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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Halo on August 29, 2003, 08:38:05 PM
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Just curious -- who holds the fighter record for most kills in one sortie without rearming or refueling AND landing safely without ditching or bailing out?
Bombers, attack, gvs, ship guns, aa -- those are other categories somebody else can ask about.
Flying what? Killing what types of opponents? During vulching, intercepts, b&z, dogfights, what?
Any unusual circumstances that led to the high score?
For example, I've never landed more than 5 kills, the best sortie being in a P-51 getting a 109, an La-7, a Zero and two B-26s, landing as my fuel ran out and hosing a vulcher (the La-7) who missed -- not bad but nowhere near top guns.
I'm guessing the record probably is in double figures before the ammo or fuel ran out?
So who is the Top Gun in what might be the most difficult statistic of all? Make your claims, complete with the most pertinent details (if the winner flew any of the limited ammo birds, we'll be REALLY impressed).
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42 in a Chog here 22 in a 110g2 and numerous 20+ in f4u1c.
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In ONE sortie -- without refueling or rearming?
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101 kills in a tempest with rearming :D
not rearming ive gotten 25 in a 262
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Please hold the thread to NO rearming or refueling. Otherwise the one sortie becomes one mission, and that's a different thing. Thanks.
Sheesh, already the totals are amazing. No wonder I get zapped so much.
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13 in a Bf109G10, no vulching, no rearm, no refuel, no pods, and most of its on film.
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IIRC, 14 without rearming in a C Hog here.
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ok i know. i think it was nexx in a tigr 6 months back. 75 kills no rearms. was on island map.
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My best is 14 in a Spit V without a rearm. With one rearm, it's 24 kills. I've never lived long enough to rearm more than once. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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14 in a typhoon, plus VH and field acks. 100% vultches on a dorky FDB mission.
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i'll take one good victory after an intense one on one over say 7 sloppy ones anyday
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Did 17 in about 30 seconds landing on a CV while PT boats were spawning from an enemy group that had just downed.
MiniD
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12 in a p47d-11 without rearming or getting killed ... non vulching type kills ,
7 in a TA 152 befor the buff formations .
i only get 8 per spit 5 ... cant seem to get the extra ammo can. lol
14 in a f4u 1d but that was during a vulchfest and i dont count those...another time I got 5 kills in one bnz pass once with 2 ground 3 air landed 7 that time..
12 kills in a b -17 during 1 egg drop (also befor the formations) back when we porked the runways from 30+k...(one of those spawn for mission hits :)
those are my bests and fav's
If id quit getting stolen kills /assists i probely have close to 20 several times.
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19 in hurri IIc with vulches
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111 in a tiger but I was resupplied and repaired.
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Vulches don't count. Rearms don't count. Pt boat spawn point kills don't count. Air to Air, who gives a crap about GV's. I'll pop a PT boat in a heartbeat but that ain't in the equation.
....and Levi and Citabria don't count either..
Well there's a bunch of "fighters" that don't count..
Cuz they depress me..
I'll post a list..
Pickers, vulchers, scorepotatos aren't on it..for a very different reason.
So eliminating all those..
I'M A GOD !!!!!!!!!!
6 in a F4U1-D, and I got pinged all the way to the base and bellied the baby in. My hair was on fire.
It made my butt tight..
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my most is 4 kills no rearm in a 109G10:rolleyes:
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21 in a pony. I'm impressed w/ Todds SPitV numbers.
Jams yours is nice too.. but since it was vulches.. gotta give Todd the nod :)
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My best ever is 3 Lancs with 1 30mm round :). Ok, I'm pretty sure it was some kind of bug, but it sure was funny watching all three of them blow up.
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302 in a spitv :p lol it was a bug
12 and 15 in P-38
7 and 11 in F6F....during a furball
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14 in F6F-5, mixed bag of fighters and JU 88s.
14 in 190A-8, 9 of them Lancs and Ju 88s.
10 kills, 2 assists P-51B, landed with less than 60 rounds left.
24 in Dora, one reload, fighters and Buffs.
18 in Hurricane IIC, one reload, all fighters.
My regards,
Widewing
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I used to land 5-6 kill 109G10 sorties consistently, then I sorta stopped gettin em for some reason.. then I used to get 5-6 kill Hurri IIC sorties.. Then i joined the Strike Bandits, and i havent gotten any sorties over 4 kills.
