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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: DiabloTX on August 19, 2003, 09:27:59 PM
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What a nice looking machine. Too bad the IJN f'ed up its development. Is there any good post-war US testing of this bad boy out there?
(http://www.geocities.co.jp/MotorCity/9066/pa_a7m.jpg)
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Ahh! All the Japanese planes look the same! :eek:
:D
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Aaah, thats the RAVEN , Diablo. My wet dream :))
Yes they had tested at USAF and they was very happy that this
fighter had not the time to be in service in big numbers.
It was a B29 serial killer and not only.
If i remember well it was very fast and was turning like
Spit. Just look his wing ;)
It had * 6 * 20mm cannons :D
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/a7m.htm
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/a7m2.gif
The last model had *6* * 30mm * !!!!!!!
http://users.belgacom.net/aircraft1/avion1/282.html
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Originally posted by Kevin14
Ahh! All the Japanese planes look the same! :eek:
:D
They do!
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well, i have make a little wrong here, i was meaning the
J2M RAIDEN or << JACK >>.
Some 470 had be producted.
The ultimate dweeb plane :))
http://www.tayyareci.com/digerucaklar/japonya/ww2/j2m.asp
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/j2mraiden.html
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/j2m.html
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Originally posted by Hades55
well, i have make a little wrong here, i was meaning the
J2M RAIDEN or << JACK >>.
Some 470 had be producted.
The ultimate dweeb plane :))
http://www.tayyareci.com/digerucaklar/japonya/ww2/j2m.asp
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/j2mraiden.html
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/j2m.html
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I was gonna say! I've been around long enough to know the Difference between a Jack and a Sam...or even a Jill!! ;)
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Originally posted by Kevin14
Ahh! All the Japanese planes look the same! :eek:
:D
That's racist!! SSSSSKKKKKUUUUUZZZZZZZYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
:D
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am i already very drunk or did that thing have ALOT of guns??
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I dunno...are you? *sniff, sniff....methinks you are a little pickled.
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am i already very drunk or did that thing have ALOT of guns??>
Heh, Sam had 6 *30mm* and Raiden
6 *20mm* .
Both can cive you the kiss of death before
you have the time to think
The Q is are 470 planes enough to see it
here in AH ? ;)
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can it hover like the niki?
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In fact it hovers better than niki.
A climbing monster.
Maby it was the best fighter of wwii at
climbing :)
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makes a good target for my jug then....bring it on :cool:
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the 6x 20mm or 30mm loadout will put 190s, temps, f4U1-Cs, and nikkis to shame:D
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Production: A total of 10 A7Ms were built by Mitsubishi Jukogyo K.K. at Nagoya as follows:
2 A7M1 prototypes
7 A7M2 prototypes and Service trials aircraft
1 A7M2 production aircraft
Sorry to bust your wet dream, but only a few prototypes of the A7M2 were made and 1 production craft. :)
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Originally posted by XNachoX
Production: A total of 10 A7Ms were built by Mitsubishi Jukogyo K.K. at Nagoya as follows:
2 A7M1 prototypes
7 A7M2 prototypes and Service trials aircraft
1 A7M2 production aircraft
Sorry to bust your wet dream, but only a few prototypes of the A7M2 were made and 1 production craft. :)
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In reality it was nearly identical to the Ta-152 then in overall production aircraft. ;)
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Its a complete travesty, to me anyway, that the Ki-84 isn't modelled in AH but the Ta-152 is.
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I have to agree there Diablo :( and the fact we haven't seen a J2M3 Raiden either in AH is dissapointing. For the love of Cod I hope HT puts in some more Japanese planes on the new sim.
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Originally posted by Hades55
am i already very drunk or did that thing have ALOT of guns??>
Heh, Sam had 6 *30mm* and Raiden
6 *20mm* .
Both can cive you the kiss of death before
you have the time to think
The Q is are 470 planes enough to see it
here in AH ? ;)
Hell ... maybe I'm the one that's drunk here. I count ... one,two ... on one wing ... hmm ... one, two ... on the other wing. Wait .. let me try again ....
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+ 2 at the fuselage ;)
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
the 6x 20mm or 30mm loadout will put 190s, temps, f4U1-Cs, and nikkis to shame:D
not if the 190s had all the loadouts. Theres a 6x20mm loadout on 190a8's and of course the mk103 underwing gondalas are a possibility.
Also we have yet to see the BK 5 50mm or PAK 75mm guns that were mounted to some LW planes like the me262 and me410/110.
Dont count out the LW planes.
