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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TheWobble on December 11, 2000, 06:33:00 PM
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I dont want to make any propheads mad here, i love WW2 sims but sometimes I have to wonder..What would a Modern aircraft sim be like using the AH Engine? I think it would be awsome, Ive played many of the latest one (janes f15 and so on...) and they look nice but they dont have that fluid flying feel that AH engin gives, its like your on rails or something. Plus the current engine is almost perfectly set up for it, i mean ya have radar and soon to have carriers, i just think it would be sweet to take off from my Bish base and screem in at low alt with a My F-111 and do dome radar bustin, or hop into a Stratofortress (i would make the game NON-nuclear though), launch off a carrier in an A-6 or F-18 or f-14, do some deep penetrations in a f-117 at night (would have to have a better night thats all ya would need to add), I mean WW2 stuff is a blast but a modern aircraft sime thats worth a crap is hard to find and if HTC made one that is even half as fun as AH it would be solid gold. You could have abrams tanks, you could choose to man a patriot missle battery (and hit nothing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) maby some of them other AAA vehicles. Maby have an Aeigis equipped warship or 2. Maby Im off here but i think it would be a blast, it would be a real challenge traying to protect your carrer groop from Atendars with exocet missles, have bombers that can drop cruise missles (which can also be shot down) b-2 spirit and B-1 and Yf-22 would be perked. escort in some f-18s on a strike by flying an awac with radar jamming equipt..the possibilities are endless.
Hmm, what aircraft would there be...
United States:
F-18 series
F-16
F-111 Ardvark
A-6 intruder
B-52
F-15 Eagle
F-14 Tomcat
That gigantic transport the name iludes me (for goons)
F-117 nighthawk
B-2 Spirit (perk)
B-1b (perk)
Russian aircraft:
Bear bomber
backfire bomber
Mig series (quite a few of them)
Su-27 Flanker
..some others (not to familiar with Ruskie stuff)
Land Vehicles:
Bradley (for goons)
M1a2
sa-8 Gecko (mean little bastard)
patriot battery
HumV with different, loadouts like TOW missles and other nice little trimmings
Some kind of mine laying thing...???
Weapons:
harm andti radar
Maveric
Tomahawk and exocet
cruise (bomber only or ship launched)
cluster bombs
The Mk series
The Mk series retarded
durindal anti runway
sidewinder
Aim 120 aamram
and all of the Russion counterparts.
i cant think of anything else off the top of my head but you get my idea, i like WW2 stuff as much as anybody butlike many i am starving for a fun AND realistic modern aircraft combat sim.
What yall think?
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Real men fly props, sissies hide behind missles. <G>
-SW
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nooo, sissies spam serious posts....
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jets are gay
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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You tread on veeeerrry thin ice here Wobbly...
If we liked jets, we wouldn't be here, so take yer blasphemy elsewhere +)
seriously tho, we are propheads, I'd love to see what the HTC team could do with other eras (WW1 comes to mind) but i'd like AH finished first +)
AKSKurj
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Skuri. Easy to find out. Try DOA.
As to he he the jet hho ho thing hee he he jets arnt us.
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missile fighting is boring as hell
only cool modern plane is the A10 and thats because it looks like it has a cigarette in its mouth, very cool
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No reason to perk B-1b...
It's piece of cake to Mig-21Bis. Or Foxhound (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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WWII planes are the coolest planes ever.
eskimo
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I like WWII planes myself as well... That said I bet HT could make a bundle here. Just imagine, using the same basic engine HTC could have Modern, WWII, WWI, Korean, and Vietnam arenas. Then "Aces High" would truely be a reality. One game, 5 different eras.
You can't tell me this isn't the slightest bit interesting. Aces High could evolve to become the first/only fight sim to have all eras of planes.
Wobble has a point, the AH engine would be nearly ideal. Do some artwork, gunnery, and FM work and reuse the engine and all of the sudden you have a Vietnam sim. It would be the ultimate flight sim. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Add the navy and ground war secondary elements and you have without a doubt the greatest online sim ever.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Heh.... 60 planes, 25 mile square area, fire and forget weapons. Actually sounds like fun.
Er... for about 5 minutes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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They could do it similar to what WBs does with cockpits. Say a downloadable module for each era:
WW1
WW2
Korea
Vietnam
This would keep the dload size down. One main arena for each era, plus special events arenas as needed. Personally I agree that other sims seem to let you fly on rails. ATF Gold was the first jet sim I ever played; yech. Tried a few others with little success, including Falcon 4 [demo still don't work right]. I've been looking for a Vietnam-era sim for a long time and have yet to find one. Ahh well, I guess I'm stuck with photos and ATF to pass time in jets.
Anyone up for a quick Deathmatch run in Quake 2? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
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There's *WAY* to much politics coming into play after WWII.
"Die you commie bastards! I don't care what high command says I'm going downtown and taking several thousand..." Well you get the picture. Anything resembling historic stuff is just to touchy. Even fantasy arena stuff would be pushing it.
Btw who wants to hear "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa I got hit by a stray missle!" all the time?
- Jig
Btw just check out what happened to AW:V if ya don't believe it.
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I was just saying DAMMIT that there is a lack of good modern flight sims, I know you folks like to live in the past and all but i miss my f-18 once in a while.
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Forget jets, if they ever get time to try something new, it should be a WWI flight sim.
