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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LePaul on August 25, 2003, 11:16:30 AM
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Yes, I'm a Windows guy. I like my GUI, I like clicking things of and on, enabling, disabling, etc. I like knowing that if there is something I do not know how to...a trip to Border's reveals MANY titles of books that document how to make things work.
Enter Linux
I've had a few Linux machines for a few years, largely running my DNS functions for my little webhosting company. Verions 5,6 and 7 have all been fairly painless to implement. Awkward for a WinDweeb to manage, but still getting buy. Webmin, a web-based GUI, surely makes working with Linux vastly easier.
Enter Redhat 9.
Any backpadding I've done to myself on learning a new OS is completely out the window. In previous Redhat installs, after you've entered in all the stuff you want, after reboot, you are all up and running. Not anymore. With this one, I'm dead in the water faster. Everythng installed, but nothing responds. Try bringing up the machine on the web, it pings fine...telnet to it via SSH...nobody home. How about that cute "You did it" default page from Apache showing the webserver is working? Nada.
Wiped, tried a fresh install. Same.
Go on IRC and ask a few of the linux heads. Nope. Their too busy bashing anyone that runs Windows...try some other online means...well, which flavor of linux do you need help with? Nope, no luck there. Try Redhat...equally cryptic.
So this is better, eh?
I havent quite given up on it yet but it certainly is maddening. Amongst the drumming of being better, cheaper and more powerful...I can't even get the box to accept a telnet connection, much less display a webpage. I wish I could think of something obscenely stupid...but I'm quickly becoming a Bill Gates fan.
Ok, so whose running RH9 and what, oh what, have I done obscenely stupid :(
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*raises his hand slowly.*
Jumping to linux on my 2nd box. It's fun, like the old dos days when I 1st got a pc. Didn't know any command line input. All trial and error. You'll get it . Redhat is the way to start. Mandrake is for the experienced.
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Originally posted by SunKing
*raises his hand slowly.*
Mandrake is for the experienced.
LOL!!
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I had install errors galore with Mandrake reading from their own CDs...packages were missing dependancies and such...I finally got an install to take, but lots of weird XML Parser issues.
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Try looking at SuSE or one of the non-gui orientated distros like Slackware or Debian.
I've played with SuSE and it is good. I liked it, but if it doesn't need to hog memory I wont have it. SuSE is very GUI orientated. Decent, a little on the pricey side, but no more than RH.
Slackware has yet to go above $49 for the complete set of CDs.
Debian is a beast I've not played with, but I hear it is good.
Mandrake I hear otherwise. Something more on the order of a newbies distro. Lots of candy.
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LePaul,
Send me an email at _at_332nd.org [callsign=forhim] to see if I can answer any of your questions.
Regarding the ssh / telnet issue, most likely the xinetd process is set to block telnet and ssh or you've installed the iptables package and chose the high security option. [Likely the later, since you are getting problems with both ssh and web ports].
If this is a box connected to the external world, I would recommend asking someone more knowledgeable then me about the setup of IPtables.
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Originally posted by dfl8rms
LePaul,
Send me an email at _at_332nd.org [callsign=forhim] to see if I can answer any of your questions.
Regarding the ssh / telnet issue, most likely the xinetd process is set to block telnet and ssh or you've installed the iptables package and chose the high security option. [Likely the later, since you are getting problems with both ssh and web ports].
If this is a box connected to the external world, I would recommend asking someone more knowledgeable then me about the setup of IPtables.
Firewall options are off [none], xinetd is running...I installed KDE and via the desktop found the services tab. When I check on telnet,it says xinetd has to be running...umm, it is
Me thinks I shoulda stayed at RH7...this all worked under 7.2
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Never messed with Red Hat. Windows made me afraid of GUI's. :)
Slackware is the only Linux I have ever used. It's simple, straight forward, cheap, and it works. Not for the GUI oriented however.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Never messed with Red Hat. Windows made me afraid of GUI's. :)
Slackware is the only Linux I have ever used. It's simple, straight forward, cheap, and it works. Not for the GUI oriented however.
No, but it has some good tools. There have been two hurdles with Slack though:
1. I was never able to print from X. I could send ASCII text to the printer, but nothing graphical. A real disappointment. The printer program they included(forgot it's name) never worked for me.
2. There is a program called OpenRPG I wanted to investigate. It only had, I think, only one dependency, wxPython. wxPython had a branching tree of about 20 dependencies. One of the dependencies would never compile. The whole project, and 5 days of work was stymied on this one third party package for which the developer would not account:(
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From the command / terminal window:
Type:
runlevel
ps -ef | grep xinet
netstat -an | grep "LISTEN "
iptables -L
For the last one you will need to be root or root equivalent. Let me know what the output is. Also you may want to run
"tail -100 /var/log/messages" to see if there are any clues there as to what's happening.
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Question I should have asked: Can you make connections out from the system? ie ssh other_linux_system
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Originally posted by dfl8rms
Question I should have asked: Can you make connections out from the system? ie ssh other_linux_system
Neg..will try from console tonight your other idea
*Thank You * :)
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Yeah Mac, Slackware is GUI-challenged, which is fine by me. I prefer a CLI over a GUI anyday of the week. Immediately after installing I;
cd /usr
rm -fr X11R6 openwin
No sense in wasting disk space. :)
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Anyone tried freebsd and are happy with it?
