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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: MRPLUTO on August 23, 2003, 09:24:58 AM
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The current plane set in the CT is great except for the very out-of-place, way-too-fast Ki-67. The "Peggy" was a 1944-era plane, not 1942. The people who made the Slot map were very smart to include the Ju-88 with Japanese markings, since the Ju-88 is much more representative of the early Japanese bombers the F4F's and P-40's would have faced.
Please don't add the Ju-88, substitute it for the Ki-67.
Anyone agree?
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Yup, get rid of KI-67 and replace it with JU-88.
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The JU 88 is in NO way anything like any Japanese bomber fielded during the war and is a totaly lame replacement for anything Japanese, and will not be replacing anything in any set up I have anything to do with in the CT that involves the Pacific.
The Only real differance the Peggy has Between the Betty is that the Betty had more 20mm cannon on it typicaly 2 to 4 of them depending on model and the Betty was around 30 mph slower (depending on model) than the Peggy is, they caried the same bombload.
We presently have a 44 TBM and 43 SBD in our set up and nobody is whing about them are they, they dont seam to be complaing much about the fact that Boston is as untouchable as the Peggy is relatitive to the A6M2 it faces.
As I have explained about a million times the Bombers dont realy have much impact in the set up anyway they are added to give both sides a platform to do Bomibing sorties with another toy.
The reasion their "both" not droped is that if they were the Allies would have to much of an advantage with their much better TBM and SBD in the ordance delevery catagory, so this is a balance issue.
You can also catch a Peggy with a Boston.
I was one of the people who helped make the slot map ( I did Skin and plane set research) and I thought it was a Stupid idea to add the JU 88 skined as a Japanese plane.
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Yup. Its about time to bring on the idiotic and myopic Allied whines.
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so where are the p-40e's?
p40b's only saw service in burma/china and were replaced by later versions elsewhere by this time.
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The set up is to feature the Wildcat and the Zero, I added the P40B since it was not going to upset the equation, the P40E would.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Yup. Its about time to bring on the idiotic and myopic Allied whines.
Huh? I can barely hear you over the huge number of whiney allied complaints that are every bit as numerous, idiotic and myopic as the axis wailing wall everytime any variant of the F4U surfaces in a CT pac setup. :D
But yeah ... keep it ... wgas. ;)
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hurry up next friday!
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Originally posted by Arlo
Huh? I can barely hear you over the huge number of whiney allied complaints that are every bit as numerous, idiotic and myopic as the axis wailing wall everytime any variant of the F4U surfaces in a CT pac setup. :D
But yeah ... keep it ... wgas. ;)
Arlo, you're not that stupid.
Look, the Axis players asked for both the Ki-67 and Boston Mk III to be removed because we know both are balanced and look at the picture from both sides.
The idiotic and myopic Allied players can't see beyond their own damned noses and never look at the big picture. They ask for just the Ki-67 to be removed while ignoring the fact that the Boston Mk III is just as bad for the other side and they do this every time.
And lay off of the ****ing "Remove the F4U" crap already. It was done one bloody time when it was clubbing baby seals. If you are so stupid that you think a effing 1943 F4U-1 should be matched against 1941 A6M2s and it is balanced and correct, well, then you're an idiot.
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ROFL!
Not the point, Karnie. You looked like you were waiting at the keyboard, tapping your fingers together, running to the restroom for quick breaks on occasion, ordering out pizza to be delivered to your computer desk ... waiting for that first allied complaint. Just so you could whip out the "look at all them whiney allied players" card first. Maybe you were waiting for a third but it was taking too long.
Hehe ... look you won.
Yeah ... look at `em all. :D
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I think its pretty much high time we try out that "Ignore" option in BBS user settings, Karnak.
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Hehe ... you mean from "ignore the point" to "ignore entirely?"
Heaven forbid someone make a broad-based accusational commentary and someone else responds to it with a bs call. ;)
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Guys... Brady isn't going to change the planeset. You don't like it right now? Who gives a damn. No one is /forcing/ you to stay in the CT and fly. There's the MA, there's the DA and there's the TA. Fly somewhere else for a week. It isn't going to kill you, promise.
It really just makes you look like a love muffin when all you're doing is complain' about the planeset, or 'axis this' and 'allied that'.
ITS JUST A GAME. GET OVER IT.
*steps off her soapbox*
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One small edit, Kes.
