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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Kweassa on September 05, 2003, 09:42:42 AM
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Anyone remember the "Who really flew them?" thread way back? :)
I tried searching for it, but couldn't find it.. I'm preparing to do some renovations on my Aces High page(in a language you guys probably would not understand :D ) in preparation for AH2 Beta :) , and was thinking of listing the paint schemes with each of the plane performance reviews I've done.
So, I could use some help from the wise wizards of the A/V forums. :)
I'm not asking for just freebies!
I'll try searching the answers as well, but please help me with what you know. :) To make it even more fun, I would like to ask the information in the following format :
Unit/Date/Pilot(rank) - ie) JG26/August '41/Some Body(Hauptmann)
I'd appreciate it if you guys would think of it as a trivia quiz, ;) to help make up some time until AH2 is here. I'll keep the thread updated with each new find. So far, I only have bits of information...
C.202
A6M2
Hurricane Mk I
Bf 109E-4
C.205
A6M5b
La-5FN - ?/?/Ivan Kozhedub
Hurricane IIC
Bf 109F-4
La-7
Hurricane IID
Bf 109G-10 - ?/?/? Wienhusen
Yak-9T
F4F-4
Bf 109G-2 - ?/?/Illmari Jutilainnen(spelling right?)?
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Yak-9U
F4U-1
Mosquito Mk VI
Bf 109G-6 - ?/?/Erich Hartmann
F4U-1C
Seafire IIC
Bf 110C-4b
N1K2-J
F4U-1D
Spitfire Mk IA
Bf 110G-2
F4U-4
Spitfire V
Fw 190A-5
F6F-5
Spitfire Mk IX
Fw 190A-8 - ?/?/Joseph? Priller?
FM2
Spitfire MkXIV
Fw 190D-9
P-38L - ?/?/?? McGuire?
Tempest V - ?/?/Pierre Closterman??
Fw 190F-8
P-40B
Typhoon
P-40E
P-47D-11
Me 163
P-47D-25
Me 262
P-47D-30
Ta 152H-1 - ?/?/Willi(real name?) Reschke
P-51B
P-51D - ?/?/George Preddy(major?)
:)
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C.202
A6M2 Saburu Sakai ??
Hurricane Mk I
Bf 109E-4
C.205
A6M5b
La-5FN - ?/?/Ivan Kozhedub
Hurricane IIC
Bf 109F-4
La-7
Hurricane IID
Bf 109G-10 - ?/?/? Wienhusen
Yak-9T
F4F-4
Bf 109G-2 - ?/?/Illmari Jutilainnen(spelling right?)?
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Yak-9U
F4U-1 - Greg Boyinton VMF 214 1943
Mosquito Mk VI
Bf 109G-6 - ?/?/Erich Hartmann
F4U-1C
Seafire IIC
Bf 110C-4b
N1K2-J
F4U-1D George Axtell VMF 323 Death Rattlers 1944/45
Spitfire Mk IA
Bf 110G-2
F4U-4 Ken Walsh VMF-222 1945
Spitfire V
Fw 190A-5
F6F-5
Spitfire Mk IX
Fw 190A-8 - ?/?/Joseph? Priller?
FM2
Spitfire MkXIV
Fw 190D-9
P-38L - ?/?/?? McGuire?
Tempest V - ?/?/Pierre Closterman??
Fw 190F-8
P-40B
Typhoon
P-40E
P-47D-11
Me 163
P-47D-25
Me 262
P-47D-30
Ta 152H-1 - ?/?/Willi(real name?) Reschke
P-51B
P-51D - ?/?/George Preddy(major?)
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Originally posted by F4UDOA
F4U-1 - Greg Boyinton VMF 214 1943
F4U-1D George Axtell VMF 323 Death Rattlers 1944/45
If by chance the question actually refers to who flew what specific airplane that is being depicted in the default Aces High skin:
F4U-1:"17-F-13", VF-17 (aboard USS Bunker Hill). (Pilot or pilots assigned uncertain by me at this time ... )
F4U-1D (from the AH aircraft descriptions): ... carries the markings of Lt Cdr Roger Hedrick, Commanding Officer of VF-84 serving aboard the USS Bunker Hill. Lt Cdr Hedrick had previously served as Executive Officer of VF-17 where he recorded his first 9 victories in the F4U. Cdr Tom Blackburn, CO of VF-17, described Roger Hedrick as "the greatest fighter pilot I've had the privilege to serve with." Lt Cdr Hedrick achieved 3 more victories with VF-84 when he shot down 2 Ki-84s and a Zero during a sortie in which his F4U had already been damaged by ground fire over mainland Japan. The combat tour of VF-84 was abruptly ended on 11 May 1945 when two kamikazes slammed into the Bunker Hill, severely damaging the carrier and forcing its withdrawal from operations. Lt Cdr Hedrick was unhurt during this attack that took nearly 400 lives, including 22 pilots of VF-84.
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Here's what I've got so far. Having fun with it, so I'll keep hunting.
Dan/Slack
Seafire IIC Fictitious serial number on this one as it is from the Spitfire Vb marked AC in AH, the London Butcher PR-B. Not positive on what carrier this is supposed to have operated from.
