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Title: I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke....
Post by: midnight Target on September 05, 2003, 12:32:38 PM
And decorate it with Swastikas....

(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/52505.jpg)

the story -
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Coca-Cola promotes drink with 'swastika' robots

A Coca-Cola promotion in Hong Kong featuring a robot adorned with 'swastikas' has been condemned.


http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_775737.html
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Post by: Mickey1992 on September 05, 2003, 12:43:56 PM
If you want one bad enough.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3144802727&category=4694
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Post by: muckmaw on September 05, 2003, 01:02:42 PM
Anyone in the UK wanna set up a business?

Wait, you dont need me.

GRAB THEM SOMEBIATCHES AND SELL EM ON EBAY...just dont say Swastika..thats not allowed.
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Post by: ccvi on September 05, 2003, 01:05:20 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Anyone in the UK wanna set up a business?

Wait, you dont need me.

GRAB THEM SOMEBIATCHES AND SELL EM ON EBAY...just dont say Swastika..thats not allowed.


I thought the only place where swastikas are not allowed is germany.
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Post by: Mickey1992 on September 05, 2003, 01:08:26 PM
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Originally posted by ccvi
I thought the only place where swastikas are not allowed is germany.


Ebay, the company, does not allow (among other things) the sale of any items with swastikas on them.
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Post by: muckmaw on September 05, 2003, 01:16:54 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Anyone in the UK wanna set up a business?

Wait, you dont need me.

GRAB THEM SOMEBIATCHES AND SELL EM ON EBAY...just dont say Swastika..thats not allowed.


I think I just said that....;)

Ebay will pull any auction if the get complaints from people in the community.

There are people who surf e-bay, voluntarily, and simply report anything they find that is deemed offensive. (No matter what country the seller is in).

Personally, I think it's a crock of ****. The swastika, though an ominous and hateful symbol now, is a part of the world's history, for better or worse. (Obviously, worse)

BTW, Did you guys know whats in the inside of the prop spinner of the Spirit of St. Louis? Inside the a spinner are the signatures and well wishes of the people who worked on the plane. Dead smack in the middle is a nice sized swastika. Why? The smithsonian said it was a symbol used to wish one Good Luck!
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Post by: Mickey1992 on September 05, 2003, 01:41:10 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
The smithsonian said it was a symbol used to wish one Good Luck!


'Tis true.  I have many old postcards pre 1915 with a swastika on them.  The Boy Scouts even had a badge with a swastika on it in the 1920s.
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Post by: Hortlund on September 05, 2003, 01:45:19 PM
Didnt a US division have a swastica as shoulder patch at the start of ww2?
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Post by: SLCR on September 05, 2003, 01:57:06 PM
Being a "roadwarrior" I've noticed many things that would offend one culture but means something different to another.  Swastikas are plastered all over the place in Tiawan.  It's a good luck symbol just as a horseshoe, four leaf clover or a butchered rabbits foot is a good luck symbol in the states.


-Slicer
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Post by: midnight Target on September 05, 2003, 02:32:16 PM
I thought the "good luck" swastika was a mirror image of the Nazi symbol, and originated with the Native Americans. Going from distant memory here, you can google if you like.
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Post by: muckmaw on September 05, 2003, 02:40:38 PM
I don't remember if it was inverted, Midnight, but the one in the hub of the SoSL was attributed to the Native American symbol for good luck.
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Post by: MJHerman on September 05, 2003, 03:19:39 PM
The swastika is a good luck, and I think in some places, religious symbol.  As we all know, it was co-opted for certain purposes and is therefore forever tainted.  I personally don't find the symbol itself offensive, but rather the context in which it is presented.

IIRC, there is a building in Sydney, Australia (the Chamber of Commerce (?) down by Circular Quay) where the floor or the walls at the front door has little tiny swastikas all over it.
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Post by: Animal on September 05, 2003, 03:24:31 PM
Fools. That is a very ancient asian symbol that is still widely used today.

Those pathetic idiots make more harm to the jewish population than any true Nazi symbolism today.
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Post by: MJHerman on September 05, 2003, 03:30:20 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
Fools. That is a very ancient asian symbol that is still widely used today.

