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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on September 07, 2003, 07:15:59 PM
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I'm reading "Lies and the Lying Liars........"
Great stuff. My favorite chapter so far..."Anne Coulter - Nutcase"
Did you know Anne was born in 1961?
Or maybe 1963.
You see, she said '61 on her Connecticut DL, but '63 on her DC DL. So which one is correct? She says '63 now. But then that would mean that she registered to vote when she was 16. Doh!
Minor stuff compared to the real lies she spews, but fun nonetheless.
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Reading Franken is just as retarded as reading Coulter. All the same partisan BS attempting to get us to choose Coke over Pepsi or vice versa. Free your mind and your booty will follow. :)
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oh come on, Franken is hilarious. I mean it's not the Bible, it's political satyr (thats comedy for those who don't get it). he points, he laughs, I laugh, all great fun.
I wouldn't elect him to office or anything but, he makes some good points, and at least when Franken points out the stupidity you can laugh.
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(http://www.geoffrey-allen.com/picture/bait.jpg)
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I've been jumping around the book some, but my favorite so far is "Operation Chickenhawk: Episode One," the prelude to the timeless classic about The Men Who Would Not Fight, "Operation Chickenhawk" from RLIABFI.
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Actually, oh Apathetic one, this is a Satyr:
Satyr (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyr)
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Political Satyr? Sounds like Slick Willie.
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roguish but faint-hearted folk, lovers of wine and women.... dancing with the nymphs or pursuing them... constantly erect noodle.
That's our Bubba!
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someone actually admits they spent money on his book and spends their time reading it?
LOL
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What are you laughing at, Eagler, have you read it?
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Of course he's read it. How else could he make a cogent critique of its contents?
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Originally posted by SOB
What are you laughing at, Eagler, have you read it?
my time is too short to waste on trash
didn't read hillary's book either - so I can not comment on it either?
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well... the book has got to be worth the money if he has ferreted out a woman who lied about her age.
lazs
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Funny lazs.
I would love to see a Coulter - Franken debate. I'd take Franken and give the points.
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Don't pick on Eagler just because he only reads what the Republicans tell him to. I haven't bought the book, but plan on checking it out as soon as it hits my Library. It looks like a fun read.
Capt. Apathy the word is satire. A Satyr is a mythical 1/2 man 1/2 goat-like Greek creature.
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Originally posted by Eagler
my time is too short to waste on trash
That's right, Eagler. Why bother reading something before you try to form an intelligent opinion on it, when you can instead save time by making belligerent statements while remaining blissfully ignorant.
LOL indeed!
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Why read something that is only going to give you one side of the argument, in a hostile fashipn, no less?
If I'm interested in expanding my mind, I'm certainly not going to try to do so by reading an overtly partisan book.
If there is anything to be learned from Al Franken, it's...well...uh..
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A Satyr is a mythical 1/2 man 1/2 goat-like Greek creature.
Which sounds like the two-backed beast that would be created should Coulter and Franken 'get it on'.
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I've just ordered 'Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot: And Other Observations'.
Sounds like a laugh.
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I bet more Brits are interested in American politics (like Dowding) than the other way around. Just an observation limited to this board and a Automotive board that has a politic forum.
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I just like to be aware of the nutcases across the pond in case they decide to set up a franchise over here, like some moronic McDonalds.
Besides with Bush in power, satirists have never had it so good. And good satire is borderless.
Oh yeah... pride in ignorance is a wonderful quality.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I just like to be aware of the nutcases across the pond in case they decide to set up a franchise over here, like some moronic McDonalds.
Besides with Bush in power, satirists have never had it so good. And good satire is borderless.
Oh yeah... pride in ignorance is a wonderful quality.
Yep,. we turn the world, you're just along for the ride. :)
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Rush Limbaugh turns the world?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yep,. we turn the world, you're just along for the ride. :)
...and all this time I thought it was the conservation of angular momentum.
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That's a funny book, Dowding, definitely worth a read. :)
SOB
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I am SHOCKED! do you hear me SHOCKED! I'll never be able to believe Ann again. She's crossed the line this time and , and.. well I'm just going to have a 'Hissy Fit'.
I feel so, so.. used (I wish ;) )
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in my opinion al franken can be described several different ways. great american is not one of them. great writer is not one either.
a decent writer of political satire? sure. I will give him that. worth paying for? no! Not in my opinion.
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Yeager.. how did you like the book really?
Here's another Coulterism....
On page 68 of "Treason" Coulter claims as one of her proofs that there is a liberal bias in the media that Newsweek Washington bureau chief Evan Thomas "is the son of Norman Thomas, a four time Socialist candidate for President"
Norman Thomas actually ran 6 times. Oh and BTW he's not Evan Thomas Jr.'s father either. (Al actually called Evan Thomas Jr to confirm this. Something Ms. Coulter deemed unnecessary)
heheee!!! Coulter would get trounced by Franken... she would be curled up in a little fetal ball whishing for Saint Reagan to save her lying soul!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yeager.. how did you like the book really?
