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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on August 15, 2003, 08:51:56 PM
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Amazing, absolutely oustanding. Fuel was porked 4 bases back. GREAT JOB! Keep it up guys, the fuel bunkers quiver in terror whenever "suicide tiffie IB at 15k" comes over Ch 2.
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We were cleaning up the crash site where Rude's last ride drilled a hole and we found this tattered and paritally burnt set of lyrics under his ruined seat cushion.
In tearful memory, the squad decided it should be posted here. We're only sorry that, due to BBS restrictions, is the accompanying music which you all would recognize as "The Ballad of the Green Berets", cannot play as you read this.
We're thinking of getting Barry Sadler out of retirement to sing this at the memorial service.........
The Toolshed Pests -- Sgt. Rudely Auger
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Pork-ing fuel tanks from the sky,____
That’s the way____ that I now fly.____
Drop my bombs____ and run away,
It’s about____ limiting your play.
Sliver rakes____ up-on my chest,____
I’ve now become____ a Tool-shed Pest.____
One hun-dred times____ I’ll crash to-day,____
But you can-not____ fly all planes this way____.
I used to fight____ just plane vee plane,____
The others said, “got no brain.____”
Now I pork____ by night and day,____
Most-ly die____ from the ack gun-play.____
Sliver rakes____ up-on my chest,____
I’ve now become____ a Tool-shed Pest.____
One hun-dred times____ I’ll crash to-day,____
But you can-not____ fly all planes this way.
Want to fly____ and have some fun,____
Just don’t care if____ the war is won.____
Take silver rakes____ off of my chest,____
Just can’t be____ a Tool-shed Pest.____
Oh great H-T____ you had the best,____
Things to hold____ each pilot’s in-ter-est.____
You are the man____ the one they say ____
Can fix strat____ resupply to-day!____
;)
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Toad..
I'm in deep do-do.
And you will know why..
But I can't help myself...
:D
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You tell 'em, Urchin!
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Urchin... are you saying that you would limit some peoples fun? I bet you really complain when the atom bomb is brought out... or how bout.... If you fly off the map for 20 minutes you get to turn off the server?
lazs
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I don't like finding fuel down to 25% at these bases close to the action. It limits the plane I can take. But I do find some irony in this as it worsens the scenario for those who are an outhouse's "worst nightmare" by ensuring that all the enemy aircraft they now face are almost all P-51's.
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Yep... never could figure out how "%" was fair... 50% for 51 is 125 gallons and like 40 for the eurotrash fighters... 50% for a pee 51 is enough fuel to bore even the most timid strat guy to death before he runs dry.
lazs
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I wouldn't dream of limiting anyone's fun. Apparently the vast majority of the playerbase feels it is loads more fun to fight field ack and fuel tanks than other players.. what I'm still puzzling out is why they pay $15 a month to play with other people when they basically just want to be left alone.
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It aint much of a mishun if just 1 guy is in it. For $14.99 you fly all the mishuns you can handle.
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Maybe I'm about to step out of line here.
Maybe I'm not.
Maybe I am reading into this too far
Maybe I'm not.
I just want to say,....
If the fuel wasn't a factor, it wouldn't be made into a destroyable object.
Do you people need a kleenex or do you all own stock in the company?
Granted suicide attacks are lame. SOME pile-lets, just compress themselves into the ground, I've done it a lot myself.
But this petty whinning about destroyed fuel must be a personal issue.
IT"S PART OF THE TERRAIN AND GAME
Porking fuel is a strategic tactic, no less then the hangars or field guns. Good god it was one of the first targets ever hit in war. "Oh wait, we should not have done that, they can't attack us and kill us now, how unfair"
Should I start whinning because someone porked the last hangar or Vehicle base.
Is it going to come down to everyone will whine each time a purposely placed strat object that is placed in the game FOR THAT PURPOSE, is hit.
This isn't Pong folks.
SO in essence, what the common whine is about is "DO NOT detroy any ground objects because someone might have to move to another base, BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING THEIR ARS handed to them?