Spitfire Mk IA 603 Squadron, Hornchurch, England, September 1940 (Not Richard Hillary’s as his was XT-M)
Spitfire V S/L Michael Robinson, 609 Squadron, Biggin Hill, July 1941 “The London Butcher”
Spitfire Mk IXC S/L Jan Falkowski, 303 Squadron PAF, Northolt, June 1943
Spitfire MkXIV W/C Colin Gray RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne, October 1944
P-38L - Major Thomas McGuire, 431st FS, 475th FG, 5th AF, December 1944. “Pudgy IV”
Tempest V – F/LPierre Closterman, 3 Squadron, Volkel Holland, Spring 1945 “Le Grande Charles”
P-47D-11 Major Francis Gabreski, 61st FS, 56th FG, 8th AF February 1944
P-47D-25 Forca Aerea Brasillera FAB, attached to 350th FG, 12th AF in Italy late 44/45
P-47D-30 397th FS, 368th FG, 9th AF on the continent, late 44/45
P-51B Captain Don Gentile, 336th FS, 4th FG, 8th AF Debden, England, April 1944, “Shangri La”
P-51D –Major George Preddy, 328th FS, 352nd FG, 8th AF, Belgium, December 1944 “Cripes a Mighty”
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You weren't thinking about this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42874) by chance?
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Mosquito Mk VI Squadron Leader Robert Allan Kipp, navigator Flying Officer B. P. Haletsky
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Ahh,
Now I understand:D
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F6F-5 VF-15/1944/David McCampbell(Commander)
F4F-4 VMF-121/1942/Joseph Foss(Captain)
Spit Mk IX No.610/1943/James Johnson(Commander)
Hurr I? No.33/1941/Thomas Pattle(Squadron Ldr)
Spit I? No.74/1941/Adolph Malan(Flight Ldr)
Spit V No.249/1942/George Beurling(Pilot)
A6M? 251 Kokutai/1942/Hiroyoshi Nishizawa(Lieutenant jg)
A6M? 203 Kokutai/1944/Tetsuzo Iwamoto(Lieutenant)
P-38? 49FG/1944/Richard Bong(Major)
p-47D11? 61FS/1944/Francis Gabreski(Commander)(Major?)
C202 10Gruppo/1942/Franco Lucchini(?)
C205 16Gruppo/1943/Adriono Visconti(?)
whew...that's enough...my head hurts
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now translate all that into Korean correct Kweassa ???
''-'' <- what ever that means ....
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Ta 152H-1 - Stab/JG301/March 1945/Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke
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The Hurricanes
Hurricane I F/L K.N. T. Lee, 501 Squadron, Hawkinge August 18, 1940. Lee was shot down in this aircraft on this day by Gerhard Schoepfel of JG26.
Hurricane IIC 1 Squadron RAF, Tangmere, early 1942
Hurricane IID 6 Squadron, Desert Air Force RAF Shandur/Sidi Heneish, Egypt 1942
Back on the hunt
Dan/Slack
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F4Us
F4U1 Lt. Jg James Halford, VF-17 USS Bunker Hill, August 1943
F4U1C Not sure VMF 111?
F4U1D VF84 Lt Cdr. Roger Hedrick USS Bunker Hill, February 1945
F4U4 Cpt. Ken Walsh, USMC VMF 222, Okinawa, June 1945
Dan/Slack
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109s
Me109E4 Oblt. Joachem Muenchberg 7/JG26 Caffiers, France, August 1940
Me109F4 Hpt. Hans "Assi" Hahn, Stab III/JG2 Caen, France, November 1941
Me109G2-Finnish 109 markings.
Me109G6 Hpt. Erich Hartmann 6/JG52 Deutsch Brod, Czecheslovakia September 1944
Me109G10 Hpt Franz Weinhusen, Stab IV/JG4 Finsterwalde, Germany, November 1944
Dan/Slack
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Guppy35,
The Bf109G-2's markings are not generic. They are the markings of Eino Ilmari Juutilainen' Bf109G-2. Juutilainen was a 94 kill ace and the top Finnish scorer.
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Hawker Typhoon - Wg Cdr J R Baldwin DSO, DFC, commanding 146 Wing (mid/late 1944), which included 263 Sqn which the AH Typhoon belongs to (minus sqn markings to signal his position). He had two Typhoons, JB1 & JB2, each with different load outs. (JB being his initials).
146 Wing were operating as part of the 2nd Tactical Air Force and therefore flying from forward air bases such as Ste-Croix-sur-Mer, Manston, Lille, Fairwood Common, Deurne, Mill, Drope etc.
He continued having JB1 & JB2 when he got promoted to Gp Capt and commanding 123 Wing. He finished WW2 with 15 kills, 1 shared, 4 damaged.
Avro Lancaster III - don't know the crew, but it belonged to 170 Sqn, RAF Bomber Command, Oct 1944 until end of war. Operated from Dunholme Lodge and then Hemswell.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Mosquito Mk VI Squadron Leader Robert Allan Kipp, navigator Flying Officer B. P. Haletsky
Belonging to 418 (City of Edmonton) Sqn, RAF, in June 1944.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
F4Us
F4U1 Lt. Jg James Halford, VF-17 USS Bunker Hill, August 1943
Sunny Jim Halford's? Bless you, Tiff! :D
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Great thread. Wonder if some day skin description also could be a last sentence or first sentence add-on for each of the Planes/Vehicles/Boats in the Game Overview of Aces High General Help?
