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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hristo on September 22, 2000, 02:08:00 AM
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If Dora scares you, how about this one ?
(http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/art/images/hunters.jpg)
Hehe, don't tell me you are not afraid of it. You might be full of sh... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Or are you counting on HTC to protect you ?
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How is it gonna scare me when I'm fly'n it?
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Dude, that makes great Desktop Wallpaper!
Still, you would use that cool aircraft to bore the "NME" to death. Hours and hours of never engaging unless in a superior "E" in a lag pursuit for a shot.....arrrrrg. (don't complain, Ive seen yer films)
[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 09-22-2000).]
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Since when is lag pursuit a dweeb move, CreaFmo ?
Or maybe you advise leadturns in 262 ?
If you so desperately look for leadturns, go find a Zeke driver (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 09-22-2000).]
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I thought they banned that type of lure...
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Yah Juzz, its almost as unfair as gill netting isn't it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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I fly mostly LW planes! Ya Know?
IMHO we don't need the 262.
The 109 G-6, G-10 and the FW190A5 can handle the P51 and F4U just fine!
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Originally posted by Swager:
I fly mostly LW planes! Ya Know?
IMHO we don't need the 262.
The 109 G-6, G-10 and the FW190A5 can handle the P51 and F4U just fine!
I fly only LW planes ! Ya Know ?
IMNSHO we need the 262.
The 109 G-6, G-10 and the FW190A5 can handle the P51 and F4U just fine, but 262s also flew at the time!
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262's that low were usually spouting long trails of flame as the grinning P-51 pilots barrel-rolled away...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Swager:
The 109 G-6, G-10 and the FW190A5 can handle the P51 and F4U just fine!
Allways in their terms. Only when they want. And that is a BIG disadvantage.
I like to fly in the disadvantage. That is why you will rarely find me over 15K and never over 22K. But I dont like to see my enemy running after he has blewed his advantage, I want to catch him and give him what he deserves, a FAST death (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
So,MW50 Fw190D9 is neccesary. Non MW50 Fw190D9 will be a REAL dissaponting lack of plane for me, as most historical D9's were fitted with MW50 or retrofitted with it on the fields. For sure there were more MW50 190D9s than F4U1Cs, and more or less the same numbers as N1K2s. So IMO a Mw50 boosted Fw190D9 is a must be in Aces High
Me262 will be a good perk plane (that speed is definitely Uber (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)). But I wont fly it too much...for me fighting is fun, running not (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). and Me262 can run very well...and...run very well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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This is the SPIT XIV thread isn't?
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Originally posted by Kieren:
262's that low were usually spouting long trails of flame as the grinning P-51 pilots barrel-rolled away...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So what's the problem ? Just another big fat target for those shiny planes, huh ?
How come they wanna perk it ?
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Oh, almost forgot. There should definitely be a JV 44 Dora, to protect 262 fields.
So, 262 and D-9 in 1.05, how about it ?
I wouldn't mind the XIV too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Allways in their terms. Only when they want. And that is a BIG disadvantage.
LOL!! There you go again RAM, letting your hot Spanish blood get the best of you.
The 109G10 can engage the P-51 at almost any terms at any altitude (up too about a 5k altitude disadvantage) and at least fight to a draw, if not usually win.
You Luftwaffe guys must get different G10's in the game than I do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) because it is one great plane, and you guys just complain about it.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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one word : NO
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Honestly? No. Pilots scare me, not aircraft.
-Westy
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Trolling or not trolling, JUST SAY NO TO JETS! It would become Jets High - YAWN...
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Yawn....
Hristo....If it were up to me I'de give you whatever you wanted just to keep you quiet.
In addition, I think you lifted your skirt here for all to see...once you do get your silly D9, then you will began to incessantly cry for the 262.
Maybe you should start round one of a Venture Capital hunt and start your own online sim instead of constantly whining about this one.
BTW, are you even playing still, or just crawlin up our shorts on this board?
Your a good sim pilot and always have been, and for that I respect you....but this silly whining and posturing you do(you've always done this over the years)gets old (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just get in the game and let your flying do your talking....or are you afraid we might see YOU are not as UBER as you think you are?