Ya know what?, If fuel wasn't a historical target, it wouldn't have been placed in the game.
I really can't understand the worthless whines I've been hearing about fuel porkage.
Deal with it, it's a strategic target. period.
AHers want realism until it effects their fun, then they step bacxkwards.
dunno about you guys, kinda embarrassed for yas.
LIMITING FUN>???? is that an actual reason for the whine, or is it you just couldn't come up with anything less pathedic. Whose trying to limit whos fun, the guy whining or the guy bombing>?
Don't shoot this guy either, it will ruin his fun. Anything else we can do to insure you have fun for $15 a month. Maybe we'll all just sit still and let you kill us all and not shoot back.
There is always skeet shooting.
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Perhaps, maybe, you might think of protecting your important targets at home. You know the ones, they limit your ability to have 100% of anything like fuel. Or maybe your just want to furball. You chose.
I just love these whines. You want some cheese with that whine?
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Animal, the discussion has evolved into shorthand to some degree. What most are saying when they mention the fuel porking is that there is a huge imbalance in the porking and resupply of fuel.
Yeah, it's a tactical and strategic target. However, as currently programmed, one guy with an ord packing fighter can swoop into a small field and in 3-4 passes knock the fuel down to 25%. This level does limit the aircraft with smaller fuel tanks or bad fuel economy, particularly on the maps with fields mostly more than a sector apart.
Now, in order to bring the fuel back UP 25%, making it 50% at the field, it takes (IIRC) SEVEN resupply sorties in a goon. Given a goon's speed, you're talking about a 10-15 minute sortie here. So let's say it takes more than an hour or more of "player flight time" to repair what one guy in a heavy fighter can do in maybe 15 minutes or so.
So even if you've got a few guys willing to spend their whole night resupplying fuel, they can't keep up with the damage just one guy can do to fuel.
Just a balance problem, easily addressed I would think. Just lower the number of resupply sorties required to bring the fuel up 25%. I'd say 2-3 would be reasonable. You can get two guys to take 15 minutes out of their play time to resupply and get a field viable again.
But an hour or more of flying? Too much.
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Thanks for the time to explain the actual probem to me Toad.
I don't pay attension to these boards much.
So the whinning is misdirected. It should be directed to HT not players.
You just posted to one player who was unaware, I simply play the game for fun. SO there are prolly many in the game as ignorant as myself to the situation.
The whine should really be directed to HT tho, not players.
HEY, if we are in a street fight, and you become a big threat to my survival, my foot is going to make contact with your balls, and anything else I can do to bring you down. If goring your eyes out works then so be it.
So in *MY* opinion, the problem is the settings, not the players.
You did make a valuable point though ;-)
anim
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It doesn't bother me, but I understand why it does some people. I think it's mostly because death means nothing in this game. When these people strat fuel/radar/barracks, they often don't even attempt to fly back to base. That would take to long. They crash, then go back to what they were doing. It isn't the stratting, it's the suiciding that ticks people off. Most of the players that actually get into the spirit of the game don't like suiciding regardless of the target.
I don't really see a way around this, though. Any of the options I can think of to make this work would cause more heartache than the original problem.
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7 goons would bring the fuel back to 125%. resupps affect each destroyed structure, ie, each fuel tank. when supps take effect, all fuel tanks are affected, bringing them all up at the same time.
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what? defend fuel ? defend bases? why, thats no "fun" i just want to "fuball", but i can't find anybody to fight.
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One guy? Only 15 minutes total to kill all the fuel at a small base? In two passes?
Sorry guys, I've never seen the pilot or uber jabo capable of doing this at a busy frontline base. Couple of guys on a milkrun yes but come on, a frontline base, can't be much of a furball in these parts.:rolleyes:
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"The Toolshed Pests -- by Sgt. Rudely Auger ?"
You have to be kidding. Right?
Good grief. You guys are so real life devoid of stimulation, your writing gay poems about AH game play?
