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Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: JB73 on August 27, 2003, 06:12:38 PM
there have been a bunch of posts in my 1.5 years here about what plane you fly and why.

every that i responded to i said 190-D9.

over the last few tours i have experimented with the C.205, BF 110g2, BF 109f4, FW 190-A8, BF 109g2, and last few weeks the BF 109g10.

i personally have decided to be a "Master" (laugh if you want) at something from each variant of LW planes.

BF 109f4 for base defence.

FW 190-A8 for "base suppression"

BF 109g10 for mid-range intercept.

BF 110g2 for CV planes and attack.

have you changed your outlook on any plane choice in the MA lately? if so why?

for me there are sooooo many advantages to the LW planes i'm glad to be in an LW squad :D the LaLa's in the MA have no chance of escaping a decently flown 109g10. it also eats up p38's :D (a first for me was a 3-1 in my g10 vs. 3 p38's and i killed them all :cool: )

anyway what has changed your mind in "ride of choice" lately?

just a lame thought by yours truly
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: GScholz on August 27, 2003, 06:27:00 PM
I'm letting the 109F4 and the 110G2 rest at the moment. I'm trying out the 190A5 for a while. :)
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Zazen13 on August 27, 2003, 06:56:30 PM
I started out trying German iron, then realized they have the worst nose low deflection gunnery view possible. I then transitioned to the P51D. Trying not to be a pony dweeb I went to a 3 plane rotation I use now:

Typhoon/Tempest If I forsee the average engagment happening 12k or lower (ie: the small furball maps).

P47d-30 If I forsee the average engagement happening 22k or Higher (ie: Pizza/Infinity).

F6f-5 For the situations I cannot generally forsee the average engagement alt or for the alts in between the aforementioned two.

Zazen
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: palef on August 27, 2003, 08:41:36 PM
I've been using the Yak 9U for base defence and suppression, and the P40E for Jabo (except on Pizza, where I've been using the Tiffie).

The Yak 9U should be perked because it makes me look almost good.

palef
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Steve on August 27, 2003, 09:10:25 PM
What's a pony dweeb?
Tempy and typhoon are as faster or faster at many alts... and have cannon.    Soooo.... you must be more of a dweeb if you fly them?
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Karnak on August 27, 2003, 09:57:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
What's a pony dweeb?
Tempy and typhoon are as faster or faster at many alts... and have cannon.    Soooo.... you must be more of a dweeb if you fly them?


Ponies are more common.

Simple as that.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: JavierLQ on August 27, 2003, 10:00:51 PM
well i have barely posted on thsi forums..dont know if i even have..but read them every day.

Since i have only 1 month playing...and 1 or 2 months before then..im still sorta getting my feet wet. However i first was pushed to fly the P40E by a friend....its a nice ride....boom and zoom and turn with some planes for a bit..however if i see im not gaining angles on them i try to get some separations and reangage hopefully with the energy advantage on my side.  However..my most used aircraft so far is the Ki-61. I dont know why but it is not bad at turning..and can chew planes up with both its machine guns and cannons. Somtimes i get into situations where we are turning into each other and we barely pass by withought crashing into each other...where the other plane cant or decides not to shoot me and i barely get a split second to shoot..fire both cannons and machine guns...usually get their motor oil or radiator..then come back and try to finish the job.

I dont really have a set situation for eather of them (i should really) i just fly what i feel like..if i feel like BnZ a little...i fly P40....if i feel like tunring a little more...ad more power..here comes the Ki-61.  Also another reason for the ki-61 choice is i dont liek spits...and i am a better turner than BnZ pilot....not too much better but better.


My 2 cents


P.S.  for those who might say i fly those for the perks.....i dont....i could care less about the perk points.....no matter what ride im in...a kill is a kill to me...

S!
FBJavier
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Zazen13 on August 27, 2003, 10:03:01 PM
I wasn't making any derogatory remarks toward pony drivers. I love the pony, it's a great ride. I simply stopped flying it for the same reason alot don't fly the Spitfire or La7. It has the stigma of being perceived as a crutch for the weak and/or inept. I did not want to marr my meager MA achievments by being type-cast as one who could accomplish them only with the aid of an overmodelled ride.

In summary, not only do I want to kick ass, but I want to look good doing it =) or try anyhow heh

Zazen
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 27, 2003, 10:17:23 PM
Nothing's changed, plane of choice still is the Lightning.



ack-ack
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Shane on August 27, 2003, 11:06:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
I did not want to marr my meager MA achievments by being type-cast as one who could accomplish them only with the aid of an overmodelled ride.
Zazen


the stigma comes more from *how* one flys, rather than *what* one flys.  however, how one flys will often determine what one flys.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Mini D on August 27, 2003, 11:28:13 PM
P-40E, F6F-5
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Golfer on August 27, 2003, 11:40:15 PM
Base suppression: P-51D
Long Range Escort:  P-51D
Base Defense:  P-51D
Furballing:  P-51D
Stallfighting:  P-51D
Mid range intercept:  P-51D
GV Attack:  P-51D

Plane i have so much fun in it oughta be perked...