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Thanks Karnak. I didn't know which Finnish ace it was marked as. I didn't believe it was genaric but I just didn't know :)
Dan/Slack
Originally posted by Karnak
Guppy35,
The Bf109G-2's markings are not generic. They are the markings of Eino Ilmari Juutilainen' Bf109G-2. Juutilainen was a 94 kill ace and the top Finnish scorer.
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Wow guppy, you have an Encyclopedia of WW2 planes or something?? :eek: That's very impressive research! Many thanks to all of you!
Here's what we've got so far:
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A6M2: 251 Kokutai/'42/Hiroyoshi Nishizawa(Lt jg)
(A6M2: ? / ? / Saburo Sakai)
A6M5b: 203 Kokutai/'44/Tetsuzo Iwamoto(Lt)
(A6M5b:653 Kokutai, Kagoshima/ ? / ?)
Bf 109E-4: 7/JG26 Caffiers, France/Aug '40/Joachem Muenchberg(Oblt)
Bf 109F-4: Stab III/JG2 Caen, France/Nov '41/Hans "Assi" Hahn(Hptm)
Bf 109G-2 - LeLv34?/ ? /Illmari "Illu" Juutilainen(Eino)
Bf 109G-6 - 6/JG52 Deutsch Brod, Czecheslovakia/Sept '44/Erich Hartmann(Hptm)
Bf 109G-10 - Stab IV/JG4 Finsterwalde, Germany/Nov '44/Franz Wienhusen(Hptm)
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
C.202: 10Gruppo/'42/Franco Lucchini(?)
C.205: 16Gruppo/'43/Adriono Visconti(?)
F4U-1: VF-17, USS Bunkerhill/Aug '43/James Halford(Lt. Jg)
F4U-1C: ? / ? / ?
F4U-1D: VF-84, USS Bunkerhill/Feb '45/Roger Hedrick(Lt Cdr./CO)
F4U-4: USMC VMF 222, Okinawa/Jun '45/Ken Walsh(Cpt)
F4F-4: VMF-121/1942/Joseph Foss(Captain)
F6F-5: "Minsi II", VF-15, USS Essex/'44/David McCampbell(Cdr)
FM2: ? / ? / ?
Fw 190A-5: 2./Jg54, "Grunherz" / ? /Otto Kittel(Lt. , Staffelkapitan)
? / ? / Otto Kittel
Fw 190A-8 - Jg26/ '44 / Josef "Pips" Priller(Oblt)
Fw 190D-9:Stab./Jg6 / ? /Gerhard Barkhorn(Maj)
Hurricane MkI: No.33 Sqn/'41/Thomas Pattle(Sqn Ldr)
(Hurricane MkI: 501 Sqn, Hawkinge /Aug, '40/K.N. T. Lee(F/L))
Hurricane IIC 1 Sqn, RAF, Tangmere/'42/ ?
Hurricane IID: 6 Sqn, Desert Air Force RAF, Shandur/'42/Sidi Heneish
Ki-61-I-KAIc: 244th Sentai/'45/Kobayashi Teruhiko(Capt)
La-5FN: 240.IAP, 302 IAD, 5 VA./ ? /Ivan Kozhedub
La-7: 32GvIAP, 3GvIAD, 1GvIAK, Latvia/Sep '44/Victor Orekhov(Maj)
Mosquito Mk VI: "Black Rufe" 418th Sqn "City of Edmonton", RAF/Jun '44/Robert Allan Kipp(Sq.Ldr), B. P. Haletsky(FO)
Me 163: ? / ? / ?
Me 262: ? / ? /Adolf Galland
N1K2-J: 343rd Kokutai/'45/Shoichi Sugita(Chief Petty Officer)
P-38L - "Pudgy IV"/431st FS, 475th FG, 5th AF/Dec '44/Thomas McGuire(Major)
P-40B
P-40E
P-47D-11: 61st FS, 56th FG, 8th AF /Feb '44 /Francis Gabreski(Maj)
P-47D-25: Forca Aerea Brasillera FAB, attached to 350th FG, 12th AF/'44~'45/ ?
(P-47D-25: Green Squadron 1* GAvCa/ ? /Rui Moreira(1st Ten Av))
P-47D-30: 397th FS, 368th FG, 9th AF/'44~'45/ ?
P-51B: "Shangri La"/336th FS, 4th FG, 8th AF Debden, England/Apr '44/Don Gentile(Cpt)
P-51D: "Cripes a Mighty"/328th FS, 352nd FG, 8th AF, Belgium/Dec '44/George Preddy(Maj)
Seafire IIC: ? / ? / ?
Spitfire Mk IA: 603 Sqn., Hornchurch/ September 1940/ ?
(Spitfire MkIA: 74 Sqn/'41/Adolph Malan(Flight Ldr))
Spitfire V: "London Butcher"/609 Sqd.609 RAF "West Riding of Yorkshire", Biggin Hill/ July '41/ Michael Robinson(S/L)
(Spitfire V: 249 Sqn/'42/George Beurling(PO))
Spitfire Mk IX: 303 Sqn. PAF, Northolt/ June 1943/Jan Falkowski(S/L )
(Spit Mk IX: No.610 Sqn./'43/James Johnson(Commander))
Spitfire MkXIV: RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne/October 1944/Colin Gray(W/C)
Ta 152H-1: Stab/JG301 /Mar '45/Willi Reschke(Ob.fwbl)
Tempest V: "Le Grand Charles"/3 Squadron, Volkel Holland/Spring '45/Pierre Closterman(L)
Typhoon: DSO, DFC, 146 Wing/'44/J R Baldwin(Wg Cdr)
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
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The VVS planes are almost unaccounted for, and a lot of contradicting info with Spits and Hurris :) Some contradictions with A6M2 too, and the Fw190s are almost all stil free.