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Most memorable was 10 in a 190a5. All a2a, all fighters, many from a disadvantage. In that mess north of a5 (from 219 is it?) on trinity. Man that was fun.
Pulled 14 air-to-air in an a8 a few times, but those were a lot of buffs or zooming through other people's furballs. Still a lot of fun though. :)
Best vulch/base cap run without rearms was 18 in a dora. Also a memorable one, cause I was all alone and couldn't shoot them down as fast as they were upping. :D
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Originally posted by AHGOD
42 in a Chog here 22 in a 110g2 and numerous 20+ in f4u1c.
Landed 18 earlier this eveing 1 sortie in Chog and all but 3 were vulches (includes deacking the base). Chog for me equals huge kill runs, dunno but the damn thing is the ultimate vulching machine.
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13 in niki plane was messed up but could land safe .
9 in FM2 thought 4 where GV's and 1 was vulched .
6 in Yak9U .
14 in seafire was protecting base that time all alone acks where my best friend that time :p
svalan
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Six in a Yak 9T is the best I can offer.
I am a pathetic, miserable shell of a man.
Splash1
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not rearmed 12 kills in 30mm 109 G10. No 12.7 mm used.
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I landed kills in a C205 tonight.
Rearmed twice.
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24 w/out rearming in P-38L and 13 in A-20.
ack-ack
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23 in the N1k... Of course i couldn't land because they started to get off the ground hehe :)
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22 in Field Gun, whacking N1K vulchers who couldn't figure out where I was - LOL!
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all no re-arm.
25 in a CHog, about 1/2 and 1/2 a2a and vulches. Using one pair of cannon at a time and I probably used rocs on a couple too.
14 in a dora can't remember what they were, it was a fair while ago.
11 in a C205 a week or so ago... 32.47 perks for that even though the perk mod was down to 0.6 or so at the time.
Biggest ever tally was upper 30's, Following Wldthing around :) I had just decided to RTB when we had one of those mass disco things that we got just after 1.10.
Gatso
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this campaign:
190A8: 24 kills
190D9: 21 kills then 20 kills next day
no refueling.....
more than ever my 2 egocents
KosK
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26 in chog without rearming. 62 in panzer with resupply.
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Cant remember the largest streak, probably with D9, but the most interesting one was with 190A5 in a big battle against bish horde, 17 kills (4 of them with the A5 Mgs) in first battle defending one of our main bases, then rearm ending with 26 kills after we recapture the two islands where the horde was launching from.
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7 with B-17s, 3 of them were killed launching from a bomb hit
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The top one I scored with the 262 but I can't remember exact score. Less than 20 anyway, so nothing fancy.
The one I remember best is 11 kills landed in C.202. Last 6 being vulches.
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I got one in a row once.
lazs
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I win, i got 1-1/4 :)
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20 in a 110G2 with the 500kg load out
121 in a 5" ship gun..
SKurj
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8 in a Spit V
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Originally posted by Wadke
302 in a spitv :p lol it was a bug
12 and 15 in P-38
7 and 11 in F6F....during a furball
I was gona post your screenshot if you hadn't mentioned it :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I got one in a row once.
lazs
Blarg. That's a given Steve, or Shane reply to a "who is good in AH?" thread, and I wish they would changed their callsigns as I confuse the 2. One may be innocent. But Laz, come on.
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Without rearming my highest is 15 in a typh
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6 in an a6m2.
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Proximity kills don't count lazs.
Drex
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post it ATMk....lol haven't see it in a long while
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13 inna spit9:p
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26 or 27 in the latest model P-47 with maximum ammunition. All but 3 were vulches and some of them came from aircraft being too close to one of the 3 bomb impacts (I was attacking a field as part of a mission and was carrying maximum .50 ammunition, 3 bombs, and I think rockets as well - for what it's worth all the rockets were fired at aircraft on the ground as well). In my book that sortie would have to be in a different category. 'Most kills in one sortie' means 'most air to air kills in a sortie' in my book. But if you want the extreme(s) regardless of circumstance that might be one of them.
Mike/wulfie
p.s. This was over 3 years ago. The last time I played on a regular basis was mid-2001.
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11 in an A6M5b
9 in a Mosquito Mk VI
8 in a P-38L
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Originally posted by lazs2
I got one in a row once.
lazs
probably was me
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Creamo:
Blarg. That's a given Steve, or Shane reply to a "who is good in AH?" thread, and I wish they would changed their callsigns as I confuse the 2. One may be innocent.
