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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on August 23, 2003, 05:16:39 PM
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there is no decent furballing in pizza
its so spread out and boring
i dont find fighting a lone la7 at 30k while im at 20k in a jug a roaring good time (i won anyway)
its so boring
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Yea and pizza is also the ugliest map by far... :mad:
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Am I the only one that likes pizza? Had a great time today defending a 12k base. It isn't that bad and besides you can always wait until YOU create a new map to be used by the masses.
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pizza suxs
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im hopping kappa will hold another kappa kon 2003 tonight cause it will be like 20 on 20 teams cause of pizzaa map and also did early war aircraft mission today i couldn't see icons causer they blended in with the terrian
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Originally posted by Manedew
pizza suxs
That S is redundant ;)
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Originally posted by Citabria
there is no decent furballing in pizza
That cracker is so old and stale it crumbles if you look at it. :D
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:rolleyes:
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Trouble is with people who like the small maps is that they've become so conditioned to gaming the game. But ask them to try something new, and - they don't want to know, or can't hack it.
Hell, I'm no expert but even I can find action aplenty on the pizza, as this shot shows. (No, they weren't all vulches! - maybe 2 of them were. As I recall, a couple were GVs that got wiped when I blew up their VH)
(http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/p47d2510k.jpg)
I'm not the best pilot on AH - not by any means. But I know where to look. What you won't tend to find on Pizza is the hordes - bad news for anyone who wants to rack up dozens of kills in a 262 cherrypicking spree. The P47 works for me because there's no hordes and because in AH I generally fly alone.
I shot this film (http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/p47d25pizza4k.zip) (1.58MB .ZIP - shot about 2 tours ago) in which I got 4 kills in the P47, and at the time there were only 61 people online. So I really don't buy this crap about the fights being too hard to find or not there at all.
I think the Pizza whines are due, in part, to the altitude. The LA7s hate it, but the Jugs love it! :D Where/when else can you use a Jug to its full potential? OK, maybe defending HQ against unsuspecting buffs. Otherwise, you're likely to run into cons (P51/LA7/Spit ix - ) with a 10K alt advantage by the time you get to 8K.
Lazs will be along soon to castigate me for posting a film. His post will include the words "timid", "sky accountant", "bragging", "K/t or k/d" and "fields closer together".
See, it's OK for the BKs and 13th to mutually backslap, and indulge in threads about how great they are and then post a film to the AH film website about it, but when old Uncle Beet posts a pic or a film just to make a point - nothing more, well, that just won't do, now will it?
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Just posting something so you don't only see the usual suspects posting the usual stuff. Sorry nothing to see here.
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Vulching doesnt count beetle.... ;) And WTF are you doing in a P47, arent you suppsosed to be practing in your Bf109G6? :)
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Give the Yak the perks, he worked them long enough for you to loop, loop, loop, and toodley pip em Beetle.
Good snap shots, but a boring film. Add in the bad cinematography of the puke pizza textures, I give this one a 2 thumbs down. Zoolander was longer, and granted if the Yak wasn’t there, the P51 would have made it just as long, and twice as horrible, and with you only getting only 2 kills and an auger.
Beetle, please. We all find a fight where there is a huge red dar bar. Now go make another film that supports what Im saying.
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Pizza sucs !!!!
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beetle pretending he isn't bragging and rut talking about someone being redundant. perfect pizza thread.
only thing more boring than talking about the pizza map is flying it.
lazs
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Originally posted by beet1e
Trouble is with people who like the small maps is that they've become so conditioned to gaming the game. But ask them to try something new, and - they don't want to know, or can't hack it.
Hell, I'm no expert but even I can find action aplenty on the pizza, as this shot shows. (No, they weren't all vulches! - maybe 2 of them were. As I recall, a couple were GVs that got wiped when I blew up their VH)
(http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/p47d2510k.jpg)
I'm not the best pilot on AH - not by any means. But I know where to look. What you won't tend to find on Pizza is the hordes - bad news for anyone who wants to rack up dozens of kills in a 262 cherrypicking spree. The P47 works for me because there's no hordes and because in AH I generally fly alone.
I shot this film (http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/p47d25pizza4k.zip) (1.58MB .ZIP - shot about 2 tours ago) in which I got 4 kills in the P47, and at the time there were only 61 people online. So I really don't buy this crap about the fights being too hard to find or not there at all.
I think the Pizza whines are due, in part, to the altitude. The LA7s hate it, but the Jugs love it! :D Where/when else can you use a Jug to its full potential? OK, maybe defending HQ against unsuspecting buffs. Otherwise, you're likely to run into cons (P51/LA7/Spit ix - ) with a 10K alt advantage by the time you get to 8K.
Lazs will be along soon to castigate me for posting a film. His post will include the words "timid", "sky accountant", "bragging", "K/t or k/d" and "fields closer together".
See, it's OK for the BKs and 13th to mutually backslap, and indulge in threads about how great they are and then post a film to the AH film website about it, but when old Uncle Beet posts a pic or a film just to make a point - nothing more, well, that just won't do, now will it?
Why don't you leave my squad out of this pissing contest Beetle....Toad and I post as players holding some combined 24 years of online WW2 multiplayer experience...you want to drag anyone through the mud, aim at us.
As to you finding fights at will, your definition of a fight is not the same as mine....you fly carefully and from an advantage...be it from numbers or alt it's not the same fight. I've watched you dive in from above and then zoom away, sometimes out of icon range of a fight...you then return to repeat the above.
Now there is nothing wrong with how you fly, but it's not the same fight that many of us look for. So when you say you don't buy this crap, I could care less what you buy....the fact remains that each map varies significantly as to the type of fight they seem to breed. If you don't buy that, then that's your bag....just don't try telling us that your fight is the fight we should all participate in.
At least we are asking for more of what we like without limiting you in any way...you might try to help out instead of covering the same turf with the same old tired stories.
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle proving people wrong and making a good point on how i'm so hypocritical, and me trying to act like i'm not redundant. perfect pizza thread.
only thing more boring than talking about the pizza map is furballing. i think i'll go strat a while.
lazs
:D
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beetle Ive been landing 12 kill sorties in a jug d11 too but not ussually in furballs like the small maps (sometimes). its so easy to kill the 1 or two cons at a time even when lone wolfing just pick em off they come back or a new one comes along. the mass of friendlies and enemies fighting eachother is missing. its all one sided fights one way or the other or its lonewolf action.
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well put rude and cit.
lazs
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Pizza sux, hate it.
I could up 100% in my pony and fly around looking for pleebs to blast out of the sky, one at a time. Sure I'd land 6-10 kills about every time. BORING
Whether in a pony or my new found pet, FM2, I want to find a fight where I have to track multiple bogies in 3 dimensions. Give me the alt monkey cherry pickers along w/ the grass mowing furballers... en masse!!
Win or lose, there is nothing more exciting for me in the game than to be in the midst of all those cons.
Pizza map does not promote, harldy permits these kinds of fights.
Did have one last night.... til the bish sank the cv :/
Order me a smaller pizza please, with the bases closer together*
I love the game!!!
*Lazs, many times.
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Hey, I just noticed I'm on probation.... cooooool!
I just noticed that some of my posts were deleted in another thread.. Gosh Skuzzy, should I check w/ you before I post anything? I mean, you allow all sorts of country/political bashing, several people were allowed to insult me repeatedly, even threaten violence, that's all ok. The posts you deleted didn't include any profanity or threats, unlike many of those who posted to me, and suffered no such sanction. Ohhhh... ya I get it, you didn't disagree w/ their position. It's ok to insult me and threaten violence, but I dare not respond since my position was an unpopular one. I'll get put on probation whilst those who threatened physical violence(which is a crime) are allowed to continue. I get it now.
The good ol' boy network is alive and well, right here on this board.
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Originally posted by Creamo
I give this one a 2 thumbs down.
Whassup, Creamo - did you just come back from watching "The English Patient"?
Yeah, it was a boring film - mine, not the English Patient. As I said, I posted it to make a point. Only 61 people online on the pizza map - you can't expect a US Prime Time Children's Map Vulchfest - 12 kills in 5 minutes or something like that. But neither is it correct to say that "there are no fights on Pizza". That's all I was trying to show.
Rude said:As to you finding fights at will, your definition of a fight is not the same as mine....you fly carefully and from an advantage...be it from numbers or alt it's not the same fight. I've watched you dive in from above and then zoom away, sometimes out of icon range of a fight...you then return to repeat the above.
Well fair enough, I've seen you in action too. I fly carefully, but I try to stay alive. The last time I saw you, you were co-alt with me. You dived in on 2 Ni1Ks with reckless abandon, and were a smoking wreck in less than 20 seconds. Doing that means that you spend much more time taking off and flying to the target zone - something you guys hate, if your BBS posts are to be believed.
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How do you get on Probation? That's neeeto! I didn't even know you could be on AHBB Probation!
Skuzzy can I be on Probation too? Pleeeeez? :D
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PS Rude - sorry if I hit a raw nerve.
Tumor/Steve. Don't you think you're acting like a couple of arses?