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hell ... maybe I'm the one that's drunk here.
LOL, ok "Pappy", when aren't you on the sauce??
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The end of the fifth week of every month. :D
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Originally posted by Hades55
+ 2 at the fuselage ;)
posted earlier by Hades55
Just look his wing ;)
It had * 6 * 20mm cannons :D
Nope .... still don't see `em. :eek:
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Hazed, I don't think the MK103s on the Fw190As were ever operational. I've seen a few pics of 190s on the ground with them attached, but I don't recall if they ever were actually used.
Or maybe they were? Can anyone verify?
ps) If they are ever introudced in the game, then maybe we'd see a perked ordnance for the first time ;)
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A7M3 'Reppu'
Type: fighter, shipboard aircraft Prototype or limited production Nationality: Japan
Land-based version of the Sam, without the foldable wings and simplified compared to the A7M3-J, leaving out the supercharger, an accessory that Japan had difficulty to develop properly. It was directly derived from the carrier-based A7M2 without many changes and was a counter insurance had the A7M3-J failed. None was completed, since the first flight was planned for December of 1945
Built by Nakajima Kikoki Kabushiki Kaisha
Other designation(s): Model 23
Upper: A7M 'Reppu'
Various
Crew: 1
Span: 14.00 meters
Length: 11.00 meters
Height: 4.28 meters
Wing surface: 30.90 sq m.
Wing load: 163 kg/sq m
Weight empty: 3 392 kg
Weight loaded: 5 040 kg
Propulsion
Engine: Mitsubishi MK9C
Power (total): 2 250 HP
Specific power: 446 HP / ton
Maximum speed: 643 kph
Service ceiling: 11 500 meters
Production
Quantity: none
First flight: December of 1945
Armament
6 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 guns
2 250 kg (551-lbs) bombs
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Arlo, this was a drawing board prototype, none were ever made. You can look at that painting all you want, mostly because you are drunk, and you will never see the 2 Type 99's buried in the nose. GO ahead...keep looking...:D
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Originally posted by Hades55
am i already very drunk or did that thing have ALOT of guns??>
Heh, Sam had 6 *30mm* and Raiden
6 *20mm* .
Both can cive you the kiss of death before
you have the time to think
The Q is are 470 planes enough to see it
here in AH ? ;)
Hades, are you a Jap plane FanBoi?
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Relax, Diab ....
This ain't no argument `bout what guns that plane that never really made it into production had. I'm just commenting on those who posted in the thread about all the guns they "saw" in the picture versus all the ones I don't see in the same picture. If I thought it would produce this much angst ... I probably woulda posted about it alot sooner. ;)
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How come I knew that all along??!! PS, check the "Squadrons" forum when you get a chance Arlo.
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(Worried look)
Ummmmm ..... okee dokee .....
But be nice. My joystick's broke.
I said be nice!!!!
lol
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Diablo im a *Plane* fun :)
I want ALL the planes who had take part in operations at WWII even if they had produced only 100 of them.
I want the dora to zoom like dora not like goon.
When with a dora i cant escape from a hurry, both diving, something is wrong (both over 450 knots :)
I want the Hs 129 with his 75mm cannon.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/hs129.html
Iwant the stuka siren and the G with his 2 37mm.
I want the Bristol Beaufighter with his 4 noise 20mm his torpedoes and his rockets.
http://www.aviation-history.com/bristol/beaufite.html
I want the P36 who could turn cycles around a spit V even if was a secontary plane at the start of wwii .
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p36_9.html
I want the raiden with his climbing power his maneuverability under 300knots and his 6 20mm.
I want B-24 Liberators and B-25 Mitchels.
And i want Brewster Buffalos.
And i want them as realistic is possible.
I want many maned 20mm AA guns at fields and 88s for talking with Tigers.
Well :)
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I count 11 "I want"s in your post. You need to get up to speed, that clearly isn't enough. And if you can't shake of a Hurri in a Dora, I don't know what to tell ya Hades, he either had a HUGE E advantage or you experienced some kind of spatial disorientation like JFK, jr. where you think you are doing one thing but actually doing another! :D
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Ofcourse i want, is that something bad ? Isnt this my right as
customer ? I dont say i want this or..... i just want, dont you want
something more in this sim ?
About the dora, i know very well my E state and what i can do...
i was first who dived on deck full throttle the hurry start diving
after me, at 450 he was still in my six, 1,2,3, rolls,still in my six,
and after i die.
With a hurry accelerate like this and follow the rolls who need doras ?