I reply to all threads that interest me. It's nice to participate in threads sometimes that do not involve a debate/argument where people are insulting each other either directly or w/ sarcasm. You should try it once Creamo.
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Status Report 1: If I am reading these posts correctly, here are the leaders in kills after only ONE sortie (NO rearm, NO refuel, fighter only):
AHGOD, CHOG, 42
Wulfie, P-47D30, "26 or 27"
Furball, CHOG, 26
Citabria, Me262, 25
Gatso, CHOG, 25
Ack-Ack, P-38L, 24
Load, 190A8, 24
Steve, "Pony", 21
Skurj, 110G2, 20
These are only ones with 20 or more kills, and only their total score is mentioned. Let me know any corrections needed.
CHOGs are three of the top nine. Most aircraft are heavy firepower or good endurance or both.
Already some of these scores are amazing. So many kills must have been achieved only with the most judicious close-in brief bursts of fire, right? Or is there some mysterious trade secret?
And ... keep posting. Many other impressive sorties with less than 20 kills are worth posting in this thread, e.g., several people have noted how impressed they are with some Spit V and other lighter firepower achievements.
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12 in D25, no rearm or refuel and no vulching.
With vulching and rearming i belive it is 20 something
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Originally posted by Halo
Already some of these scores are amazing. So many kills must have been achieved only with the most judicious close-in brief bursts of fire, right? Or is there some mysterious trade secret?
I don't know about anyone else but I like firing close to the target. Usually score a kill shot with the first burst of .50 cals and 20mm guns but the downside is that I ended up colliding quite a bit with the plane I just blew the tail off of. Flying into the debris of your kill is a definite pisser.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Halo
Status Report 1: ...
I looked it up. Tour 29, ID: wulfie (I've had 4 AH IDs because I had to close my account a few times due to extended periods of travel, so it took me awhile to actually find the sortie - I know that's the one because it's the only time I ever really said 'wow' when flying the Big Green Reef-er I mean P-47 - by this I mean "I'm no Frenchy"). That was the Tour and it was a P-47D-25. Looking at total P-47D-25 kills that tour I'd call it 26 instead of 27 and the majority (90%) of those kills were vulches with a capital 'V' (i.e. the victims didn't even get their wheels off the ground).
"In the eternal battle of La-7 vs. 500 lb. GP bomb, the 500 lb. GP bomb will always win." :)
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by Halo
Already some of these scores are amazing. So many kills must have been achieved only with the most judicious close-in brief bursts of fire, right? Or is there some mysterious trade secret?
It depends on the guns, the target, target aspect, etc. (i.e. alot of things).
'Vulching' with a Bf 109G-6 or Bf 109G-10 with a spinner MK 108 as your only cannon you could get 20-30 kills assuming you didn't run out of fuel. Hold your fire until you are close and 1 'tap' on 'Der Thumper' is almost a sure kill vs. any fighter.
A Fw 190A-8 with outboard MG 151/20 replaced with MK 108 - "Fugheddaboutit". WAY better than a Caddy. :)
.50 MG US aircraft can do really well - you get pilot kills all the time when strafing aircraft on the ground with a big bank of wing-mounted .50 MGs.
In general, the lower the deflection the farther out you can open fire. A straight and level target at 350 is in real danger from a MK 108 in the spinner of a Bf 109 if the Bf 109 driver has any practice with that weapon. Breaking across the nose of your attacker at 550-600 @ 350 MPH IAS the 3cm is almost no threat but a good shot in a P-51D, F4U w/.50 MGs, F6F-5, or P-47 could score some mortal hits on your aircraft *assuming you break in a straight line without passing through the vertical* ('wink...wink...nudge...nudge).
If you get in close and your guns are set to the proper convergance you can score a kill with a quick burst in almost any fighter in AH (Spitfure I and Hurricane I are the only 2 you might have problems with).
And remember - if you are wings level when the target passes through your gunsite pipper scoring hits is a matter of timing alone no matter how fast the target is travelling or the angle of the target's 'break'. This means if you have ammunition to 'burn' you can 'start the hose' early and let the target fly right thru the stream of fire. It works great against a target when you predict his trying to force an overshoot with a rolling scissors (many people try this, only a few do it well enough to avoid getting killed when their pursuer 'doesn't bite' at the start of the scissors).
