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This is not applicable to those who believe yet do not need to show it.
"The Cross In My Pocket
I carry a cross in my pocket, a simple reminder to me of the fact that I am Christian no matter where I may be. This little Cross is not magic, nor is it a good luck charm. It isn't meant to protect me from every physical harm. It's not for identification for all the world to see. It's simply an understanding between my savior and me. When I put my hand in my pocket to bring out a coin or key, the Cross is there to remind me of the price He paid for me. It reminds me, too, to be thankful for my blessings day to day and strive to serve Him better in all that I do or say. It's also a daily reminder of the peace and comfort I share with all who know my master and give themselves to His care. So, I carry a Cross in my pocket reminding me no one but me, that Jesus Christ is Lord of my life if only I'll let Him be."
This is something I found recently through someone who is Christian, which I wished to present to mainly Christians who demonstrated that they were angered by the fact a teacher was administratively punished for wearing her cross OUTSIDE her blouse without ever covering it. I'm certain I can find it on this BBS' search function, but is not something I want to do right now.
Anyway, should this boil down to "No, I'm right, there is no God. No, I'm right, there is a God." I hope Skuzzy will lock/delete this (although I'm certain he'll be on the ball with the subject title I put up there) , if not - I will request it happen.
-SW
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Found a little silver cross in a movie theater parking lot one night after coming out from seeing Sixth Sense. Couldn't bring myself to leave it there. It's been on my keychain ever since.
Thanks for the post. Sums up my keychain pretty well.
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I bought a cross in Ecuador once. It was pretty cool. It was made of black coral, and had strips of hammered silver around the end of each point. I still have it.
That was back in the day when it was cool to wear crosses no matter who you were. Back in the days of big hair, cyndi lauper, and when madonna was a nobody.
Ahhhh, I miss those days.
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Matthew 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
Matthew 6:6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Matthew 6:8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
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Nicely put Wulfe.
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If crosses work for you, buy a boxful. Wear a couple, and put one in each room of your house. And may your belief in God sustain you.
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The cross is but a symbol of the sacrifice that God gave to save humanity from a devil's hell. When I see the cross, I am reminded of what Christ went through for me. I bow in shame, because I am not worthy of it, but I am thankfull that He did what he did. The cross, the object, has n value to me, however, what it stands for is invalueable.
That is how this God fearing Christian views the cross. Thanks for the post Wulf.
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Thanks Wulfie.
:)
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That is how this God fearing Christian views the cross.
as a Christian that’s one phrase, I've never understood.
whats to fear? he's on our side.
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No argument from the "godless heathen" side of the fence.
Thanx SW.
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I have a little silver cross on a necklace. I never take it off. I think I have had it on for 10-12 years now. I dont think there are many ppl who know I have it, cept for ex girlfriends etc. Like the writer says, I wear it for my own sake, to remember me of certain things. I dont wear it for others to see. Although sometimes I wonder if maybe more people should do just that.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
as a Christian that’s one phrase, I've never understood.
whats to fear? he's on our side.
Fear in this sense is the equivelant to the ultimate respect to diety.
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Nice post SW.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
The cross is but a symbol of the sacrifice that God gave to save humanity from a devil's hell. When I see the cross, I am reminded of what Christ went through for me. I bow in shame, because I am not worthy of it, but I am thankfull that He did what he did. The cross, the object, has n value to me, however, what it stands for is invalueable.
That is how this God fearing Christian views the cross. Thanks for the post Wulf.
...as long as you're happy. There are some things I will never understand, and Christianity/religion, and god/gods are amongst them.
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Study on it some, beetle, maybe you can figure it out.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Study on it some, beetle, maybe you can figure it out.
I have neither the desire nor the inclination to do either.
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Then you will probably not figure it out.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I have neither the desire nor the inclination to do either.
You must be so unhappy... :D
LOL.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Then you will probably not figure it out.
Probably not. But I have survived into middle age without needing to "figure it out".
I have no need for god(s)/religion(s)/church(es)/mosques/temples. But I can see that these entities are popular with some.
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Yeah, for some strange reason, they are popular with about 99.98% of the human population. Weird, huh?