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They should do the planesets for the pre-WW2 aerial conflicts. You know, Spanish Civil War, Manchurian? conflict...
I-15
I-16
SB
TB-3
CR 32
CR 42
SM 79
Ju 52
Ju 86
Bf 109B
Hs 123
He 51
A5M
G3M
Ki 27
etc...
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Bah, the fun part of jets isn't the dogfighting, it's the screaming-down the canyons evasion, the panicked evasives and dive to the deck as your flight gets lit up by radar, the frantic in-flight laser painting of the target for your GBUs and then the stealthy egress in your shot-up aircraft, running into and shooting down a flight of Hinds on the way.. in short, DID's EF2000. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
No, the AH engine isn't right for a jet sim. They're different worlds altogether. But it's true that a massively multiplayer jet sim in AH-style could be great fun, just not with the kind of mostly-mindless action seen in the MA of AH.
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Heheh jets with missiles in the MA?!
Lol i have a furball 40 miles out my 12..
6 phoenix missiles loaded on my F14 hmmm
lock, launch, lock, launch, lock, launch, lock, launch, lock, launch, lock...
u get the idea +)
Whole new definition of BnZ, BVR BnZ +)
oh yeah and watch out for the Sam dweeb +)
AKSKurj
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I am with Juzz on this one! As for HTC doing a Jetsim, I am sure they could do it well.
However, they would have to probably quadruple in size to handle all the systems that go into modern jets. I mean, look how much detail we get into with just ballistics of the guns in the game. Can you imagine all the threads like `That RADAR Mode isn't correct, it should...' and so on.
For HTC to make money off this current engine, I think if they just modeled the guns era only (WW1 to Korea) they could do quite well...and who is to say that isn't what they are thinking. I am just looking forward to the release of build 1.05 and all the planes they are gonna start cranking out afterward (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SD
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I prefer WWII prop planes any day....
BUT, if there was a good sim that had very good models of the Hawker Hunter, English Electric Lighting and Blackburn Buccanneer then I would be ecstatic! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (not talking about crappy MS planes here!) These three planes are three of my favourite all time jets! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards
Nexx
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Im sure they could make a really good one. They would have to really upgrade the scale of their business otherwise AH may suffer.
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Mmmm... Lightning and Buccaneer. Now that would be worth doing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Never seen either of those modelled anywhere, or the Jaguar for that matter.
How about adding the Avro Vulcan or any of the other V-bombers?
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
nooo, sissies spam serious posts....
Ouch! That one hurt!
Do you really think that HTC would devote a second to a jet sim? Nope. You know why? Because their interest lay in WWII, why else would they create AH? If they were interested in recreating WWI, we'd have something else. Korea, Vietnam, all would be something else. No, we have Aces High a WWII prop simulation and that's the direction HTC has been and will keep going until they decide it's feasible to build something else. That will likely be 2 years down the road and will definitely not be some "hey anyone can do this" jet sim. 50NM out, fire an AIM-54C. Ouch, I almost broke a sweat moving my finger to that button.
-SW
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Man you guys are unimaginative (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) 50's-60's jets, baby! Mirages! MiGs! Huns! Thuds! Buccaneers! Starfighters! Missiles??? Worthless! (Sorta like WB .50s)
I'm thinkin you could create an interesting "LoTech" jet sim if you kept it in the early jet age.
Anyone tried A-10Cuba? Pretty nice flight modeling, the only boxed sim I've played that approached the quality of AH or WB FM.
But...probably be better to get the Hurricane and Wildcat modeled before the MiG-15, eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
--jedi
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please wear this blindfold and stand against this post wobble,
fd ski line those men up...
ok any last requests wobble?
<silence>
AIM!!!................
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Yeah right, you wanna try and sneak up on a Bear? All those 23mm would tear you a new one at 1 mile out! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Actually missile combat can be quite fun and difficult, you dont tard yer bellybutton in head on at 10k or higher and just let loose and then chaff and flair your self crazy, you get a idea where yer target is and then ya scream down low and when yer about 20 miles out you pop out of NOE and let one rip and then hit the dirt again, hopefully you you will stay below his radar's LOS and your missle will find the target before your target realizes where you are. It can be as knuckle whitening as any gun dogfight. It is also fun to try to come in at 500kts and try to drop bombs on something form 500 feet while ack is shooting at you, and tying to stay low enogh to aviod sams, you guys are so narrow minded, you just think it would be some kind of long range missle crap, no wonder you dont like modern combat, you have no idea how it works. I has such a deeper immersion than ww2 because you have to work together and think about alot more things, I like the WW2 stuff but like alot of people Im starving for a jet sim thats worth a crap.
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No, I know exactly how modern day jet fighting works. Unless it's guns only, I don't find it fun at all. Avoiding sams? You have got to be kidding me. Drop some chaff or flares and turn a little, that's the way most games work these days and you're clear. Narrow minded? Nope. HTC created WB then went on to create AH. Oddly enough both are what era air combat based games? WWII, that's right. I wouldn't be here if it weren't WWII or WWI. You are preaching to the wrong guys if you want a jet game.
-SW
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Korea.
Mixed jet A/C with props as well, and no missiles.
The person(s) that do this will have a big market IMO.
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btw those endless overshoots and 20k zoom climbs are not much fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)