I still don’t believe it. I refuse to believe it.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
Maybe I'm about to step out of line here.
Maybe I'm not.
Maybe I am reading into this too far
Maybe I'm not.
I just want to say,....
....hmm, I thought it was a start to another song:(
bumba
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
Granted suicide attacks are lame. SOME pile-lets, just compress themselves into the ground, I've done it a lot myself.
Then you are lame. You are, a lamer. Lame lame lame lame lame.
But this petty whinning about destroyed fuel must be a personal issue.
Why.. because you disagree?
Should I start whinning because someone porked the last hangar or Vehicle base.
Why should you... you don't care, remember?
This isn't Pong folks.
Really?.. OK WHO PUT THE PONG SIGN UP OUTSIDE? Sure seem's like the mental state of your average AH player lately would preclude a successful round of Pong... but who am I.
SO in essence, what the common whine is about is "DO NOT detroy any ground objects because someone might have to move to another base, BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING THEIR ARS handed to them?
Your use of the word whine has become rather annoying. Look up the definition of "whine" then come back and say your NOT just trying to belittle people with a view on the current state of gameplay.
Ya know what?, If fuel wasn't a historical target, it wouldn't have been placed in the game.
Putting an aspect into the game... and putting an aspect into the game THE RIGHT WAY are two entirely different things.
I really can't understand the worthless whines I've been hearing about fuel porkage.
Almost as annoying as it is repetitive. Your whining about whiners. You are a whine whiner. Qualified! (KMB is the stock symbol that'll get ya in with the Kleenex guys, in case yaz wondering)
Deal with it, it's a strategic target. period.
Did you get the "Dad of the Year" award or something? Who made you boss?
AHers want realism until it effects their fun, then they step bacxkwards.
Ya.. all that realism watching Ponies and Typhies suicide the fuel. Thats reeeally realistic Animal.
dunno about you guys, kinda embarrassed for yas.
Here's comes the whine word again.
LIMITING FUN>???? is that an actual reason for the whine, or is it you just couldn't come up with anything less pathedic. Whose trying to limit whos fun, the guy whining or the guy bombing>?
Bingo
Don't shoot this guy either, it will ruin his fun. Anything else we can do to insure you have fun for $15 a month. Maybe we'll all just sit still and let you kill us all and not shoot back.
C'mon... one more for the crowd!
There is always skeet shooting.
Dangit...
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I'm just being mean. :D
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Easyscor...
1 guy can easily drop a base to 25% in very little time...
Pee51, 2 1k eggs, rockets...
1k egg on each of 2 fuel tanks, 2 rockets a piece on others, guns for any that are left. And yes it can be done without ever touching ack. You might take a hit, but its possible to survive the event.
SKurj
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Originally posted by snocone
7 goons would bring the fuel back to 125%. resupps affect each destroyed structure, ie, each fuel tank. when supps take effect, all fuel tanks are affected, bringing them all up at the same time.
Last time I tried a resupply on Trinity to a small field with 25% fuel, I made 4 successful trips and the fuel remained at 25%. About an hour of my time. I flew the last two because I just couldn't believe the first two hadn't changed anything.
I asked around and was told it would take 7 trips.
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Actually at a small base it's very very easy for one person to destroy all the fuel, whether there's alot of cons or not. Especially in something fast on the deck like a Tiffie with it's hispanos.
Of course you won't survive but that's of no concern to the fuel porker.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Easyscor
One guy? Only 15 minutes total to kill all the fuel at a small base? In two passes?
Sorry guys, I've never seen the pilot or uber jabo capable of doing this at a busy frontline base. Couple of guys on a milkrun yes but come on, a frontline base, can't be much of a furball in these parts.:rolleyes:
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Maybe the re-supply could be changed, so that it actually affects the % of fuel supply rather than the rebuild time for all of the fuel depots.
SOB
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WTFG Bishes !!!
even when where banged from 2 sides
good job!!!
