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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: B17Skull12 on August 30, 2003, 06:50:20 PM
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ive been told like 6 times today fly the temp instead of spit14. during my days of H2H everyone hated people who flew temps and never really did all that well in it. well i flew my second sortie today in the spit14.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_115_1062287303.jpg):D .
after that people start telling me to fly the temp.i go to operation iceberg. after that i tell them im going to fly spit14 im MA again. again i get told to fly tempest. IMO spit14 is better than temp. what is yours?
skull12
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1on1 Spitfire vs Tempest, the Spit most likely wins. In the MA and it's typical fighting altitudes,however, the Tempest is a lot more efficient. It outruns and outguns the Spitfire, accelerates better and has better visibility over the nose plus carries more ammo.
So... you better fly the Tempest instead :D
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Well, for a neophite I would recommend the spit... but for a player, it's the Tempest. The cannons on the Tempy make a world of difference, IF you can shoot. Plus the Tempy is actually a better E-fighter. That Spitty 14 is junk imo... I've killed too many in a simple 190A5 to think they are something special.
Yes, they didn't know how to fly it, GOD I love finding a spitdweeb in a 14... when they try to turn, I know I got the kill, lmao.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
ive been told like 6 times today fly the temp instead of spit14. during my days of H2H everyone hated people who flew temps and never really did all that well in it. well i flew my second sortie today in the spit14.
after that people start telling me to fly the temp.i go to operation iceberg. after that i tell them im going to fly spit14 im MA again. again i get told to fly tempest. IMO spit14 is better than temp. what is yours?
skull12
Quite a few don't know how to fly the Spitfire Mk XIV and try to fly it like they'd fly the V or the Mk IX and a lot are also scared away by its torque, especially at low speeds. The Tempest is a better aircraft at lower altitudes, it's faster and carries more bang for the buck but the Spitfire Mk XIV performs better at higher altitudes. One more little tip, do not fly the Spitfire Mk XIV as a turn fighter like you'd do with the V and the Mk IX models, it just doesn't turn as well as they do. It's best flown like you'd fly the P-51D, use its quick acceleration and high speed to your advantage.
Ack-Ack
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ask soda on thursday. he taugh me alot about the spit14. you dont want to go in a downhill battle in a spit14. you want to use that engine it has to go in a uphil battle. it you do the right things it will beat almost any plane. im still learn the ACM for it.
skull12
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The SpitXIV is by far the most dynamic fighter in the game, thankfully most people dont know how to fly it...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The SpitXIV is by far the most dynamic fighter in the game, thankfully most people dont know how to fly it...
agree:) but "spit14" icon works for everyone as glue;)
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agree:) but "spit14" icon works for everyone as glue;)
agreed. i was hanging around a base beenin vulching waiting to land my kills i was low. n1k ups out of about 20 aircraft he heads for the spit14 icon. i go up he tries to and he tries to. he is then killed by another friendly. im at 182 in my spit14. ton of planes see me. they all try to get up to me but i have to rtb because of dinner.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
One more little tip, do not fly the Spitfire Mk XIV as a turn fighter like you'd do with the V and the Mk IX models,
Ack-Ack
Who turn fights in a spitIX if they dont have to? It burns my heart to see this...
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The problem with the Spit 14 is that when some dweeb sees the icon, a whole dweeb horde suddenly appears and attacks it, just so the Spit will lose perks.
IMO the icon should be fixed to just say 'Spit'.
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Tell the truth. The real reason you made this post is to get hints on what your doing wrong right? If you really know the 109g10 like you say then you should do better in the spit 14 than you did that last sortie. The spit 14 out performs the 109g10 in top speed higher up, climb performance, and goes to higher altitude. I bet you wont ho in it though.
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We came up after you skull? hmm never noticed that...
But if the field was being vulched.. how come you wouldn't go below 10k... and only landed 2 kills..?
I saw ya up there... by the time I ended that sortie where I was buggin ya I had 15 kills, including a Temp and a Spit14... :D
SpitXIV suffers from same fate as alot of the perk rides... the tag. Alotta freebie planes can catch the sp14 at the normal combat alts in AH, and they will make the attempt to do so...
Often the spit14 is used by accident, its easy to select XIV stead of IX i guess... seen it time and time again... vulched a few too..
1 v 1 at any alt its probably one of the best planes in the set...
1 v many... gimme something faster...
