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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curval on August 20, 2003, 07:19:20 AM
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Looks like we are a "go" for the puppy.
Jason sent me some more pictures last night and I forwarded them to the wife. She isn't a big "dog person" but she thinks the pup is beautiful.
I think we are going to surprise the kiddies.
I will plan to pick her up in early September, which is fine with Jason. I just can't get away until then.
The house deal is almost certain...the financing is in place, just a matter of legal wrangling now. I told Jason that I don't expect any problems, but that I would let him know immediately if something crops up.
Thanks alot for the intro.
Good thing I whined about HOs all those moons ago. ;)
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I was impressed with that litter and wanted to keep the chocolate male. But I've got 3 right now and the yard/house just won't handle 4. I'm in the process of getting ready to sell now. Time to become a rural landowner.
You can stay here if you like; we've got spare bedrooms now.
Give me a heads up and we'll get a local AH BBQ lunch going too.
Depending on how long you stay, we can also bust some claybirds and/or visit the CAF hangar. One of our members has an F4F in his hangar... might be able to get him to open that up. He just bought a MiG 17 too....
Lots to do. Depending on when you come, early duck season might be on and you can see Chief do what Labs were bred to do. ;)
Congratulations!
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Curvals going to waste a good duck dog in the inferno of the Atlantic!? Blasphemy!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Curvals going to waste a good duck dog in the inferno of the Atlantic!? Blasphemy!
lol...
She is going to a loving home and will be spoiled rotten.
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Originally posted by Toad
You can stay here if you like; we've got spare bedrooms now.
Give me a heads up and we'll get a local AH BBQ lunch going too.
Depending on how long you stay, we can also bust some claybirds and/or visit the CAF hangar. One of our members has an F4F in his hangar... might be able to get him to open that up. He just bought a MiG 17 too....
Oh man...sweet. I will give you all the details when I know more. Looks like I'm going to have to extend the trip a day or two.
I wanna try those ribs you guys say are better than the ones in Texas....mmmmm ribs.
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Originally posted by Curval
I wanna try those ribs you guys say are better than the ones in Texas....mmmmm ribs.
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Curval,
Give some notice when you come into town.
I want to make sure and make that lunch.
While I think Jess and Jim's Steak House is better than Jack Stack's, I'll still let Toad pick the place :)
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Will do man.
Doing a little checking it appears that it is going to be a bit of a "hoop jumping" exercise to get the pup here...nothing too bad, but I am going to need some help.
Regs on dog importation (http://www.animals.gov.bm/anl_imp_frame%20page.html)
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BBQ fight! BBQ Fight!
String, Jess's is a steak place fer pete's sake. Of course, we could do both, since Smokestack is right across the street......
Jeez... tough living here, ain't it?
Try picking just one :) (http://www.jackstackbbq.com/jackstack/restaurants/menu.htm)
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I know, but the train going by, literally right next to the building adds to the ambiance.
Plus they serve Angus beef!
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I probably have an airline approved crate that will fit her. Seems they're all over the place around here. For sale, cheap.
You also need two books, available from Amazon and you should get them and read them now.
The Art of Raising a Puppy by The Monks of New Skete
and
Retriever Training by Susan Scales
Yeah, I know you're not going to hunt her but Susan Scales wrote about the best simple book on training I have. It's great for basic obedience and has a lot of just good common sense.
Plus, your dog is going to think retrieving is the bestest game ever and since you'll end up throwing and fetching, you might as well do that in a proper way too.
Scales is great; she was a Brit and wrote very clearly. She takes 1/5th of the words to tell you what you need to know compared to the US authors.
Unfortunately, cancer got her a while back.
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Curval, you've got a MAJOR PROBLEM here:
Dogs and cats under age 10 months, and dogs and cats of any age that have received only a single rabies vaccination, do not qualify for entry into Bermuda.
Check with a Vet to see if you can give such a young pup two rabies vaccinations.
I'm not sure.
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Toad I looked over that menu and as a lifelong PETA member I'm simply horrified... Muwwhahhahha! BTW "serves two people" yea right... :) :D
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Originally posted by Toad
Curval, you've got a MAJOR PROBLEM here:
Check with a Vet to see if you can give such a young pup two rabies vaccinations.
I'm not sure.
Yikes..I missed that.
Calling now.
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Okay...I'm pissed.
It doesn't look good now. That rule relates to rabies..and is possibly the stupidest rule I've ever heard of.
Apparently the department here WILL allow pups as young as 8 weeks to be imported from ENGLAND...but not the US. Funny, but England had a real problem with rabies a number of years ago. I haven't heard of any cases in the US.