"Guys... Brady isn't going to change the planeset ... again[/color]."
I think most of us are having a pretty good time. The Allies grabbed some land for awhile but it seems that most of us would like to go ahead and duke it out with the zeros and leave the battlelines stable now. The Emperor's flying samurai are indeed a brave lot. Many of which have no qualms about jumping into a group of six or eight Wildcats to get a kill or two ... sometimes more ... sometimes less. The Allied pilots are flying cautiously, fighting as if this really was a war of attrition (in reality, doing their best to not get killed and hopefully getting to clear each other's six and land a few ... even if attrition isn't involved, the motivation is pretty much the same).
As long as the bombers (and fleets/invasion groups) don't push their foes all the way into a corner, this place is a ball. ;)
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Sorry about my ill mannered words. I let my frusteration overcome me and I should not have done so.
This subject comes up every time we have an early war Pacific Theatre setup and we all know it will not be changed. I agree that the Ki-67 should not be in this setup, but as none of us can control that, it is.
Arlo,
I bit your hook big time. May your skies be Ki-67 free.
Kweassa,
I don't know if you actually did squelch me, but if you read this, recall some of the threads in which we bounced ideas back and forth. Everybody gets burnt and frusterated now and then.
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Sorry, Karn ...
Guess I was baitin' ya ... and it's true that some whine over minimal stuff (and I'm refering to the subject of this thread). I just didn't see it as precipitating more. I'll try to keep an open mind and not yell "pot/kettle" and make a stink if I see a post I percieve (I ain't perfect ... course, you know that) as "axis whining." Maybe Brady will try a similar setup sometime without both the 67 and the Boston. Either way, though, it's pretty fun as long as it's give and take there in the middle and the rook base isn't porked and causes timewarps and ocean wormholes. Hehe.
Honestly ... the setup isn't a problem for me. It promotes fun as far as I'm concerned. Even if the dedicated buff drivers destroy and take a base .. or two ... or three .... four at most .... no more .... stop there .... c'mon guys ... where ya at?! Let's stop `em!
p.s. I'm even .... ulp .... tempted to fly some sorties for the emperor when and if the scales stay slanted in the Allies favor 2:1 for too long a time. But only for awhile and until things start to regain parity. After all, I may have an almost uncontrollable desire to paint the zero blue and put stars on it - and I hear tell Tojo frowns on that. ;)
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They actualy dident grab anything, I moved the front so we could see more of the map, and it also shortened up the flight time a bit by moving it to whear the bases were closer together.
On this map it all but imposable to take airfields so I move the front on ocashion for the above reasions.
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Er.. Karnak, I was suggesting you just put Arlo on the ignore list, as have I.
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
The current plane set in the CT is great except for the very out-of-place, way-too-fast Ki-67. The "Peggy" was a 1944-era plane, not 1942. The people who made the Slot map were very smart to include the Ju-88 with Japanese markings, since the Ju-88 is much more representative of the early Japanese bombers the F4F's and P-40's would have faced.
Please don't add the Ju-88, substitute it for the Ki-67.
Anyone agree?
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
The Ju88 would not be terrible if we could limit the payload options to say the bay load-out only since as configured in the game it can carry 20 100 kg (bay) and 4 500kg eggs (wing hard points). The Ju88 carries 2x-6x what any Jap bomber carried. But I did love the 88 in Japanese Livery, it was cool as hell.
In other words, the Ju-88 is tougher, faster (than early Jap bombers) and waaaaay more leathal and useful for bombing than any Jap bomber including the Ki-67 (Ju88 vastly superior in dive bomb to Ki-67). If the Ju88 was included the allies would whine that it was too effective--I for one would be happy to bring me squaddies in there to prove it; likely we could sweep the Nancy-boy allies out in a couple hours with Ju88s. Oh, and I routinely get 2-5 kills in 88s when bombing in the MA against multiple cannon-equipped interceptors. Care to guess how many Mildcats one could kill in a box of Junkers Wunderkinds? I agree entirely with Brady: the Ki-67 is a better surrogate for early Japanese Iron when you look at its effectiveness as a bomber. Its only redeeming feature is that 20mm gun and its speed but it has teh typically poor payload and the fragility that made Japanese planes less effective. The speed can be countered by staying high and diving and the gun is only useful in some attacks. Dive on it and loop under the thing, gut shoot it, you'll blow them to hell and gone. Frontal low attacks also quite effective.