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Tumor, getting on probation is easy. Here's all there is to it:
First, you have to post a pragmatic yet unpopular view on a thread, preferably a thread where emotions run high(easy to find).
Then you have to be the target of much profanity and insults, death threats, and other threats of violence.
While this is going on, you must continue to support your view, in spite of the abuse. Then, even when a few people bravely chime in, supporting the crux of your view, you get put on probation!
A couple of the more interesting threats I received: Steve, I bet you wouldn't talk like that w/ a .45 in your face.
Steve: Die
A handful of numerous assorted other threats of violence as well.
For this, you can be put on probation.
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Before everyone starts shedding tears for poor ol' Steve, that 'unpopular opinion' was that the guy whos cat died was a moron for feeling anything. Repeatedly. He said anyone who loves their pet has emotional problems, and reiterated that it was 'just a cat'.
sniffle... poor steve... I feel the same sympathy for you that I feel for an indignant white supremecist who wonders why people don't like him.
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Toad, i'de show you, but skuzzy locked the thread and deleted most of the juicy stuff steve said.
Guy was mourning his cat, came here lookin for some comfort..
Steve: "It's just a cat,"
So ya.. it gave a whole new meaning to "stir the chit"
That and he stuck around and made oodles more comments that lacked any intelligent thought whatsoever.
Don't start discussing it here, this is a war between beetle and me, and lazs and Toad, with lazs already convinced he's taken over the world.
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Oh, classic avoidance of responsibility:
> post a pragmatic yet unpopular view on a thread
Good so far, you say that you posted it.
> Then you have to be the target of much profanity and insults
You mean.... you were put on probation because other people yelled at you? No, it was probably because you posted a message. Not because other people responded to it.
I wonder if a day passes where you don't utter 'it's not my fault!'
Steve (n) st-^e-v. Definition: See 'victim mentality'.
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I wasn't going to dredge it up but since Chairboy is blatantly lying, I feel obligated.
I never said poor Pfunk was a moron for feeling for his dead pet.
I said I do not understand how one could love a pet as much as a human family member. If you're going to dredge this back up, at least have the integrity to be truthful.
Victim mentality.. oh geez. First, do you deny that the things I wrote in this thread happened? Second, my posts in here were tongue in cheek.. next time I'll put a big flag up that labels it as such so silly goobs like you will see it coming.
As for lackin intelligence... Rut is just another member of those who didn't like my view. I guess i could fire insults in return but I don't see the point.
Now, we can continue this argument since I'm not going to allow you to abuse me unchecked. Or you can drop it... whatever you do chairboy, at least be truthful.
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Please return to the previous subject of this thread, as Rut pointed out. It was one all could enjoy, spectators and participants both!
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Hey... I LOVE MY CAT.
But if my cat died... I'd get a new one. Or not, all that hairball puking litter box stink would be fresh on my mind.
Is this probationable? Is that a word?
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Not a bad map, the color does get to me though.
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Tumor, we could discuss it further but I don't think it would be productive. If Pfunk sees the thread, he'll get upset all over again. I don't understand his depth of grief but that doesn't mean I want to poor more salt in his wounds.
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maybe a long walk on the beach would smooth things over?
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Shane, thanks for the invite. I've always wanted to spend some quality time with you. Please let me know when you're available.
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Originally posted by Shane
maybe a long walk on the beach would smooth things over?
hmmmm.... whats Steve look like?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Whassup, Creamo - did you just come back from watching "The English Patient"?
Yeah, it was a boring film - mine, not the English Patient. As I said, I posted it to make a point. Only 61 people online on the pizza map - you can't expect a US Prime Time Children's Map Vulchfest - 12 kills in 5 minutes or something like that. But neither is it correct to say that "there are no fights on Pizza". That's all I was trying to show.
Rude said: Well fair enough, I've seen you in action too. I fly carefully, but I try to stay alive. The last time I saw you, you were co-alt with me. You dived in on 2 Ni1Ks with reckless abandon, and were a smoking wreck in less than 20 seconds. Doing that means that you spend much more time taking off and flying to the target zone - something you guys hate, if your BBS posts are to be believed.
The phone rang....nice try Beetle
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Originally posted by beet1e
PS Rude - sorry if I hit a raw nerve.
Tumor/Steve. Don't you think you're acting like a couple of arses?
NP
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OK Steve....hand over the shovel, real nice and easy.
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle pretending he isn't bragging and rut talking about someone being redundant. perfect pizza thread.
only thing more boring than talking about the pizza map is flying it.
lazs
It's VERY hard to find a Beetle post that does not feature him tooting his horn about something most people would consider meaningless. The funny part ( to me) is that he thinks people respect him for it.
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Hehe beetle.. notice how they totally avoided the point? That's a sign that they know you're right but don't wanna admit it. ;)
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Toad and I post as players holding some combined 24 years of online WW2 multiplayer experience...
Rude,
Dont take this the wrong way but i think you need some time off from this board...
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Steve - I don't think that's the way to go about getting unbanned.
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Toad, i'de show you, but skuzzy locked the thread and deleted most of the juicy stuff steve said....
Don't start discussing it here, this is a war between beetle and me, and lazs and Toad, with lazs already convinced he's taken over the world.
It obviously escaped your notice, but I haven't posted in this thread until now.
So, if you want to carry on imaginary discussions with someone, press on. You might want to use "Harvey" though.
As far as a "war" with you, I don't think so. You'd have to post something of substance first.
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Originally posted by Toad
It obviously escaped your notice, but I haven't posted in this thread until now.
Well .. when having the same avatar some threads look like the "attack of the clones" when you don't read the handle :)
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Yeah, why actually READ something when you can just look at the pictures and draw erroneous conclusions.
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I don't have any avatar.
and rut... beetle doesn't even fly U.S. times.. he doesn't have any idea about the pizza map as it applies to us. Like you, He doesn't furball. Citabria explained why the map sucks for a lot of us. It is really that simple.
beetle... rut is on your side... think about it. Time to re-evaluate ur position? He is probly the only guy here who spends more time with me in his head than you... and look what it's done to him.
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, why actually READ something when you can just look at the pictures and draw erroneous conclusions.
We are suppose to READ post before answering ?
:D
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Hehe, Rut. I don't need "them" to tell me what's what and what's not on the pizza map, or any other map. :)
Originally posted by lazs2
and rut... beetle doesn't even fly U.S. times.. he doesn't have any idea about the pizza map as it applies to us. Like you, He doesn't furball.
Wrong, on at least two counts.
Last night, I was having such fun on the Pizza that I stayed well past midnight, and into "US Prime Time". And I decided to give the 109G10 a good airing out again - no building battling. - Landed at least three separate 6-kill sorties. Died once or twice.
Yes, some people here hate films. They try to make the person who has posted the film feel awkward by posing accusations of bragging.
But the real reason they don't like films is because their considered views and assessments of other players are exposed as pure drivel. Some people like to assess other players purely by looking at their stats and scores - as meaningless as judging how someone drives by looking at the colour of their car and the condition of the paintwork.
I am not one to shrink in the face of adversity, so guess what? I'm going to post another film. It's here (http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/109g106kpizza.zip). And in that film, should you choose to download it, you will see another Lazs myth dispelled. (Actually not just Lazs, but a couple of others too): That Uncle Beet flies "timid". Well, the second kill came when I got confronted simultaneously by a 190, a 205, and an LA7. Did I turn and run? Nope. Did I bail? Nope. They were higher than me, and I knew I had to engage them to stand half a chance. So I aimed for their low 12 - forcing them into a negative-G situation should they choose to HO me - figured at least one of them would. Sure enough, here comes the LA7... My plan was to pull up for the shot as late as possible, allowing time to unload my own airframe prior to firing. Timing wasn't perfect, and the LA7 blew off half my elevator. So I had to fly the rest of the sortie with half an elevator. Oh the LA7? The smoking wreck drifted down to earth. Another myth dispelled - Uncle Beet doesn't know how to kill LA7s blah blah blah..... timid.. blah blah... sky accountant... blah
I went on to get another five before RTB. One was a vulch. In most of the others, the con tried to pull up to force the vertical HO. What I liked best was being able to remain in the combat area as long as I did. That was made possible by adequate spacing between fields. On the children's maps, there would have been interlopers flying in from a neigbouring field a mere 5 minutes away.
OK, I'm not competing with Twentieth Century Fox for new attainments in the field of cinematography. And I'm not trying to win any Pizza-Pilot-of-the-tour accolades. So don't take the thread off topic by quoting k/t, k/d, kills between shags or any other stat that seeks to show me in the worst possible light.
There's no arguing with a film. It is proof. And I have posted this one to dispel one further myth - that there are "no fights" on the pizza map, a statement that is patently false.
What's a furball? Is there a dictionary definition? I assumed it meant a mix-up of aircraft from opposing sides engaging in air to air combat. Like this picture. I took the picture because I wanted to remember these guys. They were good - worked as a team etc. Looked like a furball to me. But oh! It can't have been! It's the pizza map...
