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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 27, 2000, 03:42:00 PM
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Frenchy has 87 kills and has been killed 58 times in the P-47-D30.
Frenchy has 17 kills and has been killed 13 times in the P-47-D25.
Not a popularity contest here (My score suck), I'm just currious to see how much you guys fly the P47, I know few of you still have it as your "main ride" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Am I the king of the P47 dweeb? Or Am I the only silly nuttz who still flies the brick on a regular basis?
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Yep
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ricken has 4 kills and has been killed 5 times in the P-47-D30.
Mainly I don't fly it much because the broken autotrim makes me seasick. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Rickenbacker (Ricken)
-ISAF-
the Independent Swedish Air Force
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No. Hell it takes big brassones to fly the P-47 (gratuitous self pat on the back) I've been having quite abit of low alt level combat success. I'm finding I'm getting into a "groove" again with the P-47 after some horrible times in it. Been hunting CHogs too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm batting .500. Been killed in a P-47 as many times as I've shot another plane down.
It does suck big time to see 3 or more red icons bearing down on you, with no friendlies around (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Then I wish I was in a Spit IX. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 10-27-2000).]
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A big <S> to all you '47 drivers out there. Probably flying the worst plane in the set, adn still with a good K/D, frenchy is a great pilot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
heres my tour 7 stats in the jug
zigrat has 131 kills and has been killed 60 times in the P-47-D30.
tour 8
zigrat has 29 kills and has been killed 28 times in the P-47-D30.
heres my tour 9
zigrat has 13 kills and has been killed 12 times in the P-47-D30.
yeah, uhmm i definitely suck in it more now. seems like something bad happened between tour 7 and tour 8.
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Its when the flight model of your favorite ride is lean when you find out who the real fans are. I respect a guy who'll fly an unpopular, tough plane just because he likes the plane. All the oppurtunists will move on to the less challenging stuff.
[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 10-27-2000).]
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FWIW:
tour 6:
delta has 5 kills and has been killed 1 time in the P-47-D25.
delta has 32 kills and has been killed 14 times in the P-47-D30.
tour 7:
delta has 7 kills and has been killed 10 times in the P-47-D25.
delta has 72 kills and has been killed 33 times in the P-47-D30.
tour 8 :
delta has 13 kills and has been killed 3 times in the P-47-D25.
delta has 25 kills and has been killed 28 times in the P-47-D30.
tour 9:
delta has 5 kills and has been killed 5 times in the P-47-D25.
delta has 7 kills and has been killed 8 times in the P-47-D30.
Tour 7 was a blast. And yes, something has happen to the P-47 in general. I just don't know what.
delta
Still trying to get it in the 47.
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Hey Frenchy, as much as I dislike the JUG, look me up sometime, I'll wing with ya in it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I dont fly much, but...
21 kills 0 deaths in P-47-D25
1 kill 0 deaths in P-47-D30
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It's still the King of Jabo. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nothing else can spray acks like that, or carry that much ordnance! If I'm not flying RAF and using Typhoon/Spit V for Jabo, P-47D-25 is my #1 choice.
We probably need an arena where the ground is at 20k above sea level. Then we'd see some Jugs. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-27-2000).]
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-27-2000).]
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I fly the -25 alot.
I have an addiction to tube rockets.
Now I want a P-51 with that option (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
- Jig
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I have found that Jug is my fav jabo ride (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif), but as far as fighter to fighter is concerned, well, I might as well just auger (maybe some fool will follow me down & die too). This, however, is true of alot (ok all, hehe) of planes.
Hblair, true, alot of us switch around, but some like me are still just testing the waters to find the main ride that FEELS right, ya know. Wish I could fly the 38, that'd be my first choice, but I'm either a steady targ. or leaden weight dropping to the ground in it. Just not meshing with her yet here like I was in FO, but give me time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- kidcol -
-=NightStalkers=-
"Wherever you go, there you are.." (overused Buckaroo Banzai quote)
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I still like it, I'll be back in it more once Med league is up. For flattening an entire field, you can't beat that loadout. (Not bad for bomber patrol neither)
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WHAT you talking about Frenchy???
these are the ONLY 3 things i took up in tour 9.
