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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on August 21, 2003, 08:28:26 PM
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simply because there is action in the small maps. the big maps are bigger sure 4 times bigger.
but that also creates 4 times less action with the front stretched out badly.
small maps good large maps bad!
and add to that its so hard to navigate 512x512 maps on clipboard is big jumbled mess unless zoomed in. blah
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small maps are better, much better.
yes. the lake map is the best.:p small maps are fine expect for the darn sucide porkers. grrr. there was furball off of a2 today and these freakin sucide porkers come and pork our fuel and i was having fun:( .
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Now, now Kids. Beet1e will be along shortly to explain to you why small maps are "children's maps".
So be good children until he gets here, ok?
Fun is bad. Remember that. Fun = the DARK SIDE! :eek:
This game isn't about fun. Remember that too.
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Fun = the DARK SIDE!:eek:
wrong. ohh damn tommorow is pizza:mad: alright anyone have any game suggestions for me to play next week? little maps are fun you can find furballs and get kills:cool: .
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tic-tac-toe?
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And my argument here, Fester..
Originally posted by Rutilant
People are always saying the smaller fields force people to fight, and have more furballs.. I disagree because..
On smaller maps, numbers matter more, because 2 sides are fighting between 1 or 2 fields. The numbers are forced to go there, so the side with more numbers always starts steamrolling. SO furballs last a shorter period of time before the dweebs arrive..
On larger maps, the numbers can be spread out more so the steamroller doesnt get started as easily. Furballs don't become any less prevalant, because players arent distributed evenly between all fields. If there's decent darbar in the area, the 'furballers' are gonna be attracted to it, so a furball starts.. with the extra distance between fields they furball happens between fields and not over them, so hey don't get porked as easily and in turn the furballs last longer, while the 'strat' players can get together on another part of the map and take bases, rather than making both play for and between the same 2 fields. Also, with the extra fields any steamroller that may occurr can be thwarted before they have a major impact. Trinity gets steamrolled because the bottom gets ganged, and pizza gets steamrolled because there are too damn many fields...
SO, to sum this up..
Small maps = less fields = less buffer = more steamroller = less furballs.
Large maps = more fields = more buffer = less steamroller = more furballs and more VARIETY!
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Originally posted by Toad
Now, now Kids. Beet1e will be along shortly to explain to you why small maps are "children's maps".
So be good children until he gets here, ok?
Fun is bad. Remember that. Fun = the DARK SIDE! :eek:
This game isn't about fun. Remember that too.
But Mr. Toad! You are deviating from your erstwhile handling of the situation when someone makes a purely subjective statement. Your stock answer, and the one you should have given to citabria, is...
(http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/toadabs.jpg)
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I much prefer the smaller maps, but on the other hand I don't get play US prime time much: Australia "prime-time" is usually less than 100 people and with those numbers the big maps seem pretty empty.
That being said I think the big maps are just too big right now: there are just too many bases along the front which leads to milk-running and fuel porking. A couple of years ago we didn't have as many fuel porking complaints: not beacuse people didn't do it but because in order to do it they had to face some kind of defence. Now even a field that has a lot of defenders can have it's fuel porked pretty easily: you just fly acorss the from where no-one is defending and come in from the rear.
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Cit offers an opinion. Your remark is a canard.
My oft-quoted remark would of course not apply to Cit's opinion but fits well with your canard.
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Originally posted by Toad
My oft-quoted remark would of course not apply to Cit's opinion
Well of course it would. It is clear that Cit's statement is subjective (ie absolutist) given that Rutilant and myself do not concur.
But since you mentioned canard, please feel free to "duck" the issue. :D
On the children's maps you can find Mr. Toad's variety of freedom - the kiddie pie throwing contest of suicide fuel porkage, suicide CV killing, ganging hordes, steamrollers and other assorted dweebery. Enjoy it while you can. Pizza will be served shortly*
*Is it pizza next?
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Note that Cit does not attack or denigrate the "big maps" as you find it necessary to do with the smaller maps. A sign of his maturity. :D
Beet1e:
the kiddie pie throwing contest of suicide fuel porkage, suicide CV killing, ganging hordes, steamrollers and other assorted dweebery. Enjoy it while you can. Pizza will be served shortly*
And you'll see the exact same behaviors on the bigger maps, like Pizza. It isn't dependent upon which map is up. You make "winning the war" the ultimate goal, this is what you get. Enjoy "winning" Beet.