(http://www.alanadsl.legend.yorks.com/furb.jpg)
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Ok, let's rephrase this... It's not that there are "no furballs" on the pizza map it is just that 90% of the time there are no decent furballs. the reason people are frustrated with the map is because it is not only possible, but likely, that you will fly for an hour or two and never find a decent furball. If you do find one then it is gvery likely that someone will ruin it before very long.
all of us get 6 kill sorties from time to time but you seem to show us every single one that you get.... You do it in late war monsters or perk planes during off peak hours for the most part and.... you don't maintain much over a 2/1 KD even at that so.... rather than these big kill sorties being the rule.... they must surely be the exception in long strings of being shot down by every plane you engage. We never see those films tho do we? What do you do with those films?
The pizza map has the highest probability of being boring and lacking any significant action of any map in the set. It really is that simple and most people realize it. To say that " I got a couple of six kill sorties in my G10 so pizza must be action packed" is ludicrous. or... an excuse to pat yourself on the back.... Most of us reading this know that those are the only two choices.
lazs
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Get the urge to play...log onto AH.........get to tower pop up the MAP.............hesitate.then say naw...and log off. It is boring.
Just to much time to find a fight...when ya get there it's over with...then chase fights all day. Yell at me when another MAP comes up Friday.....until then I'm taking a nap :D
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I'm not banned, Dowding.. whacha talkin about?
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"They were higher than me, and I knew I had to engage them to stand half a chance."
Thats the key Beet1e ... had you not been forced in that situation you would have flown the "safe" way. Staying at alt and picking people off and extending long distances when engaged with a possible disadvantage.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Rude,
Dont take this the wrong way but i think you need some time off from this board...
Ya know...I think you're right.
I have decided to not participate in the O'Club any longer as the ridicule of my squadmate has made me so angry that I no longer trust myself with some who post there.
Here, this is different.....folks at least start nice harmless threads and they don't usually go south for 10-15 replies...I can handle this:)
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Lazs
I read your post above, and I can tell you were trying to be nice. :) Have you been practising? Muhahaha - :D
One of the problems you are having is a constant wrangle with the truth. You come out with statements that are patently false, and wonder why events around you fail to make sense. 90% of the time there are no decent furballs. the reason people are frustrated with the map is because it is not only possible, but likely, that you will fly for an hour or two and never find a decent furball. If you do find one then it is very likely that someone will ruin it before very long.
I disagree entirely. I was on for at least five hours last night, and never got bored. I found all the action I wanted in an area to the north of the pizza, and it was non-stop. The risk of someone ruining it before long is greatest on the children’s maps, on which an interloper can take off from a “remote” field, and get to you in five minutes. That’s because the fields are too close together on the children’s maps.
Because I’ve been a meanie in the past on the BBS instead of agreeing with you all the time, your reaction has been to portray me as an unskilled dweeb. OK, if it pleases you, I will accept the mantle of unskilled dweeb. But then you rail on about my k/d being 2/1. The only place where you can find a plane by plane breakdown of k/d by plane is on the stats pages. The score pages do not show this. (Admittedly, the score pages do not seem to tally with the stats pages - so pick whichever one makes me look worse, and use that) Instead, all fighter scores are lumped together, and sorties flown as attack sorties are not taken into account. This has suited your cause to denounce me admirably in the past, because I used to score my jabo sorties separately.
But the reason you can’t understand the score line in my films is because you would rather judge my driving style by the colour of my car than by taking a ride with me. When confronted by raw data and by proof, you then have to twist and turn and look for other ways to put me down in furtherance of your cause. The k/d FACTS for the current tour are these. - 109G10 4.3/1.
- 109F4 7/1
- F4U-1C 8/1
- 190A5 9/1
Been getting better with the G10 since dumping the spud cannon and going back to gondolas – better for angles shots. Yes, I do fly some late war monsters. The 109G10 is good for survivability. You have the luxury of flying as part of a squad. My squadmates got pissed off with AH gameplay and left. So I fly alone a lot and need survivability, but you will never see me in a P51/LA7/Spit ix/YAK9U. You do it in late war monsters or perk planes during off peak hours for the most part
However, the 109F4 and 190A5 are neither late war monsters nor perk planes, so do you have any of your special brand of rhetoric to cover the situation? Unskilled dweeb I may be, but I have to be holding the handle when these planes do their stuff. :D The films are from this week's pizza, but if it suits your cause, feel free to quote unrelated stats from earlier tours - anything you like to show me in the worst possible light. :D
Yet again, you have taken one of my films, and tried to steer the discussion towards personal achievement. My post here is only necessary because you continue to refute the facts and seek to portray me in the worst possible light by quoting misleading, inaccurate, irrelevant and out of date stats. Are you mad at me for not needing a gun? But OK. Tomorrow’s film will be a better one, in which there is a lot of action going on around me. The object is of course to show how wrong you are about inactivity on the pizza map.
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pizza map is more for sneaking up behind and blasting them while they still climbing. pizza map is also good for learning A.C.M right? what ive found about pizza map is you need to have high SA to sucessful right?
skull12
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Entertaining to be sure.
Beet1e
That’s because the fields are too close together on the children’s maps.
Well, you disagree w/ Rude's opinion on the pizza map... I disagree w/ you on the smaller maps. w/ fields closer together , the fights are easier to get to, ergo easier to find in early war planes.
Beet1e
on which an interloper can take off from a “remote” field, and get to you in five minutes
Why wouldn't you want enemies to find you sooner as opposed to later? If it only takes five minutes to find an enemy, one can only surmise that one can get in more fights. More fights means more furballs.
Beet1e, I have no doubt you can find films with good fights on the pizza map. Wuld you like me to start posting an equal number of films where I can't find a good fight?
I dunno about all that K/d stuff. IMHO anyone w/ a K/D of better than 2/1 is doing pretty good. Maybe I'm a noob and have low standards but I don't think anyone that maintains a 2/1 or better should be regarded as an unskilled dweeb
Beet1e:
You come out with statements that are patently false
This is pretty reckless Beet1e. How do you know it is "patently" false? Perhaps in Rude's experinces, he has had great difficulty finding a furball. Maybe you have been more fortunate than him in this regard. In any event, I don't think you should be discounting someone else's life experiences as false.
Beet1e:
So I fly alone a lot and need survivability, but you will never see me in a P51
This is an interesting quote Beet1e. A g10 is faster than a pony where most fights take place, climbs better, and had more lethal guns. Explain to me why you will fly a g10 but not a pony.
Are you mad at me for not needing a gun?
I understand this is a rhetorical question intended to make Rude mad, it was ...well ugh.
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Originally posted by Steve
This is an interesting quote Beet1e. A g10 is faster than a pony where most fights take place, climbs better, and had more lethal guns. Explain to me why you will fly a g10 but not a pony.
because it can't do all the things the 109g10 can? because he might be forced to actually try and turn with it when he gets caught? because a pony rode him when he was younger?
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Originally posted by Toad
It obviously escaped your notice, but I haven't posted in this thread until now.
So, if you want to carry on imaginary discussions with someone, press on. You might want to use "Harvey" though.
As far as a "war" with you, I don't think so. You'd have to post something of substance first.
Well, Toad.. you and lazs don't go anywhere without eachother, being joined at the hip and all.
About posting something of substance.. I'm not one to make the first move. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't have any avatar.
and rut... beetle doesn't even fly U.S. times.. he doesn't have any idea about the pizza map as it applies to us. Like you, He doesn't furball. Citabria explained why the map sucks for a lot of us. It is really that simple.
beetle... rut is on your side... think about it. Time to re-evaluate ur position? He is probly the only guy here who spends more time with me in his head than you... and look what it's done to him.
lazs
I never said i didnt furball, and if i can find a half decent furball on ANY map, i'de fly it. Not climb/vulch wars like the small maps - i find more low fights in pizza and trinity than any other map.
Oh.. and tou're giving yourself too much credit.. I don't spend a fraction of the time thinkin about ya as your mind makes you think i do.
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Sometimes I like to play the Rudel game and attack vehicles. Taking them out of the game is not the answer. Furball only would get boring too. Im adopting a wait and see attitude. Im pretty sure classic AH is where I will be but I will give the new idea a go too.
Cit your getting predictable in your posts. Are you recycling because Ive seen this one before?
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Pizza a good map?? Sure it is.... A good map for my doggy to poop on!!
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Steve,
I don't know whether I should be talking to a probationer, but as Lazs hasn't replied, I'll talk to you. Please understand one thing. This is an interesting thread, and I don't want to see it locked because you've run your mouth. So be careful what you say. Well, you disagree w/ Rude's opinion on the pizza map... I disagree w/ you on the smaller maps. w/ fields closer together , the fights are easier to get to, ergo easier to find in early war planes.
Oh sure. So convincing, coming from someone whose ride of choice is the P51D. Why wouldn't you want enemies to find you sooner as opposed to later? If it only takes five minutes to find an enemy, one can only surmise that one can get in more fights. More fights means more furballs.