Damn, where do you guys get all that info so quick? It takes like 3 days for me to find just one matching plane? :D
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Also, is the "Eino" in front of Illmari Juutilainen's name a rank, or a first name? What about "Sidi Heinesh"? Is that a pilot name, or a squad name? Or is it a certain base name? :confused:
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Kweasea,
I guarantee that James Edgar Johnson was not the pilot of our Spitfire Mk IX.
His Spitfire Mk IX was lettered JEJ and did not have the Polish insignia on it.
Our Spitfire Mk IX is Jan Falkowski's.
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Ok, I'll admit it. I misread the first post and thought you were looking for top aces who flew those plane types, not the pilots who's paint jobs cover the planes in the game. Who the heck's got time to research all those paint schemes!
Keeping that in mind here are a couple more to fill in the empty slots
P-40? AVG/1941/David Hill (?)
P-40? 17th Pursuit Sqdn/1941/Boyd Wagner
P-40? V V S /1941/Boris Safonov(?)
Yak9T Normandie-Niemen Regt(Free French)/1944/Rene Challe(Capt)
Soviet top aces flew Yak 1, 3 or 7, P-39's and P-40's
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Karnak, if you post the tail code and AC type in the http://www.j-aircraft.org forums they should be able to tell you the details. It's how I found out our -5b is carrying a bomber's tail number.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Here's what we've got so far:
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Hurricane MkI: 501 Sqn, Hawkinge /Aug, '40/K.N. T. Lee(F/L))
Hurricane IIC 1 Sqn, RAF, Tangmere/'42/ ?
Hurricane IID: 6 Sqn, Desert Air Force RAF, Shandur/'42/Sidi Heneish
Seafire IIC: ? / ? / ?
Spitfire Mk IA: 603 Sqn., Hornchurch/ September 1940
Spitfire V: "London Butcher"/609 Sqd.609 RAF "West Riding of Yorkshire", Biggin Hill/ July '41/ Michael Robinson(S/L)
Spitfire Mk IX: 303 Sqn. PAF, Northolt/ June 1943/Jan Falkowski(S/L )
Spitfire MkXIV: RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne/October 1944/Colin Gray(W/C)
Typhoon: DSO, DFC, 146 Wing/'44/J R Baldwin(Wg Cdr)
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The VVS planes are almost unaccounted for, and a lot of contradicting info with Spits and Hurris :) Some contradictions with A6M2 too, and the Fw190s are almost all stil free.
Damn, where do you guys get all that info so quick? It takes like 3 days for me to find just one matching plane? :D
The above are the correct squadrons.
Hurricane IIC 1 Sqn, RAF, Tangmere/'42/ ? 1 Sqn had Hurr IICs between July '41 & Sep '42 so this plane would have been based at either Tangmere or Acklington. I still can't find who flew it, but 1 Sqn are based where I work so I'll see if I can dig into their history room! ;)
Spitfire V: "London Butcher"/609 Sqd.609 RAF "West Riding of Yorkshire", Biggin Hill/ July '41/ Michael Robinson(S/L) This squadron also moved to Gravesend between 28 July 41 to 24 Sep 41 before going back to Biggin Hill for 3 weeks, then off to Digby and Duxford.
Spitfire MkXIV: RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne/October 1944/Colin Gray(W/C) I'm a little confused by this one. No doubt it is Colin Gray's plane, with his CG initials on the side, but the RNZAF were not issued with Spit 14s and Lympne didn't have any RNZAF squadrons there either. Therefore Colin Gray was a RNZAF pilot but the plane, being part of a wing, must have been on the strength of either 41 Sqn, 350 Sqn, or 610 Sqn which were the only squadrons at Lympne in Oct '44 with Spit 14s. These squadrons would most likely have been part of 'his' wing. I'll try and dig out which Wing he commanded, i.e. J R Baldwin commanding 146 Wing.
Typhoon: DSO, DFC, 146 Wing/'44/J R Baldwin(Wg Cdr) The 'DSO' & 'DFC' should follow J R Baldwin's name as they are his medals.
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Who Really Flew Them?
well, Id say I did
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Also, is the "Eino" in front of Illmari Juutilainen's name a rank, or a first name? What about "Sidi Heinesh"? Is that a pilot name, or a squad name? Or is it a certain base name? :confused:
Bf 109 G-2 - LentoLaivue 34/1943-1944/Ilmari Juutilainen
Eino is his first name. Eino Ilmari Juutilainen, callname Illu.
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Ju-88 is from 5 Staffel III ./KG51, no info on the crew however.
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Nexx,
regarding the Spit XIV. Colin Gray was the Wing Commander flying of the crowd you mentioned including 41 Squadron. I said RNZAF as he was a New Zealander, not because they had Spit XIVs. He flew the aircraft of the wing when needed as for example he flew the Spit XII when he went up with 41 Squadron in August 44. On one occcasion he suffered and engine failure in an XII MB875 and nearly ground looped it when he had to abort the take off. 41 got XIVs in time for Arnhem and flew their first ops on and around September 17th, 44
So he was Wing Co flying based out of Lympne. I don't have my books handy or I'd give you the Wing number too.