All things being equal, I'd say remove the Ki-67, Boston and the TBM. The matchup that is interesting here is the Zeke vs. F4F and when they have only these to fly folks do in fact take out the Val, Kate and SBD. The Val/Kate vs, SBD matchup is an even one in terms of delivery. Face it, no one does torpedo runs in the CT anyways so it isn't as if the Alllies are losing any real functionality.
You can almost kill a TBM with a Zeke2--almost--but really, I'd love to see a small island setup with no Twin Engined planes just one time.
Just once Brady, really, is that so bad?
Hey when is Greece due out again? Or was that Crete . . . I forget.
Oh, love the map and except for socially, the CT staff is my role model.
Peace out.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Er.. Karnak, I was suggesting you just put Arlo on the ignore list, as have I.
Kweassa is a sensitive type, after all. ;)
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<------------ I just like my new avatar!!!! :D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
<------------ I just like my new avatar!!!! :D
Anyone else think Diablo's bored?
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Originally posted by TW9
its HERE not HEAR
Someone obviously doesn't get it...and how could it not be any clearer I will never know... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Someone obviously doesn't get it...and how could it not be any clearer I will never know... :rolleyes:
"HEIAR"
;)
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One of the problems with any PTO (Pacific Theatre of Operations) is the limited planeset we have.
If there were 5-8 additional IJN and IJAAF, we could balance it out by adding more warbirds to either side. We have plenty USN and USAF fighters for the period but few Japanese (21 vs 7) and half those are pre-42 fighters.
It makes it very hard to balance out the arena with few aircraft. There is only one Japanese bomber, the Ki-67 and it's American counterpart is the Boston. We could of added the Apache, but it's an attack aircraft, doesn't have a bomb sight, and doesn't allow formations.
Given time, Dale and Doug will add more Japanese planes . That will allow us to post more interesting setups.
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Originally posted by Shane
"HEIAR"
;)
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
One of the problems with any PTO (Pacific Theatre of Operations) is the limited planeset we have.
If there were 5-8 additional IJN and IJAAF, we could balance it out by adding more warbirds to either side. We have plenty USN and USAF fighters for the period but few Japanese (21 vs 7) and half those are pre-42 fighters.
It makes it very hard to balance out the arena with few aircraft. There is only one Japanese bomber, the Ki-67 and it's American counterpart is the Boston. We could of added the Apache, but it's an attack aircraft, doesn't have a bomb sight, and doesn't allow formations.
Given time, Dale and Doug will add more Japanese planes . That will allow us to post more interesting setups.
I don't understand. I thought AH1 was done and served, no more additions or patched forthcoming. The Apache? The A-36 single engine plane that the Mustang evolved from? No bomb site? Can't fly in formation? I must be missing something here.
Also bear in mind that the Japanese didn't have a whole lot to choose from during these early years of the war, most of the odd machines and equipment were in Indo/China/Burma, the thinking that the Betty's, Val's, Kates, and Zero's could handle the ANZac/American hardware.
What I really don't get is the amount of whining that every map gets when it's turn to be rotated comes around. Not all plane set are going to match up 50/50 so get used to it. If anything it lets you work on team work skills when you have the disadvantaged plane set. You think O'hare or Thatch had the opportunity to whine about how much better the A6M2 was to the Pentagon? No, they worked on teamwork skills and showed what it could do. I actually look forward to the planesets (when I could get my computer to run AH) that made you fly a little smarter, think a little faster, etc...Now everytime there is a map with a "disadvantage" to one side out come the same old whines from both sides. I say cowboy up, get back in the saddle, and when that map that features the Spitfire comes back around STFU!!!!! :D
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Ouch! Why are so many people being mean to MRPLUTO? :confused:
It didn't take long before people were calling me an idiot and a whiner! :(
Am I an idiot? Perhaps, and if I am you're doing me a favor telling me so I can change my thinking and no longer be one. But I wasn't told why, so I think I'm not an idiot. At least in this matter.
Am I a whiner? Am I guilty of a "myopic Allied whine"? Well, I'm just as likely to fly for either side in the CT, depending on numbers. And, I personally love the Ki-67 "Hiryu / Peggy" and fly it in the MA often. I was just making a suggestion, regardless of how it might or might not benefit me. It's an easy and common tactic to dismiss someone's arguments without examining them by simply claiming that person is arguing in his own self-interest. While there is nothing wrong with arguing on one's own behalf, the facts in this case don't support such a charge.
