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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: trolla on September 01, 2003, 11:12:05 AM
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well for those of us that cant set gamma properly because using tft/flatscreens and for others reasons cant , it get really as dark that it should be.
But it is very much a reward too the people that can set gamma and make planes, gv`s etc... visible.
this is stupid and sucks, but for me the only solution is to log off.
since the gamma (cheat) is possible why have night at all, what about just having the nice times when sun goes down and up and then back to daytime again ?
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I agree
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whaaaa whaaaa whaaa!
Just because you bought a flat screen the rest of us should suffer?
(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu7.jpg)
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That was not my point, and there is prolly more than me that cant set gamma because several reasons :(
But thanks for a intelligent answer lol :D
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Your crying because other people are doing something you cant do. Its like me comming on the bbs and crying that the other players are setting up there joysticks to get better control and i cant, so i cry about it and want other people who can setup there stick to stop so i feel better.
i have to go to work, or should i cry becuse there are people who dont work?
:p :p :D
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Does your monitor have a control for gamma? Guessing that it doesn't. Oh well hmmm...
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Originally posted by Chaos68
Your crying because other people are doing something you cant do. Its like me comming on the bbs and crying that the other players are setting up there joysticks to get better control and i cant, so i cry about it and want other people who can setup there stick to stop so i feel better.
i have to go to work, or should i cry becuse there are people who dont work?
:p :p :D
ok teaspoon needed for you :) what i ment is that if night dont works (meaning it get just as visible as daytime for 90 % of the players that can adjust gamma)
what is the reason for having it ??
But thank you again chaos, for another impressive intelligent answer from you :D
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Originally posted by wrag
Does your monitor have a control for gamma? Guessing that it doesn't. Oh well hmmm...
ofcourse it doesnt but trying to set it in videocard setting dont work somhow with this monitor.
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Use this
http://www.colorific.com/d1.htm
I use it always as my screen (or something on my std set up) is porked so its on for day or night and any other program I run.
The night sky is still black and visibility heavily impaired...........iconless dots are very hard to see (almost impossible) but you can makeout ground features in a shady sort of way.
It is a gamma correction program and some of the advertising blurb does give the impression of a cheaters charter. But you are firced during set up to find a gama balance with your brigthness and contrast setting.....hence daytime looks like day time (not some wishy washy version of it) but you have some depth of vision at night.
it claims to be suitable for flat screens ........... but needs a RAMDAC enabled graphics card
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ty I will test it out :)
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We shouldn't HAVE to adjust gamma...it is stupid.
People here argue the realism issues and then defend the use of gamma correction. Hypocracy in its highest form.
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if your using a lcd flatscreen just change its angle...it works the same as adjusting the gamma...major headache included
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@ Curval
Are you flying in complete darkness too?
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Originally posted by Curval
We shouldn't HAVE to adjust gamma...it is stupid.
People here argue the realism issues and then defend the use of gamma correction. Hypocracy in its highest form.
What is clear is that folk have a wide range of video and monitor settings............. as well as a wide range of video and monitor hardware...........not to mention the back ground lighting of what ever room they are in.
Walk round any of the PC's at an AH convention and you will see this most clearly during night flying.................
Night is dumb if its actually impossible to play the game........ so there must be some setting that allows some depth of vision without making it some form of wishy washy day effect.
Advising settings is a waste of time because of our differring hardwares.............and differring settings...........
What would be neat is a series of (in game) test cards that allow us to set stuff up as HTC would reccommend. I reckon there should be bars for colour, (RGB), brightness, contrast and even if possible gamma (depth of vision at night). How I do not know...........it would just be neat.
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Originally posted by Chaos68
Your crying because other people are doing something you cant do. Its like me comming on the bbs and crying that the other players are setting up there joysticks to get better control and i cant, so i cry about it and want other people who can setup there stick to stop so i feel better.
i have to go to work, or should i cry becuse there are people who dont work?
:p :p :D
And your acting like a typical dork gamer who thinks its just jolly to game the game...
...go play Quake or something.
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I dont bother messing up my display if i cant see I logg off. If you have to adjust your display to see like day why bother. Night belongs in the combat or historic arena in my opinion. I see night I log off.
gigg
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Originally posted by Gigg
INight belongs in the combat or historic arena in my opinion.
gigg
the fug it does!! keep night outta our CT!
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I personally like the night for a change of pace. BTW what the hell is all the "GAMMA" talk? I cant see this on ANY of the AH screens....is this on my computer and I dont know about it?
Thanks....:D
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Originally posted by Curval
We shouldn't HAVE to adjust gamma...it is stupid.
People here argue the realism issues and then defend the use of gamma correction. Hypocracy in its highest form.