Dan/Slack
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Hey Dan
Thanks for the info, at least I managed to narrow it down to one of the correct squadrons! :)
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The squardon that the Mosquito belongs to is the RCAF 418 "City of Edmonton" Squadron.
"Nickname: Eskimo
Motto: PIYAUTAILILI - "Defend even unto death"
Battle Honours
Defence of Britain 1944, Fortress Europe 1942-44, France and Germany 1944-45, Normandy 1944 Rhine
Squadron History
The War Years
From its very inception, it was determined that 418 would be unique. As the RCAF's only Intruder Squadron, it was formed in 1941 when Canada was asked to come to the defence of England following the near defeat that was called the "Battle of Britain". With the night fall, 418 crews manned their Douglas Boston aircraft and prepared for a deadly hunt. They did not fly in the protective swarms as did the other fighter or bomber crews; rather they ventured alone into the night's sky to patrol the perimeters of the enemy's airfields and shoot him down as he began his night raids.
418's fame began to mount in 1943 when they converted to the De-Havilland Mosquito. They were the only Canadian unit given free rein to "intrude" into the enemy's lair from the fjords of Norway, through the Mediterranean, to the steppes of Eastern Europe. They performed a multitude of roles that was unparalleled in the history of aerial warfare. These ranged from dropping money and supplies for clandestine operations, to the lightning quick strikes at grass-top height against railway yards and airfields. They were also in the fore in the defence against the new scourge of the civilian population - the V1 and V2 rockets.
It was during this period that 418 was adopted by the City of Edmonton and became known as the 418 City of Edmonton Squadron. The enemy was promptly notified of this change when bricks wrapped in issues of the Edmonton Journal were dropped during one of the subsequent raids. With the war's end, 418 was the top fighter squadron in the RCAF and its units score was one of the highest in all the Allied Air Forces. The pilots and navigators were referred to as the "finest in the World".
(http://www.rcaf.com/squadrons/400_squadrons/waryears/418edmonton.jpg)
http://www.rcaf.com/squadrons/400_squadrons/418sqn.shtml
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(Unit/Date/Pilot(rank) - ie) JG26/August '41/Some Body(Hauptmann)
P-47D-25
:)
P-47D-25 ---- 1º GAvCa FAB (Brazilian Air Force) ( 350th FG ) / Nov 44 - May 45 / Rui Moreira Lima (1st Ten Av )
In fact, the GAvCa means "Grupo de Aviação de Caça" (Fighter Aviation Group)
A pic of the monument at Patrick AFB, Dayton, Ohio:
(http://www.sentandoapua.com.br/monumento1.jpg)
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Working on a few more
FW190F8-Its the markings worn by the surviving F8 at the National Air & Space Museum. It served with I/SG2 from March 1944. No known pilot but Hans Ulrich Rudel commanded this unit during the time the aircraft was with it on the Russian Front
P40E 9th FS, 49th FG, 5th AF 14 Mile Strip, New Guiniea, October 1942. Can't find a pilot's name, but both George Preddy and John Landers of 8th AF Mustang fame first flew combat with this crew in the Pacific.
P40B 1st FS "Adam & Eves" American Volunteer Group, Kunming, China February 1942 S/L Bob Neale (12 Victories)
Seafire IIc-I believe it's based on the Seafire IIc of S/L J.D. Buchanan of 885 Squadron, HMS Formidable During Operation Torch, November 1942.
Dan/Slack
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Update :) I found the data for Me262A-1 White3..
We still have conflicting claims for A6M2, A6M5. I'm pretty sure the A6M2 seems definately like Sakai's, but I think I'd better search some more.
I still need a rank and a service date for Juutilainen's G-2.
Need service date for Kittel's A-5 and Barkhorn's D-9.
The Bf110C and G, F4U-1C, Yak-9T and 9U, FM2, Me163 are still blank, but I think I can find the 163.
Spit IA, HurriII, P-47D-30 are still mystery pilots :)
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A6M2: 251 Kokutai/'42/Hiroyoshi Nishizawa(Lt jg)
(A6M2: ? / ? / Saburo Sakai)
A6M5b: 203 Kokutai/'44/Tetsuzo Iwamoto(Lt)
(A6M5b:653 Kokutai, Kagoshima/ ? / ?)
Bf 109E-4: 7/JG26 Caffiers, France/Aug '40/Joachem Muenchberg(Oblt)
Bf 109F-4: Stab III/JG2 Caen, France/Nov '41/Hans "Assi" Hahn(Hptm)
Bf 109G-2 - LeLv34/ ? /Eino Illmari "Illu" Juutilainen( ? )
Bf 109G-6 - 6/JG52 Deutsch Brod, Czecheslovakia/Sept '44/Erich Hartmann(Hptm)
Bf 109G-10 - Stab IV/JG4 Finsterwalde, Germany/Nov '44/Franz Wienhusen(Hptm)
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
C.202: 10Gruppo/'42/Franco Lucchini(?)
C.205: 16Gruppo/'43/Adriono Visconti(?)
F4U-1: VF-17, USS Bunkerhill/Aug '43/James Halford(Lt. Jg)
F4U-1C: ? / ? / ?
