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Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: StSanta on August 15, 2003, 09:29:05 PM
Picked this up at dropzone.com. Apologies if it has already been posted :)

U.S Bedtime story...

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons with which they could have fought back?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men - fifteen of them Saudi Arabians - hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people?s heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets... I mean, the Russians, are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless unAmerican Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.


Heh, funny.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Raubvogel on August 15, 2003, 09:30:17 PM
Bedtime story is right. I fell asleep after about 5 of em.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 15, 2003, 09:31:11 PM
Here's a better one:

Q:  Daddy, what's all that hot air coming out of Denmark?
A:  Denmark?  What's a Denmark?
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: SOB on August 15, 2003, 10:13:10 PM
That kind of reminded me of a Saturday Night Live skit.  It's funny and you laugh until you realize that the joke is not over and they just keep going and going and going and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Fishu on August 15, 2003, 10:20:03 PM
Only been posted to one terrorist / iraq / US  mumbo jumbo thread.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Vulcan on August 15, 2003, 11:13:07 PM
The simpleton logic comes undone about here:
Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.


Correct A: Iraq has always been given strong hints as to what would happen if they did use WMDs against US or coalition forces. In the previous war Iraq was secretly sent a message, use WMD on US forces and your home town will be hit with them. Its also worth noting that in the first gulf war Iraq HAD WMDs and didn't use them then either.



Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Correct A: the cost of victory in Iraq was relatively cheap. If China could be overthrown with such low casualties then many might look at it. Any war with China would incurr massive casualties, therefore there would be no net gain. Two wrongs don't make a right, if you can stop a dictator then do it. Some prefer to take the moral high ground and let hundreds, thousands, even millions be slaughtered just so they can feel good about their 'pacifist' beliefs (Cambodia is a great example of the peace movement influencing politicians to turn a blind eye to genocide).
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 15, 2003, 11:33:00 PM
Nice one Vulcan! :)

And yes Fishu Vulcan is a nazi too... :rolleyes:
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Post by: Fishu on August 15, 2003, 11:48:50 PM
Grunherz,

Well, you wanted to be heiled once and you're saying I'm thinking US is the great satan, so I concluded you're nationalist socialist in that case.
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Post by: capt. apathy on August 16, 2003, 12:06:46 AM
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Correct A: Iraq has always been given strong hints as to what would happen if they did use WMDs against US or coalition forces. In the previous war Iraq was secretly sent a message, use WMD on US forces and your home town will be hit with them. Its also worth noting that in the first gulf war Iraq HAD WMDs and didn't use them then either.




if they where afraid to use them on us, and we had proven that by them not using them in the first gulf war (as you say), then where was the 'clear and pressent danger' to us?  isn't this still required for the presedent to take us to war without a vote of congress?  or did the 'patriot act' take that road block out of the way too?
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Post by: Martlet on August 16, 2003, 12:20:56 AM
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
if they where afraid to use them on us, and we had proven that by them not using them in the first gulf war (as you say), then where was the 'clear and pressent danger' to us?  isn't this still required for the presedent to take us to war without a vote of congress?  or did the 'patriot act' take that road block out of the way too?


The danger wasn't so much from Iraq launching an attack on the US, but that they would sell things to terrorists who would.  Even my niece figured that out on her own, and she's growing up to be the liberal that will make her grandparents proud.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 16, 2003, 12:23:27 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Grunherz,

Well, you wanted to be heiled once and you're saying I'm thinking US is the great satan, so I concluded you're nationalist socialist in that case.


Right...  Man the schools in europe must be in terible shape if they produce thoughtless wonders like you...   :rolleyes:

BTW notice his whole argument was to call me a nazi, again...
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Post by: DmdMac on August 16, 2003, 12:48:08 AM
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Originally posted by Martlet
Here's a better one:

Q:  Daddy, what's all that hot air coming out of Denmark?
A:  Denmark?  What's a Denmark?



:rolleyes:
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Harppa on August 16, 2003, 01:01:38 AM
Hail to Hypocricy
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Post by: NUKE on August 16, 2003, 02:51:49 AM
Q: Daddy, why didn't we  attack Iraq immediatley after they violated the cease fire agreements that ended the 1st gulf war?
 