Typical government stupidity.
I have a call in to the head guy but all that is going to happen is that I am going to yell and scream. They aren't going to change a law for little old me.
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Curval in KC????
That will be cool:)
Now as to BBQ.....Sneads, Gates and KC Masterpiece should be in the running as well(Snead's bein my fav)
Bustin clay with Toad and Rude should not be missed either...best to just plan a week here Curv....half of the 13th lives here as well...they all will want to meet ya:)
BTW...just have Toad forge the paperwork regarding the pup:)
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Funny, but England had a real problem with rabies a number of years ago. I haven't heard of any cases in the US.
Other way around, I think.
There has been one case of human Rabies in the UK in the last 100 years, a man who worked with bats was bitten by one. There are no known cases of land animals infected with rabies in the UK since 1969.
The US has around 100 dogs infected with rabies per year, and it's quite common amongst wild animals, particulary raccoons.
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No Nashwan...I was in school in England in the late 70s (I did say a number of years ago ;) ) and there were serious rabies concerns in England at that time. In fact it was so bad that animals had to be quarenteened for 6 months before they could leave the UK.
100 cases a year in the US...well given the size of the country and the number of pets there the odds of bringing a rabies infected dog from a reputable breeder is staggering. I still say it is the STUPIDEST rule I have ever heard.
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No Nashwan...I was in school in England in the late 70s (I did say a number of years ago ) and there were serious rabies concerns in England at that time. In fact it was so bad that animals had to be quarenteened for 6 months before they could leave the UK.
I think you might be getting confused. There has until very recently between 6 months quarantine for animals entering the UK, due to rabies ie the desire to keep rabies out of the UK.
Britain has been rabies free for decades. The 1969 "outbreak" consisted of a dog which died 10 days after leaving quarantine, and the subsequent cull of wild animals in the area. Apart from that incident, only 2 animals in the last 50 years or more have been found with rabies, both bats.
100 cases a year in the US...well given the size of the country and the number of pets there the odds of bringing a rabies infected dog from a reputable breeder is staggering. I still say it is the STUPIDEST rule I have ever heard.
I agree. Until recently every dog and cat entering Britain had to go in to quarantine for 6 months. Only in the last few years has Britain allowed vaccinated animals in. Seems like too much fuss for a disease that ins't that much of a problem.
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Originally posted by Nashwan
I think you might be getting confused. There has until very recently between 6 months quarantine for animals entering the UK, due to rabies ie the desire to keep rabies out of the UK.
Me getting confused? Nah.
;)
Actually you are right..it was on entering the UK.
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Curval, it's going to be OK.
I just talked to my Labrador partner Vet in Atlanta and my local vet here in KC.
Both of them say two shots is no problem. Rabies is a "killed virus" shot, not an "active" shot.
The pup should get one shot now at 12 weeks (and Jason may have done this, I don't know) and then it can have a booster 3 weeks later.
So if you're coming mid-September and everyone gets off their butt, this is still do-able. One shot now (if she hasn't had one already) and one shot in three weeks.
My partner also pointed this out:
an original of a health certificate issued by a licensed veterinarian of the country from which the animal is coming to Bermuda
You need to ask your local authority if this means a UNITED STATES Federally licensed vet or if a STATE OF KANSAS licensed vet can fill out the health form.
It's all doable, but we'll have to find a local "Federal" vet if that's what they want. Most of these guys are just State of Kansas as the Federal certification involves a class, a test and money. There's just not that much call for it. But we'll find one if we need one. Heck my buddy in ATL is Federally Licensed. :) I'm sure we can work SOMETHING out.
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"Dogs and cats under age 10 months, and dogs and cats of any age that have received only a single rabies vaccination, do not qualify for entry into Bermuda."
Dunno man. I read this as being dogs under 10 months are banned period..and that older dogs with only 1 shot are not allowed either.
I hope you are right..we shall see.
Another "potential" option is to fly to Toronto, get the dog checked there, and then come home. I will find out the rules re: Canada, they may be the same as those applicable to the UK.
I will ask, re licensing. Looks federal to me, but maybe not.
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Wha!? Bermuda has bureaucracy !? I thought it was the island was that of Eve!
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Another option is to tell the Gov't that you own a Korean Restaurant, and that the dog is to be consumed on the premises there within. :D
(http://www.estripes.com/photos/7603_41182752.jpg)
"Kanj choon-ja stirs a batch of poshen-tang, the Korean word for dog meat stew."