Nuttz has 79 kills and 55 deaths in the P-47-D30
NUTTZ has 80 kills and 53 deaths in the Niki
NUTTZ has 107 kills and 58 deaths in the panzer
Thats about it for me in tour 9.. and i rank around 200
NUTTZ ( If gotten so good at bailing, I can Immelman my chute (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
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There's nothing nutty about flying the Jug, it's one of the best all-around planes. I've been flying the D-25 mostly, I fly the D-30 when I want to use rockets, or when I'm buff hunting and may need the dive flaps. I figure the D-25 is a bit harder to see, so I fly it down low. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The Jug on half a tank of fuel is a match for any non-girly plane in a 1v1. It can outrun most of the rest. Also, it's the best jabo and a good buff hunter. Lots of ammo, good guns, good range, good high speed handling. It would be the Hog-C of the arena if there wasn't already a Hog-C.
ra
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frenchy, you ain;t the only one, funked blew me outta the sky in one earlier today, i was in a C-Hog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ote: mho, i like the Chog for jabo missions better than p-47, cannons and eggs on that thing will flatten 2 vfields easy
Hamish!
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I've been looking longingly at the Jug for a while now. Problem is it climbs slow and im an impatient fellow. I'd love a p47M/N.
btw has anyone noticed any difference at all between the d25 and d30? Seems to me like climb and speed is exactly the same.
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Frenchy,
I just checked my score, p47 against every other plane.
Seams i have the upper edge. With a Huge edge over Spit IX's and Chogs ( surprized me)
With the exception of
A5's
b-17's
with Oswinds taking the lead (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
NUTTZ
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I think the Wep is porked on the D30. It gives me 5 MPH speed increase at 5K, instead of 15 MPH like HTC chart says.
This 300 HP increase "Wep on" on the D30 looks not effective.
I think you feel the difference in dogfight, and that's why people went away from this plane as a fighter. but that's an another discussion from the "plane and vehicle".
Zigrat:
Frenchy has 139 kills and has been killed 70 times in the P-47-D30.
We close (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) that was a blessed time for the P47 hehehe
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While I salute you for the dedication to the Jug, I will be flying only the C202 this tour...
...I'd trade ya... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Silly Frenchy... its not the plane that makes you so stupid... its the handle (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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One would think from their record in combat that the P-47 would do very well in AH. Supposedly it could corkscrew outclimb anything with that big radial powerplant. It could also outdive anything. It's low level performance was just as good as high level with that two stage blower. Robert Johnson said the reason that P-51 pilots did so well was because all the Jug drivers killed or wounded the best LW pilots before the P-51 got into service, of course, he was biased. But he could have a point.....something to think about anyway.
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Frenchy
<S> for our fight a few days ago.
I should have filmed it. P-38 vs P-47, the two undermodelled giants of AH duking it out over the skies of Niki-land.
too bad a spit interrupted us.
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Hi
Maybe it will get better somehow. It got pretty bad for the 109 in new FM and so I flew some "other" -shameful- planes for a while. But I recently got back to the 109 and it seems I can do ok in it if I really stick to its strengths. Might work out fer u too, but ill agree I havent seen 1/20th the 47s since 104 came out.
thanks GRUNHERZ
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plus blame the new chog FM
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eagl has 8 kills and has been killed 1 time in the P-47-D25.
eagl has 2 kills and has been killed 2 times in the P-47-D30.
Works for me...
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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"btw has anyone noticed any difference at all between the d25 and d30? Seems to me like climb and speed is exactly the same."
That's because the D-25 and D-30 in Aces High DO perform exactly the same. Seems there's a bug and they have the exact same FM.
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Admittingly I havent flown it much in a while but---
tour 7
ammo has 117 kills and has been killed 54 times in the P-47-D30.
ammo has 26 kills and has been killed 8 times in the P-47-D25.
tour 8
ammo has 3 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-47-D25.
ammo has 42 kills and has been killed 20 times in the P-47-D30.
and then, I it went to pot---
tour 9
ammo has 3 kills and has been killed 3 times in the P-47-D30.
ammo has 3 kills and has been killed 3 times in the P-47-D25.
Still like the plane but got to likin the pony more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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the Jug is a sweet ride. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
It can just be SOOO SLOW at times (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I butterin love the 47
Exile has 59 kills and has been killed 38 times in the P-47-D30.