A: Because Liberals like Bill Clinton ran our country at that time
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Post by: Nash on August 16, 2003, 03:03:20 AM
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Originally posted by Martlet
Even my niece figured that out on her own, and she's growing up to be the liberal that will make her grandparents proud.


I take it you're somewhat of a disappointment to your parents? :D
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Post by: Thrawn on August 16, 2003, 03:26:39 AM
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Originally posted by Martlet
The danger wasn't so much from Iraq launching an attack on the US, but that they would sell things to terrorists who would.


Yet North Korea, which has been shown to have actually sold stratigic weapons to foreign nations, and has actually is futhering it's nuclear weapons program, is a country that can be contained and dealt with diplomatically?

Cripes, and yet Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are still great allies in the "War Against Terror".

Marlet, you must spend hours a day drilling your sorry assed rationalisations into your head to possibly believe them at all.


Iraq - Evil government that oppresses and kills it's people.  Worthy of invasion.

Every other country in the same boat.
Not worthy of invasion.


Iraq - Can attack the US with WMD in 45 mins.
Okay doesn't look like that's the case.
Worth of invasion.

North Korea - Opennly developing nuclear weapons.
Check.
Not worthy of invasion.


What ever reason the Bush administraion had to decide to invade Iraq.  Let me assure you.  It had nothing to do with Iraq sitting upon the largest oil reserves in the entire planet.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 16, 2003, 03:32:45 AM
What happend to your fine superor liberal nuanced ways Thrawn, why are you so "black & white" all of a sudden...
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 16, 2003, 03:33:55 AM
"largest oil reserves in the entire planet"

Iraq is Saudi Arabia?  


Notice he is simply back to the good old liberal standby argument:

NO BLOOD FOR OIL
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Post by: Duedel on August 16, 2003, 03:35:14 AM
There are still people supporting Bush and his brain farts (like the invasion of Iraq) ... amazing :rolleyes:

No wonder that a man like Arnold Schwarzenegger whos brain is as big as his left nut could be elected as the Governor of California.
I really hope that the modesty of his films isnt mirrored by the californian citizens - a bummer that the democratic idiot isnt much better.

Btw whats next Darth Vader for president? I would love to see a speech when he explains why he had to give the order to invade Denmark, Iran, the Netherlands and Syria.
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Post by: Siaf__csf on August 16, 2003, 03:37:18 AM
Fishu, Grunherz is a hopeless case. Let him live in his little fantasy world.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 16, 2003, 03:37:42 AM
"I would love to see a speech when he explains why he had to give the order to invade Denmark, Iran, the Netherlands and Syria."


You know what I would love to see?

I would love to see you explain to the rest of us what the hell you were thinking and smoking when typed those words...
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 16, 2003, 03:38:27 AM
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Fishu, Grunherz is a hopeless case. Let him live in his little fantasy world.


Ahh yes you're back again....
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Post by: Duedel on August 16, 2003, 03:43:29 AM
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Fishu, Grunherz is a hopeless case. Let him live in his little fantasy world.


Maybe he's Bush or Arnold ... or even Darth Vader ... who knows
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Post by: StSanta on August 16, 2003, 07:58:41 AM
Geeeshus farking d00d on a popsicle stick!

LIGHTEN UP GUYS! :D

It's for fun. Like when you do it against the dumbocrats.

Tongue In Cheek. Here's how it's done. Bend forward really far, put out tongue. That's what it looks like. What it actually is is something totally but not quite unlike what I just described.

I tried, in vain, to get a bloody CHUCKLE from you chaps. From both sides of the fence - the dumbocrats because it's targetting their adversary, and the ratpublicans because if one *possess some insight into oneself and self irony*, one usually can chuckle at things like this.

Next time I'll try it on a turkey. If it doesn't work there, I'll give up comedy alltogether. Or rather, I'll stop copycating.

And Martlet; that hot air came from the US, from a US skydiver.

The only thing Denmark produces is blonde girls and dumb boys. Who's got it best? :)
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Post by: Udie on August 16, 2003, 08:02:31 AM
I hate all of you!!

 no wait...