I'm Out!
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If this was a historical setup, i.e. country vs. country, I could *maybe* understand the need to have an equal number of equally balanced planes from each respective country. But since I can fly any plane I choose, I'm having a hard time following why this is an Axis vs. Allies type of debate going on in these threads? I find it more appalling that we can fly 190 vs. 190 than I find it appalling that the P51 can outrun anything.
Fury
<<edit>> BTW that pic really does make a nice wallpaper, thanks!
[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 09-22-2000).]
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
you.
The 109G10 can engage the P-51 at almost any terms at any altitude (up too about a 5k altitude disadvantage) and at least fight to a draw, if not usually win.
You Luftwaffe guys must get different G10's in the game than I do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) because it is one great plane, and you guys just complain about it.
How much G10 have you flown since 1.04 verm?
Tour7:
- The Bf 109G-10 has 579 kills and has been killed 557 times against the P-51D.
Tour8:
- The Bf 109G-10 has 200 kills and has been killed 219 times against the P-51D.
Ahem... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
1.04 has given the P51 still more advantage over Me109G10. In 1.04 ,P51 was a better arena plane, but G10 could kill using E-fighting.
NOw it is devilish to kill in the damned brick the G10 is. You need tons of time and close fight, and that is nearly suicidal in the current main arena.
It can run more than P51. Over 5K. Under it is slower, and a 0G dive to the tree level will left any G10 sat down, because he wont be able to follow it properly.
G10 has no damned highspeed maneouverability and P51 way outturns G10 using flaps wisely.
Not to mention the pyrric weapons in 109...
And you still dare to tell me that G10 can match a P51 in an arena environment?
LOL!
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-22-2000).]
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Hristo im just wondering just HOW you want to hit anything else than a Bomber in these ..
From all accounts i heared they were very smooth and stable aircrfat but also hideously unmanouverable (read that turning, not covering vast space by speed) -> which was good for what they were designed for a.k. killing Bombers lumbering along straight and level.. but i don't think they could even hope to be able to kill a fighter unless he ain't seeing them approach (and of course if we'd get them they need contrails (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
Especially with the new FM you'd just go nuts trying to put your guns on anything more manouverable than a B17 or Lanc .. Oh and i guess you wouldn't see much else thanblack or red screen if you eventually did try to turn (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just my Humble oppinion but i think it's going to be the super hit and run .. run .. run .. run .. airplane in the arena .. and then the LW folks will be called roadrunners...
DW6
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
The 109G10 can engage the P-51 at almost any terms at any altitude (up too about a 5k altitude disadvantage) and at least fight to a draw, if not usually win.
You failed to mention the Pony is MUCH easier to fly and has a far superior ammo load out.
I'm not complaining about the G10 it's a nice ride but to say they are close to equal is not entirely true.
I can't fly a G10 for the life of me but even a novice pilot like myself can fly a Pony with good results.
Oh boy with that comment am I now labeled as a Luftwaffle or a Luftwaffle supporter? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mox
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Salute aces,
I've been a dedicated G10 driver since Tour2 and I find it an excellent plane for a 1vs1 also you can keep alive in MA but it's definitely no killer bird. The G10 has been consequently downgraded since it (marvelous) appereance and 1.4 gives it a very hard stand against all those miracelous E holding T&Bers. Its best advantage still is its acceleration, but lack of manouverability, high speed handling, guns and dive capabilities makes it hard to keep up with all those allied late war monsters.
Whenever a LW pilot comes up with the fact that the Dora would be a perfect cure for those P51Ds roaming the skies at 20k all the allies point at the G10. It may be true that their max top level speed may be close but a pony can disengage at will in a dive. And more over the 109 was a outdated model when the P51 hit the scene. improvements were made, true, but still it was a prewar plane. Why don't LW get something advanced for a change? Some of those marvelous new, revolutionary developements that were produced - in few numbers sure, but we got the C-Hog as well!! I agree that the 262 should be perked upon its arrival and I doubt that it will an easy plane to fly or kill with. And there are more of those "Secret Weapons of the LW" (tm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )... to close the gap between those advanced planes and the outdated ones LW has now we need the Dora. As it was in reality it would feed the need for a high altitude, high speed interceptor - one word about perk-system: if Dora gets perked, P51-D has to be perked as well!! (not to speak about the C-Hog)
Kirin out
btw: JG54 were the first to receive Doras... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Forgive me for being logical, but...
