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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on August 31, 2003, 01:03:55 PM
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I know I am :)
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there is not gonna be a retail "box" AH2.
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me i will.
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PC box as in pentium4 3 ghz w ati radeon 256mb 9800 pro and a gig of ram :)
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Depends on how much resources it is really going to need.
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Not me. Graphics card maybe.
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Building it right now
Abit IS7-G motherboard
512 kingston hyper x ddr400 3200 mem
P4 2.4 OC to 3.9 at 1200 FSB
Prometeia Phase change cooling.-50celcius
Leadtek G force 4600ti vid card
and soundblaster audigy ex sound card.
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Originally posted by Citabria
I know I am :)
What do you have right now?
I will get the Asus A7N8X deluxe, XP2600 and ATi Radeon 9800 Pro...
... but I sometimes wonder about whether I need to. I still get 60fps with my 2½ year old Athlon 1.2GHz.
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ya,,im going to get rid of my old geforce 2 and upgrade,,not sure what im getting yet,,i heard so many good and bad things about the radon9800,,like game shuttering and stuff like that
im stacking up atleast 256mb on top of the 512 of rambus i allready have,,,mite as well gear it up to last anothere few years,,,im runing a old pentuim 4,,1.4 gig,,,,intel850 chip set,,400meg front bus,,,<~~3 years ago it sure was top of the line,,now its slow,,but it will play games for atleast 2 more years{crosss fingers}
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Already building it...
GF4Ti4200 been in for about 3 weeks
A7N8X Deluxe sitting on table
RAM (1gb) and CPU (likely 2800+) next week and its done
SKurj
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I already have. :D
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have an athalon 1.7ghz and a gforce3 ti500 and 256 ram asus a7m266 mobo
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Yes here. Im going a cross between Citabrias and RC51s plans.
Stage 2 = 7 fan case + water and radiator.
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I'm building a new system but the incentive for it is Doom 3 and Half-Life 2, not AH.
ack-ack
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I think my AMD XP2700, GF3 128mb, and 1.5 gig of RAM will last me a while longer.
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(((TESTING TO SEE IF I'M STILL ON PROBATION)))
HAD TO BUY A NEW BOX JUST TO COME BACK TO AH LATE 2002.
DELL DIMENSION 8250...been pretty happy with it. I would recommend to anyone.
F4i
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How hard is it to build a computer and how much does it end up costing?
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Originally posted by Devourer
How hard is it to build a computer and how much does it end up costing?
It's easy. The only tools I've ever needed have been a small screwdriver set, a standard crosspoint screwdriver for those tougher screws, and a pair of long billed pliers - useful for extracting jumpers.
Get a decent, well ventilated case, and before you start, be sure to download the .PDF manual for the mobo you will get, plus all mobo drivers and OS updates (eg. SP4 for W2000 Pro). Getting everything to work can be interesting. Check the mobo manual and pay attention to IRQ conflicts etc. I would aim to make it as USB oriented as possible.
And remember - plenty of good chaps on this board to help you when you get stuck. :)
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How hard is it to build a computer
Not that hard... the following is a writeup I did for a WB buddy a few months ago: ( http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20782 for this system: http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishHistoryReview.asp?position=HISTORY&submit=VIEW&ID=314306 (vid card not included - he picked that up somewhere else) )
The case (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=11-150-017) has rolled edges for 90% of the exposed edges. The only sharp places are at the drive cutouts at the front of the case and at the backplane cutouts where the motherboard perihperal connectors go through.
1) put motherboard in removable motherboard tray - it has 6 standoffs that are in the correct spots for standard ATX Mobo, and has additional support clips to fit under other locations if you need them.
2) install processor and heatsink (flip up lever on ZIF socket - match CPU pattern to socket patter, drop in, flip ZIF lever down. Clip heatsink into retention clip, then flip the latches to lock it down - try to do both latches at once to avoid asymmetrical loading on the processor) Plug fan power into motherboard fan header near the CPU socket.
3) install RAM - open up the levers, push the stick into the slot, click into place such that the levers snap shut. The RAM is keyed so it can only go in one way. Be sure you have it right, then push firmly.
