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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tarmac on August 15, 2003, 11:26:44 PM
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Power back here at around 6:45pm. Cable modem just came up a few minutes ago.
26.5 hours without electricity really makes you appreciate it. The worst part wansn't even lack of A/C, it was the fact that all the traffic lights went out and the police didn't have the manpower to direct traffic. 4-way stops everywhere.
Good to be back.
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Try living in a rural area...it happens with every thunderstorm here. My house is total electric (including my water well). Longest I've been out of power was 4 days.
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After the ice storms in early December here in North Carolina, we lost power for five days. And while no power in the summer sucks, no power with freezing temperatures sucks infinitely more.
Plus it took another 10 days for the cable modem to come back up after the electricity was restored. Oy!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Wussies! I was snowed in at my mother's house for 4 days with no beer after the blizzard we had in 96 or 97. She was lucky to make it out alive.
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Boy, does it suck, no power, especially with cranky teenage children in the house.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Wussies! I was snowed in at my mother's house for 4 days with no beer after the blizzard we had in 96 or 97. She was lucky to make it out alive.
Point being, never, never travel without a 10 day supply.:D
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Gunthr, if that was directed at me, I haven't been a teenager in 3 years. :)
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rpm, the problem is, there is no such thing as a "10 days supply" of beer.
The stuff just doesn't keep.
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Sept 21st to Oct 25th, 1989. That sucked. After the first week ya got used to it though.
We had to boil our water for the first couple weeks, that was the worst part.
Of course, generators came in handy too, but they would only run a couple things.
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Sure sounds like a suck to me. Nothing personal tarmac, just commenting in general.
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Obviously you guys back east are no where near as good as Gray Davis when it comes to handling power issues.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Obviously you guys back east are no where near as good as Gray Davis when it comes to handling power issues.
LOL!
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Gunthr, if that was directed at me, I haven't been a teenager in 3 years. -Tarmac
Ahh, sorry - my ineffective communication skills strike again...
I was talking about my teenagers.
When the power is out, there is:
No TV
No Computer
No Instant Messaging
OMG! There is nothing to do! :eek: - makes em cranky
This happens a lot in Florida by the way. We refer to Florida Power and Light as "Florida Flicker and Flash."
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What wonders me is how that people thought they can have a nuclear war with us...
I am happy that such things are impossible here. Last long (few hours) blackout happened in Moscow in late-40s.
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Nuclear war is still a strong possibility boroda. The mechanism for nuclear war with russia is fully in place and armed.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Nuclear war is still a strong possibility boroda. The mechanism for nuclear war with russia is fully in place and armed.
The same thing here :( Despite of the efforts to "disarm" our strategic missile forces... In early 90s our president said that our missiles are no longer aimed at american targets, but unfortunately, events of 1999 and 2003 definetly made our brass hats change their minds... :(
The problem is that nuclear attack is not nessesary to destroy your industry and cause heavy civilian losses :( It's a great danger - the world's strongest economics can't survive a minor accident with power supplies...
It's one of the things where Socialist (i mean Soviet socialism) system is stronger then Capitalist. Planned electric network has 3-5 backup levels, and makes it almost impossible to cut off Russian industry and population centers from powerplants.
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the russian missles are all rusty hulks that can't get off the ground. russia =paper tiger.
daddy, tell us a bedtime story , tell us again about chernoble.
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Originally posted by john9001
the russian missles are all rusty hulks that can't get off the ground. russia =paper tiger.
daddy, tell us a bedtime story , tell us again about chernoble.
Wanna try? Good luck.
Especially when we returned MIRV missiles to combat duty after US withdrew from 1972 ABM treaty...
Every several months we have test launches that hit 10m circles at a test ground at Kamchatka. I bet you never see this on your TV.
Very sad that some people still think this way :(
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are the russians still selling rides in MIGs for gas money?
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Originally posted by Boroda
It's one of the things where Socialist (i mean Soviet socialism) system is stronger then Capitalist. Planned electric network has 3-5 backup levels, and makes it almost impossible to cut off Russian industry and population centers from powerplants.
and of course, rural areas never had electicity installed in the first place, so no blackouts there...
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Originally posted by john9001
the russian missles are all rusty hulks that can't get off the ground. russia =paper tiger.
I certainly hope you are trying to make a joke. Just cause they are old doesn't mean they are harmless. I don't think the US has made any "New" ICBM's since the Russians. Wasn't that part of one of the Treaties?