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Originally posted by Curval
I was in school in England in the late 70s (I did say a number of years ago ;) ) and there were serious rabies concerns in England at that time. In fact it was so bad that animals had to be quarenteened for 6 months before they could leave the UK.
Well firstly, you're an old git who's memory is going........and secondly, they still do quarenteen animals going in unless they've been certified by a vet as having had the initial rabies shot a minimum of 6 months ago and any further boosters every 6 months after that. Reason is......the French have rabies. We don't want it.
oh btw, Jenga wants pics.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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lol Swoop. The horrors of old age.
E-mailing pics now.
..and btw Rip, change Korean to Vietnamese and you might be on to something.:D
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Toad,
I'm in for busting clays if it will work out.
I still need to hook up with you anyway to see if my Brittany is gun shy or not....let's plan that when the 104 temps subside some :)
Rude,
KC Masterpiece??? Great BBQ Sauce, but Jack Stack's is the way to go otherwise...hehe.
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True BBQ men would say,,,,,
Authur Bryants on Baltimore for the experience but for the food, if you havn't tried LC's its worth the drive.
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Originally posted by Curval
..and btw Rip, change Korean to Vietnamese and you might be on to something.:D
So the Vietnamese soup is better than the Korean? I'll have to do a taste test...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So the Vietnamese soup is better than the Korean? I'll have to do a taste test...
I wouldn't know what the food tastes like...i won't eat half the stuff my wife and her mother make. You never know what they will put in there.
One time I commented that the perfectly round tubular noodles in the soup she gave me were very chewy. She laughed and said "Those aren't noodles...they are arteries."
Now you understand why I won't even try their food anymore.
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Don't they have dogs where you live?
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Originally posted by Steve
Don't they have dogs where you live?
Sure...lots and lots of pit bulls. That is all you will find here...don't get me started on that subject.
No lab breeders here that I am aware of.
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My only question: Gas or charcoal?
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- Not applicable to dogs or cats arriving directly from the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand or Jamaica
Rabies vaccination history, showing at least two rabies vaccinations, and that all rabies vaccinations have been given by a licensed veterinarian, We can do this and are in accord with all of these requirements.
The animal:
Upon attaining / after the age of three months, has received a rabies vaccination; We can do thisAND
Received a second rabies vaccine 6-12 months following the first rabies vaccination; THIS IS A PROBLEM. She's only three months old AND
There have been no significant lapses in vaccinations; AND
The most recent vaccination was given at least 30 days, and not more than 12 months prior to arrival in Bermuda. We can do this
**Note: - Not applicable to dogs or cats arriving directly from the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand or Jamaica
Dogs and cats under age 10 months, <-- THIS IS A PROBLEM. and dogs and cats of any age that have received only a single rabies vaccination, do not qualify for entry into Bermuda.
Upon re-reading, I think you are right. We DO have a problem. Time for you to go bribe somebody. :D We can give her two shots, but it's going to take a while to make her 10 months old.
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Well, I've been trying all day to get this clarified by the government department responsible. All two of them have been "away from their desks" all day...according to their voice-mail messages.
Strange, because it is raining...not good golf weather at all.:rolleyes:
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Toad
Still no word from these yahoos.
I really tore a strip off the receptionist this morning and asked her whether or not the head-honcho was on vacation or something because he doesn't seem to want to return my 5 messages from yesterday.
She "promised" me that she would ensure the guy gets back to me today.
Hate to say it but I don't think this is going to happen. I have a feeling he is going to be a typical civil servant and will simply defer to the legislation. It is probably just going to be a venting exercise for me.
I have e-mailed Jason and let him know about the problem.
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Well, he called. I'm SOL.
:( :( :( :(
Real glad we decided to surprise the kids and didn't show them the pics.
Sorry for wasting your time man...I appreciate the help you tried to give.
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Originally posted by funkedup
My only question: Gas or charcoal?
Charcoal or wood
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Ah, too bad Curval.
Well, you can always wait another year until Chief and Kate are bred and then I'll start the pup for you and train it until it's 10 months. So, two years from now you're there.
Just a slight additional charge.........
;)
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Originally posted by Toad
Ah, too bad Curval.
Well, you can always wait another year until Chief and Kate are bred and then I'll start the pup for you and train it until it's 10 months. So, two years from now your there.
Just a slight additional charge.........
hehe
Well my friend, maybe for our second dog. :)
It just won't be a home until there are four paws pattering about amongst the six feet of our kids.
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Hmmm...I just called a woman who imports pups from the UK.
The cost to do this through her (chocolate brown lab pup) will be $2,000 in my hands. That is with crate shots duty etc etc all included.