F4U-1D: VF-84, USS Bunkerhill/Feb '45/Roger Hedrick(Lt Cdr./CO)
F4U-4: USMC VMF 222, Okinawa/Jun '45/Ken Walsh(Cpt)
F4F-4: VMF-121/1942/Joseph Foss(Captain)
F6F-5: "Minsi II", VF-15, USS Essex/'44/David McCampbell(Cdr)
FM2: ? / ? / ?
Fw 190A-5: 2./Jg54, "Grunherz" / ? /Otto Kittel(Lt. , Staffelkapitan)
Fw 190A-8 - Jg26/ '44 / Josef "Pips" Priller(Oblt)
FW190F8 - I/SG2/ Mar '44 / ?
Fw 190D-9:Stab./Jg6 / ? /Gerhard Barkhorn(Maj)
Hurricane MkI: 501 Sqn, Hawkinge /Aug, '40/K.N. T. Lee(F/L)
Hurricane IIC 1 Sqn, RAF, Tangmere/'42/ ?
Hurricane IID: 6 Sqn, Desert Air Force RAF, Shandur/'42/Sidi Heneish
Ki-61-I-KAIc: 244th Sentai/'45/Kobayashi Teruhiko(Capt)
La-5FN: 240.IAP, 302 IAD, 5 VA./ ? /Ivan Kozhedub
La-7: 32GvIAP, 3GvIAD, 1GvIAK, Latvia/Sep '44/Victor Orekhov(Maj)
Mosquito Mk VI: "Black Rufe" 418th Sqn "City of Edmonton", RAF/Jun '44/Robert Allan Kipp(Sq.Ldr), B. P. Haletsky(FO)
Me 163: ? / ? / ?
Me 262: JV 44, Munich-Riem/ '45 /Adolf Galland(Generalleutnant)
N1K2-J: 343rd Kokutai/'45/Shoichi Sugita(Chief Petty Officer)
P-38L - "Pudgy IV"/431st FS, 475th FG, 5th AF/Dec '44/Thomas McGuire(Major)
P40B - "Adam & Eves", 1st FS AVG, Kunming, China / Feb '42 / Bob Neale (S/L)
P40E - 9th FS, 49th FG, 5th AF, New Guiniea/ Oct '42 / ?
P-47D-11: 61st FS, 56th FG, 8th AF /Feb '44 /Francis Gabreski(Maj)
P-47D-25: Green Squadron 1* GAvCa/ '44~'45 /Rui Moreira(1st Ten Av)
P-47D-30: 397th FS, 368th FG, 9th AF/'44~'45/ ?
P-51B: "Shangri La"/336th FS, 4th FG, 8th AF Debden, England/Apr '44/Don Gentile(Cpt)
P-51D: "Cripes a Mighty"/328th FS, 352nd FG, 8th AF, Belgium/Dec '44/George Preddy(Maj)
Seafire IIC: 885 Squadron, HMS Formidable/ Nov '42 / J.D. Buchanan(S/L)
Spitfire Mk IA: 603 Sqn., Hornchurch/ September 1940/ ?
Spitfire V: "London Butcher"/609 Sqd.609 RAF "West Riding of Yorkshire", Biggin Hill/ July '41/ Michael Robinson(S/L)
Spitfire Mk IX: 303 Sqn. PAF, Northolt/ June 1943/Jan Falkowski(S/L )
Spitfire MkXIV: RNZAF, OC Flying, Lympne/October 1944/Colin Gray(W/C)
Ta 152H-1: Stab/JG301 /Mar '45/Willi Reschke(Ob.fwbl)
Tempest V: "Le Grand Charles"/3 Squadron, Volkel Holland/Spring '45/Pierre Closterman(L)
Typhoon: 146 Wing/'44/J R Baldwin(Wg Cdr)
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Yak-9U
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All I could get about the Me163B "Yellow11" is service time in 1945, and II./JG400 :( Anybody got more info?
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FW190D9 Major Gerhard Barkhorn, Stab/JG6 , Sorau, Germany, February 1945
The JG54 history I have shows Otto Kittel as an Oberfeldwebel at the time he would have been flying an A5, while with I/JG54 in the Spring/Summer of 1943. The cover painting in fact is Kittel flying an A6 in the Fall of 43.
Got the pilot for the P40E as well. Turns out it was then Lt. Sidney Woods. He later commanded the 9th FS of the 49th FG when they converted to P38s, scoring one kill. He then went to England Where he commanded two different fighter groups, including the 4th Fighter Group. He was a double ace, including an Ace in a day 5 kill mission with the 4th FG on 3/22/45. He also served in the 479th FG and 355th FG in England. he was made a POW on his 180th mission on April 16, 1945
Still hunting for the others
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Blooz
P-38? 49FG/1944/Richard Bong(Major)
The P-38L in AH was McGuire's, not Bong's.
ack-ack
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Got the pilot for the Spitfire Ia.
Flying Officer B.J.G."Brian" Carbury, slightly wounded in R6835 XT-W on August 31, 1940. His Spit was damaged by cannon fire from a 109 during a fight over Southend. 603 was operating from Hornchurch at the time. The Spit was damaged but repairable.
Carbury was a friend of Richard Hillary in 603 squadron and is mentioned in Hillary's book, "The Last Enemy".
Dan/Slack
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Finally found the bastard!
P47D-30-RE Lt. George McWilliams, D3-V, 397th FS, 368th Fighter Group, 9th Air Force, Frankfurt am Main, Germany, May 1945.
