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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyemia on December 01, 2001, 07:06:00 AM
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Having recently downloaded the Aces High download and installed it, I must say I am extremely disappointed.
Although I can see that the programmers have tried their best to incorporate many of the winning elements of WW2ONLINE and Warbirds / Air Warrior I feel they have fallen short of the mark.
Firstly I have found a lack of cohesiveness. The primary elements do not meld into a single immersive game but seem to float like so much flotsom, never really bridging into each other but rather, glaringly opposing each other like medievil knights. This is frighteningly obviously when one consideres the bomber / fighter or fighter bomber / vehicle elements.
Secondly the graphics while at first seemingly passable begin to wear at the seams the longer one studies them. In a pixel by pixel comparison with games like Air Warrior / Fighter Ace / Warbirds, the latter games FPS are much higher while still providing superior graphics engines and in this authors opinion, a much improved and pleasant interface.
Thirdly, the gameplay? where is it?
Fourth - The flight models seem very simplistic compared with games like IL2, FA, and even Warbirds and Air Warrior. In many cases an AH aircraft will perform amazing manuevers while another will seriously underperform to the point which make its unflyable? I give you the Macchi 202 vs the Spitfire V. In real life the Macchi had a hugely acute turning advantage over the Spitfire V. I find this is not modeled in Aces High. Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable.
Finally I think sounds should be customizable and the map while providing useful information should be removable. I'm sure WW2 pilots didn't fly around with a large map placed on their windshields.
All in all I give Aces High a score of 3 out of 10. I would like to know why I should pay my 15 hard earned dollars for this program.
Perhaps the community here is good, all i've seen so far however is a lot of whining and childish namecalling.
My first thought when meeting someone new: "what have they got that I can take away from them?"
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:eek:
*hands you a shovel, a helmet and a flack jacket
Put on the helmet and flak jacket and use the shovel to dig yourself a fox-hole, then hold on tight. Cos the heavy artillery is INCOMING!!! :D :D :D :D
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I would like to know why I should pay my 15 hard earned dollars for this program.
You shouldn't .
What a troll , the bait really stinks .
providing superior graphics engines
Have fun in FA . LMAO
Go dangle your old worm somewere else :mad:
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maybe you should had given it a second thoght
my friend ;) follow FSSD advice :D
Who wants so start,,,,?
Dawvgrid
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Hi MG
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You get 2 weeks of free online play to decide if AH is right for you. If it isn't....bye bye. :)
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whoops, no idea why I included Fighter Ace in there, should have been IL2. Please disregard.
Airspro, I have no intention of dragging you into a flame war. I am merely interested in some positive feedback from current playing members of the Aces High community. Are you saying that there is no merit to my observations and if so, please clarify.
"There is a 45.337% chance that your heart will fail in the next 15 seconds"
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<YAWN>
Very poor attempt at a troll, and an even more pathetic attempt at a review in the unbelievable chance your not kidding. :rolleyes:
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Waves~~~bye-bye!
Thorns :D
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Can't say much about points 1 thru 4, they are based on your feelings and opinions and I certainly respect your right to express them. However your comment about sounds make no sense to me...sounds are customizable and there are many custom sounds available to the community or you can quite easily customize them yourself.
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I should warn you, but you will soon find out the AH community can be defensive almost to the point of viciousness. At the very least I can predict dozens of "good riddance" responses to your post. Apologies for those ahead of time.
Some of the items in your post indicate you might not be aware of all the features in AH - for example, it isn't necessary to fly with the map up all the time - it is removable. Also, depending on the situation and particular models in question, the BF109 is not constantly defeated by the LAGG fighters. Flying the 109 successfully is difficult, but not impossible. I suggest you try to hook up with a trainer if you want to fly the 109 with success. As far as the other flight models, I can assure HTC takes those seriously and has high standards for them. When flaws are pointed out and backed up with proof, HTC can and does make adjustments.
The sounds ARE customizable, and the addon soundpacks available from the download page
are very well done.
Graphics are subjective, but for the most part I find AH superior to FA and WB 2.77.