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
WTFG Bishes !!!
even when where banged from 2 sides
good job!!!
Yay... WTFG!! Run them pointless suicide runs that only make you look like a bunch of dorks who can't fight your way out of a wet paper-bag. WTFG!! You ROCK.. everyone know's expending ordnance and wasting time climbing to 20k just to suicide fuel at a base rather than engage in defense of the country in a proactive manner is the way to go!! WOO HOO... WTFG...GOOD JOB!! Keep porking that fuel... Keep forcing the bad guys to back up, and load up in P-51's and since they have the time.. climb to 20k also and wreak the same havok they would have anyway...OH YA!!.. GOOD JOB, WTFG!!!! :rolleyes:
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Well, if a country is being attacked from both sides, a good way to stave off an attack at one front is to pork the hell outta that country's front line fuel depots. The more fuel you pork, the more likely they are to start attacking at their other front. Sorry it upsets you so, perhaps you should take a nice relaxing bubble bath and think about something else.
SOB
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Most people confuse "attacking" with a good furball between 2 bases. These furballs tend to drift back and forth as folks get killed and respawn. Out of that furball there are the guys who run right at the field, pork the fuel, die and they cry "whats the plan" and " we can take this base if few of you help with the ack" etc.
Why couldnt those who arent having fun in such situation just change fields themselves? Instead of porking the fuel and the fun of those who wanna up there?
Just moving to another field would mean they go un-noticed. They can justify their lameness with "I am helping to win a war".
Fuel porking coudc be fixed now by adding more fuel objects to the fields and spreading them out to make it hard for 1 or 2 guys. Then up their hradness and reduce their down time. All this can be done without rewriting code.
Also all the large 512 x 512 maps make the fuel mod 1.
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Originally posted by SOB
Well, if a country is being attacked from both sides, a good way to stave off an attack at one front is to pork the hell outta that country's front line fuel depots. The more fuel you pork, the more likely they are to start attacking at their other front. Sorry it upsets you so, perhaps you should take a nice relaxing bubble bath and think about something else.
SOB
Like they only do it when they are being ganged by two countries. But it is a valid way to slow down the enemy. I think the point is that it's too easy. Try to focus.
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PPPHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhFff
And here I wasted 3 minutes out of my life time reading a reply that carried absolutely no information, facts or wisdom.
But then, was I really expecting it>?????
>I'm just being mean. :D
eeeeewe bully.
That's it, Im never posting here again,.... anyone see my ball?... I'm going home.
Anim
Tumor's deciple
Originally posted by Tumor
I'm just being mean. :D
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Originally posted by Tumor
Yay... WTFG!! Run them pointless suicide runs that only make you look like a bunch of dorks who can't fight your way out of a wet paper-bag. WTFG!! You ROCK.. everyone know's expending ordnance and wasting time climbing to 20k just to suicide fuel at a base rather than engage in defense of the country in a proactive manner is the way to go!! WOO HOO... WTFG...GOOD JOB!! Keep porking that fuel... Keep forcing the bad guys to back up, and load up in P-51's and since they have the time.. climb to 20k also and wreak the same havok they would have anyway...OH YA!!.. GOOD JOB, WTFG!!!! :rolleyes:
Whatta ya MEAN!!!,....... it takes a LOT of skill to hold that plane perfectly straight in a 20k drop and not miss the target. Sheeeesh
find yourself, find your comfort zone,... that's it............ good boy!!
I hate those lamers too
you're stirring the pot in the wrong direction,.... counter clockwise.
and don't splash.
Anim
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It aint the porking fuel that perterbs me... it's the lame method they go about it.... the Suicide run. And saying "well I TRY to surive" as a response doesn't make it any less a suicide run. A few folks (FEW) can get in, kill all the fuel or a majority of it and sruvive. Far more die in the process... Acks not quite strong enough to keep the fuel halfway safe, but good enough to kill the pilot in the process.