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Originally posted by rpm371
I certainly hope you are trying to make a joke. Just cause they are old doesn't mean they are harmless.
you don't just stick a missle in the ground and leave it, you ever hear of maintance? the russians can't even pay their troops, you think they can maintain their missles and launch systems?
per the disarmament treaty the russians could not even afford to disarm their own missles , the USA had to loan them the money to do it and help them remove the warheads.
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Originally posted by udet
and of course, rural areas never had electicity installed in the first place, so no blackouts there...
Well, I have travelled a lot, and really did see some villages in the mountains or taiga that have no electricity. There are some places in "traditionally" power-poor places like Krasnodar region where in some distant villages they have power for 4 hours daily, but they hardly can be called "industrial or population centres".
The State Electrical Network is one of the vital structures, and all the main lines have 3-5 backup levels. They were designed during cold war (thank you guys for your threat since 1946), and were supposed to withstand massive nuclear strikes. So, it's almost impossible to, for example, cut Moscow off from Volga powerstations or central-Russia nuclear powerplants, not even speaking about the fact that we have 14 (fourteen) powerplants in Moscow.
Now the electric network turned into a great "market place" for electrical producers and consumers. For example, when a steel factory builds their own "backup" power station - they sell the unnessesary power to the global network, and this power is delivered to some other place thousand kilometers away where someone needs it. The whole European Russia, Urals and Western Siberia are covered by this net.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Try living in a rural area...it happens with every thunderstorm here. My house is total electric (including my water well). Longest I've been out of power was 4 days.
Just save a few pennies and think ahead(click here) (http://hectorshardware.com/genul25elgen.html)
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Originally posted by john9001
you don't just stick a missle in the ground and leave it, you ever hear of maintance? the russians can't even pay their troops, you think they can maintain their missles and launch systems?
per the disarmament treaty the russians could not even afford to disarm their own missles , the USA had to loan them the money to do it and help them remove the warheads.
Yes, exactly, you just don't make electrical lines and forget about them - they need maintenance. Funny that the country that suddenly discovers that 50 millions are sitting in the dark burning candles teaches us how to deal with our strategic weapons.
As for "loaning" money - in fact US just gave us that money because you guys are still afraid. If you are rich enough to pay us for the missiles that were supposed to be removed from combat duty - you are always welcome.
After we lost the cold war we had to state it plain and clear: we can't afford a full-scale conventional war with agressive blocks like NATO, and we rely mostly on pre-emptive nuclear strike. It's sad, but true :(
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I bet the US consumes a LOT more electricity per capita than any where in Europe or Asia. Hell, Europeans don't even chill their beer and how many in Russia have year round electric cooling and heating Boroda? I think we're comparing oranges and apples here.
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Oh great the American idiots and the Russian idiots are having a tetosterone competition over nuclear warefare.........
Nyah! Nyah! we can destroy you!!
No you can't!!
Yes we can!!
No you can't!!!
Yes we can!!!!
Got to stop visiting here...either that or I'm going to write a thesis on idiots on the net....room temp iq's abound.
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U.S. company is developing a steam powered solar generator.
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Boro-moron
what in the hell does our power outage have to do with nuclear war with your two bit country?
just lonely and wanted attention or what??
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Originally posted by AKIron
I bet the US consumes a LOT more electricity per capita than any where in Europe or Asia. Hell, Europeans don't even chill their beer and how many in Russia have year round electric cooling and heating Boroda? I think we're comparing oranges and apples here.
Most of the urban population here has central heating, not electric. In Moscow most of the electricity is produced on "heat/electric stations" that supply heat as well as electricity.
It's hard to live without heating in winter here.
In Moscow heat is usually supplied from October to late April.
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You Euros with the smug attitudes regarding our recent power problems are clueless. Take a look at France. How many have died due to a little heat? 2,000... 3,000... maybe 5,000? Their heat wave would be considered a mild summer here in many heavily populated areas in the US. How many died during our crisis, 1 or 2.
There is no comparing the drain on our power grids with yours.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Oh great the American idiots and the Russian idiots are having a tetosterone competition over nuclear warefare.........
Nyah! Nyah! we can destroy you!!
No you can't!!
Yes we can!!
No you can't!!!
Yes we can!!!!
Got to stop visiting here...either that or I'm going to write a thesis on idiots on the net....room temp iq's abound.
Thanks ;)
I just wanted to point out that I find it amusing how that country thought they can have a nuclear war when a minor malfunction brings 50 millions into darkness, without even basic sanitary services. You know, they had a first nulear-war plan against USSR in 1946... They should better spend some money on civilian infrastructure instead.
I don't think that there is anything in this world worth the full-scale nuclear war...
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The USA is still a viable, going State.
The USSR no longer exists.
You're right Boroda, I don't know how we expected to outlast the USSR.
BTW, can anyone get this hook out of my mouth :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
what in the hell does our power outage have to do with nuclear war with your two bit country?
sure, it doesn't have anything to do with nuclear war. Dozen of standard army "ring cumulative charges" (K3K) used against electric line masts can bring you down to stone age :(
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Originally posted by Boroda
Every several months we have test launches that hit 10m circles at a test ground at Kamchatka. I bet you never see this on your TV.
*cough* Bullshlt *cough*
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Originally posted by Hortlund
*cough* Bullshlt *cough*
So Sweedish TV doesn't show it too
:D
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Originally posted by Boroda
sure, it doesn't have anything to do with nuclear war. Dozen of standard army "ring cumulative charges" (K3K) used against electric line masts can bring you down to stone age :(
shhhhh...I have it on good authority that Bin Laden reads these boards.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Oh great the American idiots and the Russian idiots are having a tetosterone competition over nuclear warefare.........
Nyah! Nyah! we can destroy you!!
No you can't!!
Yes we can!!
No you can't!!!
Yes we can!!!!
Got to stop visiting here...either that or I'm going to write a thesis on idiots on the net....room temp iq's abound.
And the British idiot chimes in for good measure.
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Originally posted by Boroda
So Sweedish TV doesn't show it too
:D
Soviet MIRVs with a CEP of 10 meters? Nope, that is only shown on some communist channel.
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Boroda is known to "slightly" exagerate. LOL
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it is error in translation , 10M is not 10 meters, but 10 miles
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So how many of you went outside and exercised since you couldn't play video games or watch tv?
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it looked like lots of NYers exercised that day , it looked like the NY marathon on TV.
i heard many NY workers keep a "go-bag' at work after 9-11, with flashlite, sneakers, energy bars,radio, etc.
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heard many NY workers keep a "go-bag' at work after 9-11, with flashlite, sneakers, energy bars,radio, etc.
If I worked in a high rise, I would seriously keep a parachute with me too. I know this is off-topic, but would a parachute work if it was kept in its pack for over a year? Does one have to unfold it every once in a while to make it work?
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So Boroda do you believe your own lies or what
http://www.disasterrelief.org/Disasters/020103euweather/
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002sYb
if you want I will find more
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by davidpt40
If I worked in a high rise, I would seriously keep a parachute with me too. I know this is off-topic, but would a parachute work if it was kept in its pack for over a year? Does one have to unfold it every once in a while to make it work?
Nah, it will work if you are using a base-jump chute. You wont have a spring-triggered parachute anyway since you would be jumping with the pilot in your hand.
The way a "normal" parachute works is when you pull the chord you open the back of the pack, this lets a spring push out the pilot (small chute that pulls out the big chute).
Anyway, when you do base jumps there is very little marigin for error therefore you jump with the pilot already extended. You hold it in your hand, and when you let it go, it will pull out the main chute.
Now the only reason for faliure I can imagine with an old chute is that the spring that pushes out the pilot for some reason gets broken or dull or whatever. No such problem with a base-jump chute.
But Im sure Im wrong here as usual, and in that case I am also sure that Santa can correct me :)
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Wussies! I was snowed in at my mother's house for 4 days with no beer after the blizzard we had in 96 or 97. She was lucky to make it out alive.
That's funny!
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Originally posted by Boroda
Thanks ;)
I just wanted to point out that I find it amusing how that country thought they can have a nuclear war when a minor malfunction brings 50 millions into darkness, without even basic sanitary services. You know, they had a first nulear-war plan against USSR in 1946... They should better spend some money on civilian infrastructure instead.
I don't think that there is anything in this world worth the full-scale nuclear war...
That is FREAKING FUNNY!!!! :D Uh boroda, you do realize our "poor" over here have TV's and cars right? That 1st paragraph is funny coming from a Russian who has just said that parts of his country only get electricity for 4 hours a day, if at all!!! LOL!!!! How long do you think any other Nations (besides Canada or US) would have been without power?
50 million people get the switch turned back on within 2 days? That's pretty freakin good if you ask me....