Gameplay is up to you - joining an organized squad is often the best way, however flying in scenarios also offers you a way to participate in an environment where the strategy is more tightly controlled. You weren't specific as to what you thought was missing, so I'm guessing here.
It sounds to me like you just didn't find out about the game thoroughly before you made your judgements. Its not for everyone,
but I encourage you to contact a trainer and get more familiar with AH's features before you quit.
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don't let the door hit you in the bellybutton on the way out...
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ROFLOL
ATC
I smoked a Dweeb but did not inhale
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Funny. I heard the same exact thing from over 400 people who were online last night. But HTC would not let them go.
Huh?
:eek:
lol
reeel em in!
Actually, no real response from me unless you provide your actual gameId to show you really tried AH at all. No one by the handle Pyemia has ever taken to the online AH MA skies. SO imo your post really is a troll as it's currently based on no experience whatsoever as regards to what AH is like. Unless it was in off line or H2H mode in which case just about all of your comments on AH are fluff and vacuous.
Westy
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previously posted by oboe
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I should warn you, but you will soon find out the AH community can be defensive almost to the point of viciousness. At the very least I can predict dozens of "good riddance" responses to your post. Apologies for those ahead of time.
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Thank you oboe, having previously perused the other posts on this board I half suspected that some of the lower lying pondscum would slither in here sooner or later.
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Some of the items in your post indicate you might not be aware of all the features in AH - for example, it isn't necessary to fly with the map up all the time - it is removable.
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Yes I realise this but once removed you are unabled to keep a situational track on bandits. In RL you would be able to obtain updates via the radio and thru wingmen.
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the BF109 is not constantly defeated by the LAGG fighters. Flying the 109 successfully is difficult, but not impossible. I suggest you try to hook up with a trainer if you want to fly the 109 with success.
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Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly. I can assure you the AXIS planes are undermodeled whilst the Allied planes seem to be triple water injected, TnB demons.
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The sounds ARE customizable, and the addon soundpacks available from the download page
are very well done.
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Apologies for this one. I have only just obtained the online documentation.
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Graphics are subjective, but for the most part I find AH superior to FA and WB 2.77.
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I must disagree with you here, while AW and WB graphics are similiar to AH, AH takes a huge FPS hit. Almost to the point of unplayability.
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Gameplay is up to you - joining an organized squad is often the best way, however flying in scenarios also offers you a way to participate in an environment where the strategy is more tightly controlled. You weren't specific as to what you thought was missing, so I'm guessing here.
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As far as I can tell there is no information on Scenario's available to date, so I can't comment. I may however join a squad and experiment with that for awhile. Thank you for the tip.
As far as whats missing:
1) There are no missions available at all. When I insisted that my country start a mission I was made fun of and generally told to shut up.
2) Bombers are useless. I flew almost 1 1/2 hours, obtained a altitude of 35000 ft and dropped a stick of 14 bombs on a base. When I returned later the base was fully repaired. In addition to this bombers seem to be killed extremely easily.
3)There seems to be no organization at all, everybody fly's around firing stupidly without any sort of strategic objective.
4) There doesn't seem to be any sort of forward bullet deflection which was used to great success any other great online flight sims. This makes front quarter attacks more frequent and probably even encourages them.
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Pyemia stay with us few weeks and you'll see why AH is so great :)
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What does he mean "the map should be removeable" and "I'm sure WW2 pilots didn't fly around with a large map placed on their windshields". The map is minimizeable last time i checked.... :D
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The game is either for you or it isn't, as are all games. I don't know what support you can expect from people. I don't know who can convince you the gameplay, graphics, and flight model aren't as bad as you seem to already believe. As to the other features, you simply are going to have to spend more time learning about them before you comment.
In any event, the game isn't for everyone and it's your money, so do what you must either way. Don't construe that as a "Don't let the door hit you" type post- it isn't my place to tell anyone to leave. Just from a practical standpoint you will either like the game stability, playability, and frequent updates enough to hang around and learn the game or you won't. Nothing to get upset about, it isn't like you kicked my grandmother or anything.