4) connect case connectors (LED's, switches, etc) to motherboard - do NOT use the slip of paper that comes with the case to make the connections. Follow the Motherboard manual. Note that the little black cylinder with a red wire and a black wire coming from it is the case speaker (for BIOS beeps, etc).
5) Connect front connect USB cable to motherboard USB header - the case connector labels do not exactly match what the motherboard calls them, but it can be figured out. Sort the "1" connectors from the "2" connectors. power to power. "+ to "+" "-" to "-" and ground to ground. (it will be clearer if you're looking at the connectors and the port header diagram while reading this)
7) swap out motherboard passthrough panel for the one that comes in the case. 50/50 they don't match. If they do, you can leave the one that came with the case in the case.
6) insert assembled motherboard tray into the case. Plug in power - primary motherboard power (biggest connector) and PIV power (small four pin connector)
7) install fans into case. (6/7 can be swapped - depending on where you are putting fans and access you want.)
8) install video card into AGP slot. (8/9 can be swapped - depending on room in case. For the Maxtop, there's enough room to do it either way.
9) install drives into drive bays. Be sure that all cabling reaches from the motherboard to the drives before you screw them down. Drives nowadays usually come set to "cable select" ("CS") using jumpers on the back of the drive. I typically override them to force master or slave as appropriate. If HD and CD are sharing an IDE cable, HD is master (MA), CD is slave (SL). If CD and CDRW are sharing an IDE cable, I don't think it matters - just make sure one is master and one is slave.
10) install drive cabling. Everything nowadays is keyed to make it difficult if not impossible to install the cable the wrong way. Also if you have 3-pin fans, attach as many as you can to the fan headers on the motherboard (typically Motherboards have 1 or two additional fan headers for case fans) ANy remaining fans, attach using adapters (if necessary) to 4 pin 12 volt Molex connectors (the biggish ones that connect to drives). Also, hook up the CD sound cable to the CD-in on the motherboard, and if the motherboard has an aux-in jack, plug the CD-RW sound cable into that one
11) double check drive cabling and power leads. connect monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers to the motherboard.
12) start system - it should go directly to BIOS to confirm your processor speed. In BIOS - set BOOT order to CD-ROM first, HD- second. Leave everything else at default, for now. Put WINXP in CD tray, Save and Exit BIOS, which will reboot system.
13) When system boots, it will ask to boot from HD or CD, boot from CD, then if given the choice (i.e. if it doesn't do it automagically), start WinXP setup and install WinXP - when asked, do not use FAT32 - use NTFS file system.
14) after windows installs itself, install motherboard drivers (shipset, sound, LAN) from CD - reboot after each individual install - don't do all three at once. Then install Video Card drivers. There may be an AGP driver for the motherboard - typically you install the AGP driver after you install the video driver. Why, I dunno, but thats the way the last 3 different motherboards I installed did it (SiS based systems).
15) Go online and grab windows updates and DirectX9. Shut case.
16) Install software and controllers and play WB.
Should take just under 4 hours, since this is your first build.
Good luck!
So, its really not that complicated.
As for price - it depends on what you put in it. YOu can build a competent gaming rig for about 700-800 bucks. And you can build a screaming HOT one for about 1300.
BB
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just build my new one a couple of weeks ago :p
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My system can run wwiiol at 70-90fps so guess I'm ok :D
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AH2 no way. Try that "Call of Duty" demo. Turned into a slide show on my current machine with AA and AS full blast.
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According to Skuzzy you probably won't need it. He said AH2 will be more 'video card' reliant than 'processor' reliant. I have a P3 1gig and a 9700 pro. I think I'll probably keep the same 45-65 fps, might even gain a little, who knows. Just have to wait and see...
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I'm building a new system but the incentive for it is Doom 3 and Half-Life 2, not AH.
ack-ack
Is Half-Life 2 out yet?
