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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Halo on August 31, 2003, 07:30:51 PM
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Okay, while the other one-sortie kills thread is still going -- giving an excellent idea of the number of kills achievable in one sortie without rearming or refueling, a clear trend is emerging showing that the most impressive statistic everyone wants to know is:
What are your most kills in ONE sortie in a fighter without rearming or refueling, and landing successfully (no ditches or chutes), against ONLY other fighters airborne and able to defend themselves?
In other words, NO vulching, no attack planes, no bombers, no ships, no ground vehicles, NOTHING except other fighter planes reasonably airborne and able to defend themselves.
However, stalking from low 6, surprise bounces, b&z and other tactics against FULLY FUNCTIONING enemy fighters are accepted and expected.
Yes, this requires some judgment calls and personal integrity. No vulching includes not counting pounces on opponents who have just taken off and are still low and slow and unable to exercise the full capability of his or her fighter plane.
The other one-sortie thread demonstrates the importance of this focus, the most elite stat of all. Many of the most successful sticks have not so far participated in the other thread.
This thread might get a little closer to the question we all want to know: Who are the real Top Guns?
Please include at least a general description of the action and numbers and types of fighters you killed.
In this thread, it will indeed be impressive if such kills reach double figures.
For example, this boggles my average dweeb mind so much that the most I can recall is 3 several times, and I don't even remember the details since that happens so infrequently. Most involved b&z or low 6 stalking since furballs so often mean no landing.
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F4U-1C - 18 air kills.
about three of them were hard fought, the rest were bounced via high angle snapshot or they were sleeping. gawd that was my best night =] gunnery was on fire =]
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oh please...
who can be bothered to count.. and then remember this crap +)
The one standout mission you had is probably easy to remember based on # of kills...
I couldn't tell you the numbers of any mission in which I killed ONLY fighters with wheels up, no bombers, no vulches, no gv's...
oh yes i can... 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 (insert plane type)
SKurj
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13 kills in F6F
13 kills in 190D9
14 kills in F4U-1C I think I refueled... not sure how many I had I ended up with 24 at the end, but that's for the other post LOL
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Already very impressive. Never thought anyone would get more than a dozen.
Skurj, sorry you don't like the thread. If I ever got a buncha good fighter kills, I think I'd remember mine. And I'm glad some do because if this isn't the most dazzling single statistic in Aces High, what is?
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12 in a p 47d-11 they were all air to air . one thing to note this was my 3rd time ever flying this plane in the MA thats why its one of my fav's and most memorable flights. I was unstoppable that night and did everything just right, flap turns, maintained almost perfect E and SA ... it was amazing for me .
5 of these were head ons , all the rest were deflection/6 shots.
of the kills there were 5 p-51's , 2 la 7's, 3 spits, and 2 f6's
The all the fights ranged from 20k down to 6k on the mindano map. and i never even got in range of an nme base.
I wish i still had that film ... but it was lost with our pc's that got it in the house fire last fall.
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The 14 in a Spit V was all air-to-air... I hung out around 5 miles off a base and kept engaging guys 1v1 over and over again until I finally ran out of ammo.
The 24 kill rearm mission was nothing but vulching. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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11+one bomber in a Ta-152 three or four days ago.
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Without rearm ... P-51 17 kills A2A..
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Are you really loking for the top gunz?
Most of us hang out in the DA.
Not that it matters but yesterday I had a no rearm, small ammo load, all air to air 15 kill 38 run.
I only mention it because I usually dont fly with enough SA to do a large kill run like this.
The truth is that most of the pile-its who could set some kind of single sortie kill record dont really care to.
So trying to establish some kind of top gun by the kills per sortie method really doesnt hold any water.
Wana know who the best is?........Look at the top of the dueling ladder.
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i got an assist... once... i think.
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Originally posted by Shane
i got an assist... once... i think.
Prolly on me! ;)
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Nomak, dueling is great and ladders are great like any tournaments, and anybody who does well in them probably is an excellent stick.
But 1 on 1 in DA is not the same as in MA and CT where, as you note, situational awareness becomes even more crucial and few sorties conclude with only 1 on 1 engagements.
