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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Beegerite on October 28, 2000, 02:06:00 AM
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OK Boys!
You unhappy about the pricing plan HTC put forth to others and excluded those of us who have been faithfully paying $29.95? How about we stop talking and show them how we feel? I suggest an AH Free Day during the entire 24 hr. period at your location on Wednesday Nov. 1st This means that for us on the US East Coast at 23:59 on Tuesday we pull the plug and don't reconnect until 00:01 on Thursday morning. This will be a very clear indication of the following;
a. Who feels that all should pay the same.
b. Who supports their move.
c. Who is so addicted that they would pay $100
Tell your wife that being such a nice guy you're going to take a whole day off and spend it with her. Might get you some of that thing they call err what was that? Oh yes, sex.
Pass it on!
Beeg
P.S. For those that feel strong withdrawal pangs I would suggest coming into this thread and posting how you feel but support the cause.
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<lights the torch and starts yelling and waving> Oh damnit I cant be of help I cancled my account again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
lol this toejam is funny from a distance
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I like your signature Beeg. I really do.
But your plan will fail miserably.
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Beegerite,
I initially was very pissed off about it. But cool down and wait for HTC decisions and/or announces about prices. Give them one month after the expiration of the offer, the end of november that is. Then you'll be entitled to take any decision.
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Hi I agree with Gatt on this one. I too was initially a bit pissed to start with. (I think it would have been better if the word "Unlimited" hadn't been part of the inititative).
But HTC have never failed to produce yet so I for one will trust em on this. A no play day would be a good idea if you payed by the hour but why increase your cost per hour ratio by staying away when you have paid up front?
Perhaps HTC should charge in local currency. I see the cost change (By an insignificant ammout) each month because of exchange rates. I'm glad the pound is not yet tied to the Euro.
TTFN
snafu
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I was (am) completely pissed by this thing. At all. 100%.
But I have paid my 30$ again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...I am giving them some time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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Maybe a little reading between the lines lesson is called for here
Originally posted by Beegerite:
how we feel?
a. all should pay the same
Guys;
I love Aces High but I don't love what a baaad business decision has brought on. Multiple tier pricing which by their own words and promises to the recipients they can not withdraw which means that unless they want to face legal action those who got an offer for $9.95 a month will continue paying $9.96 a month in perpetuity. Likewise those who got the $14.95 offer and those who got the $19.95 offer FOREVER!!!
Those of us who pay $29.95 are the only ones who don't have a "FOREVER" offer. Which one should we have? Well the lowest offer given is $9.95 This is the only level at which democracy will return to our skies. The only level at which EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME.
Now, is this an unreasonable level? I don't think so cause I came here from FA and that's what I paid there. $9.95 fills the Zone's coffers with hundreds if not thousands of players. Don't believe me check it out. The downside from the players perspective is that at $9.95 you're gonna attract the "Goobers" of the flight sim world, servers will become over taxed, lag will prevail and game play quality will suffer greatly. This possibility isn't good but we didn't bring it on, HTC did by an ill advised market research campaign which has now turned our community against itself. The purpose of my protest then is to tell them that I for one want $ 9.95/month pricing now because I've paid $29.95 long enough.
One last point, some of you must be extremely young and naive, the word incorporated means that HTC is a person in the legal sense. This isn't about Hitech and Pyro and other nice guys we know and love. This is also about those money hungry backers they've got who may just be putting the squeeze on them to turn things around pronto and who don't give one hoot about the quality of the game itself.
Bottom line simple: I think it unfair that anyone should get lower pricing than me. I support the game but will show my displeasure by not playing it for 24 hrs.
So, let's tell Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara (for the youngsters - Viet Nam president and secretary of defense); HELL NO, WE WON'T PAY UNEVEN PRICING!
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I was reading this wondering: what is this idiots problem.
Then...
>I don't think so cause I came here from FA
>and that's what I paid there.
it all became clear.