Just finished Splinter Cell and will be looking soon. Enjoyed all the Half-Life's, would really like to see a Thief 3 too. :)
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I was using a P-2 350 until the begining of this year. A relative gave me this 1.4 athelon. I'll probably upgrade around AH-3 when my frame rate gets down to under 10 again.
eskimo
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im just gonna drop a gforce fx into my current box (if i can)
if i cant then ill drop in a gforce4...either way i'll be set for another 2-3 years...
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I suppose upgrades will depend on what you own now.
The Target system is a 900mhz machine. I dont remember the Vid Card, But it wasnt a high end one either. the Goal is to have it run smoothly on that machine.
This means an older Box should still work, but the frame rates might be a bit low. I believe the eye sees something around 30 frames per minute. So having 40 frames would look the same as having 300.
At CON, I believe AH2 was installed on cheapy E-machine. all onboard stuff, Id guess it was like a 1.5 celeron. It ran smooth as silk.
So If your already running a Gig or better box, I think an upgrade on the system, just for AH2 would be a waste of money. Hitech claimed a Video Card to be a better investment.
I personaly am thinking of upgrading to something around 2 Gig, But it has nothing to do with AH2. My 1.1 box works like a charm as well.
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"so, its really not that complicated."
Hehe, if i built my own comp it would prolly blow up.
But the price does sound right....
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Gonna use current audio computer... AMD xp2700, Radeon 9800 / 1.5 GB ram..
I am sure having AH on this PC has been work detterant, but luckily I bill by the hour for editing........30 mins work....2 hours of AH play.
Total - 2.5 Hours Billed :)
kinda like getting payed to play :::::)
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I want your job :)
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Originally posted by Devourer
How hard is it to build a computer and how much does it end up costing?
If you can make toast, and follow instructions its not that hard. If cost is a primary concern, you can go VERY cheap and still get a very fast machine.
On the Ultra easy Ultra Cheap:
Buy a pre-built Emachine T2341 for $399 (it has a nice athlon)
Install an extra 256 stick O ram $40
Install good AGP card to match (GF4 TI4200)$140
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Thats under $600 and it will be great for most games and should even play HL2 and Doom3 reasonably. Keep in mind a larger HD would be nice too...but you can just add the one you have now! Ive got this as my 2nd gaming computer, and it screams for the price.
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Originally posted by BNM
Is Half-Life 2 out yet?
Just finished Splinter Cell and will be looking soon. Enjoyed all the Half-Life's, would really like to see a Thief 3 too. :)
Half-Life 2 supposed to be out around October-November, in time for the Christman season.
ack-ack
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I'll probably put together a Barton core Athlon and a Radeon 9800 Pro for AH2, HL2 and other newer games.
Word and C++ just doesn't demand it though.;)
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Just recently updated for quiite a low budget really. Funnily enough I ran out of spare cash for a new 'Box' but managed to change almost everything inside it! hehe
same old dusty cream coloured dreary tower case but a lovely 2.2GHz Athlon, Great AK77-8XN mobo (400mhz FSB) 512K of 400MHZ DDR RAM Memory, fast little 40 GB 7200 rpm 133ATA Harddrive, Radeon FDX 8500LE Graphics card.
So now if i get any slow down I'll just wait a bit then buy one of these new generation cards like the 9800 pro Radeon or FX5900 Nvidia types to get it up to very fast standards. But for now im well ok for any game ive bought. Runs graphic intensive games like IL2 for instance at very smooth speeds.AH2 im hoping will be fine with my present setup.
(Half Life2 is a real test!, have you seen the demos or films of the faces etc in it? simply amazing! very graphics intensive but so real looking.I suggest you all go look at the movie clips for it if you want to see how your computer will run it.)
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Building it now but not because I wanted to it all happened suddenly on Friday afternoon.
Gigagbyte GA-7N400 Pro (replaced burned up A7N8X Deluxe)
XP2600+ (replaced fried 1.4GHz T-Bird)
330W power supply (replaced el cheapo 350W ps)
2x256MB RAM PC2700 replaced 1x512MB PC2100 (double sided) but I have to return it for real memory since this will not let me finish installing XP Pro.
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I'm building a new box at the moment as it is, but certinly not for AH2.