Mike/wulfie
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9 in a p47d-30, but crashed 30feet short of runway, was outta gas and coasting for about 5 mins.
Had 9 in a 109g10, all b17's
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what? proximity kills don't count? well.... nevermind then.
lazs
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Landed 10 in a P-40 last night. Some tard thought the best way to get rid of a lone vulcher was to run him out of ammo. The sweetest part was when he followed me back into my CV ack knowing I was out of ammo for the 10th kill.
MiniD
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I'm the tard, Mini D, and it was fun watching you racking up that score. Running vulchers out of ammo is another of those controversial gaming questions. I knew you'd get another charge out of chasing you into the cv ack.
This is another example of how complicated scoring questions can be. How skilled are the opponents/victims? Are they toying with attackers or trying desperately to survive?
No matter how fervently particpants discuss the merits of one approach over another, Aces High will always remain a cyber playground where each participant determines how he or she will game the game.
Regarding vulching, I'm always impressed on many fields in Combat Theater where attackers will sometimes wait for opponents to take off from fields and gain commensurate altitude before engaging instead of just gangbanging to rack up scores where no apparent field capture is intended.
Likewise they often and disengage after a good duel when a worthy foe runs out of ammo or fuel.
But that is just another aspect of Aces High.
This thread is becoming really interesting for the tactics required to achieve high scores in one sortie. One of the most impressive so far is the extreme conservation of ammo, e.g., expending only a few cannon shells at a time for kills.
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Halo, I watched the whole film and this thread is indeed becoming really interesting for the tactics required to achieve high scores in one sortie. A tard that would up, and up, and up to be demolished by a P40?
I'm the tard, Mini D, and it was fun watching you racking up that score. Running vulchers out of ammo is another of those controversial gaming questions.
Huh? You beat up that guys fist with your nose?
Fool.
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As soon as all vulchers run out of ammo the vulchee has won the fight for his field. Defence is again able to stop troops from taking it. It's a perfectly valid tacitic to follow the purpose of the game ("Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High.") It's only a bad thing in the mind of a few score potatos.
Playing according to the defined purpose and racking up high scores in some categories are mutually exclusive.
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2 without rearming, 1 was a proxy.
Had 3 in a row but that was with 2 re-arms. Two were vulches, and 1 was a proxy.
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Thanks, ccvi, you get the point clearly.
Creamo, why louse up a good post with the epitaph "Fool"?
There are many other threads about field capture. The point in this scoring thread is that one way to defend fields against unfavorable odds is to exhaust the attackers by whatever means possible.
And one effect of that might be some gimme or freebie scores. Nothing intrinsically wrong or right with that -- it's a matter of tactics and strategy.
It helps demonstrate the limitations of ammo alone in achieving high scores in one sortie. Ten kills of an easy target. Not 15 or 20, "just" 10. Makes you really appreciate higher scores that presumably are mostly not from stationary targets.
If I were Mini D attacking me, I would have done exactly what he did. Take what the foe gives you and try to survive. He got a high score and I got some more personal info for this thread.
Few things are more personally fulfilling than helping successfully defend underdog fields under overwhelming attack. The main guarantee is that if you defend predictably as expected, the field soon will be lost.
This also confirms that after this thread is completed, hopefully showing something like the max number of kills than can be expected in one sortie including vulching, the most impressive thread will be a new one on max number of fighter air to air kills against only other fighters -- no attack, no bombers, no vulchers, no aa, no ships, nothing except other fighters airborne and ready to fight.
Matter of fact, I'll start that thread now.
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i had 9 kills in a N1K2-J and landed it
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LOL! Halo... that's one of the biggest loads of trash I've ever read.
I usually record my flights and was cutting out the vulch session with you being the willing victim and noticed you'd come up in an M16 from the VH (which was still up) prior to launching in the A6M2. That would have been smart.
A p-40 is no threat at a field. Absolutely zero. My presence there had nothing to do with capturing the field... only vulching. Basically, you rewarded that behavior. Basically, it's people like you that somehow grandize yourselves as some kind of strategic masterminds when all you really are is targets. Take the target away and there's nothing to kill. You either bore the vulcher or the lone P-40 manages to take out... what... 3 stuctures using his guns?
Sheesh. Call it what you want... as long as you don't try to play it off as strategically, tactically or even remotely smart.
But... thanks for being there. Guys like you make vulching worthwhile.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Halo
Running vulchers out of ammo is another of those controversial gaming questions.