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Yeah, for some strange reason, they are popular with about 99.98% of the human population. Weird, huh?
Your numbers are a bit high.
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99.9755?
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Don't believe in God Nor will I ever, but I will never forsaken those that do. True Beliefs are just that in what you believe in. You can't take mine nor can I take yours. Someday we will all realize this is the case.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
99.9755?
Less.
http://www.pbs.org/now/society/religionstats.html
Christians in the U.S. number just 82%
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The Bible was ok, its sequel a bit bland... now I'm waiting for theoretical physicists to complete the prequel, now that'll be something worth watching! :D
Daniel
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Wulfe you just gave me a great idea for gifts this Christmas. Thanks man.
RazerRFS
57th Rooks Fighter Support Squadron
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Carrying around an cross wich symbolises the cross wich Jesus was pinned upon should qualify as blasphemy...
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Funny how the epicentre of these religious threads is always the south-eastern US. :D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Less.
http://www.pbs.org/now/society/religionstats.html
Christians in the U.S. number just 82%
I think he didn't mean just christians. Anyway percentage of religious people of the world population is definately under 80%. Just think about China for example. Also if person belongs to a religious group it doesn't mean that he/she is religious.
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Any person that has a belief and or faith in a God of some type? I will stick with my 99.98% number.
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I belive in the bottle!
you can up an 0.0000000001% on that figure now.
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Don't believe in God Nor will I ever, but I will never forsaken those that do. True Beliefs are just that in what you believe in. You can't take mine nor can I take yours. Someday we will all realize this is the case.
Well put! You're obviously someone who doesn't lack self-confidence.
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Originally posted by mora
I think he didn't mean just christians. Anyway percentage of religious people of the world population is definately under 80%. Just think about China for example. Also if person belongs to a religious group it doesn't mean that he/she is religious.
According to the statistics, only 86.8% of Americans consider themselves to be religious.
Only 57% regularly attend church.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Any person that has a belief and or faith in a God of some type? I will stick with my 99.98% number.
The statistic doesn't support this opinion.
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I didn't say religious-I am not religious, I said a faith or belief in a God of some sort. If you ask a Satan worshiper is he is religious they would say, what? A Witch? A Pagan? They all believe, that is what counts.
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Found a little silver cross in a movie theater parking lot one night after coming out from seeing Sixth Sense. Couldn't bring myself to leave it there. It's been on my keychain ever since.
Thou Shalt Not Steal!
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Originally posted by Gadfly
I didn't say religious-I am not religious, I said a faith or belief in a God of some sort. If you ask a Satan worshiper is he is religious they would say, what? A Witch? A Pagan? They all believe, that is what counts.
Ah... you're arguing that 99% are "spiritual". I doubt it.
According to http://www.gc.cuny.edu/studies/key_findings.htm
In 1990, ninety percent of the adult population identified with one or another religion group. In 2001, such identification has dropped to eighty-one percent.
c. the greatest increase in absolute as well as in percentage terms has been among those adults who do not subscribe to any religious identification; their number has more than doubled from 14.3 million in 1990 to 29.4 million in 2001; their proportion has grown from just eight percent of the total in 1990 to over fourteen percent in 2001.
Oh... and I've yet to meet anyone that worships Satan. Even the Satanists disbelieve the existence of a god (or the devil for that matter).
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Actually that is not true, Satanist believe in and hate God.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
Actually that is not true, Satanist believe in and hate God.
Go read the Satanic bible. You'll find that you're wrong on this point.
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Don't believe in God Nor will I ever, but I will never forsaken those that do. True Beliefs are just that in what you believe in. You can't take mine nor can I take yours. Someday we will all realize this is the case.
That pretty much sums up my feelings. If belief in a higher being helps you to make it through life with happiness and good will towards others, more power to you.
As for me, my belief is in the power of the individual to live and preach the gospel of peace, justice, respect and liberty for all. Personally, I wish there was a God, but looking at it objectively, common sense tells me there is no God. Too bad, a good diety would've come in handy during many periods of strife in the world(thirty years war, Holocaust, Stalin's purges, Sept. 11 2001, etc.)