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Ah! Congratulations Wabbit you used the magic word "idiot" You've just taken a perfectly legitimate right to post an opinion and made it a personal attack. Again, congratulations. To answer your question, I have no problem. $29.95 is absolutely fine, no stress at all for me to pay that. What is the problem is that somebody else gets to pay less. How does it reconcile in your books that under this program you will be paying $29.95 and others $9.95 for exactly the same thing? You better crack open a dictionary and look up the meaning of idiot. While you're at it try moron and imbecile. Believe it or not they are all degrees of the same thing. As far FA, me and two other Tigers left but we left 21 squad mates behind. So I stoop up for what I thought was worthwhile instead of blindly listening to their corporate crap and lies. That's being a man not blind followers that's being a Nazi.
Thanks for giving me an insight into your personality.
Beeg
Originally posted by AKWabbit:
I was reading this wondering: what is this idiots problem.
Then...
>I don't think so cause I came here from FA
>and that's what I paid there.
it all became clear.
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You are out of line here AKWabbit, period.
Cobra
Musketeer Escadrille
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Don't embarrass yourself by proving my point.
HTC is operating in good faith. They are exploring the possibilities of reducing the rate for all of us. If the price of that is that a select group of test cases get a special deal, or get the reduced rate sooner than me then thats ok by me.
If thats unacceptable to you then by all means, pack up your toejam and get your bellybutton back to fiter arcade. And take your boycott freak show with you. Moron.
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>You are out of line here AKWabbit, period.
>Cobra
>Musketeer Escadrille
Tough.
I've simply had it with some of the roadkill I've seen on this bbs the last week.
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Beeger, I understand where you are coming from, BUT, I am truly in support of HTC & the decision they made with this. This move will enable them to determine whether or not they can give the rest of us lower pricing.
Let me say it again. THIS MOVE WILL ENABLE THEM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN GIVE THE REST OF US LOWER PRICING.
There, did that get through? If the schmuck down the street is paying $5 or $10 less than me, yeah, I want the same thing, but I'm willing to trust HTC. And as far as anybody can see, that's what HT, Pyro & the rest of the guys (even the suits. They don't want to kill the game, they want it to grow) are trying to do.
That said, yeah, I got the $19.95 offer. No, I didn't take it. As crappy a flier as I might be, I like my name, some even know me by it (& a very few, respect me by it from my FO days). Besides that, I've got the money, some don't. I e-mailed yankee & asked her to send the offer to somebody else, so maybe some other guy that didn't sign up last time will reconsider. Before anybody asks, I believe I got it because I tried to abuse the 2 week thingie, I wouldn't do it now, & would advise others against it, but, I was just looking for a cheap thrill at the time. HT, sorry, but I did what I did. That's the way it goes.
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BTW, beeger, the Johnson/McNamara reference at the end of your post is uncalled for. Debating the issues of the sixties is for the OT forum, but besides that, comparing HT to the largess of government ineptitude (which is implied in the quote) is just unfair.
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Damn! I hate flame wars but if there's something I hate even more is an adolescent who thinks he can match wits with an adult.
Let's see "HT is operating in good faith" Maybe yes and maybe as I've alluded to they're under financial pressure. Considering the crap feast this has caused wouldn't you think they would have run this little exercise by some of their most rabid fans while at the conference in Texas. I didn't hear anything from those I know that attended. Good faith? Only time will tell!
And as far as going back to FA and taking my moron boycott freak show with me, we'll what can I say. So well and intellegently put. No sonny, I ain't leaving cause the money isn't the issue. I'm still paying my $29.95 and will continue to do so as long as AH offers value to me but that doesn't mean that I will not politely and in good form express disdain at what I consider to be a real screw up on their part. What do you consider a sin worthy of calling me a moron? That at one time before I discovered somethiing better I flew FA? That I had the intelligence to find something better and am willing to pay three times as much or that I have the temerity to imply that if AH is willing to offer $9.95 pricing to one they should do it for all? Do I expect them to do it? I don't know but foolish is the man who doesn't ask and a single day boycott (your words) is probably the best way for those that aren't as vocal as you and I to show them how they feel. No harm done, no money taken from them, just a day spent with our families and a message delivered without calling anyone a moron.