Unless I've missed some news, I think we've yet to see any real screenshots from within the game or even better a movie or two. So it's hard to say what level AH2 will require.
But given AH current engine and a step up for them might mean we are still some generations back from the later flight sims we've been seeing with the IL2 series and soon to be released Lock On Modern Air Combat.
So unless you are only getting OK frame rates at the moment, don't think AH2 is going to require any big hardware investments.
Only wish LOMC allowed you to fly the helicopters. Though A10 should be a blast.
...-Gixer
-Hells Angels-
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Unfortionatly i have to get a new box, my current laptop IBM Thinkpad 866mhz P3m and 16mb card is good enough 30-50 fps @ 1024*768 for Ah but i have no illutions that it will do for AH2
Im gonna have to get the cheapest components possible..
Anyone think a radeon 90/91/9200 will do with a xp1800 processor and 256mb ram?
Im gonna have to run it at the LCD's native res @ 1280*1024/75Hz
Only thing im gonna spend abit of money on is a good motherboard (sata/firewire/usb2/lan etc) and psu for futureproofing.
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Nope, not buying. Mine will be good for three more years:D
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The ATI9800 Pro will be $99 by the time AH2 comes out :)
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Originally posted by SKurj
Already building it...
GF4Ti4200 been in for about 3 weeks
A7N8X Deluxe sitting on table
RAM (1gb) and CPU (likely 2800+) next week and its done
SKurj
You guys buyin new boxes make me sick! You make me wanna PUKE!! NEW BOXES!!! BAH!!!! WHO NEEDS 'EM??!! YA BUNCHA WEENIES!!! BUNCHA LITTLE GIRLS!
(wish i had one)
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I just bought a TSR-80 at a swap meeting - great deal, I practically stole it from the guy!
Can't wait to get AH on it and fly!
Does any one have AH on casette tape?
I'm still trying to figure that out.
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12) start system - it should go directly to BIOS to confirm your processor speed. In BIOS - set BOOT order to CD-ROM first, HD- second. Leave everything else at default, for now. Put WINXP in CD tray, Save and Exit BIOS, which will reboot system.
Wonderfully writen BBGUN, very simple to read but this is where I got stuck :(
I read your post on the WB BB the day after I put mine together so it took me like 6 hours without any extra instructions besides what came with the MB. If I only would have known about that MAXTOP case from NewEgg ahead of time I would have bought it.
Instead i got a
DreamStar case with a 400 PSU for 48 delivered
A MSI k7n2g with onboard video for 80 on Ebay to save some bucks
and used all my old componants from My Emachine
CDR DVD Floppy and 80 gig HD,,, tossed the old 250PSU but bought only a 300 watt Enermax which may have been a mistake since the case has so many lights on it.
I ran into 2 probs
#1) Case had raised bumps in it to place the MB on that match MB holes and only 3 of those brass spacers were included, I used 2of them. I was not sure what I could do if I needed to keep the MB off those spacers so I just set her down on them and continued to build. I screwed only the 2 spacers in and seems solid enough not to move at all.
CDR DVD share a rounded IDE and the HD is on a duel ribbon that I used the top connector to plug in in with thinking that was the primary.
CDR DVD share a power strand from the PSU and the HD has it's own which may have been labled extra on the plug or maybe not (away from that machine right now , can't remember but it's on it's own strand.
#2) HERE"S THE MAJ. Prob
SYSTEM won't boot.
I get a blue screen that says something like
If this is your first time seeing this error mesg then retart your computer.....if not run a check scan disk or something remove any newly replaced hardware or harddisk controlers, check for viruses and blah blah blah
Then I get a black screen asking me what i want to do.
Boot normal... does not work
Boot safe... does not work
Boot last systen configuration that worked... have not tried.
I used my old HD since the MB had fried and was going to send it back to Emachines to be refitted with one but for some reason totally unknown to me......My cat pissed in the open case before i packed it. The cat has never pissed in the house er on the house I should say.
Well anyway I figured Emachine would void the warranty so I didn't even waste my time and bought some new parts.