I love this sim, but dora is rediculus plane here.
When you zoom after a high speed dive its like airbrakes stop you
and every sucker can follow you in your climb especialy low spits.
In reality Dora was the faster plane and maby the best @ boom & zoom and you know what ? you could also turn a little bit.
Kurt was very satisfied with his maneurevability :)
In diving only jug was better.Only.
Someone have say that someone in HTC hates lw planes..
you know what ? i start to think more seriusly about it :)
Dora was an Apaluza, here is a donkey. Sad.
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The A7M2 should not, in my opinion, be considered valid for a WWII flight sim. Not only was the production total very, very low, but it never entered service let along fought.
All that may have been different if Mitsubishi and the IJN had listened to Jiro Horikoshi's advice, but they didn't and that is that.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The A7M2 should not, in my opinion, be considered valid for a WWII flight sim. Not only was the production total very, very low, but it never entered service let along fought.
All that may have been different if Mitsubishi and the IJN had listened to Jiro Horikoshi's advice, but they didn't and that is that.
Karnak, my post was about info for the A7M, not for it to be included in AH.
If there is one plane that needs to be there, well, you already know what it is.
I still feel the Ta-152 doesn't need to be included, but it is. Why the Ki-84 was over looked is something that I will never understand.
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Shameless punt.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Its a complete travesty, to me anyway, that the Ki-84 isn't modelled in AH but the Ta-152 is.
huh? The PTO consisted of three events, Dec 1941, June '42, and Aug '45. Or so many would have us believe
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
the 6x 20mm or 30mm loadout will put 190s, temps, f4U1-Cs, and nikkis to shame:D
Attention, all HO pilots...check in at the A7M Table
That is all...:lol
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
huh? The PTO consisted of three events, Dec 1941, June '42, and Aug '45. Or so many would have us believe
:rolleyes:
I don't know what your point here is but let the numbers show you what had more of an impact on WWII;
Ta-152 production: ~200
Ki-84 production: 3514
Point being this incredibly able fighter would be a great addition for late PTO to go up against the 51's, 47's, 38's etc, etc...
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Fw190 (A5, A6, A7, A8, A9 and A10) /R1 - 6x MG151 20mm - total 20mm ammo load: 1000 rounds.
(http://users.pandora.be/Luchtoorlog_Warplanes/Images/fw190s/r1-1.jpg)
(http://users.pandora.be/Luchtoorlog_Warplanes/Images/fw190s/r1-9.jpg)
(http://users.pandora.be/Luchtoorlog_Warplanes/Images/fw190s/r1-3.jpg)
(http://users.pandora.be/Luchtoorlog_Warplanes/Images/fw190s/r1-8.jpg)
Butcher bird is a very fitting name. :D
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/334_1083281749_190loads.jpg)
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I want the R3 with the MK103 30mm! :D
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I was always under the impression that the R1 never made it into service. Yes or no?
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Propulsion
Engine: Mitsubishi MK9C
Power (total): 2 250 HP
Specific power: 446 HP / ton
Maximum speed: 643 kph
Service ceiling: 11 500 meters
Production
Quantity: none
First flight: December of 1945
Is my math off - or didn't the war end in August 1945????
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Karnak, my post was about info for the A7M, not for it to be included in AH.
For those that don't read every post in a thread.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Nilsen
am i already very drunk or did that thing have ALOT of guns??
FrankC with 2 x 30mm and 2 x 20mm is even worse.....the pits to fly against....
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
I don't know what your point here is but let the numbers show you what had more of an impact on WWII;
Ta-152 production: ~200
Ki-84 production: 3514
Point being this incredibly able fighter would be a great addition for late PTO to go up against the 51's, 47's, 38's etc, etc...
I was being sarcastic...90% of my flight hours are in PTO rides
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
I was always under the impression that the R1 never made it into service. Yes or no?
The first R1 Fw190 to fly was an A-5 test model on 18 November 1942. The R1 Rüstsats entered production in June/July 1943, and production ended on 8 April 1944.
The R1 was used almost exclusively by the heavy Sturm units specializing in attacking bombers.
The production rate varied from 15 to 50 sets per month.
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Damn G, you're in the wrong profession entirely. Errr, I mean when you ARE employed!!!
;)
Thanks for the info.
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I know. Unfortunately there isn't much money to be made on knowing strange facts about WWII aircraft. ;)
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[EDIT] Ooops. Nm, thought you were asking for it to be included in AH.
As for the plane though, thats a lot of cannons :eek:
You all know I rather fly crappy planes though :D