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Title: turn rate and radius
Post by: Flyboy on August 24, 2003, 06:11:48 AM

i had this debate with a friend of mine that the spitfire could fly in circles inside a F16

after thinking of that i belive the the F16 has a batter turn rate then the spit (can pull more Gs?) but the spit has a smaller turn radius

is that correct?

i looked all over the internet and couldnt find a chart that shows me the time it takes for a spit to complete a 360* circle

anyone have a chart like that that shows time taken to complete a circle in variate speeds?

of i allmost forgot i will need a same chart for the F16 too :rolleyes:

thanks in advance! :)

Title: turn rate and radius
Post by: mw on August 24, 2003, 06:48:20 AM

"i looked all over the internet and couldnt find a chart that shows me the time it takes for a spit to complete a 360* circle "

Ya didn't look very hard ;)

Spitfire and Me.109
Turns at minimum radius without height loss.
Both aeroplanes at full throttle at 12,000 ft.

 Spitfire  -  Me.109  
Minimum radius of turn without loss of height......... ft. 696 -  885  
Cooresponding time to turn through 360 deg......... sec. 19 -  25  

Diagrams of turning (http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit109turn.gif)

More at signature link

Title: turn rate and radius
Post by: niklas on August 24, 2003, 10:36:05 AM

Heinrich Beauvais, chief test pilot Rechlin.
Turn time for 109C for full circle: 12 seconds

niklas

Title: F-16 turning
Post by: kreighund on August 24, 2003, 11:46:23 AM

The Viper will just go vertical and roll out where he wants to - I will check the manual tomorrow at work for the turn rate at SL and at 12000 ft...the spit is out turned oh and he's got the roost

I do the same in the F8F

Title: turn rate and radius
Post by: Innominate on August 24, 2003, 02:59:15 PM

When it comes to turn radius, even the least maneuverable WW2 fighters can easily turn inside any modern jet.

Generallly in air combat, all other things being equal, it's turn radius, not rate, that is important.  While an F-16 can sustain a 9G turn, it's speed is so much higher, than say, a slower ww2 fighter which would easily stay inside his turn radius.  At least untill the F16 went vertical and left the spitfire behind.

Title: turn rate and radius
Post by: fats on August 24, 2003, 04:06:09 PM

speed wins fights, or enables you to force a draw at the least.


// fats

Title: turn rate and radius
Post by: Angus on August 25, 2003, 05:16:44 AM

That spit I will have to be doing 156 mph for that 19 second turn. Not really sure what was the most economic turning speed.