Yes the puter was plugged in at tthe time but not on. From what I could see he got 2 old PCI cards and the wires in front of the the Cpu heatsink and fan. The fan was untouched as far as I could tell.
Telling the story makes me want to remove 2 more of the lives the cat has left but I am a little closer to telling it with a cracked smile on my face if I can make the new set up work.
Does using the OLD HD have anything to do with it and should I use the old configuration? BTW I'm running XP on the 80 gig HD but want to add my OLD HD loaded with 98 a little later... can I do that?
Well, I hope you can Help... I'm really needing some advice at this point.
ZX
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think my commador 64 will run aces high 2?,,hehe
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
Unfortionatly i have to get a new box, my current laptop IBM Thinkpad 866mhz P3m and 16mb card is good enough 30-50 fps @ 1024*768 for Ah but i have no illutions that it will do for AH2
Im gonna have to get the cheapest components possible..
Anyone think a radeon 90/91/9200 will do with a xp1800 processor and 256mb ram?
Im gonna have to run it at the LCD's native res @ 1280*1024/75Hz
Only thing im gonna spend abit of money on is a good motherboard (sata/firewire/usb2/lan etc) and psu for futureproofing.
Nilson heres the best card for budget Radeon 9600 /9600 pro
you should be able to pick one up cheap. New range from radeon to pressure the FXcards.Really good value and with your 1.8 it will be very quick and handle AH2 pretty good i bet.
also get yourself a 512mb ram stick at the fastest clock speed your computer supports. Get double sided or 2 sticks so you can take advantage of any bios mem bank interlacing features(faster)
if your old mem is slower dont use it. RAM is the cheapest its been for about 7 years (from memory -no pun intended)
Buy now or regret it when the prices rise again.
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nelson for cheap mobo or HD solutions try :
motherboards:
Intel:
Abit IS7 £80 (sterling UK)
Athlon:
Aopen AK77-8XN (£60)(this is my one has many features supports up to 3 gig chips and onboard lan/modem/5.1 dolby soundcard and all the new bumf)
MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR (£90)
Processors:
Athlon XP3000+ Barton (£190)
or slower and much cheaper one :)
Harddrive:
Try to get a S-ATA complient HD or if too expensive go for budget but never get one with small cache or slow rpm (7200 min)
heres a couple of good cheap drives:
Western Digital 120GB (8MB cache!! 7200rpm) (£90)
Maxtor Diamondmax Plus9 80GB (8MB cache 7200rpm) (£69)
Western digital Raptor 36GB (10,000 RPM!!!!smal capacity but FAST) fastest drive ive ever seen hehe designed for use in server enviroments but great for us game heads too. (£117)
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i hope my XP Barton @ 2300mhz with a ATI9700pro will be enough :(
;)
Ill be upgrading for HL2 probably :o
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Hmmm, I haven't seen that particular error before, or at least, not under the conditions you apparently describe.
As there is some confusion....
you say DreamStar case with a 400 PSU for 48 delivered
and then a couple sentences later you say bought only a 300 watt Enermax
So which is it, the included 400 or the enermax 300? and what are the numbers off the PSU for whichever unit you have in the system?
It sounds like you are just trying to run a disk from a different system on the new Motherboard. That *will* cause loads of problems in win98, and *probably* cause a significant number in WinXP. There are ALL KINDS of system component drivers for the chipsets that will conflict. The drivers for the eMachines motherboard will most definitely NOT work for the MSI board. Especially if there are different IDE drivers. WHen you swap Motherboards, you *can* do a simple drive transfer *IF* you have cleaned out ALL Motherboard specific drivers for the system. And even then, with win98, you're REALLY asking for problems as there are a number of system files which get lost and or cross-connected in the transfer. If you want access to your win98 data, do a CLEAN XP install on the 80 GB HD - i.e. the 80 GB drive is freshly formatted, or even unformatted when you install XP. Then add the win98 disk as a secondary drive later, and all your data will be accessible to you. There are ways to have a dual boot system, as well - but why would you want to do that?
It could be a lot of other things, too. Not the least of which is the fact that you bought a Mobo off ebay. Do you have any idea at all of the history of the mobo? Was it an overstock/wholesaler or a private party? Was it an open or sealed box?