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Originally posted by banana
Too bad, a good diety would've come in handy during many periods of strife in the world(thirty years war, Holocaust, Stalin's purges, Sept. 11 2001, etc.)
In about a thousand years, it'll be written up as a test of his chosen people in the third testament. :D
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Originally posted by banana
Too bad, a good diety would've come in handy during many periods of strife in the world(thirty years war, Holocaust, Stalin's purges, Sept. 11 2001, etc.)
Maybe His hand did have a part in those atrocities, as a reminder to prevent future ones...who knows...you will, that moment you take your last, dying breath, and enter into that glowing white light...then..you'll know.
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On a quick search, I may have been a little high, looks like a max of about 95% of the world professes a belief in a God.
adherents.com (http://www.adherents.com/adh_faq.html#God)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Go read the Satanic bible. You'll find that you're wrong on this point.
Well, maybe there are different sects that I am not aware of, I don't claim to know everything about them. However I am basing my little knowlege on personal experiences with satanists. I am one of those Christians that take the bible seriously (Matthew 28 18-20), and witness to people of Jesus. Through that venue, I have met and conversed with people of all different faiths, including Satanist. The Satanist, knows all there is to know about his master. The devil was once the highest angel under God, his name, as most know, is Lucifer. Lucifer aspired to be as God himself, and for this, God created Hell, and banished him and the band of angels following him to hell. The Devil is the ultimate liar, but he certainly acknowloges God. The Satanist, if he/she truly believes, then understands this well.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Maybe His hand did have a part in those atrocities, as a reminder to prevent future ones...who knows...you will, that moment you take your last, dying breath, and enter into that glowing white light...then..you'll know.
See, now that's exactly the type of thinking I just don't agree with, Rip. As someone who believes in peace and respect for all life, I can't understand why christians would feel good about a God who promotes death and suffering. Even worse are christians who argue for a justification of such acts as genocide as some sort of message from God.
My idea of a diety worth praying to would be one who prevents all early death and needless suffering. A diety or God who uses events like the Holocaust to send a message is not very worthy of my prayers. One would think an all-powerful diety could provide a much more benign way to send a message.
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i once found a little silver cross on the street. i glued it onto the bottom of my toilet to remind me of how funny religion is. and for a target to aim for.
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i once found a little silver cross on the street. i glued it onto the bottom of my toilet to remind me of how funny religion is. and for a target to aim for.
LOL!
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Originally posted by banana
My idea of a diety worth praying to would be one who prevents all early death and needless suffering. A diety or God who uses events like the Holocaust to send a message is not very worthy of my prayers. One would think an all-powerful diety could provide a much more benign way to send a message.
You're confusing the Liberal message they try to pawn off to you with something much more powerful. ;)
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Originally posted by Gadfly
On a quick search, I may have been a little high, looks like a max of about 95% of the world professes a belief in a God.
adherents.com (http://www.adherents.com/adh_faq.html#God)
You contradict your own reference.
I would say that roughly 83 to 90% of the world's population professes a belief in God or a similarly understood higher power(s).
This figure does not disagree with the statistics presented by PBS.
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i like the part where it used "a" god. thats funny for so many reasons. HAIL SATAN!
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Originally posted by -ammo-
Well, maybe there are different sects that I am not aware of, I don't claim to know everything about them. However I am basing my little knowlege on personal experiences with satanists. I am one of those Christians that take the bible seriously (Matthew 28 18-20), and witness to people of Jesus. Through that venue, I have met and conversed with people of all different faiths, including Satanist. The Satanist, knows all there is to know about his master. The devil was once the highest angel under God, his name, as most know, is Lucifer. Lucifer aspired to be as God himself, and for this, God created Hell, and banished him and the band of angels following him to hell. The Devil is the ultimate liar, but he certainly acknowloges God. The Satanist, if he/she truly believes, then understands this well.