How exactly do you turn fight with something that runs around doing 540mph? You can't. It's just like a Komet; enemy turns, your shot is blown. Unless you're a master of dive and zoom, you'll get killed more than you'll kill enemy a/c.
The 262 in WBs is something people scream about. From what I've seen, they scream because they can't think. One little turn, even in a P-47, will blow his possibility for a shot. A 262 or a Komet will murder BUFFs, but fighter kills will be few and far between. Unless you can setup a perfect firing pass and not be seen.
Screw up just this little bit, and you'll blow it. Flying one of those means you have to THINK BEFORE YOU ACT. If you can't think, you'll end up with no kills and an empty gas tank.
Komet? Sure I'd like one in AH, same goes for the 262 or Ar-234. I prefer to think my way around the sky before I do anything. Then again, there's bound to be whining about any jet/rocket aircraft. "I want a P-51Q with rocket boosters; those 262s are too fast!".
Want something that goes faster than a 262? Go play Falcon 4 or Jane's ATF Gold. Want to kill 262s? Go dive after one in your P-51 or P-47, you might get one.
Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000
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How much G10 have you flown since 1.04 verm?
Just about as much as I have flown the Yak-9U or any other plane that I fly. Definitely enough to know that the G10 is still a killer, and very easy to "stay alive" in.
Tour7:
- The Bf 109G-10 has 579 kills and has been killed 557 times against the P-51D.
Tour8:
- The Bf 109G-10 has 200 kills and has been killed 219 times against the P-51D.
Have you ever taken any Statistics classes RAM? Basically those numbers show that statistically, the two aircraft are effectively equal given normal arena variations. Thank you for proving my point (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
It can run more than P51. Over 5K. Under it is slower, and a 0G dive to the tree level will left any G10 sat down, because he wont be able to follow it properly.
So why not keep the G10 in the portion of the flight envelope where it has superior speed? In the 5k-25k range? When I fly the G10 and I have to run from a P-51, I make sure I don't go down to the deck and I try to stay in the 8k or so range.
G10 has no damned highspeed maneouverability and P51 way outturns G10 using flaps wisely.
So? Each has strengths and Weakness. The G10 climbs faster, zooms better, accelerates better, is a smaller target, and is faster. Plus with its optional 20mm gondolas has much more hitting power than the P-51 and still outperforms it in the categories I outlined above. And your exagerating again RAM, the P51 has a very slight edge over the G10 in turning ability. Not, "way outturns".
Not to mention the pyrric weapons in 109...
And you expect a Yak-9U driver to feel sorry for you in that respect??? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) hahahahah The Yak has the same base armament in number and caliber of guns as the basic G10, but has even less ammo. Plus, the G10 has the option of the 30mm cannon, or the dual 20mm gondolas. You may not like them, but the option is there.
In fact, the whole reason I fly the G10 instead of the Pony anymore is that with the 20mm gondolas, the G10 is still as fast and has as good of an acceleration as the Pony, but has more firepower and can climb alot faster.
And you still dare to tell me that G10 can match a P51 in an arena environment?
Yep.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 09-22-2000).]
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What Verm said...
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Sabre, a.k.a. Rojo
(S-2, The Buccaneers)
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Will be nice to have it in the game, I just imagine how hard will be getting kill against the beast with expirienced guy at it's controls.
Fariz.
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OOOOkay (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Originally posted by Vermillion:
Just about as much as I have flown the Yak-9U or any other plane that I fly. Definitely enough to know that the G10 is still a killer, and very easy to "stay alive" in.
Tour 8:
- verm has 3 kills and has been killed 2 times in Me109G10.