I think you know well enough the reason. When a battle is taking place between two fields, and someone is aggrieved at being shot down, he goes and gets an überplane from a field which, on the children's maps might be 5 minutes away from the action, but is not the field from which the battle is being fought. Then he'll come in with a 10K alt advantage, quite possibly in an LA7, and use the fact that the E state of the guy who shot him might be worn down after minutes in the combat area. The pizza map discourages that dweebery in two ways. First, the fields are more than 5 minutes apart which is as it should be. The kidz and the wanktardz don't have the attention span to fly more than 5 minutes to reach the "action". And second, LA7's don't like the high alt conditions to be found on the pizza. Muhahaha! :D Beet1e, I have no doubt you can find films with good fights on the pizza map. Wuld you like me to start posting an equal number of films where I can't find a good fight?
I can't provide negative proof. But I can show that there's plenty of action on the pizza, if you know where to look and don't mind flying there to find it. I think your problem might be the children's map induced attention span deficit syndrome.
You're right about the k/d stuff. It does not belong in this thread. I had to include mine as a rebuttal to Lazs's horse crap.
As for my statement "You come out with statements that are patently false", that was addressed to Lazs, not Rude. But OK, if anyone has difficulty finding fights on the pizza map, he should say that. But instead, some folks state, quite categorically, that "there are no fights on the pizza map". And as my films amply demonstrate, that is patently false. This is an interesting quote Beet1e. A g10 is faster than a pony where most fights take place, climbs better, and had more lethal guns. Explain to me why you will fly a g10 but not a pony.
It's an individuality thing. The person who could explain that to you best can be seen driving the Lotus 7 in my avatar pic. The hordz fly the P51D. I won't insult you by saying what I think the D stands for as it's your favourite plane. But it's not much of a challenge IMO. I used to fly it in AH, but it made me feel like I was clubbing seals. The 109G10 is much more of a challenge - doesn't roll or turn as well as the pony, and has a sluggish elevator which stops responding altogether if you do much more than 400mph. It's much harder to get results in the G10, especially with the spud cannon. You have to close to less than 300 yards, and not spray from 800 yards. I don't want to turn this into a Lazs-style k/d-k/t pissing contest, but I notice you have an excellent k/d of better than 20/1 in the P51D. But in other planes you don't do nearly as well. Indeed, the only other plane in which you get better than 4/1 is the F6F at 7½/1. I think that proves my point. QED, I should say. :D But the G10 armament is only more lethal than the P51 if the spud cannon is used (very difficult weapon to master) or gondolas, which impair performance and might make the G10 perform less well than the P51.
The gun question was directed at Lazs, not Rude, and I think you know this. ;)
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So you explain your obvious mistake with another mistake?
And I see you don't make the first move.. in fact, you don't make the 607th either.
I have a solution however. :D
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beetle... I don't know why you make patently false statements but i think that you might belive them and that is why you see the arena so much differently than most folks. It is indeed harder to find a decent furball on the pizza map.. one only has to watch the text buffer to se how slowly kill messages appear on pizza compared to the other maps. I find it hard to believe that yu don't notice that.
I never said you were a rank skilless dweeb... you are not being truthful again... I said that despite all your bragging and posting of only your very best sorties..... you are, like me.... mediocre... perhaps even a little more mediocre than me and much more timid. Slapshot points out how clueless you are about furballs in the fact that you panicked when people were above yu.... you HAD to attack... for me and other furballers.... haveing planes above us is no big deal... the hard part is getting em to come down so we can kill em.
you want to point out that you are doing better than your stats show.... you are... everyone is because everyone skews their K/D with deaths agains GV's, fluffs, ack etc. You want to compare apples to oranges..
you don't like furballs... it boils down to.... those who don't do furballs or like em think that there are plenty of furballs in pizza... those who like furballs and do em.... think that pizza is the worst.
I bet if HTC posted stats for each map on kills per hour that pizza would be the worst by a large margin.
lazs
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It all boils down to this....
I don't have the level of respect for those who are cherry pickers...if you're having fun cherry picking then I'm happy for you, just don't expect some of us to respect what you do.
Ya see, furballers like myself or Lazs, Levi, Shane, WT and a host of others can kill and survive against lopside odds and other disadvantages and also can cherry pick, jabo, buffdrive, float in boats, etc.
The cherry pickers game is one dimensional....as long as you have the advantage, you can experience success....that is unless you fight one of the multi-skilled furballers, in which case your arse will be handed to you.
So, don't feel bad and please stop being so defensive...I too, could at one time only handle fights my way....now, being a superior pilot has brought a form of loneliness...you know...being at the top kinda thing.
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"I think you know well enough the reason. When a battle is taking place between two fields, and someone is aggrieved at being shot down, he goes and gets an überplane from a field which, on the children's maps might be 5 minutes away from the action, but is not the field from which the battle is being fought. Then he'll come in with a 10K alt advantage, quite possibly in an LA7, and use the fact that the E state of the guy who shot him might be worn down after minutes in the combat area. The pizza map discourages that dweebery in two ways. First, the fields are more than 5 minutes apart which is as it should be. The kidz and the wanktardz don't have the attention span to fly more than 5 minutes to reach the "action". And second, LA7's don't like the high alt conditions to be found on the pizza. Muhahaha!"
Come on beet1e ... who are you trying to kid here.
If I shoot down someone in an F6F with my Spit V in a furball, he will be hard pressed to return to the furball and single me out in his now "late war" ride. Even if he did, he would never get a good angle on my unless he brings 3 or more of this "late war" buddies along with him.
When it comes to the La-7 ... I fart in its direction. La-7s only worry those who choose to run and not fight. The runners, timid flyers, and those who only BnZ are the ones that lament and lose hair over the La-7s existence. They can't hit-and-run with impunity when the La-7 is around and that pisses them off. On the other hand, La-7s run from the Spit V.
As for Steve, I have seen him lately strapping on the FM2 and doing a damn good job in it ... I <> him for that. Mr. BnZ himself, down in the weeds mixin it up and I'll bet he is having a blast. He is following the path of the 13th TAS who were utlimate BnZers and are now probably one of the best "weed wackin" squads out there.
Try the Spit V or the FM-2 for awhile (more than a week) Beet1e ... you will see this game from a completely different aspect.
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Three posts since my last one, all of which seem to be criticising the way I play this game. What happened to "freedom", and the "it's my $14.95" movement? Funny how certain people seize on those old mantra - when it suits... :D
beetle... I don't know why you make patently false statements but i think that you might belive them and that is why you see the arena so much differently than most folks. It is indeed harder to find a decent furball on the pizza map.. one only has to watch the text buffer to se how slowly kill messages appear on pizza compared to the other maps. I find it hard to believe that yu don't notice that.
Well Lazs, it's easy. Unlike you, I don't make a direct correlation between "lotz of killz" and quality gameplay. As I said in another thread, the last time I was online for a map change, I saw some worthy battles going on (Trinity I think). As soon as the arena came back up with the children's maps, it was right back to the kiddie pie throwing contest, pork-n-auger, suicide fuel pork, suicide CV crap. I logged off immediately. I don't see that hordes of TYPHs augering into the ack and maybe taking a ping or two from the FG or waiting GVs makes for the kind of game I want, even though it floods the text buffer with "lotz of killz". By the way, I've only seen one field this week porked back to 25% fuel.
No I didn't panic when I saw the higher LA7, 190 and 205. I flew straight to them with a plan of attack which worked. I killed the LA7 and later killed the 190. Of course, were you to have viewed the film, you would know that. But no. It suits you far better to sit there in your silk blindfold, reiterating the old refrain: "Don't blind me with the facts. I know what I'm talking about." So you enjoy yourself. You have your makebelieve, I have my facts/films. We're both happy. It's a win-win. :D
Hello, Rude! :) I thought you'd complied with my earlier instruction to piss off! LOL, ! Welcome back! Ya see, furballers like myself or Lazs, Levi, Shane, WT and a host of others can kill and survive against lopside odds and other disadvantages and also can cherry pick, jabo, buffdrive, float in boats, etc.
Oh the name dropping. Oh the hero worship... Yeah, right. Last time I saw you dive on two N1Ks, you didn't last long. But hey, this is off topic. This thread is about finding fights on the pizza map. I have done what I can to show that it's BS to say that there are "no fights" on the pizza. If you guys want to digress into topics like flying styles, stats/scores, cherrypicking etc., that's up to you. But I'm trying to stay on topic from now on, especially as this thread is almost done. And the fact is that there ARE fights to be found on the pizza map, much to the chagrin of the bananas who can't find them.
Sure, if I have an energy advantage in a 109, I'm going to use it. What do you expect me to do? Kill a con, then throttle back and drop flaps at 1K while whistling a happy tune? Your techniques might work in the FM2, but I prefer to fly the energy fighters. Always have, right since 1998. Admittedly, there are times when I feel that I might be seal clubbing. That's why I never fly the P51 any more. And that's why I changed down a couple of gears to the 109G2 the other night. But flying planes like that in low turnfights would be plain daft, so don't pretend to suggest otherwise. At least I fly planes that are a challenge, and not the overused subset of P51/LA7/Spit9 etc. Now the 109F4 in a low turnfight - that I will consider... ;)
Slapshot - not sure if something got lost in the translation about how I handled that LA7, but to me it sounded like you thought I did the right thing. But you disagreed with what I said about the cherrypicker coming back from a different field in a better plane than he was in before. But it's no BS. There's even a thread on here in which a guy admits to doing exactly that - came at me in an LA7 from a different field after my F4U had shot down his 109.