Gee...slight difference to the $800 I estimated for the pup through your buddy..once all expenses were settled.
I think the markup on the cost must be about 100%. Typical for this frigging island. :mad:
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Curval,
How is she going to do it? Tranship the dog through the UK? I think that's going to be dicey as well. Did she tell what her plan is? If she's tripped to a way, maybe we can do it too. We have friends in the UK, both of us, I think.
OTOH.... the UK lady I bought my English Kate from has a litter due in about 3 weeks. She's pretty particular about where/when/who/how her pups go overseas but you never know.She does look for her dogs to go to "gunning" homes but if she has a big litter she might. You never know. These pups will be blacks and yellows. You might be able to charm her. Heck, I did... and I'm no charmer. ;)
Just a note.. she wouldn't let me go get Kate until she was 5 months old. Thought the air travel would be to stressful before that.
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$2k is worth it. Best dog breed in the world.
Not too prejudiced.....
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_94_1057871605.jpg)
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How did you get that black horse to sit like that?
BTW, Brittany's are the best breed.
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Brittanies are absolutely the best breed for keeping your feet warm while you are watching TV.
But that's pretty much their pinnacle.
J/K String... I even know one or two of them that hunt. ;)
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Originally posted by Toad
But that's pretty much their pinnacle.
I'm not sure to understand ,I suppose pinnacle is from the latin pinnaculum ?
If yes I understand the meaning of this sentence ... otherwise I'm lost :)
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Curval did you check that Canadian thing out? I know of two lab breeders and they usually go for about 400 to 500 CDN $.
Im sure you could get one there and putzing around your house for under 800 USD.
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Yup, I checked it Loser..Canada is on the "banned" list under 10 months old too. :(
Toad...the woman I spoke to has a company called Pups R Us :) Wonder how she came up with that one?
She is actually very reputable and has a brother in the UK who checks all dogs out. They come with "papers" and are all certified to be free of hip displaysia (sp?). She also said the breeder's labs live on average over 15 years.
She offered to send pictures...I told her not to until I've thought about it some more.
I'm now leaning towards going to the SPCA and adopting a dog there...only trouble is just about every dog there has some pit-bull in them due to the number of those dogs here. I just won't have a dog with that breed in them around my kids.
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Curval, just thought of something. Try going to your local NIB (national institute for the blind)
Lab rets are great seeing eye dogs and they often have pups to GIVE away. The ones who flunk out of seeing eye dog skool. They get punted out for having too strong of doginalities.
Have a friend who picked one of these muts up and it was the best dog ever.
Check it out.
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Staga.. think "peak" for "pinnacle". Highest point, greatest achievement.
Curval, ah, I see. Not the dog from Kansas then, one from the UK.
If you like, I can have my friend check out the lineage. She's really very good with the English lines. Let me know the sire and dam and I'll see what I can find out.
You won't go wrong with an English Lab from a reputable breeder. They are simply a cut above.
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Toad... Is the e-mail on "send toad e-mail" your current one? I dropped you a message. If you didn't get it, send me an e-mail.
MiniD
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Haven't gotten any mail from you and I have gotten some recently through that BBS source.
You can reach me through Toad@13thTAS.com too.
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Sent an e-mail toad. Sent one a few days ago (to whatever HTC has on record)... but it was during the peak of the last worm virus. I don't think much was getting out that day.
MiniD
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Sorry, didn't get it.
I'll reply. I don't hold grudges or anything like that. Ask Curval.
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Huh? Curval? He with the "Super Swimmers?".
:D
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Didn't think you did toad... but you're still a weenie.
MiniD
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LOL!
A wonderful reply! A teeny (may I say it?) weenie ad hominem!
:D
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Originally posted by loser
Curval, just thought of something. Try going to your local NIB (national institute for the blind)
Lab rets are great seeing eye dogs and they often have pups to GIVE away. The ones who flunk out of seeing eye dog skool. They get punted out for having too strong of doginalities.
Have a friend who picked one of these muts up and it was the best dog ever.
Check it out.
Hmm..not a bad idea. Will do and I'll let you know.
It's a very small island so those seeing eye dogs are probably brought in on specific cases...but it is worth checking.
Thanks.
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Curval,
We got our dog from a local rescue shelter and we couldn't be happier.
Of course, she's a great breed, no matter want the misinformed Toad thinks!
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The waiting list for the seeing eye dogs in Oregon is quite long. But it's hard to find better mannered dogs anywhere. The only real downside is you get them as adults and the time you get to enjoy them is shorter than getting a puppy.