Sorry I dont believe you in that statement. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
So why not keep the G10 in the portion of the flight envelope where it has superior speed? In the 5k-25k range? When I fly the G10 and I have to run from a P-51, I make sure I don't go down to the deck and I try to stay in the 8k or so range.
easy, because then the P51 will run away and you wont catch it in your life. What you ask is to let go ANY P51 that dives under 8K?...sorry,but I find this quite surprising.And unbeliable (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
So? Each has strengths and Weakness. The G10 climbs faster, zooms better, accelerates better, is a smaller target, and is faster.
but handles like an 8 ton truck, rolls like a pregnant whale and turns like a drunken cow. And lacks firepower.
Plus with its optional 20mm gondolas has much more hitting power than the P-51 and still outperforms it in the categories I outlined above.
Come on Verm, this is ridiculous. People in this BBS have said SEVERAL TIMES that the 6x50 cals on P51D are EQUAL to Fw190A8's 4x20mm (ridiculous by itself). So 3x20mm MUST have less hittin power.
Plus, and I repeat this until the end, the maneouverability and performance loss that the gondolas mean are simply unnaceptable.
And your exagerating again RAM, the P51 has a very slight edge over the G10 in turning ability. Not, "way outturns".
sustained? yes. but with flaps a well flown P51 will be able to turn inside the G10 quite quickly. I know it. I have flown both quite much.Of course if he misses the chance, then E will be a problem, but the position is won and he has his enemy's 6.
So, all in all P51 has the edge in turning fights.
And you expect a Yak-9U driver to feel sorry for you in that respect??? hahahahah The Yak has the same base armament in number and caliber of guns as the basic G10, but has even less ammo. Plus, the G10 has the option of the 30mm cannon, or the dual 20mm gondolas. You may not like them, but the option is there.
30mm is not next to useless in fightervsfighter role. 20mm gondolas?...read above....
And yak has 2 12.7mm monsters, while g10 has 2 13mm peashooters. Yak hitting power is BIGGER than G10's.
Ammo is another thing and we agree in it.
I repeat and will never stop telling it. P51 is the Arena wonder. And it has no possible comparation with another.
bring the Fw190d9 With Mw50. And the runstand will stop running and start fighting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-22-2000).]
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Citabria has 19 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Bf 109G-10. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by RAM:
OOOOkay (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
30mm is not next to useless in fightervsfighter role. 20mm gondolas?...read above....
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Hmmmmm.....
Well, if we get a better pilot fatigue model for G forces I'm all for the 262.
Whats funny is you don't see people griping about the Tiffy now...better acceleration then the P-51, instantaneous turn is better, better gun package and can out run anything on the deck.
Only problem I see with getting the Dora are the people that want it. Once it arrives they are gonna squeak somethin ain't right.
Frankly I think people don't give a flip about how fast a plane is. A good pilot will survive because he thinks, not because of how fast his plane is.
Ya really outta look at the A8 again. It's a great arena plane now provide you take plenty of gas and at least 10k (because of climb rate (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Lately I've had some unbelieveable fights with Cave in the Yak and 10Bears in the 1C.
Gun package is what kills the A8. Or it's my gunnery. I can't hit anything with the 20mm's unless it's under 200 yards or not doing eratic manuvers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- Jig
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Tour 8:
- verm has 3 kills and has been killed 2 times in Me109G10.
Sorry I dont believe you in that statement.
Here let me give you the rest too.
Verm has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the P-51D
Verm has 7 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Yak-9U.
Verm has 23 kills and has been killed 2 times in the F4U-1C.
Verm has 3 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Bf 109G-10.
Now most of -1C missions (my first since like tour 3), were two sets of ground attack missions on airfields where the ack was knocked down, so admittedly I got ALOT of vulchs. Probably 5 of those were legit air to air kills. I can remember two 5 kills vulch missions in a row one night.
In the G10 of my deaths, one was a lawndart, and the other was versus StSanta. Afterwards we both thought the other was warping, but neither could figure out which it was, and it was still a close fight. We both agreed to relog, and left it at that.