I'll just be "fighting". If it's AKDesert though, I'll probably be in the DA or CT. What is the CT running next?
Their PAC stuff is usually good.
CT is is Zeke and Wildcats. Good potential here. Looks like a possible problem with the bombers being too good for the fighters but the potential for some great action is there. Definitely will be checking this on out. I love the gray vs blue airplane setup. They could even turn icons off for this one. Doesn't look like Desert Doomed to me. Could be a fun week.
:D
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The big maps *may* be too big for some people in some timezones, but the small maps are too small for any team on the receiving end of that particular nights gangbang. There are people firmly entrenched in the camps at both extremes of this fortunately (and rightly so) HTC has not been catering to either.
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Originally posted by Toad
And you'll see the exact same behaviors on the bigger maps, like Pizza. It isn't dependent upon which map is up.
I think you're wrong. The porkers don't have the patience to deploy their tactics on the larger maps like Pizza. Besides, the pizza map provides the best GV battles, sometimes GV combined with aircraft battles. Like Rutilant said - Variety.
Cit is entitled to his opinion, but it should have been presented as an opinion rather than a statement of fact. Hell, I'd prefer small maps if I wanted to cherrypick my way around the map in a 262.
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I gotta agree on the small maps.I think if they were twice the size it would be a bit better gameplay.Right now a full arena is just nuts on the smaller maps.
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Thanks, Beet.
Forgot about the GV's.
Looks like it will be the DA and CT for me this week. :D
You enjoy AKDesert now; and try to ignore the suicide fuel porkage, suicide CV killing, ganging hordes, steamrollers and other assorted dweebery that will be there just as it is on every other MA map. Just pretend it isn't happening and go Win That War!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaahh!
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Small maps are best when numbers are around 150...Big maps are better(if they would map the bases closer..add more cv's please!)
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NDIsles is my favorite Map. Lot's to do and you can do it in any direction. Though... it always ends up being a tag team effort against the coffin corner.
I've never been a big lake uterus fan. The front's are always just two bases on either side of the lake with the southern nation ganged up on. The terrain is a little boring too.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Toad
Win That War!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaahh!
Mr. Toad, I've already told you. I don't care about winning the war - I don't need to win perks that way. All my perks are earned. Do you really think I'm going to stay in the MA from now till the first reset???
I do however like the combat and battles arising from attempts to capture territory or defence against same. That's not the same as winning the war. Shame you still can't tell the difference.
Hope you have fun in the DA. If it's as good as you say it is, why not make it your permanent home? :D
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I completely agree with Fester. I don't enjoy flying on large maps at all. I'm very seriously considering canceling my account because of the current map rotation because it has sapped my love for the game.
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well... hmmm cit and toads "concure" and you and rut "concure" puts new meaning into the term "no brainer". the small map are obviously better.
lazs
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I dislike the small maps almost as much as the larger maps.
I need a medium map for minimised misery.
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I'm just going to logon and mindlessly pork fuel, unless it's dark....in that case I'll just logon, take off and auger repeatedly in protest.
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Originally posted by Citabria
small maps good large maps bad!
I agree
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... hmmm cit and toads "concure" and you and rut "concure" puts new meaning into the term "no brainer". the small map are obviously better.
lazs
Concure? What, like William concured England in 1066?
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Not this discussion again.... Has lazs posted yet?
People who complain about the maps forget there are other people who play the game also.... Some like it big, some like it small.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by AtmkRstr
I completely agree with Fester. I don't enjoy flying on large maps at all. I'm very seriously considering canceling my account because of the current map rotation because it has sapped my love for the game.
AtmkRstr! You killed my 109F, ya bastage! It was a good kill. But now my 109F k/d has sunk to 24/3. :( (lazs bait)
I was scouring for inbound jabos, and your Spit ix was harassing me. I went after a zeke, got no 6-call even when I saw you at 400 on my 6. Did a split-S, but too late - you got me anyway. Good flying, SA and E management! again. But...