I'll say it again. According to the Church of Satan (http://www.churchofsatan.com/), Satanists do not believe in the existence of your god nor do they believe in the existence of the devil, Lucifer.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I'll say it again. According to the Church of Satan (http://www.churchofsatan.com/), Satanists do not believe in the existence of your god nor do they believe in the existence of the devil, Lucifer.
If anyone would know, it'd be a Raiders fan.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If anyone would know, it'd be a Raiders fan.
Can I get an amen!
:D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Can I get an amen!
:D
No, there are no men in an Oakland uniform. :D
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If you believe that, then you believe a lie. I just cut and pasted this right from the linked WS you posted "Lucifer Rising"
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You're confusing the Liberal message they try to pawn off to you with something much more powerful. ;)
Come again?
I'm trying to have an intelligent, meaningful discussion with you on christianity. Must we always end up hurling political barbs at each other?
I am a patient man. Please try again, this time confining yourself to theological argument.
Thanks. :)
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Originally posted by -ammo-
If you believe that, then you believe a lie."Lucifer Rising"
Well, he *does* work for the Gov't. (shrugs) :D
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That was his opinion, further down there is more info:
"...various estimates estimate that between about 85 and 95% of people in the world believe in God and/or a higher power. "
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Well, he *does* work for the Gov't. (shrugs) :D
No, that was the previous presidential administration.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
That was his opinion, further down there is more info:
"...various estimates estimate that between about 85 and 95% of people in the world believe in God and/or a higher power. "
Again... this is not inconsistent with the statistics presented by PBS which puts the number at roughly 86%
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Originally posted by banana
Come again?
I'm trying to have an intelligent, meaningful discussion with you on christianity. Must we always end up hurling political barbs at each other?
I am a patient man. Please try again, this time confining yourself to theological argument.
Thanks. :)
I have no arguement. I'm just saying you can't have what you envision as God. It doesn't exist. Its a pipe dream similiar to the Liberal Utopia (that was my point)
Those that constantly have a need to lob shells at those who are religious (see Frogman) or the need to say outrageous statements about religion are as insecure as those who have to go door to door and preach God to others.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
If you believe that, then you believe a lie. I just cut and pasted this right from the linked WS you posted "Lucifer Rising"
Lost me here. I've not read "Lucifer Rising" but from what I gather on Amazon, it is simply a history of opposition to the christian church.
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When I start thinking about religion, I just say to myself "What would Ozzy do?" and go bite someone's head off.
Daniel
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Lost me here. I've not read "Lucifer Rising" but from what I gather on Amazon, it is simply a history of opposition to the christian church.
So, you get your education from Amazon? Simply amazing...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So, you get your education from Amazon? Simply amazing...
As I stated... I have not read "Lucifer Rising." I doubt anyone here has either. I do not understand Ammo's reference to it.
You're not helping.
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The "Church of Satan" is not representative of all "Satanists". According to the US Army the "Church of Satan" has between 10,000 and 20,000 "members". I suspect there are many more than that believing themselves to be Satanists.
A quick search yielded this:
http://satan.freeservers.com/defintions.html
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I always liked a phrase I first heard from of all people the scottish comedian Billy Connolly he said.
'If you beleive that there is a god in heavan, then he does exist, at least for you'.
IMHO faith in a god/religion etc serves many people well. Unfortunately, distorted dogmas are also the cause of most evil in the world too. Religion/God never killed anyone but there are plenty of fanatics who twist religion to suit their own ends, and they aint all in the middle east either;) I know some 'christians' who are about as un-christian as is possible. Conversely I know some atheists who are more christian than I could ever hope to be.
AKSeaWulfe, In a world where It may be unfashionable to publicly state such beliefs, its refreshing to see someone like you who has the honesty and pure balls to stand in their corner and say 'This is what I beleive'. Good on ya:)
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I know some 'christians' who are about as un-christian as is possible. Conversely I know some atheists who are more christian than I could ever hope to be.
I'll give a resounding AMEN to that brilliant thought. I have experienced exactly the same thing, Gremlin.
You don't have to be a christian to be a christian.
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I've always believed that people should not judge another based on their religion. There has been many times when a person finds out I'm not Christian or I don't believe in God and they'll think I'm scum.
