a fact and that's a good thing. Some of us would just like to see HTC make some changes which offer us a few more choices....all without restricting other players in any other way.
This rift some of you speak of is nothing new....my experience over the years has found that if anything, in the end, these rifts are healthy for the community and bring unsuspected results in the long run. Sometimes gettin to that point gets ugly, but life ain't easy ya know?:)
I said it earlier in some post and I'll repeat it....I've followed Dale and Co. for a long time....he's always delivered....AH2 is around the corner and if any of you think Dale isn't listening, you're kidding yourselves:) We will have our tweaks to gameplay and keep on keepin on until we finally bore of it all and go find something else to do....that's a fact.
So in the meantime, we all should try not to take it so personally....everyone knows that Real Men furball...no need to rub that point in anyones face:)
Cyas Up!
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Well said rude... though I don't believe throwing insults around and turning things into an "us vs them" is the way to go. I will stand by that belief longer than most posting in this thread have stood by theirs.
And Toad. Lazs mentioned that it was intended to highlight the rift. Though, there was no argument, no complaint from the other individual. Simply calling a difference in style a rift? Come now. "Us vs Them".
Of course, lazs will stick to what he does best... trying to incite and insult simply for reaction. What's wrong lazs... not trying to get me worked up with "that stupid AK pizza map" comments anymore? Keep trying, you may eventually find something that works. I'm not betting on it though.
As for "bbs cop"... you may want to find where I've tried to get people on board with what I'm saying. Where I've tried to motivate a community to my will. You may want to find where I've started a thread insulting a group of flyers for their specific choice of MA behavior. I talk directly at those doing the talking. I'm not indirect, vague, generalizing. Lazs, you are acting like a dip**** these days. Not the BKs... you. Toad, you choose to defend his actions and champion them as some kind of representative statement. For that, you are acting like a dip**** too. It's odd in regards to you toad... 2 years ago, you used to be the peacemaker... and bring reason into arguments. Now you're just a lazs lacky posting/regurgitating his drivel both here and in the MA on ch. 1. It's too bad.
MiniD
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Yeah, he did say that later... after you had already grabbed his leg and went at it. Like you do everytime he posts.
But that's not the way I read it the first time I read it.
As for BBS cop, what I remember is you starting a thread in the O-club that was all you have been decrying and campaigning against. That was while you were campaigning. Someday when I'm REALLY bored I'll go find it. Basically though, you're as hypocritical as any on this board, including that saccharine bit to Rude about throwing insults around. Seems like I remember some tosses when you were slamming me about one guy being able to take down fuel at a base in a few passes. BTW, you still want to debate whether or not it can be done? I've seen lots of guys posting recently that they can do it, have done it.. but I missed the part where you jumped 'em about it like you did me.
Yeah... you're the only pure one here bud.
There's certainly one guy without reason in his posts. Can't really call 'em arguments.
Well, there is "riftism" everywhere you look I guess. There's riftists under the table, behind the closet door... POSTING IN THE SAME THREADS AS NORMAL FOLKS!!!!
And who can doubt their intent? Riftism is all about AH Domination and enslavement of the player base.
What this board needs is a good, decent, stalwart defender of what is right as he defines it. Someone who will tell the rest of us what we shouldn't read, what we should read and what it means when we do read it. We need someone who will tirelessly hunt down the riftists, follow them from thread to thread and expose their riftism.
And it's not JUST riftism is it? NO! We need a guy that will defend us from everything HE thinks is bad or evil on a public BBS. We need a Joe McCarthy of BBS propriety!
What we need is a mini-McCarthy!
Oh... wait.
Nevermind.
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Find the thread toad. I have no idea what you are talking about. And when you find that one... try to find another. In the end, we can weigh them against the useless drivel that has ben pouring from you and lazs fingertips as of late.
And... I do like how "two passes" changes to "a few passes" when you're trying to prove a point. It was a stupid thing to say toad... come to terms with it.
And I'll leave you with this distinction toad. I came into this thread and called you and lazs a dip**** because of your recent posting behavior. I said this to you. I said this to you based on your actions. Someone else fires up a thread, and starts insulting or degrading half (or more) of the player base. I guess you feel its OK as long as it's vague and broad sweeping? I mean... it's not really personal.... right?
The people I talk to know who I'm talking to. The people you (and lazs) are talking to may or may not be in the room... and you can always say you didn't really mean them. Yeah... it's great when the people you're trying to insult don't really know you're trying to insult them, and those taking it as an insult can be called paranoid (whether you intended to insult or not).
I guess its all pretty much been said already toad. I'm pretty much done with this thread... but am not above saying it again in the next thread.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Rude
This really is kinda simple.
...I used to think that furballers were kinda silly....
But Rood...they are silly!!! So are alt monkeys, buff dweebs, suicide bombers, etc.. Hell, I'm silly too (but then you knew that :)).
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Mini, so you still say it just can't be done it two passes?
Is that what you're saying?
Because there's guy's in several threads saying they can do it in two. And I'll say it can be done in two. The small fields are set up to make two inline passes. It should be fixed or the resupply adjusted or something.
That's the truth of it. But you know you were wrong now, don't you?
:D
Get in there and jump 'em!
Insulted half the player base? That's rich. He didn't insult anyone in the opening post, before you legged him. Where's the insult in the opening post? What? "Traumatized?" or was it the "huh?" you felt was insulting?
IMO, you insult far more people on this BBS than Laz ever has.
And as for your "rift", help me out here. There's probably 4000+ players in the game. Maybe... MAYBE 500 are regular posters here and who knows how many even lurk. But any sane assessment has to take the view that a minimal minority even read this board compared to the number that play the game.
And of those that post and lurk here, it's got to be a tiny fraction that don't know what they're going to see when they click on a Laz post.
So this is the cause of the big rift that's splitting AH?
Yah, sure. It couldn't be the fact that the MA has changed so much that even guys like Beet1e are complaining about the pointlessness of the fights and the steamrollering now could it?
But... it's good to know that our own little Joe will be vigilantly on guard to protect us.
Godspeed.
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deja complaining that I am mean to people on the BB? I am sure more than a few "vets" spewed coffee over that little bit of blind hypocricy/pot/kettle drivel.
I don't believe that I am half as important in AH peoples lives as deja feels I am. He is probly as important in AH peoples lives as I think he is tho.
The original post was about something me and my squaddies at the time thought was amusing.
And so far as working you up deja.... That's like willing the sun to rise in the East. You come stock with the "worked up" option.
lazs
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Squaddies?
Lazs, you have one bone left in yer old carcass that hasn’t been broken, possibly your right shin, and it pry has arthritis.
If you continue to use DRipsnores pet names for people that affiliate themselves with you in AH, ala “Squaddies”, I’m going to have to pay MiniT to kick it at the Mini con. Or Funkypants to sit on it.
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Right tibia has been compound fractured. Left is, as we speak.... undamaged.
lazs
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left shin
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Originally posted by Mini D
left shin
What kind of crazy mann are you? dont you know that UBB code don't have no 'remember" kommand? some of you people are plane banannas! :mad: :rolleyes: :mad: :confused: