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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on August 18, 2003, 04:48:31 PM
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The poll, conducted for the AP by ICR-International Communications Research of Media, Pa., found 52 percent favor a law banning gay marriages, while 41 percent oppose it.
link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&ncid=536&e=6&u=/ap/20030818/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage_ap_poll_2)
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Up theirs! :D
Go find the results of the poll, and the title should read:
"Old People, Rednecks, Illiterates and Yank-Wannabe Swedes are Homophobes, or Like We didn't Know Already" :D
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Was there a "I prefer not to meddle in other people's private affairs" option to that poll?
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that'd be included in the 41%
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Reading poll results can be complicated I suppose...
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What is a 'gay' marriage ?
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Hortlund, there are lies, damned lies and statistics. The way the poll is put up has a lot to say about the results.
Example:
"What do you think should happen to Swedes if they're seen anywhere in the world?"
A: Shoot them on sight
B: Slowly strangle them
or
C: Leave them alone. I hate those idiots, but they're jus stupid mostly harmful semi-communists
From this poll I'll conclude that 100% of those who answered it has something against Swedes.
:D
Seriously though, marriage is a religious ritual. If it's the same rights they want they can get 'um through secular partnerships, at least here. Aside from that; abide by the religious tenets or get out; you adapt to organized religion, not the other way around. This is not a 'gay right' issue, it's simply religious doctrine and any religion has to be free to et up its own doctrine, no matter if it's hateful or full of love.
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Yes, since the result of the poll isnt really PC, there must be something wrong with the poll...
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Heh, read the more serious part of my post Hortlund. You may even find we're agreeing on something, although for different reasons :).
With regards to polls, I want to see how they were written before I decide whether to go by them, that's all.
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More than half of Americans
The poll of 1,028 adults from every state but Alaska and Hawaii was conducted from Aug. 8-12...
:rolleyes:
This stinks of a "covenience poll" and IIRC the last statistics class I attended, one cannot apply the statistic to the population using a convenience poll.
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For the law part of it, it's got nothing to do with religion, St. Santa. You can be married by a judge, and any marriage requires a marriage certificate to make it legal. Gays are interested in having the same benefits extended to them for making a long-term committment to another consenting adult, as any other hetero couple would recieve.
SOB
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Oddly enough, it seems that the religious zealots don't want "those nasty butt pirates" to have civil unions either because it somehow diminishes the sanctity of marriage.
Which came first anyway? Christianity or committed relationships?
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You know, I'm generally conservative, but I can't see a damn thing wrong with extending the same rights and/or benefits to them as a "normal" marriage. If it offends so much, call it something else. Wait, nevermind, that smacks of seperate but equal. It's their lives, let them do what they want.
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What percent of Germans from the late 1930s to 1945 supported resettlement of the Jews to the "East?"
What percent of southern whites in the 1950s supported civil rights, or today support interracial marriages?
How many white South Africans supported apartheid?
How many townspeople of Salem supported the witch trials?
I guess the majority is always right though.
Oddly enough, it seems that the religious zealots don't want "those nasty butt pirates" to have civil unions either because it somehow diminishes the sanctity of marriage.
It's funny, I guess with a 50 percent or so divorce rate, as i recall, they would be better off focusing on the problems with heterosexual unions.
Homosexuals are the last relatively mainstream group its OK to hate. A kid gets beaten to death and some "man of god" is marching at his funeral chanting in front of the grieving family about how he's burning in hell. People can use the word studmuffingot on this BBS, yet their accounts would be shut in a second if they were calling blacks or Jews by some all too common names.
Charon
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May the dam peter puffers rot in HELL:D
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Originally posted by StSanta
Aside from that; abide by the religious tenets or get out; you adapt to organized religion, not the other way around.
THANK YOU!
I have mailed your certificate, officially naming this the most intelligent response to a post I have seen anywhere on the O' Club forum!
Just when I was losing faith in man's ability to reason, you had to go and think something through logically and then have the stones to articulate it!
Me hats off to ya sir!
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If they are against Gay Marriage....does that mean they are Pro living in sin? :confused:
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Originally posted by Dega
THANK YOU!
I have mailed your certificate, officially naming this the most intelligent response to a post I have seen anywhere on the O' Club forum!
Just when I was losing faith in man's ability to reason, you had to go and think something through logically and then have the stones to articulate it!
Me hats off to ya sir!
Ummm, that's great and all, and what he said makes sense, but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. It's not about forcing religion to accept same-sex marriage, it's about legally recognizing same-sex marriage. Much like two heterosexual athiests have the right to get legally married.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
Much like two heterosexual athiests have the right to get legally married.
It's not about "legality". There is nothing a marriage can supply as far as legal rights that can't be obtained using other legal means - Powers of Attorney, Wills, Trust Funds, etc. It's about acceptance. About forcing others to accept a lifestyle choice they may find morally, ethically or religously wrong. What two adults do in private is their business in most cases, I accept that. Compelling others to suspend or deny their beliefs and "like" what they do is another thing all together.
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Why is extending the rights of secular marriage to gay couples akin to forcing their sexuality on you?
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You can't make a cult accept logic, Dowding.
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Similarly Dega, I would like to see Christian marraiges outlawed, because I find them morally repugnant. I would prefer marraige restricted to a legal contract signed at the courthouse.
Letting people kneel and pray in private is one thing, I accept that. Compelling others to suspend or deny their beliefs and "like" what they do is another thing all together.
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If they are against Gay Marriage....does that mean they are Pro living in sin?
NO it means that Gays are already going to hell so why worry if they live together.
Seems like the USA need a "final solution" to the gay problem, and if that doesn't work, give them their own country.
We thought we did already....France!:p
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Originally posted by Dega
It's not about "legality". There is nothing a marriage can supply as far as legal rights that can't be obtained using other legal means - Powers of Attorney, Wills, Trust Funds, etc. It's about acceptance. About forcing others to accept a lifestyle choice they may find morally, ethically or religously wrong. What two adults do in private is their business in most cases, I accept that. Compelling others to suspend or deny their beliefs and "like" what they do is another thing all together.
No, it's about extending the same rights afforded to a hetero couple that are married. Tax benefits, health insurance benefits, etc. Dowding already asked this, but I'll ask it again...what about this forces you to accept them? This is the USA, you've still got every right to hate them for being who they are, as long as you don't harm them.
SOB
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Those aren't rights, those are privileges.
IMHO the govt. should stop subsidizing marriage and reproduction. Then this gay marriage thing becomes a non-issue.
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I can certainly agree with that.
SOB
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Having same-sex marriages, but not calling them marriages, falls short of having equality for homosexuals.
Marriages are civil contracts under the law. I don't think religious ceremonies should have any bearing on a citizens relationship, under law, with their government.
If you have religous beliefs, so be it. Go have what ever bonding ceremony is advocated by that religion. It's should give you any extra responibilities or prilevgeds, under the law though. You are doing it for religious reasons in the first place right?
If you want to have the responsbilities and privledges of a marriage, then get a marriage licence, go see a justice of the peace.
Of course nothing is stopping someone from doing both.
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What tax advantage is there to being married??? Having kids and housing can provide tax advantages, but being married is oftentimes worse.
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Considering that now the "bride" in a homosexual marriage could be a beneficiary, wouldn't that raise medical costs if homosexual marriages were recognized? Just asking, and if so, what else would increase in cost?
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JUST THINK OF ALL THE POSITIVE HEMOCULT RESULTS....
caps used intentionally to express my horror.
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But at least they'll enjoy the sigmoidoscopies.