Beeg
Beeg
Originally posted by AKWabbit:
Don't embarrass yourself by proving my point.
HTC is operating in good faith. They are exploring the possibilities of reducing the rate for all of us. If the price of that is that a select group of test cases get a special deal, or get the reduced rate sooner than me then thats ok by me.
If thats unacceptable to you then by all means, pack up your toejam and get your bellybutton back to fiter arcade. And take your boycott freak show with you. Moron.
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Bottom line is that everybody here is paying the ammount they agreed to pay. If HTC offers a better price to somebody for market testing or what ever reason, it's non of our business. Pyro clearly stated the reason behind the price, do you think or are you saying that he is lieing? I realy don't understand. They are trying to see if they can lower the price for everybody.
You talk about them operating in good faith, where the heck does that come from? This company has the best Comunity Service out of any online flight sim out there and with only 6 employees. We just got done w/ the first anual AH con which was nothing less than a pure example of good faith. I know the prize that I won cost as much as I paid for the con fee, and just about everybody at the con won a good prize. HTC spent alot of money that weekend, I bet they didn't make 50% of it back.
Anyway, have fun with your walk out. I personaly hope too many don't follow you as I will be flying again this weekend (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) and I need some targets in the arena (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Also I hope to see this topic gone off of the UBB soon, it's getting real old...
Udie
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I'll second that Udie.
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Yup. I agreed to pay 29.95 and have no problem with it.
Beeg, just Quit........Maybe youll be happier.
Dog out.....
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AKWabbit,
Check out my posts on this...I'm ok with the wait and see approach. And I know what I signed up for and don't have a problem with this yet.
I've had it as well, and I'm not going anywhere, but calling people idiots and morons is just out of line. You know it, or it least you should. Beeg is a squadmate and he brought over at least 5 people to this sim.
To borrow what a squadmate said in our forum here:
I was surprisd to see responses from some of the "big" names in AH. The trivial, immature insulting and name calling has given me a new perspective of that crowd. They are worse than anything I saw in the FA NG. Good thing we can pick our friends here."
So, you are out of line, and you know it. Don't like it tough, just back off then.
But telling people to pack up their toejam, is just plain childish. Not sure why the AK's think they are in charge around here.
Cobra
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I took the offer of 14.95 and signed an account the same day.
You old lads should be happy, you will have more flying targets, more money income for the game you love, more people supporting it and more posibilities of survival for the company in a future where other sims are arising (WBIII, WWIIOL...).
The move of the protest is a poor one. You are paying what you have asked to, and me too. Where is the problem?.
There are bargains for periods in any business and them the price is back to its normal rate.
You only can take profit of this move:
1. The price may be lowered for everybody.
2. The company may become stronger.
3. The game will spread rapidly between european players, who do not enjoy of such a strong currency.
My 0.01 €
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Any loser, and his ilk, that tries to incite a boycott agianst a company that is only trying their best to determine the lowest price break that it economically make sense for them to give us, IS a moron and idiot in my book...as well as childish.
Thats my opinion and I'll post it anywhere he tries to start that crap. And I don't give a flip whether you like it or not. And if THATS the kind of crap he's going to contribute to the community, I won't shed a single tear if he prances back off the fiter arcade.