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Beetle....I told ya before re: the two Niki's....the phone rang.:)
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Beet1e ... your idea/definition of a "fight" is no where near what we call a "fight" and thats the real dividing point in this discussion/thread.
Rude and his doods were masters of E fighting. They know all too well what you are describing as a "fight", so when Rude disagrees that he can't find a "fight", its not the fight that you embrace.
High energy E fights are not what we are looking for. We don't want bases farther apart so that we can climb up on a high perch and pick off the unsuspecting or already engaged bogie.
If I get above 6000 ft AGL I start to freak out and my nose starts to bleed. Lazs, Rude, and the other pilots that we "worship" very rarely get above 5-6 K. Anything and everything we want to do is all done within that airspace, so there is no need for us to see bases 1 to 1.5 sectors apart.
The 13th TAS took the leap when the FM2 was released, they grabbed that 'ole weed wacker and haven't looked back since. Occasionally you will see those dweebs in a Pony, but for the most part they are flying early war planes that can't run and are forced to fight 1 vs 1 or 1 vs X.
Again, grab one of the early war weed wackers (FM2, P40, Spit V, C202, Hurri-C to name a few) and spend a week or two below 6K and then come back and tell us you are finding all sorts of fights (and film some of them 6 kill sorties too).
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beetle... no hero worship here at all... what yu are seeing is people who understand your style from a lot of personal experiance and obsevation telling you that.... well.... you don't really know what yu are talking about... As for me....
I claim no skill.. I have a blast... the guys like slap may talk about me because... they see me... they are doing the same as me. they see me all the time and they see how I fly. Sometmes I do fair. I see a lot of the same guys... 13th guys, slap, mars, wadke BK's swagger etc etc.... they are all probly better at this than I am but I sure enjoy their company... with the boring maps I don't get to fly with/against these guys... We laugh and joke on 1 and kid each other and, actually do, steal kills from each other... we shoot cons off each other and all those guys get multiple kills when they are the lowest plane in the fur and have a 3/1 dissadvantage. So yeah....
given all that....your bragging is kinda annoying . It's like rut acting like he understands..... anything.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Beet1e ... your idea/definition of a "fight" is no where near what we call a "fight" and thats the real dividing point in this discussion/thread.
Slap - thank you for this explanation. Unfortunately, it has come too late in the thread to carry any significant weight, in light of what has gone before.
The "no fights on the pizza map" argument/whine has undergone a metamorphosis. It became "no fights on the pizza map that I can find", then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find and that I like", then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find and that I like and that involve early war planes" and then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find, that I like, that involve early war planes not exceeding 6K".
Just as I thought, there's an agenda at work here. Well that's hardly surprising, given the squad affiliation of the most vociferous posters...
What does kind of surprise me is that most of the BKs and TAS, with the important exception of Apache, are opposed to an RPS. And yet an RPS would give these guys just what they are looking for - an arena in which their T&B furballing skills could be deployed to the fullest extent.
Lazs,
beetle... no hero worship here at all... what yu are seeing is people who understand your style from a lot of personal experiance and obsevation telling you that.... well.... you don't really know what yu are talking about... As for me....
Stop being a salamander. You don't know what I'm talking about because it doesn't fit in with your erroneous beliefs, and your limited vision as a result of the silk blindfold you wear.
Just to spell it out, I have done two things in this thread - - Totally refuted the mistaken belief that there are "no fights" on the pizza map.
- Provided film evidence to substantiate my claims.
It really is that simple, so if you still don't understand it, maybe it's not Rutilant's powers of comprehension that are in question. Maybe it's yours.
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Beet1e, thank you for that heartwarming opening in your response to me.
Beet1e:
Oh sure. So convincing, coming from someone whose ride of choice is the P51D.
Actually, I have almost twice as many sorties this tour in the FM2 and spitV as I do in a pony. Additionally, since I'm too lazy to climb past 10 or 12k AGL, I frequently engage higher fighters in my pony. In fact, I was with you near the deck over an enemy base the other day, high bogies kept coming in.... even a 262. Don't know if you remember, but I stuck around and fought both the uppers and the high guys..in all likelihood these were guys that we had killed, and were returning high for a measure of revenge.
Beet1e:
Then he'll come in with a 10K alt advantage, quite possibly in an LA7, and use the fact that the E state
While I agree this is a crappy thing to do, he may have been in an la7 in the first place. I don't mind fighting guys w/ more E, I've learned that most people really don't know how to really make use of an advantageous E state.
You're right about the k/d stuff. It does not belong in this thread.
I notice you have an excellent k/d of better than 20/1 in the P51D. But in other planes you don't do nearly as well. Indeed, the only other plane in which you get better than 4/1 is the F6F at 7½/1
*sigh*
Well I will address my K/D since you brought it up. Except when I forgot to press the attack buttion, my fighter stats are for the pony, and the attack stats are for the rest. You once complained that others were misrepresenting your K/D. well here you are doing the EXACT same thing to me. What you don't know about my stats other than the pony is that for the last couple tours in the spitV and FM2 I have been "fightin anywhere, any time". This includes often upping at vulched fields, fighting multiple high bad guys etc. In fact, I'll look for a friendly base w/a large enemy darbar in the sector so I know I'll get instant action. Frequently this means I'm fighting from the time I press "go". I'm doing this for fun and to learn these two planes. so you're tright my K/d isn't that great., but I'm learning and having a ton of fun at the same time.
as for my pony stats I say this to you: You claim that flying a pony is like:
But it's not much of a challenge IMO. I used to fly it in AH, but it made me feel like I was clubbing seals
Tell you what., I'll lay down the gauntlet for you or anyone who cares to take it up: Fly a pony for a tour, maintain a k/d of as little as 10/1, say a K/S of 4 or better, and a K/T of 9 or better; then tell me it is like clubbing baby seals. Save the excuses about how it's boring or you don't want to but until you've done it, you really cannot be critical of the plane or me. By the way, since you've chosen to bring up stats: On your best tour in a pony, you almost reached a k/d of 4/1. You almost reached a K/T of 5 once. In other words, you definitely weren't getting the best of what a pony can offer as far as fighting goes. This is typical of people who bag on the pony. My K/T is typically double or triple what yours was in the pony, indicating I fly it much differently than you did. Walk in my shoes, get my results, then talk about seals.
Edit: Beet1e, considering the less than friendly tone of this thread I think I need to clarify: My comparison of your stats and mine is not a comparsion of skills but rather of fighting style. What I mean is, one can "club baby seals" in any plane. Do what it takes to get your K/T close to 10 in a pony and I think you'll see that it isn't quite the "gimme" as many folk make it out to be.
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So, if you want to carry on imaginary discussions with someone, press on. You might want to use "Harvey" though.
I want a show of hands! Who understands Toad's "Harvey" reference?
Toad, have you ever noticed how Lazs' nose twitches like a bunny when he sees an opportunity to "Seagull?" (flying over objects and crapping on them.)
curly
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:::raises hand:::
Invisible rabbit
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Originally posted by Steve
:::raises hand:::
Invisible rabbit
Damn, Steve. :) You're an old fart too. :)
curly
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What does kind of surprise me is that most of the BKs and TAS, with the important exception of Apache, are opposed to an RPS. And yet an RPS would give these guys just what they are looking for - an arena in which their T&B furballing skills could be deployed to the fullest extent.
I have always supported the RPS....do the work Beetle...check the RPS threads for the truth of the matter.
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"The "no fights on the pizza map" argument/whine has undergone a metamorphosis. It became "no fights on the pizza map that I can find", then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find and that I like", then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find and that I like and that involve early war planes" and then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find, that I like, that involve early war planes not exceeding 6K".
The metamorphosis is due to your self-imposed myopic interpretation of "no fights on the pizza map". You, myself, and anybody else that flys on AKDESERT or any MA map knows that there is never a situation where there aren't any ("NO") fights going on. It's just you who chooses to take the literal statement and make an argument out of it.
You really prove nothing other other than you like a spirited argument and have found other posters to "BBS Furball" with.
I have fired the bullet twice at you and you have dodged it both times ... fly just early war in the weeds for 1 to 2 weeks and then come back and tell us your experiences.
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always liked Jimmy Stewart
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BTW Slapper, ty for getting my back... even if you were on it at least twice the other night "Slapshot has shot your slow arse down, you have been killed again, dummy."
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Steve -
Beet1e, thank you for that heartwarming opening in your response to me.