MiniD
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Nothing but pit bulls huh. What’s wrong with that? They’re the most loving, kid friendly dog I’ve had and/or been around. Also, one of, if not the smartest and most trainable breed.
The CDC says that “pit bulls” are number one on the bite list. However if you dig into their own site they even acknowledge that the reports they have are not accurate since most people will classify any short hair wide head dog as a pit. They have even acknowledged that dogs not matching the descriptions of pits are classified that way because people now have it ingrained that it was a “pit” that bit my child. BS, most resources I’ve looked up say you have a better chance at getting snapped at by a cocker spaniels, and uh labs…
They are however dog aggressive, that much is true and hard to train out of them. But, they love people.
Oh, and the best BBQ is Stillwell due to the Mustard BBQ sauce. Fantastic. Ribs, I’ve gotten real partial to Lee’s Summit Smoke pit, but in the city… I’ll have to stick with smoke stack. And even then the one in Martin city :).
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Nothing but pit bulls huh. What’s wrong with that? They’re the most loving, kid friendly dog I’ve had and/or been around. Also, one of, if not the smartest and most trainable breed.
Zip, a friend of mine bred pits...I know all about them and was a HUGE defender of the breed, right up until his most "people friendly" females bit the guys daughter and ate part of the muscle in her arm. It was never established what caused the dog to lose it like that.
The CDC says that “pit bulls” are number one on the bite list. However if you dig into their own site they even acknowledge that the reports they have are not accurate since most people will classify any short hair wide head dog as a pit. They have even acknowledged that dogs not matching the descriptions of pits are classified that way because people now have it ingrained that it was a “pit” that bit my child. BS, most resources I’ve looked up say you have a better chance at getting snapped at by a cocker spaniels, and uh labs…
I have always had German Sheperds, I won't get one of those now because I am concerned about my kid's friends. All the Sheps I have had were protective in the EXTREME and the last thing I need is for a child to be over playing with my kids and the dog bite them...beautiful dogs, love the breed. But, I have to be smart about which one I get due to the kiddies. I have never known a well trained and well looked after lab who has bitten someone for no reason at all. I'm sure there are a few cases, but I haven't seen or heard of any.
They are however dog aggressive, that much is true and hard to train out of them. But, they love people.
Correct...but I have seen pits "snap" myself...not pretty and I am not going to take the risk. I also have seen what they can do to other dogs and I don't have time or the desire to try and train that out of my pet. It just isn't worth the risk
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I don’t like females in any breed. A male clipped is the easiest to control out of any of them in my opinion. Females are too unpredictable, moody, and stubborn.
This will probably have to be something that I experience myself but I fail to believe that my dog is going to “loose it” for some unknown reason and slaughter whatever is in sight. Although many people have told me so.
I also don’t believe that German Shepard’s are people friendly animals. Like pit bulls have been bread to fight other dogs, I think Shepard’s have been bread to be people aggressive.
I also don’t understand paying extreme amounts of money for an animal from a breeder. I’m more of pound/humane society pet finder. In your situation it may be different because of the lack of variety you said was there.
I work with two people who dropped good money, $1000-2000 on dogs they’re having problems with right now. Ones a lab, the others an Otter hound. The “papered” lab is having problems with the guys’ kids and property.
I found mine on the street… at the height of his training he know 32 different commands. He’s probably down to about 15 now from lack of work on the others and I’ve never had any problems with him other than being really excited around people.
Exposed fingers and toes will be licked!
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My lab came from the pound. Was 3 yrs old and abandoned by his former owners due to lack of space (they lived in an apartment).
He is very loyal and loving and gentle (sort of... at 100 lbs. it's hard to be real gentle), and I'd trust him in a room full of 3 yr. olds.
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Zip, couldn't agree more re adopting a dog, except you are correct..I called the SPCA yesterday and all they have are pits or pit crosses. (In fact they have two bull-dogs there right now...but I am just not a bulldog owner....too much slobbering and wheezing...drives me nuts).
My last dog was a shep mix, rescued from the Humane Society in Toronto. He was a nut-case to start with but became a loving member of my family. Of course you are also correct about their aggressiveness with humans. I had to pay a woman $2,500 in an out of court settlement when he bit her after she tried to push a flier through a screen door.
The area nurse also went home with two holes in her shorts years later after she tried to approach my son's crib two months after he was born, also. She never came back. He read her intentions wrong and was protecting my son.
Thus...I am not getting a Shep.
I think I am going to put my name down on the SPCA's wish list and see what happens. (I am still waiting on a call from the seeing eye dog people though.)
Who knows...I may adopt an older dog who won't have a second chance at life because he is too old for others to adopt.
We'll see.