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Like I said..you are out of line...have a nice disgruntled life (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cobra
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boycott oil companies and walk. After all that excercise, sit down and relax in front of the computer and thank GOD you have HTC, someone who cares what thier customers think.
sax
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Cobra,
I am not taking sides either way with this dispute you and Wabbit have goin.All I ask is that you keep the "squads" out of it.It's between you two please keep it that way.Thankyou <S>
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OK, let's try to see if I can get through;
THIS idiot isn't trying to incite a "boycott" against anyone. I did not call this a "boycott", you did! Boycott means you don't buy the product. I buy the product and I'm not suggesting that anyone not buy the product. I've suggested a silent and peaceful demonstration for those who may have an opinion but aren't as verbal as you and I to state that if HTC is willing to offer lower pricing to some they should do it for all. Twenty four hours of abstinence so that HTC can see the other side of the coin and the potential harm to the enterprise. What the hell is wrong with that? You going into the cold sweats at the thought of not being able to play for 24 hrs? Maybe you're addicted? Do you constantly think about AH to the detriment of your other responsibilities in life? Does playing AH constantly cause you problems with family or employer. If so, I suggest you seek professional help.
For those that don't think this would work, look back in history and tell me what got us out of Viet-Nam? However, considering the fact that most people in this country as so apathetic about politics that less than 50% will vote in November, then maybe you're right.
Beeg
QUOTE]Originally posted by AKWabbit:
Any loser, and his ilk, that tries to incite a boycott agianst a company that is only trying their best to determine the lowest price break that it economically make sense for them to give us, IS a moron and idiot in my book...as well as childish.
Thats my opinion and I'll post it anywhere he tries to start that crap. And I don't give a flip whether you like it or not. And if THATS the kind of crap he's going to contribute to the community, I won't shed a single tear if he prances back off the fiter arcade.
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No Problem Mosby.
He attacked a squadmate and reduced himself to name calling. I understand that he doesn't speak for all the AK's. My apologies on the earlier reference.
Cobra
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All price malcontents,
You, I and others are paying more because HTC is conducting sales research. They are trying to find out if a lower price is viable. Offering that lower price without finding out if it is viable would be foolhardy and possibly put them out of business. Giving that lower price to guys like you and I would not provide HTC with the info they are looking for. They want to know if lowering the price would result into a corresponding increase in subscribers. The only way to find that is to offer subscriptions, at a lower rate, to people who tried it and didn't subscribe and to people who subscribed and then canceled. They already KNOW that you, I and others like us would subscribe at the lower price because we are subscribed at the higher price.
If the research proves that the lower price is as good or better for HTC's business as the current price is, then they will lower it for all of us. If it does not prove to be viable, then they will still be in business and we will not see the lower rate.
They have to be allowed to get the info they need to make the service better without betting the farm at unknown odds.
Sisu
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I think the idea that everyone is/should be paying the same price for a product is not consistent with the real world in any event.
As many have pointed out, the guy sitting next to you on an airliner probably didn't pay the same amount you did.
Cars are negotiable. A fine strip steak in beef country is way cheaper than an average steak in states that don't grow much beef.
Good whiskey is cheaper where they make it than where they ship it.
So, the universal price idea is certainly not a "right" or even a fact in most marketing.
Be that as it may, this HTC price issue needs a bit of time.
Sit back, take a deep breath and wait and see what HTC is going to do.
If it was worth $30/month a week ago, it's probably still worth a dollar a day now. If the market research goes our way it will probably get cheaper.
What will all you howlers say if, after the research is done, HTC decides to give all longtime loyal players a rate that is $1 LOWER than the best offer they made these "try but no buy" guys?
You'll take it won't you? You won't howl that it's not fair to the "no buys"?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Relax. Chill a while. Let time bring this issue into tight focus instead of fuzzy uncertainty.
THEN decide what you need to do.