For the big picture, Aces High does a great job in its regular monthly scoring tallies. We can see top guns pretty clearly, and there are many subcategories such as accuracy.
However, the two threads about single sortie kills with no rearming and no refueling are valuable additional indicators of success, especially if the pilots share a few details such as fighter types and general circumstances.
As in real life, sometimes it's hard to substantiate claims, and as in cyber life, sometimes the kills granted are kinda weird, e.g., some proximity deaths.
In all these measures of fighter skill, who can say any single measure is more accurate than the others? Monthly totals, single sorties with or without rearming and refueling, dueling, ladders -- has any one pilot or several dominated all of them all of the time?
Who was or is best is always changing and always a tradeoff between a record achieved and the next fight. That's why Aces High has room for everyone from master to apprentice, and why some dweebs like me can always enjoy and learn from the game even when our scores are laughable.
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10 in a 190a5 between a5 and 219 (I think 219... whatever that base is straight north of a5) on trinity. My most hard-fought sortie, probably ever. That's why I remember it so well. Was a small furball, with 5 or so planes always furballing, and reinforcements showing up at about the same rate planes were shot down. Great time.
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Not the most kills in a single sortie but the most memorable
Me A6M2 soting down a F4U4, and a F6F. The F6f was shot down first with the 7.62 popguns. I dove in on him and when he was out about 250 I let loose. I didn't want to waste cannons at that distance, plus I wanted him to break off one of my buddies. Put a 2 second burst into his right wingtip and I see that it breaks in half:eek: didn't waste any more ammo on him
Ok climb again and I see an F4U4 above me. He dives down on my buddies furballing near his CV. Poor SA as he ignores me to B&Z my buddies on the deck. I cach him twice with cannons as he tops out of his Immelmans to get the"jucier" B&Z bait below him.
another memorable one 4 NIK1 in a Bf 109 E4
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in fighter ace 2 we used to have a weekly "Death bowl match"
Sorta like the royal rumble here.
anywhere from 50-100 players would participate in these ,
you had to select your load outs, plane, ect.
the arena was set to full realism, with a 20k cap
you entered with an air start and guns were cold /off for the first 5 mins . every one would scatter in the arena and jocky for posistion .. until the guns went hot then it was a you against the world brawl ... SA , fuel/ammo management was a must ,,,, you could land at the fields and rearm /repair but that was always dangerous . this fight went on til there was one surviver and sole winner. (note you had to get kills also to win )
I always liked this event and it left you fighting the best in the end ...
we also had the 20min prebrawl chat room were we tossed taunts/ curses /storys ect at each other ... (no swearing though)
the one thing about the event that messed it up sometimes is when the guys would team up and clear the skys together til the end ... then they had to fight each other. even with the name icons off you could still figure out were a wingman was .
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Status Report 1: If I am reading these posts correctly, here are the leaders in fighter kills after only ONE sortie (NO rearm, NO refuel, landing the kills, no ditches, no chutes, against only fighters airborne and able to defend themselves):
Octavius, F4U-1C, 18
WldThing, P-51 (D or B?), 17
Nomak, P-38, 15
Dead Man Flying, Spit V, 14
HeLLcat, F6F, 13
HeLLcat, 190D9, 13
Roscoroo, P-47D11, 12
GScholz, Ta-152, 11
Tarmac, 190A5, 10
So these eight are the only pilots with 10 or more kills, and only their highest single total score is mentioned except when that is tied with different aircraft (some also have other sorties above 10). Let me know any corrections needed.
Surprising so far is that all of the top scores (including HeLLcat's 13 with two different aircraft) are with different aircraft. Most of the leaders flew heavy firepower or good endurance or both. Which, as some have remarked, makes Dead Man Flying's 14 in a Spit V especially notable.
Keep 'em coming to give people an idea what a single fighter sortie can accomplish against only other fighters airborne and able to defend themselves.
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I once lived in a van down by the river.
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I bet I will be the very first to die more than once per sortie:eek:
RTR
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11 F6F
13 P-38
Got an assist on Shane once :p
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All were fighters in my 13 kill Bf109G10 sortie..
I have gotten 10 or 11 a bunch of times in G10, G6 or G2, all with single cannon loadout.