The suicide "oh golly I'm gonna affect the war" mentality just drives more lame gameplay, even a Spit at 25% has enough to get in the nearest fight, which in itself is just another suicide run.
Honestly... my k/d ratio improves drasticly when I'm forced to back up. So in a way, I should appreciate the lame-o-suicide-porkers. If I can get in the fight quicker... I will. If not, I apply a little patience, load up a Jug or Pony or whatever with lotsa gas and still show up with enough left over to bag a number of kills AND get home.
So why do I care?... I hate gamey lame-o-suicide-porkers. Not for their lack of effort, but their loss of "SIM" in the "SIMulation".
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Originally posted by Martlet
It doesn't bother me, but I understand why it does some people. I think it's mostly because death means nothing in this game. When these people strat fuel/radar/barracks, they often don't even attempt to fly back to base. That would take to long. They crash, then go back to what they were doing. It isn't the stratting, it's the suiciding that ticks people off. Most of the players that actually get into the spirit of the game don't like suiciding regardless of the target.
It isn't the cherry-pickers that are bothered by porked fuel, they take off at backwards bases anyway. But they might complain about suicide tactics although it doesn't affect them.
The furballers are suicide flyers of their own, just somewhat different than the strat fliers. They do complain about porked fuel, not suicide.
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Hmmm... I wonder how feasible it would be to make attrition part of the scoring equation for a reset. Meybe the more deaths the winning country has, the fewer perks they get. Conversely, you could award those perks to the losing country. It wouldn't stop the hardcore suicide dweeb. But, it might get the perk monkeys really annoyed with 'em :D.
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Originally posted by Toad
Last time I tried a resupply on Trinity to a small field with 25% fuel, I made 4 successful trips and the fuel remained at 25%. About an hour of my time. I flew the last two because I just couldn't believe the first two hadn't changed anything.
I asked around and was told it would take 7 trips.
The sad thing is that player resupply seems to depend on whether the field is in friendly or enemy zone.
I might be wrong...
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You are right. One more reason not to totally trash a field you are trying to take. The only way to get 'em back up with any speed is to capture the zone primary. Otherwise, they come back up at the same rate a friendly field does if the city and factories are toasted.
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Like they only do it when they are being ganged by two countries. But it is a valid way to slow down the enemy. I think the point is that it's too easy. Try to focus.
My reply was specifically in responce to Bug and Tumor. I hate it when a good furball is ruined by porked fuel too, but this "they think differently than me, therefor they're dipsh*ts and ruining EVERYONE's fun" bit is getting old. You're right, it'd be nice to either make it harder to pork the fuel, or a bit easier to restore it to at least 50%.
SOB
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Originally posted by Toad
We're thinking of getting Barry Sadler out of retirement to sing this at the memorial service.........
If you're going to ask him, you'll need a Ouija board. He died in the VA hospital in Nashville in 1989 after being shot in the head while riding in a taxi in Guatemala City.
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Oops. Didn't know that.. thanks. Guess we'll pass on him then.
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Originally posted by SOB
My reply was specifically in responce to Bug and Tumor. I hate it when a good furball is ruined by porked fuel too, but this "they think differently than me, therefor they're dipsh*ts and ruining EVERYONE's fun" bit is getting old. You're right, it'd be nice to either make it harder to pork the fuel, or a bit easier to restore it to at least 50%.
SOB
Well... that would be a good call. But, they aren't capable of what we call thought anyway :D
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LOL, you're a bastard. I like that.
SOB
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Sorry guys, I've never seen the pilot or uber jabo capable of doing this at a busy frontline base.>>
Well, you have see nothing :)
Uber jabo ? There are enough guys who
do this eating pizza with the left hand :)
Add to this two passes to deack the field
and these 15 min make them less than
5, and you have the picture of a normal
day of a good jaboer :)
Ofcourse if the lalas & spits have good
sticks maby some times you eat dust,
but all these are part of the life of the
jaboer.