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Guys, my take is: shut up and wait. There was endless whining and account canceling about anything new that the HTC guys were introducing in AH (combat-trim, night, late war planes, restriction on switching country sides, cannon-hogs, no-cannon-hogs, less e-retention, more e-retention, 109XFBGAH variant not present or present). Basically HTC guys seem to be doing the right thing mostly after a while so settle in, drop your 29.95 a month and wait. I'm just awfully glad it's not 2$/minute, I'm glad there is a couple of artists (one could arguee they're just geeks, one could argue they're weirdos spending their lives building this thing, for me geek+weirdo=artist ;-) doing that stuff for us. And each time I gunned some other poor soul down, licked my lips, got a beer and realized that I'm much more balanced and friendly towards my wife since I could off-load my natural agression on the affermentioned poor soul, I think to myself: it's worth the money ;-) So, give them 2-3 months and we see how it pans out. If they still charge 3 different ways in 2-3 montsh, we ask them for the reason they do it ...
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I say Beeger for president! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) As for AKWabbit...After reading your original post several times I have come to think that you may have been trying to get a rise and a laugh from readers with the FA thing rather than a personal attack on Beeger and it seems to have backfired.
Just be a little more careful how you word it next time.
If my assumtion is wrong and in fact you were making a personal attack on Beeger then I would say to you, "What's up with that?! Bad form."
But for now I'll assume that it was just a joke gone south.
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The big goof from HT and Pyro was not giving us a heads up before the post questionair offers were made vi email.
The second goof was in making the low rate accounts last as long as they are active. They should have said a year or cancelation, whatever comes first.
HT and Pyro have made these types of decisions before and have a small but dedicated anti-following as a result (see Warbirder).
That being said, I am fine with the market evaluation. I am confident I will be paying less for AH in the future as a result. I think HT and crew could have just lowered the subscition fee by %30 and tripled their membership but I guess a test of sorts is fine and probably better for the business portfolio in the event they sell the product at some point in the future.
As for people canceling their subscriptions, I say let em. People come and people go in this genre constantly. They will either be back or they wont. The target is those that chose not to stay after the initial preview or simply feel $29 is too much to pay.
"Whoopde-do Bazil, but what does it all mean?"
Yeager
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Thanks DISCOD but to paraphrase our friend from the Viet-Nam era, I will not run and I will not accept your nomination for president.
On the subject of Mr. Wabbit having intended a joke, I just re-read his original post and there is some possibility that this was his intention. If so, I offer an apology for having made more of it than it was.
Beeg
Originally posted by discod:
I say Beeger for president! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) As for AKWabbit...After reading your original post several times I have come to think that you may have been trying to get a rise and a laugh from readers with the FA thing rather than a personal attack on Beeger and it seems to have backfired.
Just be a little more careful how you word it next time.
If my assumtion is wrong and in fact you were making a personal attack on Beeger then I would say to you, "What's up with that?! Bad form."
But for now I'll assume that it was just a joke gone south.
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welp
I've kept out of these discussions since they started.
But I must say that I think the idea of a 24hr sit out is pretty rediculous.
I've been here since early in beta tour 1, and I'll be here for as long as I can.
This whole thing about crying over the market research thing is tantamount to making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I've got 1-1/2 month old twin sons (pics in the O-club) which we really weren't prepared for. Right now ANY drop in price would be a God send. You wouldna believe how expensive twins are until you (or someone in your family) have a set. And even then you might not believe it.
I'm not going to sit here and cry that I should get $9.95/mo just because a few people in a test group got that rate for as long as they want it. That'll just irritate the devil out of HTC. I'll sit back and wait for them to finish thier survey and lower everyone's price.
I think what most people are overlooking here is this: The reduced rate for these few people is payment for providing information to HTC. Companies buy info every day. BFHD
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Well, here I am with my draftcard burning my fingers. Unfortunately for me I fell asleep and woke up at 1:00 well into my period of self imposed exile so I get two days off instead of one. Let's see, what do I know about addiction and how to triumph over it?
One day at a time!
Beeg
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First, why do so many think that if the game is $10/month that all the dweebs will show up? Dweebs come in all income ranges. The fact of the matter is, there is no Relaxed Realism arena, so the real dweebs will never come.