I used to be a wannabe 38 driver ... I really wanted to learn to drive my fav ride here in AH, but then I gave the 47 a try and haven't looked back. I may not be that good but the 47 is a sweeeet ride! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ex ............................. ...
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How does the Jug compare to the 190A8?
A5's are also fairly rare, and A('s exceedingly so.
I imagina climb rate and acceleration is better in the Jug, aas is air to ground ordnance. With guns, well, the extra range of the .50's shoould make up for asomething, especially in a z&b'er. We're not talking .5's vs Hispanos but vs Mausers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Once there were loads of P-47's, then they figured out it was porked. That happened to A5 too, back in ye olde days.
You should be sorta pleased Frenchy; means you're part of an elite group of pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/sig.gif)
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Santa, climb rate and acceleration and sustained turning are pretty similar between Jug and A-8. The main difference is that the A-8 is faster on the deck, and the Jug is faster above 15k or so.
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Westy, you don't need no Spitfire IX, you fly that P47 like a Spitfire IX!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Salute
Nexx
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My main ride was always the Jug. I joined the 48th FG because they were mostly Jug drivers at the beginning and I wanted to master this beast. I had a 3.8 k/d in Tour 8, then went to 1.6 in Tour 9. I guess my squad has moved away from the P-47 towards the Pony and the Lightning, and I've started to believe that I can't get kills in the Jug anymore.
I don't know if anything is wrong with the Jug, but it seems to be slower and accelerate slower than any other fighter in the arena, even when it's nose is pointed straight at the deck. You screw up in ACM (as I often do) and it's impossible to escape--that used to not be the case. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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I still fly the 47 a lot. It still is my main ride. Always liked the plane, always will. My score? Don't know, rarely look at it. Maybe because I aint so good? Probably (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
It does take some patience to fly it, I normally fly the -25 for two reasons:
1) I grew up in Brazil and there is an emotional attachment there.
2) I think it maneuvers a little bit better slow than the -30.
I don't think it's FM has changed since Version 1.03 but I do think that other planes have become much better. I suck at Jabo so I really mostly fly it as a fighter and buff hunter. I find if I use the 267 rounds per gun option and 50% fuel with one drop tank (that I release when I enter combat) that it doesn't feel quite as much as a brick and can actually maneuver pretty well.
Like Sancho, I joined the 48th Fighter Group for the same reason, it was a 47 group. Like the other members of the squad I do fly other planes on occasion but allways go back to my trusty Jug.
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MarkAT
"It is not the critic who counts,
it is the man in the arena..."
Teddy Roosevelt
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correct me if I'm wrong, but do I notice more Niks' Tiffies and Chogs up more during this lastest patch? I see fewer FWs' and P-47s in the air now. One would think that would not be the case considering the war time records of both the 47 and FW. The Niks wartime record was inconsistant at best because of the relaibility of their engines, seems Japanese pilots when scrambled to intercept incoming B-29s, didn't know if their Niks would be able to get the same alt as the B-29s, the ones that did fly with good engines did well, but they were few. As for the tiffie it was a low level performer at best. The P-47s' two stage blower supposedly gave it good low alt performance also. The FW was a good interceptor period, have gun cam film to prove it, and the chog didn't show up in enough numbers to establish a viable record. Am I wrong? As I quite frequently am, or do some of you notice the same thing I do???? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Back in Warbirds (I've sort of taken a hiatus of 1-2 years and restarted playing in AH exclusively)....
The 47 wasn't much of an arena plane.
But, in large 8th Air Force scenarios, with large groups of planes, at high altitude, vs. historical opponents, the 47 did very well.
Having tight wingmen, etc. is more important to the 47 than almost any other plane.
The nature of the MA is the exact environment that highlights the 47's weaknesses and diminishes its strengths. Groups of 8+ planes escorting bombers at 27,000 feet vs. 109s and 190s is the exact environment that highlights the 47's strengths and diminishes its weaknesses.
When AH gets around to a 1944/1945 Western Europe scenario you guys will have your day.