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Here are some facts, and they are why I said what I did.
Brady: You're right that the Ki-67 is more representative of the G4M2 "Betty" than the Ju-88. The similarities being defensive armament and bombload. The differences being a top speed 334 mph vs. 292-298 mph for G4M2, and the Ki-67's greater durability and self-sealing fuel tanks.
The G4M2 was Japan's most produced twin-engine bomber (2446). The second and third most produced were the Mitsubishi Ki-21 "Sally" (2064) and the Kawasaki Ki-48 "Lily" (1977). Both of these planes are better represented by the Ju-88. Speed and defensive armament are similar. Each had between three and five 7.7 and 12.7mm machine guns. The Ju-88 is more durable, and, as Sakai pointed out above, its bombload is over twice the Japanese planes'. In a scenario you could limit the Ju-88's load to 4 x 250 kg., but in the open CT that would be hard, obviously. Though if anytime Allied pilots saw Ju-88s they could always remind him on chan one to drop any ordnance beyond 4 x 250 kgs. There is some chivalry left in the CT, so it might work sometimes.
The Boston Mk III was deployed in early 1942, though mostly in Europe and North Africa. As far as I can tell, 69 of them served from 1942-1945 with the Royal Australian Air Force in Asia. The Boston was fast for a 1942 bomber...that was one of its strengths. The A6M2 was slow for its time...that was one of its weaknesses. It is a mismatch, but a historical one, so it doesn't bother me too much.
Why is no one complaining about the 1944 model TBM? Probably because it was about 6-7 mph slower than the earlier model from of the addtion of one machine gun and rocket launchers.
The 1943 SBD has a 1,200 hp engine instead of a 1,000 hp, but it's still slow as molassas, so who cares?
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So those are my reasons.
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
Ouch! Why are so many people being mean to MRPLUTO? :confused:
It didn't take long before people were calling me an idiot and a whiner! :(
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I think you are being reasonable in your dialectic Plutosaur, I guess my bottom line is that I don't mind the 88 vs. the Boston but the Allies would simply whine about that. Why not make it 88 vs. B-26--that's much closer in terms of payloads and the 26 is far better defensively equipped, making the tradeoff a reasonable one? Both sides have an uber bomber, so fuggedaboutit
Also, early war . . .why no A-20?
You mentioned the honor system for bomb loads, you might ask guys to fly the Peggy at x manifold, that is as reasonable as asking them to limit their load-out, no?
Also, when did rockets come into widespread use in the US Navy? 1942? I honestly do not know a thing about ordinance (or women, or cars, or airplanes . . .)
Notice though, that the only whining Nancy-boy milk running dweebs are the US guys, so given their obvious proclivity toward dress wearing it is reasonable to assume they will mince and fuss regardless of what bomber the face shooting weinie boys who never have enough of an advantage have to see.
But I digress. Hey! Allow 163s to counter the Peggys!
You know what I mean?
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Sakai
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The Japanese Army Bombers did not see service in the solomons, they were deployed in some numbers during the New Gunie fighting, which was I beleave as close to the slot as they got, so for this set up the comparasions between the Sally and the Lilly are kinda mute, both types did prety much cary the same bombload as the Peggy (prety much all Japanese bombers did) and they are both still better defended than the JU 88 is, not just because of the type (larger caliber) of guns also the posation of the guns, In the case of the Sally she is actualy a Bit faster than the Betty so these two are realy prety close preformance wise.
Nobody is going to mind themselfs and take the lighter load, at least not reliably they arent.
The mismatch does bother me though, thats why we have the Peggy/Boston combo, If we had a Beaufort and a Betty I would gladely use them instead.
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Originally posted by brady
The mismatch does bother me though, thats why we have the Peggy/Boston combo, If we had a Beaufort and a Betty I would gladely use them instead.
If the Boston had a tail gun? The matchup would be very close. Boston better divebomber, better load, Peggy faster and better defended . . .not a bad tradeoff.
Sakai
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"Notice though, that the only whining Nancy-boy milk running dweebs are the US guys, so given their obvious proclivity toward dress wearing it is reasonable to assume they will mince and fuss regardless of what bomber the face shooting weinie boys who never have enough of an advantage have to see. "
Sakai! When did you learn to master sarcasm so well?! :D
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Originally posted by brady
If we had a Beaufort and a Betty I would gladely use them instead.