LOL
Well I will address my K/D since you brought it up. Except when I forgot to press the attack buttion, my fighter stats are for the pony, and the attack stats are for the rest. You once complained that others were misrepresenting your K/D. well here you are doing the EXACT same thing to me. What you don't know about my stats other than the pony is that for the last couple tours in the spitV and FM2 I have been "fightin anywhere, any time". This includes often upping at vulched fields, fighting multiple high bad guys etc. In fact, I'll look for a friendly base w/a large enemy darbar in the sector so I know I'll get instant action. Frequently this means I'm fighting from the time I press "go". I'm doing this for fun and to learn these two planes. so you're tright my K/d isn't that great., but I'm learning and having a ton of fun at the same time.
Erm... no. The score pages show a breakdown by fighter and attack sorties. But I was not looking at that. I was looking at your stats page, which amalgamates fighter and attack sorties into one stat for each plane type. It makes no difference how you score it. So what I said still stands. You have learned to run with your P51D crutch, and if that's what you want, more power to you! :) Try learning some new planes, and getting better than 8/1 in those.
Steve, k/t means bugger all. It depends on many things, and is more a measure of how busy you are, not how good you are. In Euro hours, there may be fewer than 100 people online. In "US Prime Time", the attendance rises to 500 or more. Don't try to tell me that this has no bearing on k/t.
Anyhow, all this stats crap is way off topic. I only put mine here to repudiate Lazs's horse crap.
Slapper I have fired the bullet twice at you and you have dodged it both times ... fly just early war in the weeds for 1 to 2 weeks and then come back and tell us your experiences.
Why should I? What bearing does that have upon whether or not there are fights to be found on the pizza map? That, after all, is the subject of this thread - boring pizza. I'm here to show that it isn't boring, and there is plenty of combat to be found.
So the lot of you - stop picking at personal stats, scores, plane types, scoring methods, k/t, k/d, - the whole damn pissing contest. Cit said that it was too spread out and boring, with no decent furballs. All I did was disagree, and produce film to substantiate my point of view.
It's really quite simple to stay on topic. In fact it's easier than finding a decent fight on the pizza map. :D:D
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As beet1e dodges the bullet again ... we must now call you "NEO".
"Why should I? What bearing does that have upon whether or not there are fights to be found on the pizza map? That, after all, is the subject of this thread - boring pizza. I'm here to show that it isn't boring, and there is plenty of combat to be found.
Why shouldn't you ? ... you can't tell where we are coming from until you have been there ... we all have been where you are at ... why don't you do the same.
You haven't show us anything ... what is not boring or exciting to you is incredibly boring or not exciting to us. Your definition of a "fight" is not anywhere near what we define as a "fight". Until you get down in the weeds, you have no ground to stand on and preach the "fight".
Get down in the weeds or are you ... ummm ... chicken ? ;)
Steve ... I LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT (get it ... seconds) ... LOL ... payback is a biatch ;)
On the other hand, once you have spent more time in the weeds, you will become one of the most dangerous pilots in AH and then payback WILL be a biatch.
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Beet1e:
Try learning some new planes, and getting better than 8/1 in those.
OK, pick one for me.
Beet1e:
Steve, k/t means bugger all.
Beet1e, let's just agree to disagree. I personally feel that K/T is a good indication of aggressiveness. I do agree w/ you however that K/T can be effected some by the less #'s of bodies in the arena during your prime time. However, you've stated that you have no trouble finding fights, which means your k/t should be fine......which is it?
Run w/ my P51 crutch.. lol it's slower than your plane of choice.. ironic you should try to say something like that.
Tell ya what, maintain my K/D with just half my K/T in the pony.
Do that even and I'll allow that your words on the pony and myself have some credibility.
How can you possibly call me a runner when my numbers eclipse yours by such a huge number? I'm killing twice as many planes per hour as you... if I'm a runner... what are you? You have rarely fought me. In fact, you've NEVER killed me in the air....NEVER. Why are we having this discussion, you have NO idea how I fly, lol.
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look back on topic... its this simple:
pizza and all the large maps make AH feel like a 32 player game as there is never more than this on both sides in one spot
worse yet there is ussually a large imbalance in sides with often 2-3 vs 20 or 11 vs 2 or worse 30 vs 3
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and odds like that make it boring for either side. I avoid fights where its nothign but green and no red because there is no action. I will fight a red solid bar on occasion but it takes a fast plane like a 262 or a large altitude advantage
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Beetle knows all, thus he has stopped learning.
He tells me of his style which I was flying 10 years ago....he tells me about my fights, yet he never participates....he posts one film of what he calls a good furball and tells us we don't know what we speak of.
Beetle(slap)...snap out of it man!!! Stop kidding yourself!!! :)
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Originally posted by Citabria
and odds like that make it boring for either side. I avoid fights where its nothign but green and no red because there is no action. I will fight a red solid bar on occasion but it takes a fast plane like a 262 or a large altitude advantage
I saw a fight of sixty rooks versus thirty bishops last a good thirty minutes today. Rooks showed two sectors of solid red for at least that long before moving on. Maybe you could reset the map if you got smart and spread out? At least you support beet1es approach with your comment about 262s and altitude advantage.
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Hmmm, setting the big war of words aside, I kinda like the pizza map (OK so I'm weird) but, I HAVE flown 100% fuel out of a G10 on a US late afternoon (CST) and not even seen an enemy dot. I flew over 2 enemy bases and did a glider landing at a friendly field that I went to cause i thought it was under attack. They were all dead by the time I got there :(
I think the furball argument has merit, but there are sometimes good fights to be had without a furball. They are just hard to find.
But the absolute worst is when I fly around and find the darbar disappear and then being on the very dregs of my fuel, I find a fight with 1 or 2 guys who proceed to ping me and watch me glide to the ground after a couple of passes. This seems to happen to me most often on the pizza map.
So anyway...whats the answer?
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Same answer that made Trinity better. Move the fields closer together, either by making some V fields into A fields, add some A fields and/or CV's or by physically moving the fields in a bit.
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... no hero worship here at all... what yu are seeing is people who understand your style from a lot of personal experiance and obsevation telling you that.... well.... you don't really know what yu are talking about... As for me....
I claim no skill.. I have a blast... the guys like slap may talk about me because... they see me... they are doing the same as me. they see me all the time and they see how I fly. Sometmes I do fair. I see a lot of the same guys... 13th guys, slap, mars, wadke BK's swagger etc etc.... they are all probly better at this than I am but I sure enjoy their company... with the boring maps I don't get to fly with/against these guys... We laugh and joke on 1 and kid each other and, actually do, steal kills from each other... we shoot cons off each other and all those guys get multiple kills when they are the lowest plane in the fur and have a 3/1 dissadvantage. So yeah....
given all that....your bragging is kinda annoying . It's like rut acting like he understands..... anything.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
I've tried logic on you - many times. So i'll start that game.. You ignorant elitist hypocritical bigot.
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Slapshot/Rude et al. OK, now I get it. You're talking about weed-wacking being the only "real" fights, and you want me to do some time in a weed-wacker of my own. Well I'd like to see you guys wacking off in the weeds, but it wouldn't work for me, and here's why. I have no squad. My squad was a buff squad and the guys in it became disillusioned with gameplay for them, cancelled their accounts and left. You guys, however, often post about various squad events, and about what a "blast" you had on such and such night. I have even seen posts about joint TAS and BK ops, and there is much uniformity with the avatars etc., and it's patently obvious that you fly as a sizeable and well coordinated group. Fine - I'm happy for you.
I, on the other hand, have a very different set of problems to deal with. I fly alone. I take off alone, go to a base where I think the "action" might be, with no intelligence report... I have no idea who else will be there when I get there, and no idea of the number, alt, and types of planes that will be there when I get there. So I just assume P51/LA7/Spit ix/YAK9U (also N1K but that's no real threat), and that works for me. In the fighting that follows, there will be almost NO voxx communication, NO 6-calls, NO real coordination, and absolutely no way I could survive in a FM2 or Spit V at 6K, or down in the weeds, especially with no voxx and no other communication. You have to remember that in the hours that I play, many of the guys online do not speak English. Some do speak English, but it's not always their first language. Also, the arena is not without its tardz.
I envy you guys that can team up. Believe me, it makes a world of difference. In my last days at Brand-W, I used to team with the Scanian Griffins in 190A4s -rudu- (great leader) and -sach- (possibly best wing man in the game). And my results would skyrocket. Key ingregients: Well not skill, obviously, as I have none, as Lazs has pointed out. But organisation, communication and coordination. Didn't need many of us - just three or four, and we could really clean up.
That is why I won't be jumping in any slow planes and hovering in the weeds at 6K. But you have a point, and I hate having to use uberity. (But what's a guy to do, on his own, against an arena full of late war monsters?) That is why I've been trying the lesser 109s lately, the F4 and G2. That might seem to be no challenge to you, but it is for me. I found the 109s the hardest planes to learn, and was possibly the worst 109 pilot known to Brand-W, until BBGun started helping me. Of course, were we to have an RPS as Rude and Apache would like, that would change matters entirely.
But let's reverse things a moment, Slapshot. You take the role you have in mind for me. Get up in a Spit V during Euro hours, on your own, fly to where you think the action is, at 6K, and see how long you last. See how many 6-kill sorties you get. And film it. And then we'll have something to talk about.
Steve! OK, for your next plane, would you be happy to choose the 109E?