Those pathetic idiots make more harm to the jewish population than any true Nazi symbolism today.


1. Which fools?
2. Which idiots?

Confused (as usual)
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Post by: SlapShot on September 05, 2003, 03:38:00 PM
"BTW, Did you guys know whats in the inside of the prop spinner of the Spirit of St. Louis? Inside the a spinner are the signatures and well wishes of the people who worked on the plane. Dead smack in the middle is a nice sized swastika. Why? The smithsonian said it was a symbol used to wish one Good Luck!

There are swastikas and there is the NAZI swastika ... don't confuse the two.

Do a google search on swastika ... you will become enlightened.
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Post by: Animal on September 05, 2003, 03:40:14 PM
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Originally posted by MJHerman
1. Which fools?
2. Which idiots?

Confused (as usual)


Anyone who craps pants and try to censor something that they dont really understand.
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Post by: midnight Target on September 05, 2003, 03:45:12 PM
Interesting - The Philadelphia Musem of Art -
 (http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/author_swastik.jpg)
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Post by: SlapShot on September 05, 2003, 03:48:36 PM
"When in 1920 Adolf Hitler was appointed chief of propaganda for the National Socialist Party, he realized that the party needed a powerful symbol to identify it and distinguish it from rival groups. In Nazi theory, the Aryans were the German's ancestors, and Hitler concluded that the swastika, which had been ''eternally anti-Semitic,'' would be the perfect symbol for ''the victory of the Aryan man.''

"The Nazi flag was red, with a black sinistroverse swastika, most of the times appearing lying on an angle, to produce an even more dynamic illusion of circular movement."

The key is how it is displayed, so MT, that picture is not really that interesting.
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Post by: midnight Target on September 05, 2003, 03:51:06 PM
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Originally posted by SlapShot
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The key is how it is displayed, so MT, that picture is not really that interesting.


Wow! cool! Thanks! Gee!

Next time I find something interesting I'll be sure to check with you first.
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Post by: SlapShot on September 05, 2003, 03:52:41 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Wow! cool! Thanks! Gee!

Next time I find something interesting I'll be sure to check with you first.


... Can hardly wait.
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Post by: MJHerman on September 05, 2003, 03:53:42 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
Anyone who craps their pants everytime they  try to censor something that they dont really understand.


I respectively disagree.  Regardless of the original meaning of the symbol, its use 60 years ago has resulted in the very symbol itself causing harm and discomfort to people since it evokes only one image in modern times - Nazi Germany.  And I imagine that the harm that it causes extends far beyond the Jewish population to include African Americans, WWII veterans and others.

If anyone is to blame for "censorship" of a swastika, its Nazi Germany and not its victims.  Its not a misunderstanding, rather it is a very clear understanding on the part of most people alive today as to what that symbol meant 60 years ago.

Again, as a personal matter, it doesn't offend me depending on the context it is presented in.  For example, as a historical matter I believe that it should appear on German military vehicles (whether in AH or otherwise), on a coke bottle it doesn't bother me, and in Asian countries it also doesn't bother me.  But referring to those who it does bother as fools or ignorant demonstrates a certain lack of understanding on your part as to the feelings of horror which, in any context, it can evoke.
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Post by: Nilsen on September 05, 2003, 04:04:44 PM
I dont drink Coke....... Unless there is rum in it. That stuff kills your teeth.
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Post by: MJHerman on September 05, 2003, 04:05:38 PM
Yeah, but doesn't the Rum rot your brains? :)
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Post by: Nilsen on September 05, 2003, 04:13:01 PM
brain went south for the winter a few years back....havent seen it since.

btw..what?
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Post by: Tuomio on September 05, 2003, 04:16:05 PM
Coke is best in its powdered form, that black stuff is for kids.
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Post by: rpm on September 05, 2003, 06:52:30 PM
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Originally posted by MJHerman
Yeah, but doesn't the Rum rot your brains? :)


Drink enough Rum, and u really don't give a damn.
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Post by: Trikky on September 06, 2003, 06:22:33 AM
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Coke is best in its powdered form, that black stuff is for kids.
As they say, Coke is Gods way of telling you you have too much money.