HT ... model the Buford and the Becky! :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
HT ... model the Buford and the Becky! :D
Oh yeah the SK8TR-B01 Becky, I forgot about that plane! How about the Ki-100 for this setup too while we're at it!!!!! Spitfire anyone? :D
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Kwit beeing sew sarkastik abowt mi powst.
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Pluto I agree
KI67 is way off in this scenario.
IMHO
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Participants have been making excellent points about compatible plane sets every since CT started but, pro or con, isn't it rather significant that this complaint thread keeps going and going like the Energizer bunny?
Maybe it's time to try really limiting plane sets to true historical matchups -- and NO substitutes -- in a couple scenarios.
Wouldn't hurt to try it.
Then see how many, if any, complain about the planes (except maybe to ask for more types).
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It has been tryed, people always complain about somthing:)
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Brady, you seem a tad resistant to any suggestions from players. Why is that? Aside from constant feedback ( whining, general concerns,Batz's crap) what has jaded you from any input at all anymore?
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I am not at all Jaded to input, I consider all input that I take the time to read, and weight it, and determine wheather or not it has any merit, obviously I am prety set in my interpation of the Peggy/Boston isue, which was decided a long time ago and will remain a fixture of any PAC set up I do untill we get a diferent bomber or two to use instead of them, the same whining from the same players each time I run this set up is doing nothing to change my mind, they say prety much the same things each time and prety much ignore what I say each time, so it is aparent neither side is doing much to convince the other side, but that is not at all uncommon.
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mrpluto forgot to close the whine tag plz do so btw typing [/whine] at the end of your post TY!. i had fun ripping allies up with ki67 also used val a bit had no luck in getting kills. i bomb from 5k and head home. they are whining over channel 1 that im running:rolleyes: .so im an attemp to get this f4f below i dive.right in front. get him smoking. he augers. by now 4 chasing me. still complianing im running. they slowly catching up.they kill me over the field. then they start whining i porked there field which i didn't i just got 3 building on town. has CT become Whine Theater?(aka WT) was pretty fun thanks for great setup brady.
skull12
(or no i was taunting them)
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Brady and I get along fine. My "crap" hasnt jaded him. What he wont tell ya I will.
Theres no problem at all provided your planes are better. The tbms and sbds for instance. The fact the boston is much faster then the peggy below 15k and carries a larger bomb. The boston has fixed forward guns that shred zekes.
The peggy is 8 to 10 mph faster then the f4f below 15k. So it cant be speed thats a problem especially when you compare the boston to the a6m2.
It cant be plane toughness as the peggy is easily killed with 50s. Compare that with type 99 mk 1s against the boston.
It cant be bomb load as all Japanese bombers carry about the same load.
So its the guns. Well if the betty was here the guns would be about the same.
So if you think brady is jaded by the "crap" above you are wrong because he agrees.
What may have jaded him is one sided whines that always flow as soons as the poor allied farmboys lose their advantage.
But on top of all that if the bombers give ya trouble then just leave umm alone. If the ack stars have nothing to shoot at they will get bored and leave.
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Ah Batz, in addition to your list, bomb drops are totally inaccurate at full throttle so the F4Fs can easily catch a Peggy in bound for the target and sometimes a Peggy will turn and chase attackers so speed can’t be the problem, maybe the problem is a bomber with teeth.
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I am not at all Jaded to input Good to hear. It wasnt just this set up that I saw you not receptive to some input (or seeming to be) Just making sure. BTW, I dont really mind this set up, just thought it would be intresting to see it with out the 2 evil bombers.
Theres no problem at all provided your planes are better.
I fly both sides except on the dreaded "Squad Night"
What may have jaded him is one sided whines that always flow as soons as the poor allied farmboys lose their advantage. Seems to me you read way too much into what people post. Your "STFU whiner" everytime some "farmboy" posts wore thin long ago. I know. STFU, its my sandbox go away yadda yadda yadda..
Brady and I get along fine Never said otherwise. Although you do seem a bit too protective/possesive of him. No one is trying to steal him from you. :D
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Batz is just saying what, I generaly cant do my position, while I may well feal the same way he does on many issues I am somewhat restricted in how I present my "emotional" takes on things by my position on the staff.