I agree 1000% with your last sentence. We don't need a full scale nucUlar :D war. We just need enough to go off and take out france and her terrorist friends.....
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Europeans don't even chill their beer
I take that as an big insult! !
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Hortlund
Well, you're essentially right in that if you want to jump off a building, you definitely would want a proper BASE rig on your back.
Student rigs have a spring loaded pilot chute. A ripcord goes through the closing loop and when the ripcord is ripped out, the springloaded pilot pops out. On normal skydiving gear you have a small pouch on the bottom of your container (called BOC for Bottom of Container, duh :)). You could potentially just take the pilot out and hold it in your hand and then jump off a building.
This would still be a bad idea because normal canopies tend to 'snivel' when they open i.e a staged deployment intentional (or sometimes unintentional) to reduce the opening shock. It's not uncommon to need between 50-200 meters to get full deployment. Potentially more if you're not at terminal velocity.
BASE chutes are reinforced and packed in a different way - they're not placed in bags and the lines are IIRC stored differently. They're usually large (230sqft and upwards), very reliable and produce on-heading openings consistently. And they open HARD and fast, as in arse kicking hard and fast compared to regular canopies according to a friend of mine. With normal canopies it's not uncommon to have opening that twist between 45-180 degrees - SLAM into the building if you jumped off one :D.
As you say, a BASE rig is simpler and less things can go wrong with it. It has to be, since there ain't a spare.
You know surprisingly much for a whuffo Hortlund - are you SURE there isn't a skydiver somewhere inside you, eagerly waiting to jump out? :). We could even do some RW together. I must warn you though; I am primarily a free flyer and my belly flying RW skills aren't very good :)
DavidPT
Check out this link (http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=49783;search_string=how%20does%20a%20BASE%20rig%20work;#49783)
for a discussion on emergency parachute system. And yes, it'd need to be repacked every 3-6 months to be safe. You'd need skydiving training to use it safely though - it's all in the thread. Problems would be maintaining a good body position, tracking away from the building, judging the downdrafts/updrafts etc etc. Hard enough to pull off safely by experienced BASE jumpers from non burning buildings. Still, having a chance beats not having one :)
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Originally posted by narsus
So Boroda do you believe your own lies or what
http://www.disasterrelief.org/Disasters/020103euweather/
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002sYb
if you want I will find more
:rolleyes:
Brilliant! Extraordinary!
You have discovered the Truth!
There are temperatures below freezing in Russia. It's a great military secret, now KGB will come and kill everyone who have read this. More to say, they have homeless people who freeze sometimes, and some Russians (shhhhh!!!) even get so drunk that they fell in the streets and freeze! 39 people frozen in a city of 10-15 millions - what an extraordinary death rate! They will all freeze soon!
And the horrible accidnent at the Ukrainian power station that was closed more then a year ago! It's all done by the evil Russians who secretly built nuclear powerplants at the Ukraine! What a horrible crime!
:D :D :D
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Originally posted by Stringer
The USA is still a viable, going State.
The USSR no longer exists.
You're right Boroda, I don't know how we expected to outlast the USSR.
BTW, can anyone get this hook out of my mouth :)
Another great secret JFYI: The Great Principate of Moscow no longer exists! As well as Russian Empire, Golden, White and Blue Hordes, Novgorod republik and (what a great loss!) a Kiev's Russia of Ryurik and st. Vladimir!
Look, you already outlasted four Russian states! Oh, sorry, three of them ceased to exist before white men came to America...
:D :D :D
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Soviet MIRVs with a CEP of 10 meters? Nope, that is only shown on some communist channel.
Well, in the 80s our military was seriously thinking of replacing nuclear warheads with conventional, because the accuracy was good enough to knock out enemy missile silos without using nukes...
Modern ICBM warhead hits the circle of 3-6 meters.
I don't think I talk too much... All this things must be well-known by now.
Edit: about "communist" channel. The funniest thing is that we have Orthodox priests blessing strategic nuclear missiles! Who said "communists"?! :eek:
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ROFL!!
You are a clown Boroda.
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So you admit that your "perfect indestructable" power systems actually go down.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
ROFL!!
You are a clown Boroda.
Sweedish army recieved first automatic rifle? How long did it take them to figure out how the damn thing works?
:D
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Before the Cold War reaches catastrophic proportions, I think it best to close this discussion.
Boroda, you need to get over the 'Cold War' attitude. It is just wrong on so many levels it is not even funny.