Hurricane MkIIc!
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: vorticon on August 27, 2003, 11:59:08 PM
hurri2c...same thing as it has been for the past 1 year and 4 months
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Ike 2K# on August 28, 2003, 12:07:39 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
Base suppression: P-51D
Long Range Escort:  P-51D
Base Defense:  P-51D
Furballing:  P-51D
Stallfighting:  P-51D
Mid range intercept:  P-51D
GV Attack:  P-51D


Now thats what i call AIR DOMINANCE FIGHTER of the 20th century!!!:D

P-51D can do GV attacks but ONE 3 centimeter FLAK on the engine and it will kill your radiator and never make it back to the base.


BTW, P-38L should be on that category. P-38L can perform long rage escort (50% internal fuel with 2x 150 GAL external tanks), mid-range intercept,  base defence, GV attack, base suppression, furballing, and ESPECIALLY stallfighting!!!
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Golfer on August 28, 2003, 12:33:05 AM
My P-51D beats your P-38.

The End
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Widewing on August 28, 2003, 01:09:41 AM
This tour:
F6F-5 Primary
P-51B Secondary
La-5
F4U-1C
P-38L
La-7
P-51D
FM-2
109G-10 (one sortie)
109G-2 (one sortie)
Yak-9T (two sorties)
N1K2 (one sortie)
various 190s (three sorties)
Ki-61 (one sortie)
P-47D-30 (two sorties)
Seafire (one sortie)
Tempest (one sortie)
F4U-4 (one sortie)

I fly a liitle bit of everything over two or three tours.

My regards

Widewing
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 28, 2003, 01:27:25 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ike 2K#


P-51D can do GV attacks but ONE 3 centimeter FLAK on the engine and it will kill your radiator and never make it back to the base.


B]


That was a problem that plagued the P-51 throughout its history.


ack-ack
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: B17Skull12 on August 28, 2003, 02:23:37 AM
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That was a problem that plagued the P-51 throughout its history.
:D
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Steve on August 28, 2003, 03:06:17 AM
p51 is overmodeled?
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: hogenbor on August 28, 2003, 03:19:05 AM
F4U-1, just get a decent bit of alt and don't spoil your E when heavy. Fast, maneuverable, can dive like a brick and never loses control.

P-51B, lacks firepower but at typical high alt fights there is nothing better.

FM-2, Furball machine par excellence. Good for a bit of fun from carriers.

La-5, much better than a La-7 IMHO, much better knife fighter and base defender because it can turn. The cannons suck Nilfisk though.

P-38L, been flying this a bit. Pretty easy too fly but poor views. Need some more hours to get a feel for it.

Bf-109G10, a nice challenge. Torque, overspeed problems, horribly difficult to aim that 30mm, poor views. Climbs like a homesick angel though and handles better than advertised. And gondies suck.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Load on August 28, 2003, 06:22:48 AM
I always fly theeeee....Who really cares about what I do fly ????

I am just a dweeb....my plane do the rest.

My 2 egocents....KosK
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Joc on August 28, 2003, 06:56:46 AM
Got tired of being called a Spit dweeb,so I no longer fly the Spitty IX,my plane of choice is now the Spitty V :D
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Puudeli on August 28, 2003, 07:31:15 AM
Last tour it used to be 109g6/g2, this tour 190A8 and 109F4.

109F4 is perfect plane for ma, pretty fast, can climb, can turn with most of dweeb planes, I simply love it :D

Puudeli1 has 45 kills and has been killed 34 times in the Bf 109F- 4.

I think I have come out pretty nice on that, since when i started to fly it was something like 10/20 K:D :rolleyes:
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Gixer on August 28, 2003, 08:50:25 AM
One is less dweebie then the other? Never knew there was a difference.


...-Gixer
-Hells Angels-



Quote
Originally posted by Joc
Got tired of being called a Spit dweeb,so I no longer fly the Spitty IX,my plane of choice is now the Spitty V :D
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: gofaster on August 28, 2003, 09:30:13 AM
Depends on my mood.

I usually avoid the Top Four planes simply because I want to be unique.