 I love you guys!

 wait.....

 I hate you!  You're a communist nazi!
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Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 16, 2003, 09:20:21 AM
Irony lost on the American conservatives......who would have thought.....
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 16, 2003, 11:33:49 AM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Yet North Korea, which has been shown to have actually sold stratigic weapons to foreign nations, and has actually is futhering it's nuclear weapons program, is a country that can be contained and dealt with diplomatically?

Cripes, and yet Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are still great allies in the "War Against Terror".

Marlet, you must spend hours a day drilling your sorry assed rationalisations into your head to possibly believe them at all.


 



I hear the waaaaaaaaahmbulance.

You guys love that sorry argument.  "Well, he's doing it to, but you didn't attack him".  Do you realize how stupid that sounds?  Try that in court someday.

"Well judge, the guy next to me was speeding too, but the cop didn't arrest him, so I must be innocent.  The cop is a facist/racist and treading on my rights!  Bad cop!  Bad cop!"

Wake the hell up.  I'll spell it out to you at your 3rd grade reading level.

Iraq had WMD.  
Iraq agreed to provide proof that WMD were destroyed.
Iraq had terrorists working in it's borders.
For 12 years, Iraq refused to comply with it's agreement.
For 12 years,  Iraq failed to respond to sanctions, and other peaceful means to force them to comply.
Iraq still continued to aid and abet terrorists.
The US steps up it's campaign against terrorism.
Iraq shows no sign of complying with it's agreement.
US kicks the crap out of it.
Liberals cry, saying they need another 12 years of negotiating.
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Post by: Martlet on August 16, 2003, 11:37:00 AM
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Originally posted by StSanta

And Martlet; that hot air came from the US, from a US skydiver.

The only thing Denmark produces is blonde girls and dumb boys. Who's got it best? :)


The hot air came, as usual, from Europe.  In fact, so much hot air comes from that direction, I'm surprised the trade winds don't run in the opposite direction.
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Post by: Vulcan on August 16, 2003, 07:19:53 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Yet North Korea, which has been shown to have actually sold stratigic weapons to foreign nations, and has actually is futhering it's nuclear weapons program, is a country that can be contained and dealt with diplomatically?


Can NK be contained any other way than diplomatically? Why do you think the NK-crazies talk it up in the press?

Any conflict with NK would incur massive casualties. NK is not the 3rd world army Iraq had.

The US is also doing a reasonable job in isolating NKs 'exports', where as Iraq had so many dodgey borders it was fairly hard to put a lid on it.

Maybe it is all about oil, but I'd wager theres a few Iraqi's sighing a breath of relief. I know a ****load of Cambodians who ask me - why didn't anyone help like the US did in Iraq, when Pol Pot was killing their families. Man how some of them wish their country had oil reserves ;)
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Post by: StSanta on August 17, 2003, 05:47:42 AM
Martlet wrote:

The hot air came, as usual, from Europe. In fact, so much hot air comes from that direction, I'm surprised the trade winds don't run in the opposite direction.

It's the diet Americans enjoy. You off-gass so much you upset our relatively mild hot airing.

All that bull manure causes problems all over the world. No wonder you dinnae like Kyoto :D
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Post by: Martlet on August 17, 2003, 08:38:57 AM
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Originally posted by StSanta
Martlet wrote:

The hot air came, as usual, from Europe. In fact, so much hot air comes from that direction, I'm surprised the trade winds don't run in the opposite direction.

It's the diet Americans enjoy. You off-gass so much you upset our relatively mild hot airing.

All that bull manure causes problems all over the world. No wonder you dinnae like Kyoto :D


Here we go again.  Europeans blaming the US for their screw ups.  If they'd stop sitting on the side lines crying about how horrible the US makes their lives, there might be a few decent countries over there.
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Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 17, 2003, 09:21:23 AM
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Originally posted by Martlet
Here we go again.  Europeans blaming the US for their screw ups.  If they'd stop sitting on the side lines crying about how horrible the US makes their lives, there might be a few decent countries over there.