Of course k/t is determined by other factors. That's why I have to listen to all your freaking whines about the pizza map, fields too far apart, "no fights"... I also note that some of you guys are disdainful of landing sorties, and simply auger rather than waste time RTB, thus boosting k/t. Besides, in previous tours I have been a jabo pilot (ranked at 3 or 4 in the damage stakes one time, would you believe) so I'm not looking for k/t on those flights, but looking to lay my eggs and then convert the sortie into a fighter sortie. Of course, I'd be wasting my virtual breath discussing that in the company of fighter jocks who see no point to field capture, so let's move on.
Run w/ my P51 crutch.. lol it's slower than your plane of choice.. ironic you should try to say something like that.
Hehe, well your plane of choice turns and rolls better! Besides, I have flown a veriety of types in this tour. My favourites these days are 109 (G10,G2,F4), P47D25, F4U(1D and 1C) F6F and 190A5. Just confirm which is my plane of choice? I don't fly any of the above as exclusively as you fly your Pony. By the way, what kind of 6K weed-wacking results do you get in that? But you're right. I have never killed you in the air. Hardly likely to happen when we're on the same side.
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beetle... you have intentionally missunderstood and then claim victory when you defeat your own statement.. People are claiming that there are no decent fights on the pizza map most of the time. Sometimes you can go all night without a decent fur.
As for flying in groups... yeah... sometimes 2 or 4 of us are on at a time... sometimes we even are in the same area at the same time. that is where you, again, don't understand cause you have no experiance... in the weeds furballs at close fields don't involve wingmen. I "wing" with slap or mars or swagger or wadke or any of a number of others as much as I "wing" with Apache or the other BK's... mostly when I need help they are out of range... RTB'ing or just getting to the fight. I shoot more bad guys off other furballers than I do my own squaddies. When you furball you are never alone. Maybe you wouldn't be so lonely if you furballed a little?
blknt... the answer is as toad says... change some (most of) the vehicle fields into airfields. in effect... move the fields closer together... unless you want to continue to be caught with allmost empty tanks a sector and a half away from any friendly base.
Bring back the ability to land at an enemy field. Hey... it's deserted... why not?
Harvey.. yeah, James Stewart.
geeze rut... good thing that I am shallow and insensitive.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Toad
Same answer that made Trinity better. Move the fields closer together, either by making some V fields into A fields, add some A fields and/or CV's or by physically moving the fields in a bit.
Yeah, I know, but thats been hashed over and over. What ya need is a furballers support group. ;) Just start your own furball by mutual consent in some out of the way (or even in the way) spot on the big maps by calling it out on 1. Or is that not possible? I know I dont have an answer, I like to do all aspects of the game (well not bombing so much) and I can get shot down pretty quick no what I am doing, usually. I have had fun in furballs, but usually dont last very long.
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Since NB upgraded Trinity with more CV's, more Airfields and fewer V-fields have you seen any complaint threads about Trinity?
See anyone complaining that the fields are too close?
I haven't. What we've seen is essentially NO complaints and many compliments.
Go figure.
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Lazs - nothing worthy of further comment that hasn't already been said 500 times.
Funny how the very guys whining about the pizza map and/or telling me that the "real action" is all about flying slow planes in the weeds get the majority of their kills in late war monsters. - Steve has hundreds of kills in his P51D which he flies far more than anything else.
- Rude has more than 80 kills in a P51D - his second highest total for any plane.
- Slapshot has 72 kills in an LA7 - his second highest total for any plane.
- Fester has racked up almost 200 kills in the 262, and plenty more in the P51D.
But what's even funnier is the fingerbob redefinition of what constitutes a fight. No longer does a dogfight between two or more aircraft count as a fight. Seems the new definition is combat occurring below 6K in a slow plane, on certain fingerbob approved maps, at designated times - after midnight in Europe.
Boys, I accept that you don't like the pizza map. Why not just say that, and leave it there? No need to say that there are "no fights", or at least no fights within the parlance of the fingerbob definition of "fight", and no furballs, ie. no lazs-approved furballs - I have no dictionary definition.
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I've posted a few on trinity.. not about field distance, the field distance matters not to me...eee. The only complaining beforehand was about the mountain size and field distance - but that was only by Toad, lazs, and the usual distance whiners
Originally posted by lazs2
geeze rut... good thing that I am shallow and insensitive.
Badoom-tish.
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ah, yes trinity. good map.
I wonder (and I know its been asked for before) if they made it so each country had a slice on pizza at the start would help? instead of a piece on eash slice. Less fronts and all. Less spread out. Wouldn't change flying times, but might force more players into an area.
Question: do you guys prefer a small furball (5-10 per side) or the big ones (20-30 per side)? Myself I prefer the smaller ones, probably because of framerate issues (well ok and lack of skill) the big ones tend to see me die quickly with 1 or no kills.
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Big huge massive things they are.. I'm picky, ya know. I dislike small furballs, unless they're gifts from my cat.. I dislike all sizes of that typo.. but better small than large.. blech
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
I wonder (and I know its been asked for before) if they made it so each country had a slice on pizza at the start would help? instead of a piece on eash slice. Less fronts and all. Less spread out. Wouldn't change flying times, but might force more players into an area.
Personally, I think it makes a difference. Only from the point where anyone tries to put together some kind of cohesive offense or defense. Basically, each country starts with 6 fronts and they are scattered all over the map. This is a big part of what makes the Desert a milkrunners paradise :).
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109E? does that thing even have guns? lol
I also note that some of you guys are disdainful of landing sorties, and simply auger rather than waste time RTB, thus boosting k/t
Ya, it's very true that augering has its upside as K/T is concerned. However, in my case, we know that I do not partake of this act. :)
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Bee1e:
Boys, I accept that you don't like the pizza map. Why not just say that, and leave it there?
Ok, I don't like the pizza map.......................... ....(leaving it at that)
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lolo man some of you are studmuffinss..wake up ..get a life
i like the map...sometimes its slow...when not alot of people on...
but if you find a quality player all you need is 1 nme...
waaaaaa
waaa fester you suk if you arent sttik stirrn..:)
only thing i dont like abput AK map...too many sneaky GV spawns...milk run base captures..
F all of you..or I should just say some of you...
and keeping in tradition.."i want to Virtually stab half of you"
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Sounds like it's time for a group hug.
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"I, on the other hand, have a very different set of problems to deal with. I fly alone. I take off alone, go to a base where I think the "action" might be, with no intelligence report... I have no idea who else will be there when I get there, and no idea of the number, alt, and types of planes that will be there when I get there. So I just assume P51/LA7/Spit ix/YAK9U (also N1K but that's no real threat), and that works for me. In the fighting that follows, there will be almost NO voxx communication, NO 6-calls, NO real coordination, and absolutely no way I could survive in a FM2 or Spit V at 6K, or down in the weeds, especially with no voxx and no other communication. You have to remember that in the hours that I play, many of the guys online do not speak English. Some do speak English, but it's not always their first language. Also, the arena is not without its tardz."
I feel for ya ... I do a lot of lone wolfing too. I look for the BKs when I log on, and if they are on, then we hook up ... if they are not on, then its usually just me looking for a fight. Come over to the Knights and I would be glad to wing with you anytime (down in the weeds).
"But let's reverse things a moment, Slapshot. You take the role you have in mind for me. Get up in a Spit V during Euro hours, on your own, fly to where you think the action is, at 6K, and see how long you last. See how many 6-kill sorties you get. And film it. And then we'll have something to talk about."
Beet1e ... I do it all the time (not Euro hours). Pretty much most of the time, I fly lone wolf and 6 kill sorties are very hard to come by (for me) for the reasons that you mention (Knights are typically outnumbered). I do get them, but they are the exception for me ... not the norm. Thats why I was saying ... you get in an early war plane and show me how many 6 kill sorties you get ... meaning they will be far a few between. I don't film .. I never remember to turn it on.
"Slapshot has 72 kills in an LA7 - his second highest total for any plane."
You didn't mention that I have over 300 kills in the Spit V this tour. Last tour it was 437 and the tour before that was 673 in the Spit V .. the numbers are decreasing.
The La-7 is only used for goon hunting or when the enemy continues to bring 109s, 190s, and P51s to my field and refuse to engage with the Spit V ... I love chasing those suckers down in my LaLa.
"Funny how the very guys whining about the pizza map and/or telling me that the "real action" is all about flying slow planes in the weeds get the majority of their kills in late war monsters.
Why is it when somebody or some group vocalizes what is considered a problem ... a whine ? I don't get it.
Those numbers that you displayed for me (La-7) are NOT the majority of my kills ... as far as the other guys ... I don't know ... haven't looked at their stats ... don't care to.