Sometimes I take the Ki-61 for turnfighting.  Sometimes its the 109F or 109G10 with gondolas for general defense.  P-51B if I'm going long distances to find a fight.  Or a birdcage Corsair for fleet ops.  190A8 for bomber intercepts or ground strafing (although I tried the 110 the other day and was pleased with the results, so I may fly it more often).
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Replicant on August 28, 2003, 10:42:17 AM
Year 2000 - B17, B26, P51D, Spit9, 109G10, 109G2, 205, P38, Pnzr

Year 2001 - Tiffy, 190A5, 190F8, Yak9T, Lancaster, B26, Ar234, Pnzr

Year 2002 - Tiffy, Mossie, Seafire, Hurri 2C

Year 2003 - Tiffy, Hurri 2C, Seafire... Mossie.....

...not very exciting eh?! :)
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: MotorOil on August 28, 2003, 11:41:43 AM
Seem to have reverted back to the La5 for most fighter action.  Typhy or F6F for attack, N1K or Spit IX for base defense and the Seafire for CV action.  

Been thinking about getting back into the G6 or 10.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: humble on August 28, 2003, 12:33:36 PM
La-5 is the best kept "secret weapon" in the game. Other than it's rather mediocre cannon ballistics it's a good to great plane in all aspects...95% of the time I can offer a challenging fight to all comers in a 1 vs 1 or 1 vs a few fight....as for the other 5% it wouldnt matter what I'm flying anyway:).

azhacker
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Urchin on August 28, 2003, 12:39:57 PM
But.... why bother with the La5 when there is the La7?  After all, the La7 does everything better anyway.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: humble on August 28, 2003, 12:55:08 PM
Actually,

I think the la-5 does everything better with the exception of pure top end speed and cannon ballistics...truthfully I can't remember the last time I lost a 1 vs 1 (la-5 vs la-7).

Looked up this tour #'s...I'm 5-4 vs la-7 in la-5 so obviously been killed by em...but cant recall any in a "dog fight" type setting...niggits been getting GB'd alot while im on. overall 82-47 so a little worse than average....but I've been flying off of capped fields alot.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Sable on August 28, 2003, 01:10:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Urchin
But.... why bother with the La5 when there is the La7?  After all, the La7 does everything better anyway.


Because for some ridiculous reason the La-5 has an ENY of 40, and rack up perks very quickly.  That and the La-5 seems to turn quite a bit better then the -7.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: humble on August 28, 2003, 01:11:43 PM
overall La5 has 325 kills of la-7 and has died 266 times...assuming I'm doing the search right.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Urchin on August 28, 2003, 01:34:55 PM
If perks mattered I'd agree wholeheartedly with that statement.  As it is now, if you need the performance of a Tempest, you up an La7 and kill whatever needs to be killed.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: MotorOil on August 28, 2003, 04:16:29 PM
Humble, aka 'azhacker'  You've got alot of kills in the N1K to explain!  Especially those with my name on it!
:D

I'll show you how to fly the La5!:cool:
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Gixer on August 28, 2003, 04:51:54 PM
Been seeing alot more of spits then La7's these day's. Though that's probably due to the big maps and low gas range of the LaLa's.

La5 is a much better handling plane then the La7 imho and I prefer it over the La7. Spent some time in the La5 while back. Though falls short in the gun department.

Could never really take shots beyone D300 in the La5 without wasting alot of ammo or have a big hit in snapshots. Unlike it's 3 cannon big brother which seems to snap shoot things in half.

Of course the higher top speed dosn't seem much on paper but in performance makes quite a difference in acceleration etc.

Agree with Urchin, La7 is an unperked Tempest. Only thing it dosn't have is the drop tanks.



...-Gixer
-Hells Angels-
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: humble on August 28, 2003, 05:13:35 PM
hehe....

Finally decided the only way to beat the darn thing is to fly it a bit...easily the most porked FM in the game. Anyone who feels otherwise is delusional:)

I did fly it for about a week maybe a bit more...looked back over last few tours and almost no time in it.

Tour 40 was Jug(s) 170, la-7 83, nikki 16
Tour 41 was la-7 27 Jug 23...no kills in nikki

Guess I'm more of an la-7 dweeb than I thought :)
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: RedDg on August 28, 2003, 05:47:04 PM
P-47
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: eddiek on August 28, 2003, 06:02:24 PM
P-47 variants since their inclusion in the AH planeset.
F6F when I just wanna goof around some.
Lately, been flying the 109 variants (actually, flying them more since I found out how fun they can be when you're "forced" to use them in the CT to balance the sides), I prefer the G6, that G10 is almost as "easy mode" as a Runstang.......

P-51B if I am flying from field where the fuel is porked.......

Aw heck, I fly 'em all!!!
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Samiam on August 28, 2003, 06:11:42 PM
I've settled on FM2 and F4U*, mostly for asthetic reasons (affinity for Naval AC) - but variety is the spice of life so venture out occasionally.