Please promise never to come and visit....please, please please....we're trying to keep our ratio of adults to ignorant obnoxious bigots as low as possible and your staying on your side of the pond would be of great assistance  in our quest.

Ps. Have a good blackout? (Humming the tune of "Banana Republic" as I type....)

Pps. This post is also available in a North American version (but not Canadian) and include those words and phrases more easily understood in that region - ie. "Nuke Em!!", "Bring it On!!", "Kill em All", "Large Fries with that?" as well as "Salute" and the all time favourite - the shallow and stomach churning "Have a nice day" uttered with fake sincerity.
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Post by: Martlet on August 17, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Please promise never to come and visit....please, please please....we're trying to keep our ratio of adults to ignorant obnoxious bigots as low as possible and your staying on your side of the pond would be of great assistance  in our quest.

Ps. Have a good blackout? (Humming the tune of "Banana Republic" as I type....)

Pps. This post is also available in a North American version (but not Canadian) and include those words and phrases more easily understood in that region - ie. "Nuke Em!!", "Bring it On!!", "Kill em All", "Large Fries with that?" as well as "Salute" and the all time favourite - the shallow and stomach churning "Have a nice day" uttered with fake sincerity.


If I don't come visit, you won't have an economy.
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Post by: john9001 on August 17, 2003, 11:47:07 AM
have a nice day
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Post by: Tumor on August 17, 2003, 02:54:18 PM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Please promise never to come and visit....please, please please....we're trying to keep our ratio of adults to ignorant obnoxious bigots as low as possible and your staying on your side of the pond would be of great assistance  in our quest.

 


Sorry... but I for one did visit.  3ys.  Good times, I left... I was glad.  Your right, England should do everything possible to limit the number of obnoxious adults.  Never in all my travels have I seen so many in one place.
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Post by: Holden McGroin on August 18, 2003, 01:47:22 AM
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Originally posted by Duedel
Btw whats next Darth Vader for president?  


Darth Vader can't run, as he was born in a galaxy far far away, and therefor is disqualified for the US Presidency.  One must be born in the USA.

As far as WMD's, I am withholding judgement for a little longer.

It has only been four months since "end of major military action".  Hell, I've lost my car keys for longer than that.
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Post by: Duedel on August 18, 2003, 02:25:54 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Darth Vader can't run, as he was born in a galaxy far far away, and therefor is disqualified for the US Presidency.  One must be born in the USA.


Hmm, maybe the USA should invade this galaxy so that Darth will be qualified then?
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 18, 2003, 02:31:12 AM
Its intersting you mention the balckout Schadenfreude, while New Yorkers slept peacefully o the streets and as US hotels donated blankets and stores donted food to the stranded people, Canadian savages were looting and rioting in Ottawa and other large (LOL) Canadian villages...
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Post by: Martlet on August 18, 2003, 02:52:24 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Darth Vader can't run, as he was born in a galaxy far far away, and therefor is disqualified for the US Presidency.  One must be born in the USA.

As far as WMD's, I am withholding judgement for a little longer.

It has only been four months since "end of major military action".  Hell, I've lost my car keys for longer than that.


Speaking of car keys, I just found mine after being missing for 6 months.  It was my only set, too.  I knew they'd turn up eventually.
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Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 18, 2003, 03:40:18 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Its intersting you mention the balckout Schadenfreude, while New Yorkers slept peacefully o the streets and as US hotels donated blankets and stores donted food to the stranded people, Canadian savages were looting and rioting in Ottawa and other large (LOL) Canadian villages...


As I said it was probably due to lack of gun ownership in the big white north!

Or perhaps Canadians have a different definition to looting and rioting?
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Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 18, 2003, 03:42:38 AM
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Originally posted by Tumor
Sorry... but I for one did visit.  3ys.  Good times, I left... I was glad.  Your right, England should do everything possible to limit the number of obnoxious adults.  Never in all my travels have I seen so many in one place.


They probably weren't being obnoxious.....you just were having difficulty adjusting to local customs ie queues and couldn't speak the local language.
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Post by: threedays on August 18, 2003, 04:13:03 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nice one Vulcan! :)

And yes Fishu Vulcan is a nazi too... :rolleyes:


cool stuff Santa ...

anyway guys.. did you miss tolerance campain in central europe or what ?