...the fight was between my field and the CV just offshore. Instead of making a fight at the CV, you took off from a nearby field inland, and came in to cherry pick. So yes, I can see why you would like the small maps - you only had to fly five minutes to begin your cherrypicking.
A pattern is emerging here. Small maps - the cherrypickers' choice.
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Originally posted by Zanth
...fortunately (and rightly so) HTC has not been catering to either.
Ya think?
3 wks for the 512's and 1 wk for all the good ones combined. Seems a little biased.
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Originally posted by AtmkRstr
I completely agree with Fester. I don't enjoy flying on large maps at all. I'm very seriously considering canceling my account because of the current map rotation because it has sapped my love for the game.
Death Flies Behind You
Lock the door, switch the lights
You'll be so shot down tonight
Fly away from the fight
Count the nine lives you have lost
Start to scream, shout for help
There's no wingman by your side
To forget what was done
Seems so hard to carry on
Death flies behind you
:D
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Small maps make it worth the trouble to fly the early and mid-war planes, like the Ki-61 and 109F4.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
wrong. ohh damn tommorow is pizza:mad: alright anyone have any game suggestions for me to play next week? little maps are fun you can find furballs and get kills:cool: .
Find a carrier.
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Originally posted by Toad
Thanks, Beet.
Forgot about the GV's.
Looks like it will be the DA and CT for me this week. :D
You enjoy AKDesert now; and try to ignore the suicide fuel porkage, suicide CV killing, ganging hordes, steamrollers and other assorted dweebery that will be there just as it is on every other MA map. Just pretend it isn't happening and go Win That War!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaahh!
Hold the phones!
DA? You'll be in the DA? The place you said didnt get any 'real' fights when some persons offered that as an alternative to the MA?
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Small maps make it worth the trouble to fly the early and mid-war planes, like the Ki-61 and 109F4.
right:D . god ive heard atleast 20 whines in the ammount of time pizza has been up already. 19 of them were me.
skull12
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Well, it looks like I chose the wrong week to get addicted to the 109F4. Guess I'll have to fly the G10 instead. ;)
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Oh! Oh! I know! I'll call you (the lazs 'inner ring') bigots. Bigoted against people with different opinions? Bigoted against big maps? Hmmmmmmm....
(pssssst, it's "concur")
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Oh! Oh! I know! I'll call you (the lazs 'inner ring') bigots. Bigoted against people with different opinions? Bigoted against big maps? Hmmmmmmm....
(pssssst, it's "concur")
Right on!!!! A one arena government for AH!!!!!
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Nope, Rut. That's not what I said. But those on your side of the fence rarely bother to get quotes right, so proceed.
You can pretend to be me and argue both sides of it with yourself. That way you may finally be able to claim yourself victorius.
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Map size would be less important if the gameplay was changed. Being that the way to win is pork and capture by shear force of numbers, the crap gameplay will continue.
The overall goal of the game needs to be changed to something aside from capture every base to win.
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Damn .. pizza! Ok its CT for me also. As for maps, I do prefer the smaller. Actually I prefer most anything to the pizza. What I find almost as annoying though, is, folks like Beet1e. That boy needs to find a hobby :)
Pirate
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Originally posted by Pirate BK
What I find almost as annoying though, is, folks like Beet1e. Pirate
The truth always hurts. LOL This ^ guy even has a handle he uses just for pizza map whine! Talk about paranoid. 9 posts in total - almost all one-liner complaints about the pizza map. Erm... just who needs a hobby?
Pirate's whines: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=81644
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big maps would be tolerable if the fuel situation was corrected. The ability for 1 person to stretch the front line so many miles is what cripples the bigger maps.
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Just give me the big maps
loose those small maps.
and for now suffer smallmap lovers, ur gonna suffer 3 weeks now
muhahahahahahhahahahahaahahah ahahaha.
it's not the map but the pilot
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"This ^ guy even has a handle he uses just for pizza map whine! Talk about paranoid. 9 posts in total - almost all one-liner complaints about the pizza map."
Actually I have had this handle for about 13 years or so. Red Baron, Airwarrior, Warbirds, Aces High. Though I did lose it for a bit < went by pi > Yankee warned me when I took it back that the person who occupied my callsign had some problems, though I know that is not what you mean Beet1e.