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Kieran ]
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If you are serious, and I have no reason at this time to beleive you are not (other than what Westy said, which is a good point, by the way), post data showing where the FM is wrong.
Over the last couple of years, many, many people have done just that and have gotten positive results. HTC has a reputation for updaing flight models when they are shown to be incorrect.
Stating an opinion about the FM will not get you anywhere. Everyone has an opinion, but "seat of the pants" cannot in any way be turned into data that is useful.
Saying you do not understand why AH has a FPS hit others do not, can be true.
1) AH has to deal with 400+ players online, which translates into more overhead for network code. WB3 has yet to achieve those numbers, so the verdict is an uknown at this point and IL2 does not have support for this many players, so again, the comparison is moot.
2) AH has more objects in the game than the either IL2 or WB3. This, again, leads to more things to keep track of, and again adds more overhead.
Everyone that has been here for any period of time will atest to the fact that the FPS has dropped and each drop directly corresponds with more items being added to the game. This is quite logical.
As far as graphics go, that is rather subjective. I think HTC has done a pretty good job balancing all the complex elements in the game with the quality of graphics.
None of the flight sims you listed have been able to do all the things AH does, so it is difficult, if not impossible, to compare.
Once the other guys hit all the marks AH hits, then a viable comparison is in order.
Still curious who you were online though?
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(that's supposed to be a siren sound, by the way) SOMEONE GOT SOME BAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD CRACK, didn't they? :eek:
this post HAS GOT TO BE a joke, right?! puhleaseeeeeee tell me that it was meant as a joke...because if not...then i'm forced to come to the conclusion that the individual who authored the post (i won't drop any dimes here (bahahaha)) has got to be the most fubar'ed carbon based life form on the planet.
i could go on and on...but i won't. all i can really say is, AFTER i wipe the tears from my eyes from laughing so hard, is dude...try something else rather than snorting draino, i can't handle this much laughter in one morning. :rolleyes:
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[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: TUCKO6 ]
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Pyemia there are no ah scores under this name.
please post your in game nic so what planes you like to fly so you can get some help.
Fourth - The flight models seem very simplistic compared with games like IL2, FA, and even Warbirds and Air Warrior. In many cases an AH aircraft will perform amazing manuevers while another will seriously underperform to the point which make its unflyable? I give you the Macchi 202 vs the Spitfire V. In real life the Macchi had a hugely acute turning advantage over the Spitfire V. I find this is not modeled in Aces High. Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable.
Why dont you do some research on the la7 and La5fn before you make any statement about how inferior they should be.
the 109 is one of the best plane sets in the game. If you are having trouble flying it then you need practice. A 202 will "out turn" a spit v but there are a lot of factors that determin whether a 202 in all circumstances will "out turn" or be "out turned" by any plane.
I fly both wbiii and ah whats different? Control delays in wbiii that makes the fm seem mushy compared to other games. FA or AW?
please...... :rolleyes:
You really sound as if you dont know what your talking about. But if you need help then ask folks will help you.
However it seems you dont like ah so the best thing is to find something you do like and go there.
I dont really understand why you think we should care what your opinion of AH is. Its simple if you like it you play it...if ya dont move along.
Put on the helmet and flak jacket and use the shovel to dig yourself a fox-hole, then hold on tight. Cos the heavy artillery is INCOMING!!!
Sit'n'SpinQuackingDuck you made it clear you dont wanna fly ah so please move along. Dont troll these boards making comments about a group of folks you are not apart of.
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you see PYE :D
Dawvgrid
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Pyemia, I wouldn't let the negative responses bother you. I started a near identical post to yours. The only difference was that mine was a bit more politically correct so as not to offend anyone because I knew beforehand how touchy they were in here.
The result is exactly the same. (God, some of the people on here are like scratchy old records). But don't let that get you down because you have to remember that most of those who moan on here are just grumpy old men, so it's nothing personal. You know how old men can get grumpy. Price of Viagra goes up...they moan. Price of incontinence nappies (diapers for you Americans) goes up...they moan. Wife shows more attention to the dog than them...they moan. It's raining...they moan. The wind doesn't blow in the direction they want...they moan. A fly just farted in their wine glass...they moan.