SKurj
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wasn't that sortie that i landed 2 kills. was just before operation iceberg was about to start. and i had to rtb on dinner. i was hanging up there for someone to check if ack was down otherwise i would have drop in for a kill or 2.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The SpitXIV is by far the most dynamic fighter in the game, thankfully most people dont know how to fly it...
Until you get to 25k or higher where the P-51B accelerates faster, climbs as fast or faster, out-turns the SpitXIV and is at least as fast. Best of all, no perks required. The P-51B is possibly the best fighter in the game at 20-30k, with the marginal exception of the
exception of the Ta 152.
My regards,
Widewing
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Give me a Spit IX at 25k+ and I'll mug the hell out of anything dumb enough to fight me.
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Originally posted by jamusta
Who turn fights in a spitIX if they dont have to? It burns my heart to see this...
The ones that think it's a Spitfire so it must be a good turner type of people.
ack-ack
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Tell the truth. The real reason you made this post is to get hints on what your doing wrong right? If you really know the 109g10 like you say then you should do better in the spit 14 than you did that last sortie. The spit 14 out performs the 109g10 in top speed higher up, climb performance, and goes to higher altitude. I bet you wont ho in it though.
well the field i was getting my kills from was being vulched. they were way to the south coming to defend the field. not to mess with the poor old spit14. i went to soda for help. he taugh me alot about the plane. otherwise i would have already lost 1 if i had not gone to him for help. ohh well just my first day flying it tommorow will be better.
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Here are the facts, I leave editorial to others:
http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/totalstats.php
This tour so far:
Spitfire 14 487 Kills 361 Deaths K/D 1.35
Tempest 2213 Kills 476 Deaths K/D 4.65
Any questions?
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Chute: 2984 kills 0 deaths 2984.00 K/D ratio
So everyone can cleary see that a parachute is the most deadly fighter in the game. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Chute: 2984 kills 0 deaths 2984.00 K/D ratio
So everyone can cleary see that a parachute is the most deadly fighter in the game. :D
That is an overall score including all categories. Come back with true figures.
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imo the tempest is the best fighter in the game judging by the way the fight is in the MA, as already said the spit 14 is misused. The version we have is a high alt fighter, it may suck on the deck but get it above 20k and its an absolute beast.
Now..... This is the version we really need to go around making lala dweebs whine
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_60_1058182607.jpg)
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Originally posted by AHGOD
That is an overall score including all categories. Come back with true figures.
I think I made my point just fine. :D
"Stats can be misleading. :eek: (Say it ain't so, Arlo!)"
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Depends on your flying style. If you are careful and patient, spit 14 is a good choice. But if you are agressive, get tempest. I prefer tempest for this reason, it let you to mess with 5 guys, kill 3 and get home after this. In spit you will mess with 5 guys, kill 3 and die.
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Originally posted by Fariz
Depends on your flying style. If you are careful and patient, spit 14 is a good choice. But if you are agressive, get tempest. I prefer tempest for this reason, it let you to mess with 5 guys, kill 3 and get home after this. In spit you will mess with 5 guys, kill 3 and die.
Exactly, tempest makes it much easier to run home when the dweeb horde is after you.
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There is no need to run away in the Spit XIV, you just climb away, in fact its simply amazing to see 3 or 4 tempests simply stall away under you on the deck as you spiral away from them with ease... :)
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well i got 1 more kills today but i was vulching:( .
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Put a Spit V/IX pilot in the Spit XIV and it's meat. Put a 109 pilot in the Spit XIV and it's deadly. Nothing with a prop climbs like the XIV below 5k, in the mid-alt range you got to look out for 109G10's as they will out climb and out run you. Above 20K you only need to worry about other perk planes like the Ta152 and Temp, although you will match them.
EDIT: You'll need to watch out for the 109G10 above 20K too, but it will have only little if any advantage over you in the climb/speed aspect.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There is no need to run away in the Spit XIV, you just climb away, in fact its simply amazing to see 3 or 4 tempests simply stall away under you on the deck as you spiral away from them with ease... :)
Sure, but that is why I say that you shall be patient and careful. Let anything came higher than you while something under you, and you are most likely dead. Flying Spit XIV is a matter of patience as with all pure energy planes, while Tempest can be used in mixed role, and even after fight still have energy to dive its nose down, and accelerate out of fight.
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furball is that the spit18?
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Amendment to my post: The Tempest is no threat above 20k. It's the Ta152 and 109G10 you need to worry about.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
furball is that the spit18?