I believe if AH was $10-15/month, a lot more players would come. Most of them from AWIII FR, where I am coming from. I really like this game, but I can't afford the $30/month, $10 I can handle.
Second, if you want to not play, then don't. If you already paid and you don't play, you are wasting your money. I know what point you are trying to make, so cancel your account the day before billing. Then HT might feel your point. After that, re-establish your account.
Oops... You would still have to pay $30, and still have missed a day.
Look, I hope that everyone gets the cheaper pricing, but if HT can't do it then what can be done? Maybe HT could stop putting development efforts into the game so we can all pay less. Of course the game will end up like AWIII shortly after that... outdated and useless.
Midnight
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Midnight, in my opinion even more than we see now would come if it was $10/mo if only for the free two week trial. I think alot of younger people and the very immature don't give AH a second look because of the price, and somewhat in conjunction with the flight model.
Just like you don't see too many kids run to the Red Lobster instead of the local What-A-Burger drive thru when they don't eat in the school cafeteria.
I offer up AW3 on Gamestorm and FA-II on The Zone for living proof of what $10/mo creates..
-Westy
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Im going to wait and see what happens, but I sure hope the "window of smooth game play" hasnt slammed shut on some of us. Ive been experiencing an increase in game lag for the last month and a half or more.
I've gladly paid the 30 dollars a month because it has filtered out, for the most part, the jerks that some of the reduced rate sims bring in. AH is not an arcade sim and thats why I like it so much. The pilots are the best, especially the WarBird veterans, and for the most part everyone is friendly and we have alot of fun.
As for throwing derogatory names around on a BB, well thats going to happen. The CB radio and computer communication has made more "men" than the USMC. Its been my observation that rude comments leveled through such media usually originate from a low self-esteem and the inabiltiy to articulate valid and sensible information on a personal level.
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Cobra,
I am not taking sides either way with this dispute you and Wabbit have goin.All I ask is that you keep the "squads" out of it.It's between you two please keep it that way.Thankyou <S>
If someone acts with such childish behavoir and is in your squad it reflects on and says something about the squad as a whole. This name calling and personal attacks are totally uncalled for. Beeg was posting his opinion, just as everyone else has the right to on this BB. Your opinions are also welcome, the name calling is not.
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Originally posted by Afrika9:
Im going to wait and see what happens, but I sure hope the "window of smooth game play" hasnt slammed shut on some of us. Ive been experiencing an increase in game lag for the last month and a half or more.
Afrika9, if you are experiencing connection problems, please post a traceroute to the Internet Forum. I will be happy to take a look and see if I can figure out why. The connections here have been doing really well.
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Instead of burning my draft card, I'm thinking about burning my bra.
Ooops, did I just say that out loud?!
Fury
p.s. I'm from FA and I don't care one bit about the pricing issue. Does that make me a freak?
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Originally posted by Strega_Mskt:
If someone acts with such childish behavoir and is in your squad it reflects on and says something about the squad as a whole. This name calling and personal attacks are totally uncalled for. Beeg was posting his opinion, just as everyone else has the right to on this BB. Your opinions are also welcome, the name calling is not.
This thread serves no purpose other than to get people riled up. So, Beeg accomplishes what he wants and gets 30 people to delete their accounts. He's satisfied.... oops! HTC doesn't get enuff money.. AH is gone. WTFG!!!! You not only met your goal but your "protest" served only one purpose.. to kill the very game that you want equal prices in. Didn't think about that one, didja?
Strega, I once met a man from Kentucky. He was a drunk amazinhunk that liked to pick fights. His mouth was stronger than his puny arms. I guess that reflects on everyone from Kentucky, eh?
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This isn't healthy for both squads.
And your analogy is seriously flawed SW.
Squads are normally a close tight-knit group not at all like the population of an entire state, so yes an individual of a single squad is vastly more representative of that particular squad then an individual from an entire state.