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12 in D25
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109G6 (1x30mm): 10 kills
109G2 (3x20mm): 12 kills
Camo
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9 kills 109f4 last tod what made it sweeter is 1 was low slow 38 kappa ( got lucky he was slow and low). ITs nice to land alot of kills but if all newbies means nothing. At least to me. Record for 1 sorite as mwrod then nik and landed 24 kills. 28 kills in flack defending a base. and 94 kills panzer the good ol a63 to a1 tank battle.
But kills in a sortie really means about as much as rank does. NOTHING. caught a ju87 mission once in a 110 and landed 13 kills. landed a 19kills in a20 one sortie but then again m3's easy kills.
And I am about med to barely above avg stick in game. So getting lots of kills in sortie has no bearing how good of a stick you are. Its about same as winning lottery it doesn't make you luckiest person in world someone had to win it.
To me flying for alot of kils in sortie or to get high rank is the most boring time I've had in this sim. Fun is mixing it up and just have fun. Going for score or k/d is okay for some but boring as hell
to me.
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17 or 18 in A 109 g2. Think i got 38 perks for it :)
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Halo, I've had several missions of over 12 kills, but cannot say that anyopne of them was completely devoid of vulches, or proxies... dunno how anyone could remember the specifics of a mission like that.... wish I had that kind of memory, I'm jealous. :)
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About 100 kills flying P38 in a single sortie (1942 for MAME, 1st stage ).:p
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big one's off the top of my head...... f4u4 - 20 me262 - 28 ... been playing AH too long too remeber em' all :D.... and ya that's no rearm heh heh...and no vulches
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As I was looking through my screenshots I have:
5 kills in Yak-9U
7 kills in Me262-A1
8 kills in Me262-A1
9 kills in Me262-A1
9 kills in F6F
10 kills in 190D9
10 kills in F6F
10 kills in P38
11 kills in F6F
13 kills in F6F
13 kills in F4U-4
14 kills in F6F
14 kills in F4U-1C
15 Kills in P51D
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Status Report 2: If I am reading these posts correctly, here are the leaders in fighter kills after only ONE sortie (NO rearm, NO refuel, landing the kills, no ditches, no chutes, against only fighters airborne and able to defend themselves):
Manedew, Me262, 28
mrod (rod367th), Nik, 24
Octavius, F4U-1C, 18
Yucca, Bf109G2, "17 or 18"
WldThing, P-51 (D or B?), 17
HeLLcAt, P-51D, 15
Nomak, P-38, 15
Dead Man Flying, Spit V, 14
Grunherz, Bf109G10, 13
Wadke, P-38, 13
LLv34_Camouflage, Bf109G2 (3x20mm), 12
Nilsen10, P-47D25, 12
Roscoroo, P-47D11, 12
GScholz, Ta-152, 11
Tarmac, 190A5, 10
These 15 are the only pilots so far reporting 10 or more kills, and only their highest single total score is mentioned (some also have other sorties above 10). Bf109s take the lead with three among the leaders. Let me know any corrections needed.
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Originally posted by Halo
WldThing, P-51 (D or B?), 17
D :)
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Tuborg landed 3 kills in a C-47 once. Let's call it the F-47 if you want to only include fighters.
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Dunno who it was but it was a couple years ago a guy dropped his bombs from an ar-234 hit a hanger where a mission was spawning from. Back in the day we saw it light up like 13 or 14 peoples names. I miss those days.
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most kills landed in 1 sortie in our squad was DH367th can't remember but it was over 150 no reload.
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Actually, the best fun I ever had got me 4 kills in a pony but I augered I was laughing so hard. I was winging with a friend and he turned back into a hoard and just about got himself kilt. Being a good wingy I rev'd back in and cleared his 6. In doing so and poor SA on my part I was found I was headed back toward they enemy field. Well, a hard break and I got my old steed back on course. But by this time I was had about 8 enemy fighters diving on me. I started wiggling alot and one after another one would run up my tail and boom!
After the fourth one hit my tail I was laughin so hard I nearly fell outa my lay-z-boy and augered!!!!
Ren
:D
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GBall landed 19 in a 51D on Sunday night I believe it was, no rearms.
He'd have to speak up if any were vulches though
SKurj