LOL OMG what has AH become, how bout you make it your goal to actually shoot him down instead... :rolleyes:
WTG MiniD!!! :)
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Hmmm, spectating while a P-40 vulched my stationary Zeke has gotten a longer life than I expected. As I watched the vulcher zoom in time and time again, I wondered and decided to test the following:
1. This is a good thread experiment -- how many kills can a vulcher get of a stationary aircraft target on the runway before running out of ammo?
Answer: 9 in a P-40 (10 including the ship ack finale)
2. Would the vulcher realize the target was just sitting there, might be a trap or some other ruse, and go on to more productive things?
Answer: No.
3. Would the vulcher fight against other targets (another plane eventually chased him) or try to land the gimme kills?
Answer: Land the gimme kills.
4. Would the vulcher post these gimme kills in this thread?
Answer: Yes.
5. Would the vulcher be more happy or unhappy about the easy kills?
Answer: Unhappy.
6. Would the vulcher mention the victim's name?
Answer: No (just "Some Tard").
7. Would the vulcher accept or understand the tactic?
Answer: No.
8. Would the vulcher think if the victim was serious about catching him, the victim would choose to chase him in a slow Zeke and then fly into cv ack?
Answer: Yes.
9. Would the vulcher understand he was the subject of an experiment and accept that without maligning the test?
Answer: No.
10. Where should the vulcher's flight film be sent?
Answer: Candid Camera.
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WOW!
So do you, like ever actually get to play the game in between all that philophising...
Anywall I'm sure Creamo will appreciate your last post more than I....
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LOL Halo!
OMFG... I can't believe you posted that. I'll just reply with this:
Spawning in an attempt to run someone out of ammo is stupid. (http://www.dbstaines.com/film657_2543.zip)
MiniD
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24 in a Chog on one tank of gas and ammo.
With re-arm, 41 in a spit-V. About 6 re-arms in like 1.5 hours or so.
Most with no ammo; 6 or 7 in a 109G-10. Fought and killed 2 planes, then de-acked a base, got 1 or 2 vulch kills, then was out of ammo. Ended up with 10 kills and the belly ache from laughing so hard. Dudes were crackin up trying to avoid my mock vulches with no ammo!
Most from a bug/glitch; over 10 in a C-47!
eskimo
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Last night in the CT, I got 7 kills with the Yak 9T's 37 mm. 32 rounds, 7 kills. Died trying to furball with the single 12.7.
eskimo
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Good ones, Eskimo2, including the mock vulching and Yak-9T cannon.
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(taxiing Zeke to end of runway, sitting there with engine idling, looking up and back at vulcher suddenly yanking and banking to set up the swoop)
(opens the canopy, pastes some more brightly colored feathers on his wingtips, tosses a rope with a large treble hook on to the runway behind him)
(yanks hook once) a guy with 5,443 posts says to a guy with 331 posts: "So do you, like ever actually get to play the game in between all that philophising..."
(yanks hook again) a guy with 2,932 posts whose avatar shows him bashing his head against his computer screen, who posted in a top kill thread 10 mostly freebie kills against a stationary target, who "usually records" his flights, posts the film of his 10-kill accomplishment against the stationary target on the runway.
Ask not for whom the zeke trolls -- it trolls for thee.
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Watch the film oh master of controlling the situation. You used one of the weakest planes in the arsenal making more vulches possible. You then proceded to follow a plane you had no real chance of catching for an entire sector knowing he was out of ammo... in hopes of getting a revenge kill... even to the point of following him into his CV ack. Totally abandoning the base you were "defending".
I know you think what you were doing was smart and clever. Trust me... it was neither.
Getting vulch kill sessions like that is a difficult thing. Most of the time you get the ack down, nobody spawns at the field. They are smart enough to come up from the field next door and come in with some alt. Or... the person plays cat and mouse games exiting and reappearing. Or... the person just grabs an ostwind and brings it to the party instead. No... you were much smarter... you offered a reward in an attempt to... um... offer more rewards. It's rare that you run across the perfect vulchee. Most people just aren't that dumb.
MiniD
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You know... this thread is pretty funny.
Halo, you are a tard. Did you really start this thread to watch and see how many people started chest thumping about kill streaks? And how many of those were vulches? I find that you were trying to make any kind of statement in this regard quite amusing.