I'm sure you've come across these types of people before. If you haven't, just make your way to the nearest nursing home.
The best way to treat these moany old codgers is too laugh, smile and say "yes" all the time.
You'll see this post reach in the region of 90 replys and most of them saying bitter old geezer stuff like; "Don't let the door hit your bellybutton on the way out". Why? Simply because they like a good moan.
:D
p.s. The more stars you have in your member rating, the bigger moaner you are.
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]
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FDSS, don't make me do a barrel-roll or split-S on ya... ;)
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Although I can see that the programmers have tried their best to incorporate many of the winning elements of WW2ONLINE and Warbirds / Air Warrior I feel they have fallen short of the mark.
You will see many similarities between WW2Online, warbirds and AH. Afterall, many of the same people worked on all of them.
The one thing you might want to know is AH came out well before WW2Online... kinda hard to steal much from that game. Air Warrior has been so different for so long that the comparison there is simply silly.
Firstly I have found a lack of cohesiveness. The primary elements do not meld into a single immersive game but seem to float like so much flotsom, never really bridging into each other but rather, glaringly opposing each other like medievil knights. This is frighteningly obviously when one consideres the bomber / fighter or fighter bomber / vehicle elements.
This is actually a fair assessment. But I challenge you to find an on-line real play only game that does not do this. There is not one. Not AH, not WBx, not WW2OL.
Secondly the graphics while at first seemingly passable begin to wear at the seams the longer one studies them. In a pixel by pixel comparison with games like Air Warrior / Fighter Ace / Warbirds, the latter games FPS are much higher while still providing superior graphics engines and in this authors opinion, a much improved and pleasant interface.
LOL! Do you use your hands to move your asscheeks when you say things like this?
Thirdly, the gameplay? where is it?
Its in something called the MA. You really should give that a try before posting.
Fourth - The flight models seem very simplistic compared with games like IL2, FA, and even Warbirds and Air Warrior. In many cases an AH aircraft will perform amazing manuevers while another will seriously underperform to the point which make its unflyable? I give you the Macchi 202 vs the Spitfire V. In real life the Macchi had a hugely acute turning advantage over the Spitfire V. I find this is not modeled in Aces High. Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable.
Wew... glad you showed up. Until now, nobody in this community really had any idea what the performance of any of these aircraft were. I can only hope Pyro is reading this and knows exactly what FMs to change to make your life happier in the MA.
Finally I think sounds should be customizable and the map while providing useful information should be removable. I'm sure WW2 pilots didn't fly around with a large map placed on their windshields.
Sounds are customizable. Usefull data? I find that an ironic term. Do you suppose WW2 pilots received usefull data from somewhere?
All in all I give Aces High a score of 3 out of 10. I would like to know why I should pay my 15 hard earned dollars for this program.
Are you asking people to talk you into staying?
Perhaps the community here is good, all i've seen so far however is a lot of whining and childish namecalling.
Ah... irony once again.
My first thought when meeting someone new: "what have they got that I can take away from them?"
Sounds like a personal problem to me. Maybe therapy would help?
Airspro, I have no intention of dragging you into a flame war. I am merely interested in some positive feedback from current playing members of the Aces High community. Are you saying that there is no merit to my observations and if so, please clarify.
POSSITIVE FEEDBACK? A) Where do you ask for feedback. B) Why would you even remotely expect it to be possitive? "Excuse me while I insult the programmers, the game and the community... please... possitive feedback only."
I must say, I find you inability to substantiate a single thing quite humorous. Hell... you don't even show that you've actually played the game.
AKDejaVu
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Don't you guys see this is a blatant troll ?
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Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly. I can assure you the AXIS planes are undermodeled whilst the Allied planes seem to be triple water injected, TnB demons.
ROTFLMAO! If that doesn't explain everything...
AKDejaVu
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"(God, some of the people on here are like scratchy old records)."
Where as it seems the AH ubb and community is getting an unexpected and unwarranted weekly visit from a member of the WWII-aviation ignorant, flight-physics challenged and social skills inept troll crowd these days.