So if you want to go purely by stats, the G10 is a much more effective fighter than the P51.
easy, because then the P51 will run away and you wont catch it in your life. What you ask is to let go ANY P51 that dives under 8K?...sorry,but I find this quite surprising.And unbeliable
Let him dive to the deck RAM, once he gets there his speed will bleed down to the normal non-dive speed (367mph), and you can stay above 5k, where your speed is better than his and you will run him down. Once he can't dive no more, and you are fairly close (within 2k distance) you can slowly dive down but intentionally keeping your speed below 450mph. Plus you have more WEP, and at 5k your non dive speed is 400. 450 (or 400) > 367 right? You will catch him, it just takes patience. But you WILL catch him.
Come on Verm, this is ridiculous. People in this BBS have said SEVERAL TIMES that the 6x50 cals on P51D are EQUAL to Fw190A8's 4x20mm (ridiculous by itself). So 3x20mm MUST have less hittin power.
Ram, the only people that has said that, is Fishu, and its been repeated by you. No one else has. Period. And like I said before, I don't trust Fishu's word unless he provides us with some scientific testing. He has proven to be just too bias'd when it comes to Luftwaffe aircraft in the past for me to believe him.
Systematic scientific tests done by other players have shown the exact opposite results.
All I can say is, show me the proof and we can debate the gun issue intelligently, without it... *shrugs* I will reserve the right to disbelieve.
sustained? yes. but with flaps a well flown P51 will be able to turn inside the G10 quite quickly. I know it. I have flown both quite much.Of course if he misses the chance, then E will be a problem, but the position is won and he has his enemy's 6. So, all in all P51 has the edge in turning fights.
Please explain to me why you are engaging P51's in the horizontal plane (flat or semi-flat turning fights)? The G10 is one of the best (if not the best) vertical fighters in the game. If your turn fighting P51's, your not flying your plane to its strengths. No wonder your getting your clock cleaned by Ponys.
30mm is not next to useless in fightervsfighter role. 20mm gondolas?...read above....
30mm is not a good fighter versus fighter weapon, agreed. But the Gondola's? I have flown every one of my G10 missions with Gondolas. True they degrade performance, but once you get use to them, they are worth it in terms of firepower versus the performance you lose. And you can still outperform a Pony with them.
You like looking at the stats, so with gondolas I have a straight out 3/2 = 1.5 to 1 Kill/Death ratio with them. And if you disregard my lawndart, and or my fight with Santa (no blame, just an admittedly warpy fight) I am either a 3:1 K/D or a 3:0 K/D. So gondola's suck huh?
And yak has 2 12.7mm monsters, while g10 has 2 13mm peashooters. Yak hitting power is BIGGER than G10's.
Again, (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Prove it with numbers. The tests I have seen show that these two aircrafts relative hitting power is almost the same. While I agree that the .50 is more powerful than the 13mm, I believe that the 13mm and the 12.7mm is quite similar.
bring the Fw190d9 With Mw50. And the runstand will stop running and start fighting
No it won't IMO, read my response in the other thread. It just means that Pony pilots will fight you differently (just like another Pony), and those changes in tactics will generally negate the speed differential.
RAM, I admire your loyalty and your enthusiasm. And I think your a good pilot too. But try to look at thing objectively and rationally, without the passion sometimes.
It is much more likely to gain you the respect that you seem to want from the community. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 09-22-2000).]
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Hristo.. you payin; or just here trolling?
In answer to your question: No; MW50 Dora don't scare me...
In fact has anybody ever indicated they were 'scared' of the Dora.. The LW's fabled and storied 'Other White Meat'??????
Further; has anyone suggested they didn't want a Dora? Where are the raging frothing opportunist running dog lackey mob led child-pilot amerikansky objectionists??
Hell yes; we wanna Dora. Then mebbe you'll plunk yer money down... so I can kill yah. In whatever you fly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) <<< obligitory
If you wanna play ; yah gotta pay.
Hang
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Hang, every time you sound like this, you get shot down soon after.
So, I gather you are ready for some more ?
P.S.
Do not cheat next time.
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LOL you haven't flown in 1.04 yet have ya histro heh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Ice:
Yawn....
Hristo....If it were up to me I'de give you whatever you wanted just to keep you quiet.
In addition, I think you lifted your skirt here for all to see...once you do get your silly D9, then you will began to incessantly cry for the 262.