I don't believe that me or anyone else has ever described that the fights that we are looking for are the "real action". It is for us, but never intented to be pushed upon you
You want to fight the E fight .. fine ... but don't pee in our pool when we complain that the current situations don't fullfill our needs/wants. You can pee in our pool after you have done a few laps
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ok we can whine and whine about this but until someone makes a replacement for pizza we are stuck with it. maybe a few people could make 1. id more than happy to help.i cant create a map on my own without having tons of bugs. so anyone want to volenteer?
skull12
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Originally posted by SlapShot
"I, on the other hand, have a very different set of problems to deal with. I fly alone. I take off alone, go to a base where I think the "action" might be, with no intelligence report... I have no idea who else will be there when I get there, and no idea of the number, alt, and types of planes that will be there when I get there. So I just assume P51/LA7/Spit ix/YAK9U (also N1K but that's no real threat), and that works for me. In the fighting that follows, there will be almost NO voxx communication, NO 6-calls, NO real coordination, and absolutely no way I could survive in a FM2 or Spit V at 6K, or down in the weeds, especially with no voxx and no other communication. You have to remember that in the hours that I play, many of the guys online do not speak English. Some do speak English, but it's not always their first language. Also, the arena is not without its tardz."
I feel for ya ... I do a lot of lone wolfing too. I look for the BKs when I log on, and if they are on, then we hook up ... if they are not on, then its usually just me looking for a fight. Come over to the Knights and I would be glad to wing with you anytime (down in the weeds).
"But let's reverse things a moment, Slapshot. You take the role you have in mind for me. Get up in a Spit V during Euro hours, on your own, fly to where you think the action is, at 6K, and see how long you last. See how many 6-kill sorties you get. And film it. And then we'll have something to talk about."
Beet1e ... I do it all the time (not Euro hours). Pretty much most of the time, I fly lone wolf and 6 kill sorties are very hard to come by (for me) for the reasons that you mention (Knights are typically outnumbered). I do get them, but they are the exception for me ... not the norm. Thats why I was saying ... you get in an early war plane and show me how many 6 kill sorties you get ... meaning they will be far a few between. I don't film .. I never remember to turn it on.
"Slapshot has 72 kills in an LA7 - his second highest total for any plane."
You didn't mention that I have over 300 kills in the Spit V this tour. Last tour it was 437 and the tour before that was 673 in the Spit V .. the numbers are decreasing.
The La-7 is only used for goon hunting or when the enemy continues to bring 109s, 190s, and P51s to my field and refuse to engage with the Spit V ... I love chasing those suckers down in my LaLa.
"Funny how the very guys whining about the pizza map and/or telling me that the "real action" is all about flying slow planes in the weeds get the majority of their kills in late war monsters.
Why is it when somebody or some group vocalizes what is considered a problem ... a whine ? I don't get it.
Those numbers that you displayed for me (La-7) are NOT the majority of my kills ... as far as the other guys ... I don't know ... haven't looked at their stats ... don't care to.
I don't believe that me or anyone else has ever described that the fights that we are looking for are the "real action". It is for us, but never intented to be pushed upon you
You want to fight the E fight .. fine ... but don't pee in our pool when we complain that the current situations don't fullfill our needs/wants. You can pee in our pool after you have done a few laps
Slap hose are grat numbers for an early warbird in teh MA. :cool: Fricking Spit Dweeb, I actually took your advice Slap last tour I took a Spit 5 up (second flight) landed 12 kills 1 sortie and put it back in the hanger. that plane is just insane, ultime furballer and incredible staller. for your kills in that thing, BTW my first sortie ended in death promptly. I need speed :D
"wo't fix my speeling because Mon Capitan says I need to bee quiiet"
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Slapshot! Polka is right - time for that hug! :):);):cool:
You understand me, and now I think I understand you, and the other weed-wacking furballers. But there are just a few points I'd like to make before we let this one go, now that the pizza map is gone for another month.
You seem to have accepted why I need a good survivalist plane. But don't think that I'm using it as a seal clubber. Like some of the accomplished pilots (I have no skill, so I'm not one of those) the three fighters I kill the most, tour after tour after tour, are the P51, LA7 and Spit9. Why? Because there are more of those than any other types - that's all. If I was focussing on killing the less manoeuvrable, slower planes, I might feel guilty - that's when I'll change down a gear or two from the G10 - perhaps to a G2 or F4. (I never got on so well with the G6) The G10 is good for 6-kill sorties - I still have about three other 6k G10-pizza films I could post, but I think I've made my point. ;)
But I have been the Spit V route. That was my plane of choice in my early days with Brand-W. It took my CO (who has met Lazs!) to drag me, kicking and screaming from my Spit and into a 190A4. Then he taught me energy fighting - B&Z. (I had yet to learn the distinction between B&Z and E-fiting - that's where BBGun helped me, and was a turning point.) The 109 is very much an e-fiter.
So the suggestion to go back to the Spit V is just that - going backwards, both in terms of what I've done in the past AND in terms of the development of warplanes in WW2. The progression was away from slow T&B planes, and on to heavier, faster planes which did not turn as well, but relied on energy tactics. Flying those planes is what I'm least bad at.
Many pilots at Brand-W favoured the early war planes, some claiming that flying these types demanded more skill - a myth I was able to disprove. (One guy claimed that he had more skill because he shone in early war, but couldn't maintain the shine as the war progressed - RPS)
Given that the most vociferous furballing BBS posters include guys from the BK and TAS - guys who claim to favour the weed-wackers - I often wonder why so many of them are opposed to an RPS - with the exception of Rude and Apache. :confused:
In closing, I'd just like to say that I've been very disappointed with how some guys have whined for the pizza map to be withdrawn permanently. It's only up one week out of four, and I don't see how the current map rotation cycle could be made any more fair than it already is. (There's always the DA - and the CT) But for some, "fair" is not good enough. They want everything their own way, all the time.
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Beet1e, if BS were concrete, you'd be the Kansas Turnpike.
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LOL toad... but... oh so true.
Don't know why I bother but.. WB is not AH beetle. you are not taking a step forward or backward flying the spit 5 in AH. I used to furball in the -1a. I furball in the yak. People don't furball in the g10 or sissy dora.
Look... the pizza map is on for a very long time... more than any other map probly or at least a 3 way tie. the fun maps are only on for a day or so.
People are complaining. they have good reasons. the map can be helped the same way infinity was helped.. the work done on infinity amounted to moving the bases closer together. not ONE complaint was heard about that move.... (allmost unprecedented in AH) So do the same to the boring pizza map.
lazs
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"So the suggestion to go back to the Spit V is just that - going backwards, both in terms of what I've done in the past AND in terms of the development of warplanes in WW2.
Going backwards ... no I don't think so. I considered the move (personally) as making it more challenging. It doesn't have to be a Spit V ... choose another early war machine and strap it on.
I understand why you fly what you fly, but still don't agree with your reasons. You seem to be very concerned about dieing. I don't like to die as much as the other guy and always fly planning on RTBing, but I don't get all wrapped up in it. If I have 5 pelts on my belt and there is still one fight to be fought, I will fight it ... even from a point of disadvantage. If I die ... oh well ... the HTC gods reincarnate me and I grab another plane and start the whole process over again. There is no shame in dieing in AH, alot of people think there is and that limits their fun ... as far as I am concerned.
I am not one of the group that proposes to eliminate AKDESERT... on the other hand I am one of those the proposes that AKDESERT make the same changes as Trinity did ... then I will judge it accordingly.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I understand why you fly what you fly, but still don't agree with your reasons. You seem to be very concerned about dieing.
I think you meant "dying". ;)
It's a cultural thing. In Brand-W it was considered better to kill one con and land successfully, than to kill two but be killed doing it. The scoring system reflected this - points tripled for landed kills.
I think you are using a very broad brush when you suggest that "dying doesn't matter". OK, it doesn't, but I prefer to land my kills. There is no mandate either way, so it comes down to personal preference. But the "dying doesn't matter" lobby is partly responsible for all the suicide crap we have in AH, including suicide-the-CV and suicide-fuel-pork. The more "dying doesn't matter" thinking we have, the more of an arcade game AH will continue to become.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I think you meant "dying". ;)
It's a cultural thing. In Brand-W it was considered better to kill one con and land successfully, than to kill two but be killed doing it. The scoring system reflected this - points tripled for landed kills.
I think you are using a very broad brush when you suggest that "dying doesn't matter". OK, it doesn't, but I prefer to land my kills. There is no mandate either way, so it comes down to personal preference. But the "dying doesn't matter" lobby is partly responsible for all the suicide crap we have in AH, including suicide-the-CV and suicide-fuel-pork. The more "dying doesn't matter" thinking we have, the more of an arcade game AH will continue to become.
Your name now is ... NEO SPELL-CHECKER ... ;)
died, die·ing, dies ... To cut, form, or stamp with or as if with a die.
You have a point there ... I did use a broad-brush ... I abhore the "suicide-favoritestrat" mentality ... I too always want to RTB. MY "dying doesn't matter" philosophy only pertains to Air to Air Combat.
Points/Perks means nothing to me ... wish I could give them away when some squaddies want to all take perk rides at the same time.
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Slapshot - I'd love to continue this. Can you make it to the West Coast minicon? Lazs is coming, I'm coming, and I'm working on Mr. Toad. :)
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I haven't dealt with the pizza map in about a year and 1/2. Have yet to see Trinity. Still fly all the time.
eskimo