And yes ;) What Vermillion said. 100%.
But doesn't it feel nice to degrade and textual abuse someone when they ask so badly for it? :)
Westy
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]
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Of course I do- but I will always try a reasonable response first. Personally I suspect FSDD of creating a new BBS personna and starting the process again. The message is remarkably similar (I am an experienced flight sim pilot, and I can get the best out of any plane in any sim in five minutes flat) to his introductory visit here...
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
Yes I realise this but once removed you are unabled to keep a situational track on bandits. In RL you would be able to obtain updates via the radio and thru wingmen.
Oh dear, you need a map to do that? Ever tried looking around the outside of your aircraft - it's called Situational Awareness! :) Yeah the map shows where the bandits are - but it doesn't show what altitude they are at - you need to use your own eyes and look around! Also there are plenty of radio channels to communicate on, and if you cooperate with other players they would be only too pleased to keep you updated!
Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly.
Ah, of course, you are an experienced virtual fighter pilot! - but what experience do you have of real fighter aircraft - particularly AXIS - that gives you such great knowledge of the FM? How many have you flown in real life to be able to make comparisons?
Apologies for this one. I have only just obtained the online documentation.
Well at least you had the grace to apologise for that - but obtaining the online documentation might have been a better idea before commenting on them in here.
As far as I can tell there is no information on Scenario's available to date, so I can't comment.
I don't know how long you have been playing, but over the last few weeks we have been registering and preparing for a Scenario (Bigweek) due to start next weekend. Maybe you should try looking in some of the other message boards here.
As far as whats missing:
1) There are no missions available at all. When I insisted that my country start a mission I was made fun of and generally told to shut up.
When you insisted??? ROFLMAO! I'm not surprised you got told to shut up! One thing you should learn in this game is that you do not insist on anything from your team-mates. If you want a mission, try creating one yourself and inviting others to join it... if some do join and enjoy it, they will soon spread the word that [insertGameIDhere] does good missions, and more will join your missions in future. But trying to force people into missions is not on.
2) Bombers are useless. I flew almost 1 1/2 hours, obtained a altitude of 35000 ft and dropped a stick of 14 bombs on a base. When I returned later the base was fully repaired. In addition to this bombers seem to be killed extremely easily.
While I agree that bombers are killed far too easily, I would not say they are useless. However, what you seem to be complaining about is the fact that a base was fully repaired when you returned - this is because of the extensive strat system. Rather than just hitting a base, you need to hit the various depots/factories etc which supply the base to prevent it being repaired so quickly. Learn more about strat and how hitting those targets can affect gameplay rather than complaining!
3)There seems to be no organization at all, everybody fly's around firing stupidly without any sort of strategic objective.
Everyone plays the game as they wish. If we want to join together to hit a field, we do.... if however, somebody wants to do their own think, that is up to them. Like any game, the level of team cooperation changes as various people log on and off.
4) There doesn't seem to be any sort of forward bullet deflection which was used to great success any other great online flight sims. This makes front quarter attacks more frequent and probably even encourages them.
OK so we have head-on capability.... that's how this game is and it really doesn't bother me.... I die whatever direction the enemy is hitting me from. :)
May I suggest you read up a bit more about the game before condemning it like that? Try looking through the help files and I am sure you will eventually realise just how great this game is.
[edit]corrected some bad formatting[/edit]
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Flossy ]
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The La-5FN and La-7 are NOT LaGG fighters (as in the early war junk).
Try www.google.com (http://www.google.com) and do a bit research.
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Where as it seems the AH ubb and community is getting an unexpected and unwarranted weekly visit from a member of the WWII-aviation ignorant, flight-physics challenged and social skills inept troll crowd these days.
And yes ;) What Vermillion said. 100%.
But doesn't it feel nice to degrade and textual abuse someone when they ask so badly for it? :)
Westy
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You're just paranoid. I don't have WW2 Online. I wish I did, but it's not even available here in the UK and I don't order over the internet from overseas companies.