And in case you all missed it, Beeg never advocated for anyone to cancel their accounts. He only voiced his opinion that we reflect how we feel about this whole thing for a single day. That's it. No long term cancel. Just that. So I don't know how you can stretch that into Beeg wanting 30 people to quit (now who is engaging in hyperbole?)
He stated more than once how he really loves this sim. He is passionate about it, and that same passion transfers into his reactions to this latest development. No biggie. But he never once said, I quit and everyone else should as well. He simply said, this is how I feel, and if HTC wants feedback, here is one way of showing that feedback. But it was only a 1 day deal. Don't blow it up to more than that, jeez.
I, for one, have a different opinion on the pricing than my squadmate, but I do not resort to childish name-calling or read more into his post than a simple sit-out for a 24 hour period.
Talk about hysteria on both sides. It is an emotionally charged issue (money usually is, ask my wife..hehe), so tempers will flare on both sides, but lets keep it civil if possible.
Thanks,
Cobra
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 11-01-2000).]
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Well see there you have it! A generalization on your part about people from Ky. when that had nothing to do with this thread at all. And the rest of your statement? Well I am from Ohio, but I guess you would have something along those same lines to say about people from there too!! You also couldn't be further from the truth with your assumption. And you are from??????
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Since when are the actions of a private company(HTC) anybody else's business?
We are customers, not shareholders. If you like the product, and the price, we purchase the product. If we don't like the product, or the price we go elsewhere.
If someone from HTC wants MY opinion on their product/pricing THEY can ask me.
This board is for important AH subjects- like what a closet case Rip is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Will do Skuzzy, thanks. SirG has been suggesting that very thing to us on our squad board.
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Well, Ram, Beegerite, the rest...are you going to respond to Pyro's synopsis post or not? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Strega_Mskt:
Well see there you have it! A generalization on your part about people from Ky. when that had nothing to do with this thread at all. And the rest of your statement? Well I am from Ohio, but I guess you would have something along those same lines to say about people from there too!! You also couldn't be further from the truth with your assumption. And you are from??????
It was an analogy, a comparison to what you said about how one person can taint a group. I was giving a different example. I used kentucky becuase that's what you listed, but I could very well adapt it to Ohio. One person doesn't reflict that's group's views, nor does it reflect on the group name. What an INDIVIDUAL posts is up to him and it's HIM posting. No matter what group he's from.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Well, Ram, Beegerite, the rest...are you going to respond to Pyro's synopsis post or not? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
LOL Rip, why did they announce a lower price for everyone, with the effective date in that post?
All kidding aside, I hope the price will go down, until then I'll just keep getting shotdown in the main and the SEA. And if I find a better product for less, then we'll see, but so far I haven't.
Cobra
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I rest my case.
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Know what? We really do have a problem with literacy in this country. People don't know how to read unless it's See Spot run. Try this, Beeg no suggest delete, Beeg suggest one day no play. Repeat, "one" (1) day no play. Beeg read Pyro post today. Beeg says thanks. Beeg is cool with $29.95 Beeg get new puter today. Beeg be back tomorrow. Beeg try kill you tomorrow.
Beeg say good-bye
Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
Beeg accomplishes what he wants and gets 30 people to delete their accounts. /QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Strega_Mskt:
I rest my case.
What case? What are you talking about? You said an individual reflects on a group. I said an individual doesn't. Whats that called? Generalization. Something that most intelligent people stray away from.
-SW
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Originally posted by Cobra:
And your analogy is seriously flawed SW.
Squads are normally a close tight-knit group not at all like the population of an entire state, so yes an individual of a single squad is vastly more representative of that particular squad then an individual from an entire state.
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Perhaps someone from my squad can inform me of my opinions and of what I think and how I behave. I simply have no idea, some other individual is deciding this for me........
See what I mean now?
-SW
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Say Goodnight Gracie