Be kind to your local Nazi .. :D
http://prague.tv/zine/article.php?name=bekindvideo
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: StSanta on August 18, 2003, 11:44:52 AM
Martlet wrote:
Here we go again. Europeans blaming the US for their screw ups. If they'd stop sitting on the side lines crying about how horrible the US makes their lives, there might be a few decent countries over there.

On the other hand, if Martletians every once and a while heaved their great bulge out of the door and took a look, they'd realize that,. in fact, there are a few decent countries 'over there'.

Which does much to confirm this posters second to original point :D.

This is fun Martlet. You Americans shall make excellent pets once our World Domination Plan goes public beta. :D
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 18, 2003, 11:58:41 AM
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Originally posted by StSanta
Martlet wrote:
Here we go again. Europeans blaming the US for their screw ups. If they'd stop sitting on the side lines crying about how horrible the US makes their lives, there might be a few decent countries over there.

On the other hand, if Martletians every once and a while heaved their great bulge out of the door and took a look, they'd realize that,. in fact, there are a few decent countries 'over there'.

Which does much to confirm this posters second to original point :D.

This is fun Martlet. You Americans shall make excellent pets once our World Domination Plan goes public beta. :D


Last count, "a few" hardly constituted quorum.

You guys have released several World Domination Plan beta's.  None of them ever go gold, though.  They all fail miserably and go back for testing.  On the other hand, the U.S.A. beta launched, it went gold than continued on to be a best seller.  It's still the hottest game out there.  You should learn from it.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 18, 2003, 01:16:44 PM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Please promise never to come and visit....please, please please....we're trying to keep our ratio of adults to ignorant obnoxious bigots as low as possible and your staying on your side of the pond would be of great assistance  in our quest.

 


Americans are crucial to tourism in the UK," says Neil Wootton, managing director of the British travel firm Premium Tours. "They bring in more tourist revenue than any other nation in the world. They are far more likely to go out, go on tours, buy souvenirs, go to the theater (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p07s01-woeu.html)
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: JimBear on August 18, 2003, 01:35:02 PM
This is just getting downright rude.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: StSanta on August 18, 2003, 05:06:20 PM
Martlet wrote:

Last count, "a few" hardly constituted quorum.

May I remind you that it was you who said '...might be a few decent countries over there.

And I couldn't agree more with you. lovely when you're arguing my point for me :).

You guys have released several World Domination Plan beta's. None of them ever go gold, though. They all fail miserably and go back for testing. On the other hand, the U.S.A. beta launched, it went gold than continued on to be a best seller. It's still the hottest game out there. You should learn from it.

Well, since the US is but a baby dirtying its diapers still, I shall take the role of the loving older brother and explain a wee bit of how the world works.

First, the world might not be too big a place, but there's a thing called time. To say time is huge would be wrong. to say it's small or in the middle would be quite stupid too. We've worked this way out of measuring according to our own prejudiced and limited understanding. How time applies to empires is well described in a book called 'The rise and fall of empires' - cannot recall the author. Anyhow, since time is this huge but not huge undefinable real thing, the book basically states that all great empires ever to ahve existed have eventually, given enough time, succumbed. Some lasted for thousands of years - the US empire is but some 100 years old.

Since you're not a software developer either, I feel I must inform you that due to a bug in the OS (or, as God calls it, a 'feature', all World Domination Plans, whether in beta or gone gold have a basic trial period. Once it goes out, out goes the empire - whether you like it or not.

Enjoy your stay. Won't be long before you or your grandchildren will have to wear Danish collars.

:D
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 18, 2003, 05:37:08 PM
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Originally posted by StSanta
Martlet wrote:

Last count, "a few" hardly constituted quorum.

May I remind you that it was you who said '...might be a few decent countries over there.

And I couldn't agree more with you. lovely when you're arguing my point for me :).

You guys have released several World Domination Plan beta's. None of them ever go gold, though. They all fail miserably and go back for testing. On the other hand, the U.S.A. beta launched, it went gold than continued on to be a best seller. It's still the hottest game out there. You should learn from it.

