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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AHGOD on August 22, 2003, 11:04:24 AM
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Please can you try this for a short while? You can leave the tag but lose the perk value.
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no:D
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Not likely.
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yes plz do. if you wanna perk something perk the 190A8. no the ta152. they both they same thing except 190A8 has more firpower becuase of peashooters. ta 152 has only cannons.2 20mm and 1 30mm. 190A8. 2 20mm and 2 20mm or 20mm and 2 30mms now which 1 should be perked?
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ta 152 for 8 pts
152 would rule the skies if 1 opposing team airfield base is 250 miles away. At that distance, A2A dogfights would be forced at an altitude of 20-30K feet. The higher you go, you will achieve higher speeds.
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I once chased a TA152 up to 30k from the deck with a n1kki.
The TA thought he'd escape easily with the 'uber perk plane.'
I was in the n1kki and dialed '30k please' to the elevator and zoomed teh n1kki to teh helicopt4r m0d3. To my shock the TA just barely made distance, spending a good 10 minutes in my shooting range. I was low on ammo so I couldnt spray him down.
The fight lasted a good while between 15k and 30k and neither being able to make the kill. Finally ending to the TA getting a hair edge over the n1k at the altitude exceeding 30k and getting one lucky ping that took the horizontal stab. Needless to say I was in for a loooooong flopping way down.
It shouldn't be perked.
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In fact double the perk value... 152s are the plague of the MA.
Along with those gnat-like 202 and 205s!
Please remember to eat tuna, the fewer dolphines there are the safer our children will be on public busses.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I once chased a TA152 up to 30k from the deck with a n1kki.
The TA thought he'd escape easily with the 'uber perk plane.'
I was in the n1kki and dialed '30k please' to the elevator and zoomed teh n1kki to teh helicopt4r m0d3. To my shock the TA just barely made distance, spending a good 10 minutes in my shooting range. I was low on ammo so I couldnt spray him down.
The fight lasted a good while between 15k and 30k and neither being able to make the kill. Finally ending to the TA getting a hair edge over the n1k at the altitude exceeding 30k and getting one lucky ping that took the horizontal stab. Needless to say I was in for a loooooong flopping way down.
It shouldn't be perked.
Case example of why it shouldn't be perked the fighter should excel at that alt and leave the ufo behind which it doesn't.
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Case example of why it shouldn't be perked the fighter should excel at that alt and leave the ufo behind which it doesn't.
ditto
it can be run down by a 190D below 5k (where most fights are), a pony will run it down @ some higher alts, and its wings are more fragile than paper aginst b17's guns @ alt (what it should be good at and used for)
CO JB42 loves it but i just cant find a place for it in the MA.
just a lame thought by yours truly
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they are saying in MA it was "rarer" no reason to perk it.
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I dont fly the 152 all that often but I do like it.
I really dont see any reason for it to be perked.
I say that adding diverisity to the MA is a good thing, and adding some 152s would do just that.
Unperk the 152!
Nomak
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
yes plz do. if you wanna perk something perk the 190A8. no the ta152. they both they same thing except 190A8 has more firpower becuase of peashooters. ta 152 has only cannons.2 20mm and 1 30mm. 190A8. 2 20mm and 2 20mm or 20mm and 2 30mms now which 1 should be perked?
LOL...are you serious?
I found the 152 to handle better than the A8. I think the 152 also does better at higher alts and with fuel.
The 152 also handles at speeds better than the A8 if I'm not mistaken.
Of course I'm drunk and I could be wrong. But I have also found that most times I'm right without a fault while I'm drunk :p
Have a nice day.
"Get in me belly" - Fat Bastard
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no. drunky i dont agree. the ta152 can turn but....... if you dont burn wing tanks first and you turn to hard you will simply fall off. well im still awaiting a post from lazerus. he is the 190 expert.\
drunky read JB73's post .just proves 190A8 is better in almost everyway.
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I agree, if it must be perked pull it down to C-hawg level.
6- 10 perks is all thats needed to keep it from being overused.
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Does anyone here know that Kurt Tank was jumped by 4 mustangs at low alt while flying Ta-152?
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
yes plz do. if you wanna perk something perk the 190A8. no the ta152. they both they same thing except 190A8 has more firpower becuase of peashooters. ta 152 has only cannons.2 20mm and 1 30mm. 190A8. 2 20mm and 2 20mm or 20mm and 2 30mms now which 1 should be perked?
You're kidding. By that logic the 110 and mossie should definately be perked too. Hell, perk the B17... it has 12 .50 cals!
Firepower is only one aspect of a plane's performance.
152 has a pronounced turning advantage over the A8, far better performance at altitude, and far more powerful WEP. It also has smaller advantages in acceleration, climb rate, speed at pretty much all altitudes.
The only thing the A8 has going for it is the option to take one extra mk108. And since the 108s can't be fired separately from the mg151/20s on the A8, you're probably only hitting with one set of cannons or the other (ie you're wasting two guns) unless you're shooting at buffs or under d300 with a zero-degree deflection shot. Unless you're hunting buffs, that extra mk108 isn't that big of an advantage. With fighters, a single 30mm will do the same damage as two... dead target.
And the 152's performance advantages get even larger when you load the A8 down with the heavy 30mm loadout. Not to mention the 152's 30mm cannon has 90 rounds, as opposed to an A8 with 110 rounds being fired from two guns. So the 152 has almost twice the firing time from its 30mm than the A8. Add that to the fact that it's centerline mounted, you've got a far more useful weapon on the 152.
About perking it, it's not your typical MA monster that the other perk planes are. I'd either like to see the 152 tag changed to 190, or the perk cost eliminated (or reduced substantially). The plane just doesn't have the MA survivability to carry that perk tag on it.
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Hey Siaf__csf was it me in the Ta? I had a similar fight vs. a N1K. I couldnt believe that the N1k could stay behind my beloved 152 for so long.
Ta152 shouldnt be unperked cause it was used only for a short period at the END of WW2.
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I dont want the 152 to become the ride of choice amongst the unwashed masses. Though based on experiance in H2h it wouldn't except most of those that fly 190d would now fly 152.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I dont want the 152 to become the ride of choice amongst the unwashed masses. Though based on experiance in H2h it wouldn't except most of those that fly 190d would now fly 152.
I would fly the 152 more often, but since it is a perk tag everyone jumps on ya and rides ya to the ground.