As an afterthought, make sure you have the HD set to master and the CD set to slave, since they are sharing the same cable.
BB
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Thanks for posting BB Gun,
About the power supply: Before i bought the board i responded to a post Bloom25 was involved with and asked a few questions. He said i would need at least a 300 w PS so i got a good one from Enermax instead of using the 250 that came with the emachine. The motherboard came but then did not fit in the old box so I bought the dreamstar for $48, it came w a cheap and very light 400 w PS. I thought I was better off with the Enermax.
The board did come from Ebay but had no wrapping on the box. The contents were all wrapped and never opened as far as I can tell.
As far as I can tell the board is not shorting out because I do get a blue screen and then the black asking me how i want to boot the machine up.
Boot normal... does not work
Boot safe... does not work
Boot last system configuration that worked... have not tried this and by what you have said maybe I should not.
I really wish there was a way that I can recover my information stored on the old HD... or can I? After I reinstall WinXP Home edition will my old info still be there?
How would I do that anyway? the only CD I have is the Emachine restore CD. Will I be able to choose to install WinXP only and then use the drivers off the MSI CD to boot leaving all my old documents and stuff on the HD? I have no clue.
The only reason I would want to use my old HD with win98 is because i spent a lot of money with CH products on the whole hotas over a year a go when I did use win98 and the stuff i bought only works with win98. As I hear AH works very stable with win98 SE without to many connection probs.
I do have partition magic but was unable to make it work because i needed to install win98 first then XP.
I would not have a problem erasing all info on the 80 gig if I can only access it first, take what I want out and then format the drive, reinstall 98, add a partition and them install XP but I have no Idea what is possible and what is not.
Any suggestions would be helpfull. The other HD I have with 98 on it is a 10 or 15 gig.. I kindof forget. Old comp was a 450 celleron from Compaq
THIS IS THE ENERMAX PS I"M USING
Model No. EG301P-VB
I/P Voltage rating 90V~135V AC or 180V~265V AC
(selected by slide switch)
Iin=115/230Vac 8A / 5A
Frequency 47Hz~63Hz
Inrush current 60A max./230V (at cold start)
O/P DC
Voltage Ripple & Noise Total
Reg. Output current rating
Min. / Max.
+3.3V 50mV 4% 0.3A / 28A
+5V 50mV 5% 0.3A / 30A
+12V 120mV 5% 1.5A / 22A
-5V 50mV 10% 0A / 1A
-12V 120mV 10% 0A / 1A
+5Vsb 50mV 5% 0.1A / 2.2A
+3.3V & +5V 170W
TOTAL O/P 300W
Hold up time 17ms min. at 230V AC full load
Over Power Protection 105%~160% of max load
Over Voltage Protection +5V: 5.6V~6.9V
+3.3V: 3.7V~4.5V?
Any suggestions and thanks for the help,
ZX
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BTW the 80 gig HD with XP on it from my old machine is on a dual ribbon using the top connector which i figured was the primary. Nothing else is attached to it. The CDR and DVD share a rounded IDE cable with the DVD as primary like it was on the emachine but do not remember exactly how they had everything hooked up because i took it apart many days ago.
Should the DVD or CDR be hooked up to the same cable?
Thanks Again,
ZX
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Again, what are the numbers on the Enermax PSU? The ones that are on the side of the PSU and look like this:
(http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/17-103-423-05.JPG)
Specifically, the DC output amperage numbers. Looking at this Enermax 300W PSU above, however, if yours is similar, you should be fine. Unplug all the lights in the case though, just to be sure.
How would I do that anyway? the only CD I have is the Emachine restore CD.
Ouch. :eek:
THAT is why I will never buy a branded machine, no matter HOW good it is - you never get a copy of an operating system, you only get a "restore" disk. Blech. AFAIK, you can't install windows on a new system using a proprietary "recovery" disk.
At any rate, I'm still a little confused....
You have an 80 GB HD and a 10-ish GB HD, the 80 GB has E-machines XP-home, and the 10 GB HD has Win98? And you have NO "bare" operating system disks?