Here's another Coulterism....
On page 68 of "Treason" Coulter claims as one of her proofs that there is a liberal bias in the media that Newsweek Washington bureau chief Evan Thomas "is the son of Norman Thomas, a four time Socialist candidate for President"
Norman Thomas actually ran 6 times. Oh and BTW he's not Evan Thomas Jr.'s father either. (Al actually called Evan Thomas Jr to confirm this. Something Ms. Coulter deemed unnecessary)
heheee!!! Coulter would get trounced by Franken... she would be curled up in a little fetal ball whishing for Saint Reagan to save her lying soul!
The book is a work of fiction. It is satire. Liberals now get their factual quotes from fiction, or are you just posting us fictional quotes for our enjoyment?
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Coulter's book is fiction?
Does she know that?
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Ive read excerpts MT and have seen a few interviews and debates. The one with franken and oreilly was just sad.
almost like a tiny hulk hogan yelling at a gigantic peewee herman.
far as I can tell franken and coulter might as well be twins.
Dont give those people any of my money but thats just me.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Coulter's book is fiction?
Does she know that?
Franken's book. Try to keep up.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
...and all this time I thought it was the conservation of angular momentum.
And I thought it was all that spinning water draining from the toilet bowls.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Franken's book. Try to keep up.
Sorry Martlet,
If anything is fiction it is the "right wing's" honesty. Sad to see it cleaned and skinned so expertly.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sorry Martlet,
If anything is fiction it is the "right wing's" honesty. Sad to see it cleaned and skinned so expertly.
So, his own claims that the book is satirical are false?
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Originally posted by Martlet
So, his own claims that the book is satirical are false?
Please go look up Satire and then Fiction..... then get back to me. (and try to keep up)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Minor stuff compared to the real lies she spews, but fun nonetheless.
Mocking a woman for lying about her age is like ridiculing Slick Willy for his inability to keep his **** in his pants. Some things just can't be controlled.
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It's good to see you having so much fun MT. :D
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The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning
A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect
So what you're saying is, we can just take the OPPOSITE of what Franken says, and it will be true.
No wonder you libs are always so confused.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yeager.. how did you like the book really?
Here's another Coulterism....
On page 68 of "Treason" Coulter claims as one of her proofs that there is a liberal bias in the media that Newsweek Washington bureau chief Evan Thomas "is the son of Norman Thomas, a four time Socialist candidate for President"
Norman Thomas actually ran 6 times. Oh and BTW he's not Evan Thomas Jr.'s father either. (Al actually called Evan Thomas Jr to confirm this. Something Ms. Coulter deemed unnecessary)
heheee!!! Coulter would get trounced by Franken... she would be curled up in a little fetal ball whishing for Saint Reagan to save her lying soul!
So let me see if I’ve got this right. Coulter makes a statement in her book, which Franken claims is false. You automatically assume Coulter was the one lying because you don’t agree with her views. Franken claims she's wrong and you take it as gospel. Yet, Franken is the one who recently had to apologize to Ashcroft for lying to him about the intent of the book he sought Ashcroft’s help with (and the false claim of already receiving similar help from others in the Bush administration), as well as for using the University’s letterhead without their permission in the attempt. Do I have that right? Got to love it!
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Originally posted by Martlet
So what you're saying is, we can just take the OPPOSITE of what Franken says, and it will be true.
No wonder you libs are always so confused.
Hehehe, Checkmate.
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Originally posted by Sabre
So let me see if I’ve got this right. Coulter makes a statement in her book, which Franken claims is false. You automatically assume Coulter was the one lying because you don’t agree with her views. Franken claims she's wrong and you take it as gospel. Yet, Franken is the one who recently had to apologize to Ashcroft for lying to him about the intent of the book he sought Ashcroft’s help with (and the false claim of already receiving similar help from others in the Bush administration), as well as for using the University’s letterhead without their permission in the attempt. Do I have that right? Got to love it!
The guys name is Evan Thomas JUNIOR! Do you think Coulter is correct? Wake up and smell the Right Wing Media bias!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hehehe, Checkmate.
Hardly.
Satire - A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
From Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=satire)
Point being... it ain't FICTION as Martlet so deftly proposed.
You guys are making this too easy!!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Hardly.
From Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=satire)
Point being... it ain't FICTION as Martlet so deftly proposed.
You guys are making this too easy!!
BTW, I think you looked up "Irony" Martlet............. Ironic huh?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
BTW, I think you looked up "Irony" Martlet............. Ironic huh?
You mean the same irony you used in a definition of satire? To use your definition, satire is irony, which is the definition I quoted?
So satiric irony is different? How so?
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Originally posted by Martlet
You mean the same irony you used in a definition of satire? To use your definition, satire is irony, which is the definition I quoted?
So satiric irony is different? How so?
I see since "Irony" is contained in the definition, it must BE the definition. Convenient how you ignored "wit" and "derision".
No real points there Martlet, but a valient effort.