I posted a link to a film taken after you started this thread. Where you repeatedly upped from a capped field then started talking trash on channel 1. I seldomely remember incidents where I got alot of kills on a sortie unless something else made it memorable... such as a tard I just shot down spouting off about how it was skilless. I keep the film rolling all the time because you never know what kind of gems you're going to find in the MA.
I don't recall many threads started by guys saying "WOOHOO! I JUST VULCHED SOMEONE A BUNCH OF TIMES!" Even you had to insert your own name to attempt to make a point. The problem is, you highlighted why vulching is possible and you don't even realise it. You tried to defend a field and were shot down. You tried to re-up and were shot down 4 more times. THEN you turn it into a "I'll just sit here and laugh at you while you kill me" thing for no real reason other than to have something to point to in this thread... when you could have just not launched and had the same impact. Oh well... you seem to be headstrong on proving something.
MiniD
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11 in a Jug (-30)...all air to air and amazingly almost all la-7's (guess I caught drexitis for a day:))
I had 13 on Friday night but it was in a nikki so it doesn't count...but nine of em were B-26's ( I hate those things). They were low level bombing and I strafed all three formations...I know I got three (lead on all three) but dont know if ack got others or they augered when leader went in or other guys attacking died before they went in. I hit all nine but was a bit suprised...the other 4 were "escorts" with the bombers.
Think I had another 11 kill run in an la-7 back a few tours. I'm always amazed at the furball streaks. my SA just wont hold up in that enviornment. I had a couple of 5-6 kill runs in an FM-2 at 220 yesterday but always fall to the guy I didnt see coming...got both of em back to the carrier with a clipped wing but did the slingshot off the backend both times :(.
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In one flight no vulches:
14 - F4U-1D
14 - FW190A8
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You can LAND kills?:confused: :confused: :confused:
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Status Report 2: If I am reading these posts correctly, here are the leaders in kills after only ONE sortie (NO rearm, NO refuel, fighter only):
AHGOD, Chog, 42
Wulfie, P-47D30, 26
Furball, Chog, 26
Citabria, Me262, 25
Gatso, Chog, 25
Ack-Ack, P-38L, 24
Eskimo2, Chog, 24
Load, 190A8, 24
Steve, "Pony" (B or D?), 21
Skurj, 110G2, 20
These are the only pilots with 20 or more kills, and only their highest single total score is mentioned (some also have other sorties above 20). Let me know any corrections needed.
CHOGs are four of the top 10. Most aircraft are heavy firepower or good endurance or both.
There are many other impressive scores for one sortie, including some with such light firepower as the C202. Keep 'em coming to give people an idea what a single fighter sortie can accomplish.
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Originally posted by Halo
including some with such light firepower as the C202. Keep 'em coming to give people an idea what a single fighter sortie can accomplish.
8 in a 202, in the CT. I think I've hit 6 and 7 in it as well.
eskimo
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24 in a p38, 2-3 vulches
23 in chog 3-5 vulches
20 temp all air to air
with re-arm in p38 once had 32 following Lazer around, think he made 38 or so.
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Guarantee Steve was in the "D" Halo. ;)
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11 in a p51b.
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The talented TnB guy, BNM, is correct!
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20 in a LA 5. I beat up on a couple of newbies in Ju-88's.
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lets see the ones I can remember
11 in dpony including 2 262's and a 163 buff escort run on bish hq baltic map
14 in a d9
8 in a nik just the other day and all of them in a bout 4 min span
cv furball what a blast our base only had 25% fuel
9 in a fm2
8 in a hurri2
24 in a p47d30 ok they were all vulches but I was the only one there and they were upping like crazy most had wheels up but still vultches.
11 in a 262 7 were buffs
7 in a b17 single buff long time ago before formations
8 in a mossy furballing cherry pickin
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Status Report 3: If I am reading these posts correctly, here are the leaders in kills after only ONE sortie (NO rearm, NO refuel, fighter only):
AHGOD, Chog, 42
Wulfie, P-47D30, 26
Furball, Chog, 26
Citabria, Me262, 25
Gatso, Chog, 25
Ack-Ack, P-38L, 24
Eskimo2, Chog, 24
Icemaw, P-47D30, 24
Load, 190A8, 24
NHattila, P-38, 24
Steve, P-51D, 21
Skurj, 110G2, 20
Slash27, La5, 20
These 13 the only pilots reporting 20 or more kills, and only their highest single total score is mentioned (some also have other sorties above 20). Let me know any corrections needed.