Well, since the US is but a baby dirtying its diapers still, I shall take the role of the loving older brother and explain a wee bit of how the world works.

First, the world might not be too big a place, but there's a thing called time. To say time is huge would be wrong. to say it's small or in the middle would be quite stupid too. We've worked this way out of measuring according to our own prejudiced and limited understanding. How time applies to empires is well described in a book called 'The rise and fall of empires' - cannot recall the author. Anyhow, since time is this huge but not huge undefinable real thing, the book basically states that all great empires ever to ahve existed have eventually, given enough time, succumbed. Some lasted for thousands of years - the US empire is but some 100 years old.

Since you're not a software developer either, I feel I must inform you that due to a bug in the OS (or, as God calls it, a 'feature', all World Domination Plans, whether in beta or gone gold have a basic trial period. Once it goes out, out goes the empire - whether you like it or not.

Enjoy your stay. Won't be long before you or your grandchildren will have to wear Danish collars.

:D


You need to stay off the crack, and improve your English comprehension.  Your quote, even if taken in the context you meant it, still completely proves my point.  If it proves yours also, then I apologize.  I didn't know you were arguing that Europe has a distinct lack of sense or nads.

Hold on to your dream of world domination, though.  Every child must have it's fantasies.  I look forward to the day we annex Denmark, and you're cleaning my house for a living.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Holden McGroin on August 18, 2003, 05:57:45 PM
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Originally posted by Duedel
Hmm, maybe the USA should invade this galaxy so that Darth will be qualified then?


Sorry he lived a long, long time ago.  You would have to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics in order to field him as a candidate.  

And as fo invading, the last time the USA added sovereign territory was just over 100 years ago.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 18, 2003, 06:11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
Americans are crucial to tourism in the UK," says Neil Wootton, managing director of the British travel firm Premium Tours. "They bring in more tourist revenue than any other nation in the world. They are far more likely to go out, go on tours, buy souvenirs, go to the theater (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p07s01-woeu.html)


er I hate to point this out but a travel firm selling tours to Americans might not be the best straw to grasp when presenting the argument about how much Americans are needed - old Neil there might want your money but that's about it.

However here is there website...

http://www.premiumtours.co.uk/ourtours.html

Looks slightly tacky and in very poor taste and more than a bit of a rip-off...but I'm just a local feel free to make use of Mr Wootton services if you must.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 18, 2003, 06:13:41 PM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
er I hate to point this out but a travel firm selling tours to Americans might not be the best straw to grasp when presenting the argument about how much Americans are needed - old Neil there might want your money but that's about it.

However here is there website...

http://www.premiumtours.co.uk/ourtours.html

Looks slightly tacky and in very poor taste and more than a bit of a rip-off...but I'm just a local feel free to make use of Mr Wootton services if you must.


CSM is a travel agency now?  Are you sure English is your primary language?
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 18, 2003, 06:14:54 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
If I don't come visit, you won't have an economy.


again not quite true...take a look at this, make sure you're sitting down.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030901&s=hutton
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 18, 2003, 06:17:00 PM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
again not quite true...take a look at this, make sure you're sitting down.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030901&s=hutton


Ahhh, an editorial.  How about some facts (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p07s01-woeu.html) instead?
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: StSanta on August 18, 2003, 06:24:06 PM
Martlet wrote:
You need to stay off the crack, and improve your English comprehension. Your quote, even if taken in the context you meant it, still completely proves my point. If it proves yours also, then I apologize. I didn't know you were arguing that Europe has a distinct lack of sense or nads.

Let us look at it, shall we? The quote is:
If they'd stop sitting on the side lines crying about how horrible the US makes their lives, there might be a few decent countries over there.

Now, my 'English comprehension' - or should that be "understanding of the English language"? focuses on the use of the following structure:

"if......there might be ", in other words, if a certain criterion is fulfilled, then the result might be a few decent countries over there.