Agreed. I am one who just logs off. I still say it's HTCs way of saving a little on bandwith. ;)
Banish the night, long live the day!
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Originally posted by Tilt
Night is dumb if its actually impossible to play the game........ so there must be some setting that allows some depth of vision without making it some form of wishy washy day effect.
The first 3 words says it all..in the context of a WW2 flight sim with very few planes capable of flying night ops in real life.
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That is what i posted in another thread:
I have a cheap monitor whose brightness i have set to 100% even at AH daytime. If i dont want to log off at night because of completely darkness, i must fumble at my vidcards gamma settings.
If i do not adjust gamma, i see nothing. I dont see the horizon but i should because its always full moon. I know where the ground is just because there are no stars.
When i look through the bomb-sight, my screen is BLACK. Once i was attacked by a bomber while in a 109. He must have seen me because he sneaked on my six and started firing. I only saw his tracers.
And after crashing two times in a mountain while nighttime, i begun to adjust gamma.
I can see the ground now, but i dont see how far away it is. It is still night now, but it is playable.And thats what i am paying for.
@ Curval
You obviously dont know what i or Trolla (and others) are talking about.
@ Gigg
Night belongs in the combat or historic arena in my opinion. I see night I log off.
I cant follow your argumentation. It seems like you need night because its a good reason for you to take a break. If you have the time to play 24 hours a day, you really need it.
Ecke
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
@ Curval
You obviously dont know what i or Trolla (and others) are talking about.
Nope...I don't.
I see night I log off too.
Having to adjust my gamma setting to be able to see at night is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.
How many gamma adjusting programs did WW2 flyers have?
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Gamma is very important tool to me when playing the games.
I need about 1.8 gamma to see the colours normally from the screen, otherwise it's darker than supposed and at 1.0 gamma the day looks like very early dawn or late afternoon.
Almost no use to play any games with this monitor at 1.0 gamma if it's any darker than bright.
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I still cant see the purpose of the night, but if we want a non cheateable night, how about rendering planes and vehicles only if they are inside neon icon range?
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I see night I log off too.
Having to adjust my gamma setting to be able to see at night is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.
How many gamma adjusting programs did WW2 flyers have?
It is ridiculous to log off at AH nights. That means to miss the point.
I lived for years at the countryside, and i remember very well the nights which HT tries to simulate in the game.
In starry nights with full moon you can see for miles.
And i guess even in WW2 it was possible to fly at night at such good weather conditions even without any nightflight equipment. (May the experts correct me if i am wrong. I am just guessing.)
So, if you need to log off during night, we should better discuss if the AH night is modelled correct.
And if the night is modelled correct, we should ask why we dont get nightfighter equipment. Because WW2 pilots didnt had the chance to log off during night. The war went on...even at night.
Ecke
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The war may well have went on, but the day fighters were all parked until just before dawn.
SKurj
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full nightime is just stupid .. some kind of surreal night would be ok, but as the post illistrates- night time is a lame, cheat oriented time.... Something like an awesome full moon night maybe, but with even more 'light' ...
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HEY EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT ALL OF US HATE NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you are entitled to log off if you wish. I for one like the night time and will continue to like it....HTC dont change a thing!:)
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Originally posted by Manedew
Something like an awesome full moon night maybe,
Thats what I get.............. and I do not adjust stuff between day time and night time............ IMO it would be neat if the icons went "shorter" (or faded) too
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what suks is th eCHEATING!!!!...
soewm peopels video cards let them see when Blaked out..due to either bleeding or pulling Gs...
So..if you wan tto out turn an nme..you can..while blaked out and still see the nme plane...
this works ona Voo doo 5 card..
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Night would be great if everyone experienced the same effects. That is not the case, IMHO; the MA should remain in daytime. Not even bother with the dawn to dusk. The position of the sun is handy if your paying attention to it. I like to try and position for it, but if it doesn't work out that won't stop me.
Night would be great with actual night fighters. Night fighting in WW2 required some coordination with ground personel. Later it also required a RADAR operator to work the gear.
If that could be simulated, and night would remain night as HTC intended, then night would be a most excellent time.
If we had honest answers to the question, "do you adjust gamma at night?", I suspect that 70-90% would be yes. With the occasional, "what is gamma?".
So while night can happen, I treat gamma changes the same as HO's. Everyone can do it, most are, why complain.
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Hitech, give us Night Fighters with special equipment or leave
night for sleep to the pilots.
No fighters were flown in WW2 in complete darkness without
special gear. German fighters had a small fighter squad called
"Wilde Sau" who hunt down bombers without that gear, but
with enlighted targets from ground searchlights. To say is, that
this tactics have very little success.
Gamma correction setup is for cheater and so i agree with those,
who log till night because they see nothing.