Why is this? I don't bash on Christianity...I don't think Christians are any different than I am. They have different beliefs, and I repect that to the fullest. I refuse to base my opinion of someone on their religious beliefs. It's a shame others don't see it that way. I agree with AHGOD in that sense.
Oh well...
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Originally posted by AKIron
The "Church of Satan" is not representative of all "Satanists". According to the US Army the "Church of Satan" has between 10,000 and 20,000 "members". I suspect there are many more than that believing themselves to be Satanists.
A quick search yielded this:
http://satan.freeservers.com/defintions.html
Thanx... Two completely separate variants and both use the same name.
Ammo... it appears that neither of us is completely wrong (or right). My apologies for stating otherwise.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Again... this is not inconsistent with the statistics presented by PBS which puts the number at roughly 86%
it isnt that important, but you said Americans he said the World.
whatever
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It is important, in that there are more people who profess no faith other than themselves in the US than anywhere else in the world. Work over that site, it has pretty good info.
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and By the way, I do not consider my self part of any organised religion, but I have no doubt that there is an ordering sense in the world, call it what you will.
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Originally posted by Krusher
it isnt that important, but you said Americans he said the World.
whatever
I saw that... the U.S. statistics fall within the bounds he quoted for the world.
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It is not necesary to apologize, but thanks for the courtesy. All I was simply saying was the reference you posted, http://www.churchofsatan.com/, has a link on the page that says "Lucifer's Rising", but you had said that the church did not believe in the existence of lucifer or my God. I thought that it may have been an oversight is all.
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I believe in God, I belive the Bible, and I think it is a great guide to live your life by.
unfortunately we run into problems when people see it as a great way to tell other people how to live their life's.
for example I have met many Christian men who can tell you exactly what a wifes responsabilities in a marriage are, but a little fuzzy on remembering what a mans obligations are to wife and family.
and in almost every example that ever mentions something bad that was done 'in the name of Christianity' (these things where not done in a 'Christian way') that is the case. people trying to apply Biblical rules (as they see it) to others even if it means breaking rules yourself in your efforts to enforce it.
often it's our own mis-guided members who give us such a bad name. other times I think it's people who profess to be Christians while doing these things just to turn people off from the truth.
it's like this guy last year. I came out of a movie theater and there was a small group of people with lituriture and bull-horns yelling at people walking down the street (one the streets with alot of the hippie, new-age, lesbian bookstore type of shops) telling them how they are all gonna burn in hell, blah, blah blah.
so I go up to this guy and try to talk to him (presumably thats why he's there. comunication, right?
"as a fellow Christian, I'm currious, how many people do you think you got through to tonight?"
"a couple dozen at least I'm sure, recieved the message"
"oh, and which message was that?"
"THE message, that Jesus saves and without him you will surely go to hell"
"oh, I thought you where going for the message that Christians where rabid nutcases and the enemy of these people"
he prety much ended our conversation there.
the point is, I guess, that most Christians aren't like this guy I mentioned. on this street there where a couple hundred people (in just a block or 2), out of those about 6 where making the big scene, I'd bet that there where at least 10 other Christians on that street for every one of those.
I often wonder if these types are really Christians at all, or just trying to keep others away from Christianity.
you shouldn't pretend to aprove of things you find immoral, or wrong. but doing things yourself that are wrong in an attempt to force others to do what is right just makes enemies
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Originally posted by -ammo-
It is not necesary to apologize, but thanks for the courtesy. All I was simply saying was the reference you posted, http://www.churchofsatan.com/, has a link on the page that says "Lucifer's Rising", but you had said that the church did not believe in the existence of lucifer or my God. I thought that it may have been an oversight is all.
Ah... you thought the reference to "Lucifer's Rising" was a reference to Lucifer. It's not really... but as AKIron pointed out, there are indeed "religions" that worship Satan (Lucifer). The COS just isn't one of them. The book is nothing more than a history of Satanism and it has an interview with Levay. Probably the COS as a link for it.
I have no doubt, the COS will use biblical terms to provoke christians even if they don't believe word of it. IIRC, the bible even warns against such behavior. :)