The picture i posted is : Supermarine Spitfire XIVE MV293 Painted as Grp Capt 'Johnnie' Johnson's MV268.
This is an XVIII
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_60_1058182659.jpg)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There is no need to run away in the Spit XIV, you just climb away, in fact its simply amazing to see 3 or 4 tempests simply stall away under you on the deck as you spiral away from them with ease... :)
That works great,....except when an enemy arrives above you while you are slowly climbing away from the horde beneath you (burning rapidly through your precious five minutes of WEP to do so) and sees your "kill me SPIT14 icon". Now your are between faster aircraft below you, a higher energy aircraft above you and running out of WEP. A Spitfire Mk XIV without WEP is mediocre at best.
In my experience the Spitfire Mk XIV usually runs into that scenario if you are fighting in an area that has anything like heavy activity. My greatest successes in it have come from solo hunting in low activity sectors. It lacks the fuel range for this really, but at least you can withdraw if you have to.
My suggestion to fix the Spitfire Mk XIV (given perk tags are here to stay) would be to remodel it using 150 octane fuel. With 150 octane it could do 390mph on the deck.
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I love the spit14....but only cause it's a spit.:) My main ride last tour was the spit14, i racked up 263 kills in it a 1/4 of all spit14 kills that tour.
1 v 1 it's a fantastic ride, i had many great 1v1 fights. I could turn it pretty well.... almost aswell as a spit9. However in a multi con MA environment there are better rides for free. The spit14 just lacks a little speed to mix it up and then escape when you need to. Yes it has a fantastic climb but that doesn't help when there are cons above you. Also karnak pointed at that it only performs well with WEP....with which it only has 5 mins, it's performance is pretty poor without it for a '44 fighter.
It also has a few other weaknesses that people tend not to think about- It is a relatively large target that is relatively fragile, i got nailed 3 or 4 times from over 1k and ack got me 1 ping "oops there goes my stab" about the same amount of times too. Coupled with the spit14 icon people are even more likely to spray to kill you from extreme ranges.
The spit14s handling takes a while to get used to too. When i first started flying it i would lose it at slow speeds due to the massive torque. It took me quite while to get used to it to be confident enough to fly the spit14 to the edge of it's envelope.
I love the spit14 even if i don't believe it's worth the 60 perks.:) It is a good fighter but there are better for the MA.
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Originally posted by Karnak
That works great,....except when an enemy arrives above you while you are slowly climbing away from the horde beneath you (burning rapidly through your precious five minutes of WEP to do so) and sees your "kill me SPIT14 icon". Now your are between faster aircraft below you, a higher energy aircraft above you and running out of WEP. A Spitfire Mk XIV without WEP is mediocre at best.
In my experience the Spitfire Mk XIV usually runs into that scenario if you are fighting in an area that has anything like heavy activity. My greatest successes in it have come from solo hunting in low activity sectors. It lacks the fuel range for this really, but at least you can withdraw if you have to.
My suggestion to fix the Spitfire Mk XIV (given perk tags are here to stay) would be to remodel it using 150 octane fuel. With 150 octane it could do 390mph on the deck.
That would make somw sense but the they should add the 398 mph deck speed Fw190D9 as a perk.. :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
That would make somw sense but the they should add the 398 mph deck speed Fw190D9 as a perk.. :)
Sounds like a good perk plane to me.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There is no need to run away in the Spit XIV, you just climb away, in fact its simply amazing to see 3 or 4 tempests simply stall away under you on the deck as you spiral away from them with ease... :)
Glad to see someone else appreciates the truly best strength of the Spit9: it's upward spiral. It has saved my bacon many times, and I'm a piss-poor fighter pilit.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Until you get to 25k or higher where the P-51B accelerates faster, climbs as fast or faster, out-turns the SpitXIV and is at least as fast. Best of all, no perks required. The P-51B is possibly the best fighter in the game at 20-30k, with the marginal exception of the
exception of the Ta 152.
My regards,
Widewing
you forgot about the P38:-)
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well i lost 1 yesterday after my engine was hit from an a20 i was messing with and i was leaking grey smoke (raditaror is how you spell it? no something in that area of spelling) and so im rtb and engine goes out. ive got fighter cover and i decide to try for ditch........just as i stop i get vulched.
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Well past the time to change that signature Skull12..
Skurj
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ohh yeah! homework is first though!:)