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Thank you Nexx. That's one of the nicest compliments I've ever had here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S>
-Westy
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Halo, I believe the greatness of the JUG IRL was the pilots and excellent winging, A single jug is just dead meat, thats the difference.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Hajo:
One would think from their record in combat that the P-47 would do very well in AH. Supposedly it could corkscrew outclimb anything with that big radial powerplant. It could also outdive anything. It's low level performance was just as good as high level with that two stage blower. Robert Johnson said the reason that P-51 pilots did so well was because all the Jug drivers killed or wounded the best LW pilots before the P-51 got into service, of course, he was biased. But he could have a point.....something to think about anyway.
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LOL Frenchy,you know I still fly it-ya killed me in it 4x two days ago. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tour 6: jihad has 121 kills and has been killed 60 times in the P-47-D30.
Tour 7: jihad has 97 kills and has been killed 51 times in the P-47-D30.
Tour 8: jihad has 30 kills and has been killed 21 times in the P-47-D30.
Tour 9: jihad has 30 kills and has been killed 37 times in the P-47-D30.
Something has definitely changed,it seems slower,it has a horrible mush at the top of zoom/reversals, <may be my lousy Logitech stick> sure hope it gets ironed out next release.
[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 10-28-2000).]
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First of all, thx you guys for sharing your POV with me. I particualrly appreciated that you didn't start the endless,"the P47 should...as much as...blahblah" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I also think that other planes increased their performances. Before I could bleed the E of the other guy, even a Spit by a series of manouevers and then I was "controling the fight". With new E retention, I think some planes got a rebirth (maybe rightfully, i don't know) and now are able to come back pointing the nose at you when u are at the top of your zoom, even with more E.
I think people got away from the P47, also because of the return of the beta terrain. Not picking on this terrain here, but bases are closer, and usually this arena is gang bang alley, where u see a cloud of fighter from Ax going agains a cloub of fighter from Ax'.
Most of those furballs, "forces the P47" pilot to "go in" and usually get's jumped couple of min laters by an another bandit fuelling the fight. In previous terrain, we had more space and I could always find a way to have a 1V1, 1V2, 2V2 and it was possible to survive because if you shot down both of them after a hard fight, u usually end up low/slow but can go home cause nobody around.
In this arena, after u sweat to kill a yak for example, when u check 6 you see a niki or whatever dive on you, well u toasted (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Off course the solution is to stick to B&Z or run when a Spit/Niki/Yak/Zeke comes around, but it's way less fun.
As far as i'm concerned, I have way more fun to kill a Spit in a "tight fight" rather than a 5kills run where I purelly "B&Z, hit and run".
No offense there, it's my POV only, not a critic.
My only concern so far about the P47 is the Wep of the D30. When I fly level at 5,000ft and I kick it on, I gained 5 MPH only when I run out of Wep. HTC charts states 15MPH, but looks like it happens on my computer only (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif), Pyro was kind enought to check it and couldn't reproduce it.
Salute all, to P47 lovers (feel free to contact me for wingging on TxT 115/RW 115), salute to people who are dedicated to other planes (202 comes to mind (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), and salute to all the others, even the so called Whatever Dweeb, who at least provide target for us and makes us sweat (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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That does sum it up pretty much Frenchy. After 1.04 was released and 'somehting' happened to the Jug I tried to fly the 38 again, but that was even worse. I loved the 202 and 205. Even the G2 and G6. I never fly the Spitfire or the Mustang. One is to easy and the 51 I find very hard to control. If I went for the the Niki and F4U, I felt like I was jumping on the train with everyone esle. I like to be 'different' so back to the Jug I went.
and I have to say I had a blast this afternoon. My highest run was 5 kills at A3 [cod bless ya Dux (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ] and no rearm. All low alt, all turning and burning. The Jug surprises the HELL out of many people. That;s for sure.
I found a neat trick and that is to go into a tight downward corkscrew/spiral to defend against a bogy(s) that got onto your "six". Works very well. Do that and when you're ready, pull sharply pull up and roll and you'll find it puts you back on thier tail most often or at least it breaks up thier attack - big time. Not much can roll with a Jug. Of course, don't run out of air and corkscrew into the mud (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Frenchy, I have to admit I backed off on the Jug when it seemed the others had not only caught up to it in performance, but actually passed it by.
Tour 7:
eddiek had 147 kills, 71 deaths in P47D-30
eddiek had 5 kills, 2 deaths in P47D-25
Tour 8:
eddiek had 25 kills, 17 deaths in P47D-30
eddiek had 1 kill, 1 death in P47D-25
Tour 9:
eddiek has 8 kills, 9 deaths in P47D-30
My overall K/D ratio went downhill from Tour 7 to Tour 9.........like from around 1.5 to 0.5...........lol.