Yes I really don't like the pizza map .. but what I find amusing is every time I see a post by Toad or a few others BANG thAr be old beetie drivilin away. I stand corrected, you seem to have found a hobby.
Pirate
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Pirate. Sorry my point was lost on you. I will spell it out.
Lots of people argue against the pizza map. They would like to see it gone by fair means or foul. So they shout from the rooftops about how they hate the pizza map. To add weight to their cause, people like you use a fake ID whose primary purpose (based on the evidence, if you would follow the link I provided) is to whine about the pizza map. (7 posts out of 9 at the time I created the link) That way, they can make it look as if twice as many people are complaining about the map, as I suspect "Pirate" uses his "real" ID to whine about it as well. For all I know you have yet more IDs set up to add weight to the anti-pizza whine movement.
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Yawn ... look Beetie, I will spell it out for you. Pirate is all I go by, Sorry buddy but I don't post all that much. Not that I am counting, but you may be right in that 7 out of however many posts are about not liking pizza map. Might that not be due to a response to a thread about pizza map.
Look Beet1e you as I know nothing about each other so here is some real brief info about me. I am 48 years old, was able to retire by age 42. Started a family & now have a 2 year old & a 6 year old. I can due most anything I want .. life is good! Son due you REALLY think I have the need or would waste my time posting under another handle to complain about the pizza map Just so it would look like more people don't like said map? You really are a fool! For what it is worth I went to a con once back in the 90's, took my father. Met a few guys that are still around. I had the Handle Pirate back then. Hell my Father who is in his 70's plays this game Only reason for bringing it up is because of this silly notion of yours re: me posting under a fake name. Follow the link .. give me a break. Before I only found it amusing how you dog a few posters. Now I think you need some help. Posting under fake names to add to the anti pizza count .. follow the link BWAhahhAHAHAHAHA what a chump.
I am done with your silly paranoid arse .... Cya
Pirate
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Oh! You're same age as me. I retired too. Tony Blair's government took too much tax off me to make work worthwhile any more.
OK, Pirate. But I find it most odd that up to and including your first post in this thread, you had made posted only 9 times in about 2 years, and on 7 of those occasions it was to whine about the pizza map. I guess you have a fixation. I can due most anything I want
...except spell properly.
Buh-bye.
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Beet1e No need for this to get into a slugfest, Sorry for harsh posts.
Yes it might seem odd, but I really never post, guess pizza map / thread struck a nerve. Also I have forgotten passwords, then would just register again, have used variations of pirate pirate BK, BK Pirate and pi along with Chuck over the years. This last time I sent request for password & saved it.
:) True spelling was never my strong point. One might question my level of education. I am lost without spell checker (along with a few key people that were in my employ) as my ability to type is also lacking.... that and my fingers & mind never seem to get in stride.
Pirate
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OK, Pirate - fine.
But hey - this game has got so much going for it. I'm sorry that the only time you see fit to post is, with very few exceptions, to whine about a map you don't like.
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Originally posted by Citabria
small maps good large maps bad!
Disagree. You will find same furball spots in both types. But in large maps you can organize some successful missions with few planes while in small maps you will find no more than the typical "horde vs horde" situation.
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I enjoy the small maps, Mindy and the Baltic being the most fun. Uterus is the one exception. Just don't enjoy it much.
With some more CV's Big Isles has some posiblilities. When the CV fights are going on some nights it is the BEST map of the set. When they're not it's the most boring map of the set. Go figure.
Trinity has improved with the rearrangement of fields. Still has the penchent for steamrollers tho.. Toss in three more CV groups and give it a whirl.
Pizza....
Lately I have found some fights. We'll see how the week plays out. There are certain areas that tend to heat up. Tho a Spit V for the most part is useless.
Beet1e read some history (http://www.theblueknights.com/History.html) circa 1997.
You might find a familier name.
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The very fact that this discussion is taking place, and that opinion is not uniform amongst our community proves to me that the subject under debate - the very title of the thread - is a subjective assessment, and not a statement of fact.
Lol Nopoop! You have Gabreski in your squad? Shot him down a time or two. Boy, did he whine - thought he'd never stop!
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Originally posted by nopoop
... Tho a Spit V for the most part is useless. ...
Oh .. I beg to differ Mr. Guy that has no fecal material !!!