It sounds like you have two drives with two different operating systems, and niether one has the ability to boot on the new Motherboard. At this point, I'd attempt to borrow someone's spare HD and install/boot from it, AFTER obtaining a copy of WinXP the OS, not the recovery disk. You can get a copy for less than a hundred bucks at Newegg by buying any old hardware item (even if its only a 5 dollar cable) or you can find someone who works at Microsoft who can get you their Employee price from the company store. (25 bucks for Home, 30 bucks for Pro) And no, I don't work for them, I work for Boeing. :)
Once you've installed/booted the borrowed drive, copy all the pertinent info onto it from the other HDs and then wipe them, and repeat the installation procedure.
I.e.
borrowed drive = drive 1
80 GB drive = drive 2
10GB Drive = drive 3
Clean install on Drive 1 as master, drive 2 as slave.
Hook up Drive 1, copy all necessary info from 2 to 1.
Hook up Drive 2 as master, drive 1 as slave, wipe and clean install on drive 2, copy data from drive 1 to drive 2. Remove drive 1, install drive 3 as slave. (obvious, but shut down power between drive swapping).
At any rate, it looks like you are stuck at the moment, without a bootable copy of an OS (either bootable CD Rom version of XP or floppy boot/Win98 CD).
BB
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Specifically, the DC output amperage numbers. Looking at this Enermax 300W PSU above, however, if yours is similar, you should be fine. Unplug all the lights in the case though, just to be sure.
YEP, THAT'S THE EXACT MODEL I HAVE
You have an 80 GB HD and a 10-ish GB HD, the 80 GB has E-machines XP-home, and the 10 GB HD has Win98? And you have NO "bare" operating system disks?
:( YEP, NOT LOOKING GOOD HUH BB?
ahh ha,
maybe I'm not 100% out of luck.
When I got the Partition magic a freind of mine made a copy of 98 and also gave me a bootable floppy. I was not able to install it because I needed to have 98 on the HD first and then I could add xp.
What steps should I take now BB? or should I reconfigure the steps already given?
This is a link to the case I got... not that you would be interested in it. If I had found your WarBirds post sooner I would have bought that MaxTop and a few other things from Newegg.
http://www.dealsonic.com/po13atxmidto2.html (http://www.dealsonic.com/po13atxmidto2.html)
NOW THIS IS INTERESTING!!
A guy on Ebay is selling bootable disks. One of the things he says is, A MUST FOR ANYONE WHO IS BUILDING OR UPGRADING A COMPUTER.
What do you think of this guys idea?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751001270&category=31509 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751001270&category=31509)
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thanks for the interest in my problem BB. I really do appreciate the help.
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Originally posted by Citabria
PC box as in pentium4 3 ghz w ati radeon 256mb 9800 pro and a gig of ram :)
Geez, that's overkill. I think my PIII-850 with geforce4 and 768ram will continue to work just fine...
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Don't bother getting that boot disk... shady, and it looks like you need to really understand what its doing before you're safe to use it, or at least to be able to do something once the computer is booted.
IF you have a win98 boot disk (that loads a CDROM driver) and a copy of a Win98 CD - figure out WHICH hard drive would cause you the least pain to reformat, and then reformat and load windows on that particular HD. Or borrow one and do what was outlined previously. Or buy yet another one. A 30 GB 7200 RPM Maxtor at Newegg is only 55 bucks. Replace your older, slower 10 MB drive.
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All this talk about new boxes but no mention of the new AMD 64 bit processor. Will it help AH2? Will it run AH2 at all? Was this covered in another thread I missed?
I'm upgrading myself but not 'til after Christmas. Threads like this give me good info on what to look at when I'm shopping.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94252&highlight=AMD+processor
Found it :rolleyes:
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I'm not likely to run out and buy one. If my machine can't run AH2, I'll have to weigh it against my financial concerns. Roof and food first, school and education second, fun and games is, unfortunately, farther down the list.
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Me? I'm buying a new soap box when AH-II is finally released. The old one I had is dang wore out. ;)