The color photo I finally found of this one is actually a post war, in flight over Germany shot.
Dan/Slack
who blew half the night chasing this stuff. Thank goodness I don't work tomorrow :)
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Kweassa, I'm wondering where you got the info on White 3, the Me262?
The extensive history of JV44 shows White 3 as having possibly been flown by Heinz Bar, after he joined JV44. It was also flown operationally by Uffz Johann-Karl Muller and Fw. Otto Kammerdiener at Munchen-Riem in April of 1945
werk nummer 111746
Ok now I'm going to sleep
Dan/Slack
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I lied. One more possible ID for the Me163.
Leutnant Hartmut Ryll, 1/JG400, Brandis, Germany, August 16, 1944. Ryall launched in an 11 numbered 163 and attacked a Fortress from the 91st BG known as "Outhouse Mouse". He claimed to have hit it over the radio, but in fact the Fortress pilot had sharply banked out of the way of the cannon fire.
Two P51 pilots of the 359th Fighter Group, Cyril Jones and John Murphy, dove on the 163 and managed to mortally wound Ryll who crashed and was killed.
I'm not positive on this one as the 163 is listed as white 11 not yellow 11, but it's often the profile artist's speculation as to what color the 11 might have been, unless they have an actual color photo to go from. I'd be surprised if JG400 had enough Me163s operational to have more then one numbered 11.
The attack on the B17 Outhouse Mouse, shows up in a number of books, which leads me to believe this is a good possibilty.
Dan/Slack
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Best guess on the 110C
Bf 110C-4b, Stab/Eprobungs Gruppe 210, Denain, France, August 1940
This was Walter Rubensdorffer's Test Group 210 that flew a mix of 110s and 109s that 'pioneered' the fighter bomber concept in the Luftwaffe. No clue on the pilot of this particular 110
Dan/Slack
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Found the FM2
FM2 Wildcat, VF-26, USS Santee, October 1944, Leyte Gulf, Pacific
No pilot identified. LCDR H.N. Funk was the Squadron CO. Might be worth using his name as a representative pilot of the squadron.
the USS Santee was torpedoed later that month.
Dan/Slack
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Found the F4U-1C
F4U-1C VMF-311 "Hells Belles", Yontan Airfield, Okinawa, from March 1945-August 1945,
Not sure on the pilot but VMF-311 produced two aces during that time. Majors Perry L. Shuman and Michael R. Yunck became aces with six and five enemy aircraft destroyed respectively. Major Yunck was the Squadron CO. They were the second highest scoring squadron in the Okinawa campaign with 71 kills.
I'd list Mike Yunck as the pilot just for the fact he commanded the Squadron at 3 different times. Was one of only three Aces produced by VMF-311, won 2 Silver Stars, was a career Marine aviator, who lost a leg flying Helicoptors in Vietnam and returned to flying status afterwards. (an amazing man from what I can find today)
Dan/Slack
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Gotta love days off to play history detective:
A bit more
Macchi C.202 75 Squadron, 23 Gruppo, 3 Stormo, October 1942, Abu Nimeir, Egypt. No pilot ID'd
Dan/Slack
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Thx for the continuous research Guppy, I really appreciate it!
The Komet data I aquired comes from this page:
The Me163B Komet (http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163.htm)
It seems to suggest the White11, and the Yellow11/191454 we have in AH, is a different plane.
Pictures clearly show the identity of this aircraft: Werknummer 191454, and a code '11' that is consistently reported to be yellow. Since it was captured at Husum it must have been an aircraft belonging to II. Gruppe of JG400. No Stammkennzeichen is known, nor of the production batch.
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Yep, you are definately right about the Komet. Ahh well, I can't win em all :)
Still hunting for the remaining unknowns.
Dan/Slack
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Have arranged to have a look at the 1 (F) Sqn diaries tomorrow so I'll see what I can find out about the Hurricane IIC.
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Ok, today I went to visit 1 (Fighter) Squadron which is less than 100 metres from where I work. I managed to search through the war diaries and sorties record book and finally found the information after about an hour!! Definitely some interesting reading to be done! The current Officer Commanding 1 (F) Sqn even came out to see what I was up to! :)
Now, the problem is that sorties were listed to airframe serial number and not by squadron code.... The Hurricane IIC we have in AH (JX-B) has the serial number of BD-150.
FS Kuttlewascher (Czech) flew this mostly in late 1941/early 1942. He late became a Flt Lt and flight leader with 1 Sqn.
After then it was used by about five different pilots taking turns to use it. The two that used it the most are:-
Plt Off Corbett and Flt Sgt Pearson (promoted from Sgt to Flt Sgt during 1942). This was between Mar 1942-Jul 1942 and whilst at Tangmere. What probably happened is that if one pilot returned and they had to up the aircraft again they may have used the other pilot. Just a thought!
So...
Hurricane IIC - 1 (F) Sqn, Tangmere '42 - Plt Off Corbett & Flt Sgt Pearson.
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BTW .... as I'm sure some or most of you can tell .... it sure appears that Guppy/Dan/Slack/Tiff has found his element here. Hehe .... as long as I've known him he's been a fount of info and a good source of "the rest of the story." :D
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I've got two threads running on the http://www.j-aircraft.com (snafu'd the above link) boards about the B5N2, D3A1, A6M2, Ki-67 and A6M5b. Hopefully they'll be able to dig up some info on 'em.