This Logitech Wingman Digital Xtreme 3D stick unexplainably went haywire on me, and I had 25 deaths from that alone. It is working better than ever now........who knows why? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
After reading your post Frenchy into the MA and took a Jug up........took down a 205 less than a mile from the field, then goofed up and let Scipio and his evil Spit get on me......BOOM!
Reupped, went and kilt a C-Hog, then 2 Spits.....(one of them was Scipio...hehehehe)..then rtb to get ready for work.
I think we got caught by surprise when 1.04 came out, cause planes that we used to handle well suddenly ate us alive...... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Have decided to keep my butt in my beloved Jug and try to regain the skills I lost while I was wandering in the "what should I fly" wilderness.
Cya in the air, Frenchy! <S>!!
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This Logitech Wingman Digital Xtreme 3D stick unexplainably went haywire on me, and I had 25 deaths from that alone. It is working better than ever now........who knows why?
AHA!
Frenchy and I both use the same stick as you,and mines been giving me hell since 1.04 came out.
I suspect a compatibility issue with Logitech software.
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mine worked great till last week. Some slight rudder movements and I have a "move too fast"...anyoing in combat. I just think it's my stick who's getting wacked after 3 months of use.
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Frenchy,
That is EXACTLY what happened to my stick.....and I mean EXACTLY!
I took the darn thing apart and looked for loose wires (after a 35 minute phone call with HT) and whatever I did, the darn thing started working.
I was getting the "move too fast" message when the stick was setting on the desk UNTOUCHED.......forget about flying with it that way.
Hope you can get yours lined out and get back in the air. I am gonna keep this one til I can afford a Saitek X36 HOTAS setup and some rudder pedals......Milenko says his work fantastic, I am just not sure what brand will work with the Saitek setup.
I was looking at some of the films from a few of our Jug versus Jug dogfights Frenchy.....those were great fun, even though I lost....... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I have been choosing an airbase a little farther away from the action in order to get some alt, then I head in once the Jug is in her element.
I do not understand how come the .50's seem so weak.........my dad's cousin flew Jugs in WW2, and he said that when you hit something with that arsenal of .50's, especially near or at the convergence point, whatever aircraft was in your sight "simply ceased to exist. Son, we're talking about a 3-4 foot diameter area where them shells was hitting all at once.......no plane was armored enough to take that much fire that fast."
The old guy is in his 80's now, but he said the Jug was tough enough to take a lot of fire and still bring you home........told him about the things that knock you down in AH, he just laughed and said "that did not happen much in the real world. Unless you lost a lot of parts from the damned thing, it would get you home."
Talking about the dive, he said " I never ever heard about anyone getting caught in a dive.......once you stuck that nose down, it was like the other guy went into reverse........you were gone in a big hurry."
Sorry for the rambling......just got to thinking about him.
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Originally posted by eddiek:
Talking about the dive, he said " I never ever heard about anyone getting caught in a dive.......once you stuck that nose down, it was like the other guy went into reverse........you were gone in a big hurry."
Interesting anecdotes. I especially like that last part about diving away from the enemy. I got caught by a 109g2 a couple weeks ago in the med league. We were roughly co-E with him 1.2 on my 6. I screwed up in my attack and was low on fuel so I decided to bug out. He followed me 10k feet down at 60 degreee angle and caught me at the bottom. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Anyways, my stats look something like yours right now. Either something is seriously porked with the Jug or I've just gotten used to other rides. But either way, 9 jug sorties in a tour isn't going to answer that question. I too am going to be spending a lot more time in the Jug, trying to get my skills back in that bird.
And Jihad, I agree, the dang jug is way too mushy at the top of a zoom climb... it used to be easy to spin that heavy nose around at the top of a zoom and thunder down on your opponent. Now it wallows and stalls uncontrollably. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by Sancho (edited 10-30-2000).]
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Guys, I just responded in the other thread. I'm using a Wingman Extreme Digital 3d myself. (USB connection method) I haven't had any problems. I only installed the software it came with (version 3.25.384). I was unaware there was a dx7a patch, so I'm not using that either.
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