Maybe you should start round one of a Venture Capital hunt and start your own online sim instead of constantly whining about this one.
BTW, are you even playing still, or just crawlin up our shorts on this board?
Your a good sim pilot and always have been, and for that I respect you....but this silly whining and posturing you do(you've always done this over the years)gets old (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just get in the game and let your flying do your talking....or are you afraid we might see YOU are not as UBER as you think you are?
I'm Out!
Ice, both 262 and D-9 were 1944 planes, just like the P 51D was.
In real life P 51D was likely to meet them in the sky. In AH it doesn't have to worry about them. Fair ?
Hmm, remembering me over the years ? Dunno, maybe you are mistaking me for someone, I am in online flight sims since first day AH beta. Before, only WB HTH.
The reason why I don't fly now has nothing to do with the game or my pilot ego. More like real life though.
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Hi allieds and axis pilots!
i'm a pure G10 driver and in my opinion, the
p51-D is a far better fighter then the G10.
g10 is good, but i think lot's of "allied"
pilots will suck in it (no all!). you must
really hard work for a kill in it. in a pony
or hog, you can spray from 600+. in g10, you
have to see the eyes of the enemy pilot, than you can shoot.
for me, 3kills in 190 are the same than 1 kill in 109G10.
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Hristo....
I think the Dora should fly here...not the Jets...If anyone needs jets, perhaps a boxed sim is in order. I would hate to see the sim suffer should jets get introduced.
I'm Out!
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Habicht, you are experiencing the very same thing Galland commented on when comparing the US fighters (specifically the P-51) against the 109 and 190.
He said the US pilots had a superb advantage because of their guns. A LW pilot had a very limited ammo load and could not afford to waste ammo. A US pilot in contrast, had a LOT of ammo and could afford to spend 200 rounds on one fighter, while a LW would be an idiot to waste more than 50 on a fighter.
I fly the P38 and P51 mainly, and when I get on the 109 g10 I find it to be a difficult plane to fly because of its reduced high speed handling and because although I always wait to be inside d400 to fire, I find I run out of ammo very quickly. And that cockpit is plain ANNOYING (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
The Me-262 SHOULD be in AH, the same with the ME-163. They both flew in combat and were produced in enough numbers to deserve a spot in the game.
The way I see it, the ME262 and 163 would be anti-buff planes mainly, as it was stated earlier in this thread, a piston engined fighter only has to turn to completely blow the firing solution (or hope more likely) of such high speeders. Besides, if the 262 slows to dogfight, its DEEEAD.
IMO, the 163 and 262, if introduced in a controlled way to maintain playbalance would be very fun to have.
I would suggest HTC to add a RANKING system based on kills per "life". Say, you take off, get 2 or 3 kills WITHOUT dying or being captured, then you would be upped in rank.
So this way you could have 0-1 kill you are rank1, 2-3 kills rank2, 3-4 a rank3, etc etc.
If you die or are captured you go back to rank0 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Say only rank 5's can fly the 262 and 163's... with the coming of player controlled carriers, you would also need rank2 or something to be able to command a carrier.
[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 09-25-2000).]
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Tac did just mention one of the reasons why I don't like much of Me262 in Warbirds.
Can't slow down to shoot.
For buff killing it is fine, when they are big and does not execute 300mph split-s out of your plane which might travel 500mph.
You try to pull for shooting angle and you'll blackout.. fun.
Though, if not scared of higher enemies and theres furball ahead, Me262 will be fearsome for those furballers.
SA is not so perfect in furball when you try to see all around you, then someone comes 600mph behind you and blows you into bits if you're even a bit too late to avoid him.
There are still few things that makes Me262 bit weak on fighter versus fighter fight, it's 30mm guns. (has to get close in and deflection shots are difficult.. and that plane does not offer much time for aiming while that close)
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I flew the 262 every day it was offered in WB's.
And I spent my time in it hunting other 262's.
Very realistic. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
*yawn*
Hang
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No 262s! It just would lead to the point where all pilots (dweeb or not) fly it as the fastest, best plane. I refuse.. I hope others do too.
Dusk