Slash, I only run one set up in 4, so I dont always coment on all the set up's and the threads they generate.
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The set up is to feature the Wildcat and the Zero, I added the P40B since it was not going to upset the equation, the P40E would
Then get rid of everything but the damn wildcat and the A6M2.
Look at last weeks map, advancedment into germany turned into one hell of a backlash due to the Tiger....geeesshhh! I guys are totaly F@!#$% crazy!
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Nah...all we need is a Spitfire. I really nice pink one with targets painted all over it. They burn nicely and the pilots bailing out make oh-so-wonderful targets as well, kind of like dessert after dinner!! Yumm-yumm!!
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I don't know Magee. Nose bounce, now tigers? Lighten up bud and have fun. Didn't you retire?;)
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Originally posted by Swager
Pluto I agree
KI67 is way off in this scenario.
IMHO
You know what would make this scenario fine with the Peggy and Boston?
Don't allow formation flying.
If it was a single plane, zero problemo.
Sakai
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
mrpluto forgot to close the whine tag plz do so btw typing [/whine] at the end of your post TY!. i had fun ripping allies up with ki67 also used val a bit had no luck in getting kills. i bomb from 5k and head home. they are whining over channel 1 that im running:rolleyes: .so im an attemp to get this f4f below i dive.right in front. get him smoking. he augers. by now 4 chasing me. still complianing im running. they slowly catching up.they kill me over the field. then they start whining i porked there field which i didn't i just got 3 building on town. has CT become Whine Theater?(aka WT) was pretty fun thanks for great setup brady.
skull12
(or no i was taunting them)
It is kind of . . . uhhhmmmm . . . remarkable to have the same F4Fs that run form any turn fight with a zeke whine incessantly about the Peggys running from them isn't it? You can't kill Bostons in Zekes or Peggys in Wildcats easily, it's a fair tradeoff.
;-)
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
You know what would make this scenario fine with the Peggy and Boston?
Don't allow formation flying.
If it was a single plane, zero problemo.
Sakai
Without the bomber formations, there's no effective way to quickly remove a CA or DD fleet when it's parked at the end of your runway. otoh, chasing down fighters in Bostons or Peggys will continue to be fun and the only viable targets left will be fuel! Be carefull what you wish for.
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I'm telling Sakai about you posting here using his account, Wotan. :D
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It is kind of . . . uhhhmmmm . . . remarkable to have the same F4Fs that run form any turn fight with a zeke whine incessantly about the Peggys running from them isn't it? Any names on these whiners? Or just the same old baseless "Allied whiner" stuff?
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Where the f*** is Tioga, Texas????
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i even shot down a boston tryin to chase me. well allied whines will all disappear tommorow right?
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Where the f*** is Tioga, Texas???? About 65 miles north of D/FW. Find Denton and look north east near Lake Ray Roberts.
well allied whines will all disappear tommorow right? When is "Allied whine night"? Why do I keep missing out? You "Axis" guys see it every waking second, but I rarely get to enjoy it. Am I out of the club? Arlo?
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Arlo is busy painting my new F4U. He's drunk and I keep having to disconnect the airgun from the LW gray tank to the Navy Blue one.
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hehe:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
It is kind of . . . uhhhmmmm . . . remarkable to have the same F4Fs that run form any turn fight with a zeke whine incessantly about the Peggys running from them isn't it? Any names on these whiners? Or just the same old baseless "Allied whiner" stuff?
LOL
You guys are too funny.
Sakai
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Well?
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the Ki-67 is now a Ju-88!! :)
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Originally posted by Slash27
Well?
That's a deep subject.
Sakai
The basic dynamics of the aircraft indicates that Zekes can't run but Hellcats can. If you're writing a book, I'll be a spy for you and take names, but of all the infantile loads these boards are starting to shoulder, this one isn't making mileage with me yet.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Eagler
the Ki-67 is now a Ju-88!! :)
And it's overmodeled. Really, the 88s in here should be replaced with the Ki-67 to refelct the models in use in Finland at that time.
Sakai
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OMG...what a bunch of whiny pants sissy boys!!!!
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
OMG...what a bunch of whiny pants sissy boys!!!!
There should be a rule about posting signatures that outweigh your text by too much. Say after a factor of 5 you have to cut some down, or get new ones.
Sakai
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Advice taken. Done.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Advice taken. Done.
Spew!
My brother.
Sakai