You must have gone to the same school of truthful writing as Anne Coulter!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I see since "Irony" is contained in the definition, it must BE the definition. Convenient how you ignored "wit" and "derision".
No real points there Martlet, but a valient effort.
You must have gone to the same school of truthful writing as Anne Coulter!
Ahhhh, so you have to GUESS which parts are wit, which are derision, and which are irony. In other words, there is no way to tell the fact from the fiction.
Again, no WONDER liberals are so confused.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhhh, so you have to GUESS which parts are wit, which are derision, and which are irony. In other words, there is no way to tell the fact from the fiction.
Again, no WONDER liberals are so confused.
I tell you what. I don't seem to have any trouble telling the wit from the irony, although the derision is funny enough at times to seem like wit. Why don't you read it and let me know what you think.
Confused? Only as to how you think you have made a point here.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I tell you what. I don't seem to have any trouble telling the wit from the irony, although the derision is funny enough at times to seem like wit. Why don't you read it and let me know what you think.
Confused? Only as to how you think you have made a point here.
That's convenient. If it serves your argument, then it's true, if it doesn't, then it was irony!
How nice it must be as a liberal.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The guys name is Evan Thomas JUNIOR! Do you think Coulter is correct? Wake up and smell the Right Wing Media bias!
From MSNBC News…
http://www.msnbc.com/m/nw/nwinfo_thomase.asp
Thomas joined Newsweek from Time magazine, where he had been a correspondent, writer, and editor for nine years. The father of two daughters, Thomas is married to Oscie Thomas, a lawyer with AT&T. He grew up in Cold Spring Harbor, New York, the son of publisher Evan Thomas II, and the grandson of Socialist leader Norman Thomas.
I don’t have Coulter’s book, so I don’t know if Franken misquoted her or not. Anyone have it, so we can see who’s guilty of, shall we say, insufficient research?
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Let me save you some trouble, Sabre-They are both entertainers, not historians or even actual political analysts, although they both would like to be, it appears.
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Slander Page 68 - Newsweek Washington Bureau Cheif Evan Thomas "is the son of Norman Thomas, a four time Socialist candidate for president."
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More from Coulter -
First Anne called Jim Jeffords a "half-wit" and D-U-M-M
Then she backed it up with this gem -
"Jim Jeffords' degree from Yale cannot be cited often enough. (And consider that Jeffords got into Yale long before the terrorizing regime of the SAT's, back when admission to the Ivy Leagues turned on social class rather than standardized tests.)"
anyone want to guess who else this might apply to? Anyone? Sabre? Martlet?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
More from Coulter -
First Anne called Jim Jeffords a "half-wit" and D-U-M-M
Then she backed it up with this gem -
"Jim Jeffords' degree from Yale cannot be cited often enough. (And consider that Jeffords got into Yale long before the terrorizing regime of the SAT's, back when admission to the Ivy Leagues turned on social class rather than standardized tests.)"
anyone want to guess who else this might apply to? Anyone? Sabre? Martlet?
What's your point? If you quote the entire context of the column, and if my memory serves me correctly, she was referring to Liberals constantly questioning the validity of Bush's degree, while touting Jeffords. Truth be told, when Jeffords got into Yale, as a legacy, he only had about a 10% chance of being denied. An legacy in the early 50's that could read or write got accepted.
So her entire point was, why is Jefford's degree so highly regarded by Liberals, while Bush's isn't.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Let me save you some trouble, Sabre-They are both entertainers, not historians or even actual political analysts, although they both would like to be, it appears.
No worries, Gadfly. I'm well aware of it. I just thought it was interesting that some on the left treat everything Franken writes as true (same for the right in regards to Coulter), without realizing both are partisan in the extreme.
MT: Yes, you could make the claim that Bush also came by his degree the same way (same for ol' Algore, the "smartest man in America?). However, it sounds like you may have quoted her out of context, according to Martlet. BTW, what is the comment, "Slander, pg 68" referring to? Is that a direct quote from Coulter's book, or a quote of the quote from Franken's book? Still be interested in hearing from someone who actually looked it up in the original author's book. If quoted correctly from Coulter's book, than she is indeed guilty of not doing her research. The truth about Evan Thomas was easy to find after only a few minutes search on-line, backed by multiple sources. Franken's claim to have called Evan Thomas to verify that he was not the son of Norman Thomas (and did he also mention the grandson thingie in his book?) smacks of equally poor research on Franken's part. Saying he called is just a cheap trick to try to lend credance to his "facts," especially when the answers were readily available from numerous public sources. However, Coulter's assertion that Evan Thomas' idiological views were likely influenced by his ancestor Norman is at least possible. Indeed, several sources I found seemed to support that idea, though only Evan's own works can speak to that.
Edit: Went to Barnes & Noble last night and looked in Coulter's book, "Treason", and Franken's book, "Lies." Found that Franken's remarks about Even Thomas was in referrence to Coulter's earlier book, "Slander." Didn't have time to check "Slander" to see if Franken got the qoute correct (closing time).