My fav os is OSX... flame away :D
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I use FreeBSD. I like it.
Every UNIX has its strengths and weaknesses. You pick the one that fits the job and run with it. There is not one Operating system on the market that does everything great. Not one.
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Thx Skuzzy, im thinking about installing it on an old server, is it light/fast if you dont install all the useless crap. Im gonna use it as a file/e-mailserver.
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Originally posted by DmdMac
LOL!!
maybe it was debian. I can't remeber. It was one that you had to setup every device in command line...
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// one-liner hat on
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yeah Mac, Slackware is GUI-challenged, which is fine by me. I prefer a CLI over a GUI anyday of the week. Immediately after installing I;
cd /usr
rm -fr X11R6 openwin
No sense in wasting disk space. :)
wtf did you install it ?
just to remove it after ?
// one-liner hat off
hahem ... bota-bing ?
:D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yeah Mac, Slackware is GUI-challenged, which is fine by me. I prefer a CLI over a GUI anyday of the week. Immediately after installing I;
cd /usr
rm -fr X11R6 openwin
No sense in wasting disk space. :)
LOL, skuzzy. I started out with Slackware as well. Pre 1.0 kernel, was .xx something beta kernel. The install was flakey at best. Oh those were the days:) Then I went to Yagrasil Linux and RedHat etc... I've tried most of the Linux vendors over the years if only to check them out. So far I like Suse Linux the best as a consumer product, also cas its cheaper and has excellant value/price. I try to stay up to date with all the Linux stuff but its grown so fast over the years, its amazing really.
Redhat is the standard. Many of the new vendors are more user friendly like Mandrake.
BSD is BSD, still good and fast.
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Nah straffo, the directories get created whether you install X or not.
Nilsen, when you say "file" server, it means a lot of things to me. I imagine you are going to be using Samba. For Email, are you talking about POP and/or SMTP? For POP,you might want to check Qualcomm's Qpopper. Good product. Of course, for SMTP, Sendmail is my choice.
FreeBSD can be a pretty clean installation. I do like the update method they use. The 4.8 STABLE is pretty rock solid. You'll need to tweak some things (sysctl or kernel build) to get it really lean and mean. 5.1 looks very insteresting and I am looking forward to trying it when they get it out of Beta.
MrCoffee, the latest Slackware build is pretty rock solid and installs painlessly. I read good things about Suse, but I do like Slack's file system layout. It reads more like traditional UNIX's.
I am used to re-building kernels and hate not being able to. There are sooooo many things you can do to increase te performance of the various Linux's, and, of course, things that need to be done to secure any UNIX out of the box.
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Basicly im gonna have ALOT of skiing videos made with my DV camera and pictures on the server and edit them with either my winxp notebook or my 15" powerbook. The server is gonna be online all the time so i can access the videos and images from different locations. When im at home i will connect to the server via gigabit ethernet and wifi.
The e-mail thingy will not be implemented for some time yet and is therfore not the most important thing.
So i need a rock solid operating system so i can leave the server on 24/7 even when im away. It must handle wifi / gigabit ethernet and some large drives (2 or 3 250gb) + ofcourse internet connection. Anything else would just take up space.
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Linux or FreeBSD would be fine for that Nilsen.
I have a Linux router at home I built, running DNS, Samba, Sendmail, Fetch/POP and Apache.
It's been up for over a year now, no problems at all. I used Linux as Linux has a better implementation of IPTables, and FreeBSD (4.6 - 4.8) has just implemented IPTables.
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Well somehow its up...I went in on console, recalled linuxconf and that wouldnt come out. Somehow I recalled typing "setup" brings some config program up. Set firewall to none, turned apache on...voila. Well, so far anyways
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I can remember the part of today when I didn't have a headache. Why oh why!? did I read this whole thread?!:confused:
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I used to use RedHat, now i use SuSE.
I'm very happy with the change.
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Originally posted by dfl8rms
From the command / terminal window:
Type:
runlevel
ps -ef | grep xinet
netstat -an | grep "LISTEN "
iptables -L
For the last one you will need to be root or root equivalent. Let me know what the output is. Also you may want to run
"tail -100 /var/log/messages" to see if there are any clues there as to what's happening.
netstat -an | grep "LISTEN"
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:32768 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:23 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1485 /dev/gpmctl
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1533 /tmp/.iroha_unix/IROHA
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1607 /tmp/.font-unix/fs7100
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1417 /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
and...
iptables -L
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source destination
Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source destination
Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source destination
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bulll****e for plain work(office,exel , etc... and student working linux works very fine.
for fun (games) i use windows, for real work and projects i use linux, that is the only and free worlds way to work.
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thx alot skuzzy :)
Does anyone know if i should consider some special cooling and or cpu for a server that would be up and running 24/7 ?
Im gonna have to get all the parts as cheap as possible because of incomming baby and all so i may have to get some of it second hand. The only thing i have atm is 2 brand new 250gb WD S-ATA HD's and a 52x cdrom