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Originally posted by Replicant
Ok, today I went to visit 1 (Fighter) Squadron which is less than 100 metres from where I work. I managed to search through the war diaries and sorties record book and finally found the information after about an hour!! Definitely some interesting reading to be done! The current Officer Commanding 1 (F) Sqn even came out to see what I was up to! :)
Now, the problem is that sorties were listed to airframe serial number and not by squadron code.... The Hurricane IIC we have in AH (JX-B) has the serial number of BD-150.
FS Kuttlewascher (Czech) flew this mostly in late 1941/early 1942. He late became a Flt Lt and flight leader with 1 Sqn.
After then it was used by about five different pilots taking turns to use it. The two that used it the most are:-
Plt Off Corbett and Flt Sgt Pearson (promoted from Sgt to Flt Sgt during 1942). This was between Mar 1942-Jul 1942 and whilst at Tangmere. What probably happened is that if one pilot returned and they had to up the aircraft again they may have used the other pilot. Just a thought!
So...
Hurricane IIC - 1 (F) Sqn, Tangmere '42 - Plt Off Corbett & Flt Sgt Pearson.
I've got a profile of F/L K.M. Kuttlewascher's Hurricane IIC and its shown as BE581 JX-E. He shot down 3 He111s in it while on a Night Sortie out of Tangmere to St. Andre airfield, France on May 4, 1942. Obviously pilots flew different aircraft on different days depending on availability. Kuttlewascher is probably the best known of the 1 Squadron IIC pilots, in terms of getting kills anyway. Might consider using him
Don't ya love those Squadron History books Nexx? When I was in England in 86 for the 41 Squadron reunion at Coltishall I got to go through 41's History. I love they way they wrote them and recorded all the info.
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I've got a profile of F/L K.M. Kuttlewascher's Hurricane IIC and its shown as BE581 JX-E. He shot down 3 He111s in it while on a Night Sortie out of Tangmere to St. Andre airfield, France on May 4, 1942. Obviously pilots flew different aircraft on different days depending on availability. Kuttlewascher is probably the best known of the 1 Squadron IIC pilots, in terms of getting kills anyway. Might consider using him
Don't ya love those Squadron History books Nexx? When I was in England in 86 for the 41 Squadron reunion at Coltishall I got to go through 41's History. I love they way they wrote them and recorded all the info.
Dan/Slack
Yeah, I saw a lot of references to Kuttlewascher in the sortie diary. When he stopped flying BE150 he moved on to BE581 and in the diary it also showed signals in the following format:- 1 Hurricane IIC fitted for long range (LR), F/L Kuttlewascher (his service no.) JX-E departed....' When he flew BE150 though, he was only a Flt Sgt.
I think he was one of the highest scoring 'intruder' fighter pilots of the time. Many other 'high scorers' were defending.
Sqn Ldr Jimmy MacLachlan was probably the most famous of 1 Sqn pilots at the time since he had a fair few kills and then lost an arm. He continued to fly and scored more kills and was awarded both the DFC (& bar) and DSO.
I have a couple of very useful reference books that you may be interested in (if you haven't got them already!).
Flying Units of the RAF - Alan Lake
RAF Squadrons (2nd Edition) - Wg Cdr Jefford
The second book is my 'bible'! :)
BTW Did you serve with 41 Sqn? They're still based at Colt.
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Originally posted by Replicant
BTW Did you serve with 41 Sqn? They're still based at Colt. [/B]
Nope, never served with em. No Yanks in the RAF in the 80s that I know of. I was 'adopted" by the Spit XII drivers of 41 during the 80s when I was researching the XII along with 41 and 91 Squadrons. I've got my 41 Squadron Tie that was given to me by Peter Cowell and got in the photo taken in front of the Spit with all the vets in 86 to prove it :)
Tis my favorite photo.
If you get bored, visit: http://brew.clients.ch/RAF41Sqdn.htm
A nephew of a former 41 Squadron pilot has been working on the site and I've been helping him with my photo collection and by doing the Spit profiles. They've been a 20 year passion. Anything credited to Dan Johnson is mine. The group photo at Coltishall is on the site in the postwar photos.
Dan/Slack
btw my AH name is based on a 41 Squadron pilot named Tom Slack who passed away a few years ago. He was a great person to get to know.
Tom apparently was a wonderful flyer, had the classic RAF Fighter pilot look, but not the best of luck. Shot down and walked back through Gibralter in July 43. Ran out of fuel over the Channel in June of 44 and was fished out by a Walrus flying boat. Had his drop tank fail to switch over while on a Fighter Sweep over Holland in August of 44 and glided down to a crash landing next to a flak battery and was made a POW. Thats about how good my luck is in AH :)
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A6M2 model 21 identified, and it's the wrong color; according to the guys at j-aircraft it should be a soft, pale green color. Info is here...
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/lansd-77.htm
A6M2 model 21, V-128 tail code, Tainan Kokutai, Saboro Sakai, 1942
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Ki-67 "Peggy" identified
http://www.j-aircraft.org/bbs/army_config.pl?read=8330
To quote the informant...
61st Sentai, 3rd Chutai. The 61 F exchanged its Ki-21s for Ki-67s in January of 1945 and moved to Borneo.
Also, our B5N2 "kate" took part in Pearl Harbor as it was stationed on the carrier Soryu. I haven't found any further details on it.
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