Chogs are four of the top seven, including first and tied for second, third, and fourth. Wasn't Chog the aircraft that started the clamor for perks? Most aircraft are heavy firepower or good endurance or both.
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If I am reading these posts correctly, AHGOD can post a film of just 30 kills in a CHOG without rearming, against real reds in MA conditions, and win a free month of AH from me.
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alright the title of most 1 kill sorties belongs to merlin01. 52 kills in a pt boat.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_115_1062950287.jpg)
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Originally posted by Halo
Most aircraft are heavy firepower or good endurance or both.
Endurance doesn't really matter in most of those cases I think.
I was shooting guys on the runway with no AAA to defend them. I returned to base because I ran out of all types of ammunition. I don't think that P-47 took a single hit.
Heavy firepower only matters because you are competing to inflict the most damage on some poor schmuck when 2 or 3 guys are shooting at him within a second or two of when he appears on the runway.
k/d, k/t, k/s are even more skewed now because there is no small # of 'experts' in the MA that make a practice out of following strikes aimed at airfields. Their only purpose on almost all of their missions is to rack up as many kills as quickly as possible with as little 'fighting' as possible. Shooting enemy aircraft on takeoff at a field with no operational AAA is their primary 'skill' in terms of AH.
I was flying as part of a squadron during the AH 'top gun contest'. A couple of the newer guys in the squadron would sit in the tower for an hour or two, because flying a sortie before 'the perfect situation arose' would adversely affect their rank. I decided that I had finally seen enough when I found out that guys from the same squadron were changing sides and repeatedly spawinging at a location that their 'buddy' was covering while flying for a different team so they could give their 'buddy' huge kill streaks and a great k/t and k/d ranking.
You know you have run into someone good when you catch them alone on the deck and you have them 1 or 2 or 3 on 1 with the 1 or 2 or 3 all having superior E-states. You know the guy is good when he should be dead almost instantly and he turns it into a serious fight. That is the only thing that can not be 'gamed' or 'artificially boosted'. Unfortunately there is no 'stat' that can show that.
An interesting 'stat' would be how long a 'kill' was 'in the air' before it was shot down.
Maybe in the future there will be a way to calculate the ratio of friendly to enemy aircraft within a 5 or 10 mile radius at the time of a kill.
Both 'stats' would show 'what is really happening' with more (but not near total) accuracy.
I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with 'spawn camping'. Sometimes it is fun to just blow up a ton of airplanes. Call it 'quake fever'. Some here speak of 'quake players' as some sort of inferior life form but there are times when playing quake on an insane CTF server is more fun than AH. It depends on your mood. And there is for certain skill involved with FPS games. If individual soldiers are ever modeled I cannot wait to hear the howls of the 'realism battalion' when 1 red hot quake player outmoves and outshoots 15 'sky accountants' (ask lazs for a definition of that one :)) carrying rifles and single handedly takes an airfield.
Sometimes it is fun to shoot La-7s with a Tiger I as they begin to take off.
Sometimes it is fun to do almost anything that can be done in AH.
The problem arises when people begin to 'Go McNamara' and directly equate some combination of statistics with overall (ACM, gunnery, SA, JM drinking tolerance) skill.
If you want to get really good go get in really bad situations and learn to survive and win. Your k/d will suck for a long time. So what.
Mike/wulfie
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While we're at it.. how many 4-engine bombers have you guys been able to drop with C.202 in a sortie? :D
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i win :p
(http://r1329776.hostultra.com/Uploads/302kills.bmp)
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Originally posted by Wadke
i win :p
(http://r1329776.hostultra.com/Uploads/302kills.bmp)
wadke it was 302 times 302
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the most kills i have gotten in a sortie with out re-arming is 9 kills in a La-7 :rolleyes:
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"The sun rose twice that day"
9,345 kills in a 10 megaton Hydrogen bomb that was strapped to my AR234. I don't know which percentage were ground or air as it happened too quickly.
:D
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I don't keep count anymore..
did 9 and 8 in a 202. Think I did 14 once, but it was a reload.
+-35 in a D9 three times, vulching except for one.
43 in a 262, 1 reload. 30 with 1 reload untill 4-5 of the guys I was killing over and over (all a2a) ganged me into a corner like a helpless schoolgirl.
28 and 24 in a 205, 1 reload each.