All these IF you succed to pass until the
enmy field ofcourse :)
You first take the acks. If you look at
the maps more of the acks are in a near straight line parallel to the runway. You start with the bombs on the 2 acks who are far from the line with 1 pass. 2nd pass you take the 1 parallel 3nd pass you take the other.
Here i use guns. After clean from acks
you take fuell with 1 rocket each and you can have some vulch with the remaining gun ammo :)
To succeed with 2-3 lalas or spits LOW
(if lalas are high thats another story)
after 2-3 loops you must take back some E (distance + alt ) and return.
All these in a medium field not well protected.
To be serius its a little difficult and need some practise, but in a good day
with good reflects it can be done.
If the field has many cons to defend it you need 2-3 vulchers to hund the cons when you do the job.
I usually use Pony and start dive from
17-18k with 60-70d ancle.
I dont play the super jabo pilot here :)
I just say my opinion how can be done.
I know some pilots who i Know they CAN do it, even if Maby they dont know
it :) like Fariz, Joc, Dadrabit :)
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ive made a break through on porking. just kill there hangars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now is that so hard? can do with 1 buff of b17's:D :D :D :D
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I tend to the strat side, so I'm probably one of those about whom the OP is complaining. I can take my Tiffie (oohhh...) and completely down a vehicle base - rockets for the hangar, cannon for everything else. For airfields I prefer a C205 for the greater ammo capacity. Plus, it's not seen as a threat and so tends to get ignored until it's too late. Hehehe. I actually like de-acking. It makes bombing and vulching easier. Usually I survive; sometimes I don't. A real problem is the one-hit kill on the tiffie's engine.
I do think that the way fuel is set up could be better.
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Originally posted by Hades55
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Sorry guys, I've never seen the pilot or uber jabo capable of doing this at a busy frontline base.>>
He meant in real life.
Bumba
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Porking fuel is part of the Aces High.
But suicide bombing anything is IMO friggin lame. It looks like all sides are 'gaming the game' lately. I am one who is really hoping AH2 will have methods to penalize suicide bombing and the gamey tactics that are on the increase here.
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Yeah it was maybe 2 days ago our HQ was being bombed over and over.
Than by rooks than by Knits both where having the numbers u didn't knew where the nmy came from and being bounced was getting to the anoying. What the hell u expect ????
They porked ur feul good and u got anoyed Sorry they porked ur easy vulch milkman sorties bouncing bishes with the numbers.
Sorry they spoiled that!!
MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
WAR SUKS
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Yeah, I love the dive bombing lances on fleets. That has to be top of the list for lame buffs imho.
Second the B17 raid at 500 feet on an airfield, which misses everything anyway even at that alt and with that many bombs. Only to then watch them try dest strats with guns. LOL
Great fun being in a manned ack at this moment. :D
...-Gixer
-Hells Angels-
Originally posted by Pollock
Porking fuel is part of the Aces High.
But suicide bombing anything is IMO friggin lame. It looks like all sides are 'gaming the game' lately. I am one who is really hoping AH2 will have methods to penalize suicide bombing and the gamey tactics that are on the increase here.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Yeah it was maybe 2 days ago our HQ was being bombed over and over.
Than by rooks than by Knits both where having the numbers u didn't knew where the nmy came from and being bounced was getting to the anoying. What the hell u expect ????
They porked ur feul good and u got anoyed Sorry they porked ur easy vulch milkman sorties bouncing bishes with the numbers.
Sorry they spoiled that!!
MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
WAR SUKS
This from the Rope-and-HO king himself.... rich. Ahh.. they didn't spoil anything by the way. Matter of fact, didn't the Bish get wrapped up for the reset? Hmmmm.... ya always make up your own reality along the way or is it just political? :D
Sorry you spelled that too.
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LOL HO king
well better a ho king alone than the 5th dweeb coming to the gang.
Wish i was good in HO but hell i suck definitly in that.
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Unless my memory is faulty (entirely possible) hitech purposely reduced the effectiveness of resupply in the last release. Perhaps hitech is a suicide porker with his shades account? :)