While there's not enough information (your fault) in the sentence to deduct whether there would be any decent countries prior to this announcement or not, the text suggests, or can be interpreted as suggesting that there is not. I'd phrased it 'if they'd stop sitting on the side lines crying about how horrible the US makes their lives, then it is possible that a few countries over there could turn into decent ones.'. Less ambiguity, easier to parse.

Fine and dandy, let's move on. I'll stay off the crack pipe if you stay off the gay porn.

Your next post in response to my 'arguing my point for me' response is:

Last count, "a few" hardly constituted quorum.

This one taxes someone who was schooled on English, not American English. "Last count", for instance, is syntactically acceptable but given the context and followed by "a few hardly constituted quorum" it's unnecessary contrived.

Quorum is defined as:
quorum
n : a gathering of members of an organization large enough to      transact business

Alrighty, so you first suggest there isn't any decent countries 'over there' (although you can of course due to the lack of informational value of your original post claim that there indeed were decent countries before your post).

Then, you say that there are, but only a few of them. Hm, either there are or there are not. To further confuse matters, you suggest that for there to be any, even if there are a few, they must be enough for a gathering of members of an organisation large enough to transact business. So it's not enough for there to be one or more; they must meet a second criterion. Whether this criterion has anything to do with being decent or not is not known.

So I am wondering, my beloved American pet, if you are smoking the same sh|t as I am.

Alas, 'tis easy to blame the poor reader for his or her lack of comprehension. Mayhap, however, the guilt should be shared with the author who lingers and plays with obtuse and unclear language, defining some but not enough all while failing utterly to provide a thread of commonality between the various posts.

Hold on to your dream of world domination, though. Every child must have it's fantasies. I look forward to the day we annex Denmark, and you're cleaning my house for a living.

Ah, my gullible child - little do you understand that this scenario is part of our manipulation of the world. You see, soon after Danes take over the house chores in US homes, there'll be a baby boom. And Americans shall not be the fathers of those children.

Now I must go to the loo. A loo, I might add, that is older than your country. Toodlepipski.

Oh, pick my post apart too. I suffer from insomnia and need to find a way to pass time.

Cheers Martlet :)
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 18, 2003, 06:27:20 PM
It's just an opinion...no need to get hot flush over it..gosh it's so nice to see an actual American show all of us old Europeans just exactly what you're made of....shouldn't you be threatening me with physical violence about now?

I'm amazed that you actually want to come over at all....won't you feel a little out of place?
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on August 18, 2003, 06:30:17 PM
Not sure I follow the logic of the skydiver without a girlfriend thing...I might need some additional information....
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Martlet on August 18, 2003, 06:32:54 PM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
It's just an opinion...no need to get hot flush over it..gosh it's so nice to see an actual American show all of us old Europeans just exactly what you're made of....shouldn't you be threatening me with physical violence about now?

I'm amazed that you actually want to come over at all....won't you feel a little out of place?


An opinion used to refute a fact.  It still remains an opinion.  Threatening you with physical violence would be nuts, but I'm not surprised you made that stretch.  I'd hardly fly to England just to knock the crap out of you.

Of course I'd feel out of place.  Being in another country, I WOULD be out of place.  Glad I could spell that out for you.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: Holden McGroin on August 18, 2003, 06:35:17 PM
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Originally posted by StSanta
Ah, my gullible child - little do you understand that this scenario is part of our manipulation of the world. You see, soon after Danes take over the house chores in US homes, there'll be a baby boom. And Americans shall not be the fathers of those children.


An idea stolen from the Planet of the Apes saga.

Hollywood gets all the good ideas.
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: threedays on August 18, 2003, 07:01:13 PM
lol we will probably run out of food w/o US tourists LOL

naaa its time to have a look around  (and add some chinese and arabic signs on boards )

anyway i noted that a lot of people from ME came to our country this year..

basicaly, if i will see less drunk amercan tourists on our streets ( you will identify them, because they have cup of beer all the time in their hand, they walk with it all the time every where... dont know why..) and more people from other countries, its great, we will have less noisy drunk dweebs out there (specialy after midnight, while they are rtb from pubs)
Title: US bedtime story...
Post by: StSanta on August 19, 2003, 09:21:24 AM
McGroin, and who do you think inspired Hollywood?

It's all coming together now.