24 in an A8... Lazerus did 25.
know I did some big single-sorties in 152, tempest and chog (mb 28 vulching), but it was too long ago.
can do near 20 on 1 GV killing sortie and 15 on nothing but tanks with the mossie pretty often.
did 78 in a tempest in about 5-10min of H2H vulching.
+-13 by true a2a dogfight at least five times in a D11, but died rather than snailing back to rearm.
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Originally posted by Halo
Status Report 1: If I am reading these posts correctly, here are the leaders in kills after only ONE sortie (NO rearm, NO refuel, fighter only):
AHGOD, CHOG, 42
This I seriously doubt - My best 1 sortie, no rearm in a CHOG is 30; this was with 1 DT, 1000lber and the 4 rocks. I got a kill with each ordinance (10), thats dropping them on buff formations taking off :) (right place, right time)
A few A2A kills and the rest Vulchin.
Needless to say, and lucky or not, please post the films to such extravagant tales :aok
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16 F4U-1
13 P-38
12 Yak-9u
No reloads
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5, and damned proud of it!:lol
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Add 28 while in a ME-110 G-2
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13 in a Yak9U is the one that really stands out.
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Landed 22 in a B26. I was empty and just a flyin around. Suckers will allways try for an "easy" shot at three buffs.
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Status Report 4: If I am reading these posts correctly, here are the leaders in kills after only ONE sortie (NO rearm, NO refuel, fighter only):
AHGOD, Chog, 42 (challenged by several; 28 in 110 G-2)
Black Sheep, Chog, 30
Wulfie, P-47D30, 26
Furball, Chog, 26
Citabria, Me262, 25
Gatso, Chog, 25
Ack-Ack, P-38L, 24
Eskimo2, Chog, 24
Icemaw, P-47D30, 24
Load, 190A8, 24
Moot, 190A8, 24
NHattila, P-38, 24
Steve, P-51D, 21
Skurj, 110G2, 20
Slash27, La5, 20
WldThing, Typhoon, 20
These 16 the only pilots reporting 20 or more kills exactly (no approximations), and only their highest single total score is mentioned (some also have other sorties above 20). Let me know any corrections needed.
Not included are plus/minus approximations or unofficial reports by second parties.
Chogs are five of the top eight, including first and second, and tied for third, fourth and fifth. Wasn't Chog the aircraft that started the clamor for perks? Most aircraft are heavy firepower or good endurance or both.
Note in the thread several impressive scores in the teens by lightly armed fighters, especially the Yak-9U.
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38 in a goon.
i was taking off right when a bish tiffikaze raid came tearing in.
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i got stuck behind enemy lines once in an ostie, and though i didn't land em, I had sixty plus kills. They finally got sick of me and upped three bomber formations and wiped me out but it was like a kid ina candy shop for a while. The famous Oink of the Pigs on the Wing Sqaudron resounded in the hills that day!
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22 in a Chog - no rearms. Have the movie if interested.
The Wolf
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Originally posted by Black Sheep
This I seriously doubt - My best 1 sortie, no rearm in a CHOG is 30; this was with 1 DT, 1000lber and the 4 rocks. I got a kill with each ordinance (10), thats dropping them on buff formations taking off :) (right place, right time)
A few A2A kills and the rest Vulchin.
Needless to say, and lucky or not, please post the films to such extravagant tales :aok
Black sheep watch some of the kills I land in the MA. I have no need to make anything up. Hell yesterday landed 22 in 110G2 1 sortie. I don't film anything as I find it rather useless. Ask those around though of my kill streaks and you will see that is all ok.
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OMG too funny.:lol
Voss your crackin me up
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Um.. 8 in an IL2 back when i had rudder control to use the cannons effectively, no reloads
9 in a Ju87 w/ reloads killin GVs (1 1k and the two wing bombs)
Hum..
Think those are the biggest..
This tour si my altmonkey tour, so they might get a wee bit higher.. :D
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oh ok voss
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This will be my last post on the BB... see you guys in the main arena unless the moderators have at us there as well...
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Originally posted by twitchy
This will be my last post on the BB... see you guys in the main arena unless the moderators have at us there as well...
ooooo that must chafe yer chaps.
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Originally posted by twitchy
This will be my last post on the BB... see you guys in the main arena unless the moderators have at us there as well...
A whining DOLT....
In Latin that would be a Whinerous Doltipussious?
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