For me, at least, it wasn't until I stuck exclusively to one or two planes for several months that I got an real appreciation for flying at the edge of the flight envelope of any plane.

Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
In summary, not only do I want to kick ass, but I want to look good doing it =) or try anyhow heh
 


Well, then your first choice must be a Corsair. Everybody looks good wearing one.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Kweassa on August 28, 2003, 07:01:58 PM
Anything, except Spit9, La-7, N1K2, Seafire and P-51D.

 All terrific and fun planes, but doesn't exactly fill the needs for the ego :)

 Been especially fascinated with the F4U-1 lately(a F4U-1A, atually, according to F4UDOA).. those birdcages have a very distinct aura of immersiveness :)
Title: F4U's
Post by: Patches on August 28, 2003, 07:22:54 PM
Ahhhh...those F4U's.....tricky devils they are! They seduce you and then, in an instant.....you are dead!

The F4U is a true fighter/bomber aircraft. They are not meant to turn and burn with more agile aircraft....they are meant to deliver devastating ordnance on target....AND THEN....Boom and Zoom the fighters against them. The F4U series of aircraft offers a challenge in all areas of flight and fight.

Yes...I am an F4U series afficienato. And I die in them a lot, too!

So, if you are looking for an aircraft series to challenge your skills as a fighter pilot and as a bomber pilot, give the F4U series a serious look, and a serious try....they are not easy....

And for the FW190 fans out there.....the F4U has similar characteristics....give it a try....you may be surprised.

Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: MajBlood on August 29, 2003, 08:02:17 AM
Ive been 'training' in the FW 190 A-5 fot the past 2 weeks or so.  Every 1 tells me to "keep it fast", but I love the sound of the engine when I drop the throttle for a hammer drop (?) on n m e. With mitsu's sound pack, the f/w sounds like a harley. A beast to fly, seems like killing throttle actually increases climb inna dogfight.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eee/Brrrrrrrrmmmmmmm !!!:D

Still haven't figured out how to kill la7, n1k....but i'm workin on it.

I know this fighter isn't made for t&b furballin', (I've learned this game in Fm2 and SpitIX), but Ive had some pretty good success, I'm really beginning to enjoy its flight characteristics and I'm notta spit dweeb n e more !!!


If I have to use American planes....I'll go with the P40-E. Nice Sunday flier lol.

N e 1 have some a8 tips for me?
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Sikboy on August 29, 2003, 09:14:17 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MajBlood

N e 1 have some a8 tips for me? [/B]


Only the advice of the sage master
Quote
Originally Mused by Charles Del Mar
Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.


Or, if that doesn't do it for you, check out this tread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43808&perpage=50&pagenumber=1

-Sik
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: B17Skull12 on August 29, 2003, 10:07:32 AM
lets see i do mine by map.

pizza map i use 262, spit14, and 109G10. just get behind em and whack em :D. G10 for perk farming.

other maps:109F4 and 190A5

i use those on pizza map because you engagement will be like a 20k engagement. went to soda for help yesterday on spit14. now i know how to use it ok.


skull12
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Apache on August 29, 2003, 10:20:22 AM
Quote
Originally posted by B17Skull12
lets see i do mine by map.

pizza map i use 262, spit14, and 109G10. just get behind em and whack em :D. G10 for perk farming.

other maps:109F4 and 190A5

i use those on pizza map because you engagement will be like a 20k engagement. went to soda for help yesterday on spit14. now i know how to use it ok.


skull12


Perk farming in a G10? Lol, looks to me like you been da whackee.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: AtmkRstr on August 30, 2003, 01:32:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by humble
La-5 is the best kept "secret weapon" in the game. Other than it's rather mediocre cannon ballistics it's a good to great plane in all aspects...95% of the time I can offer a challenging fight to all comers in a 1 vs 1 or 1 vs a few fight....as for the other 5% it wouldnt matter what I'm flying anyway:).

azhacker


The La5 was once one of the top 5 planes in the game. Then came the La7, unperked ofcourse.
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: B17Skull12 on August 30, 2003, 01:51:11 PM
Quote
Perk farming in a G10? Lol, looks to me like you been da whackee.

over 50 perks last week in it :D
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Rutilant on August 30, 2003, 02:02:52 PM
G10 has an ENY value of 21.. Not enough for me to consider it a perk farmer..

Now the Hurri IIC is a perk farmer! C.205 too, but i never use it...
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: B17Skull12 on August 30, 2003, 03:46:01 PM
(rutt is just mad cause i landed 2 kills in a spit14:D )
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: Puudeli on August 30, 2003, 04:07:54 PM
109F4 :rolleyes:
Title: Plane Choice Re-visited
Post by: B17Skull12 on August 30, 2003, 04:09:54 PM
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109F4
amazingly i haven't flown that in a couple of weeks