As a matter of fact I sent an e-mail to Playnet the other day saying instead of laying off members of the CRS dev team, why don't they do a world-wide release in order to get extra income? I also wrote in my e-mail that if I didn't find the game in the UK shops for christmas, I recommend they sack all the marketing/distribution department. I've been waiting since June to play that damn game and I'm getting tired but I won't buy it over the net. Especially now that the future for them is a bit iffy.
But what you say is pure paranoia
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]
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"But what you say is pure paranoia"
No it's not. It's purely derogatory and sarcastic. And all deservedly yours :)
Westy
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Pyemia: Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly. I can assure you the AXIS planes are undermodeled whilst the Allied planes seem to be triple water injected, TnB demons.
LOL! Since I'm feeling laz(y) today, I'll use Laz's perfect riposte'..
Help me figure this one out... Do LW planes cause arrogant, pompous, deluded and insecure people to gravitate toward them or... Does flying LW planes cause people to become arrogant, pompous, deluded and insecure? In all my years of flight sims, I have never figured this one out. I admit it..... I am stumped.
lazs
Pye, say bye.
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Cue Pyemia :
Having recently downloaded the Aces High download (Repetition!) and installed it (duh), I must say I am extremely disappointed. (relax, I am playing with your starchiness. Serious from now on.)
Although I can see that the programmers have tried their best to incorporate many of the winning elements of WW2ONLINE and Warbirds / Air Warrior I feel they have fallen short of the mark. Sounds like bias.
Everyone has their own tastes, this is not your game maybe? But it seems this is a premature conclusion on your part; nothing you couldn’t change further down the road.
Firstly I(yes, “you”…) have found a lack of cohesiveness. The primary elements do not meld into a single immersive game but seem to float like so much flotsom, never really bridging into each other but rather, glaringly opposing each other like medievil knights. (soundslike you must be used to superprodction blockbusters, like the overpolished, ultra-revised down to the fraction of a pixel games from huge businesses (Sierra, Blizzard…) and the like (in the flight sim zoo for example, the opposite could be X-plane), or others where the developing house is rich and large.
Quake III or not, HTC are only a few. Have you thought of the advantages of this arrangement? If you had, you might have seen them and the good they do.) This is frighteningly(whoa :) obviously when one consideres the bomber / fighter or fighter bomber / vehicle elements. (Example?)
Yes, but so what? This is a sim,to the small details of its function, not fashion, keeping this qualitywhile producing tenfold is not something they (all 5+ of them) can do as quick as other bigger “developing houses”, and besides, it’s a sim, not a 2.99$ love novel, no need for elevator music filler.
Secondly the graphics while at first seemingly passable (Yes, a clear picture has no noise)begin to wear at the seams the longer one studies them.(You are saying you are bored already? That’s not what to say if you were approaching this with an appreciative, open mind.)..In a pixel by pixel (you are looking too close, step back a few strides, no need for the magnifying glass)comparison with games like Air Warrior / Fighter Ace / Warbirds (Yes again: these areOther games, with other interests. Extraordinary Graphics; while great for insertion, are not AH’s prime .), the latter games’ FPSThis depends on a few things, for example what else needs to be modeled…Physical model calculations? are much higherFPS is inversly proportional to C/GPU workload, aside Phy./Gfx. Engines efficiency while still providing superior graphics engines In other words, good polishand in this authors opinion, a much improved and pleasant interface. That’s too bad, you should see the amount of input the game gives you is what’s important; and besides, who cares for overdone eye candy?This is a sim.
Thirdly, the gameplay? where is it?
What do you mean? You sound lost. (Too small) a questin () answer... :\
It's there, maybe you are not wearing the correct glasses to see it is (and how) present AH.
Fourth - The flight models seem very simplistic(Exageration) compared with games like IL2, FA, and even Warbirds and and?Air Warrior (You took it too far there..I haven’t played them, except for WB. I am ready to bet -eyes closed-, something big; after being in this game and “community” for ~ a year, that this sim is one of if not the most believable(if not accurate) MMOFlightSimulations at the moment, in terms of overall physics modeling.) In many cases an AH aircraft will perform amazing manuevers while another will seriously underperform to the point which make its unflyable?[/b] (For example?…”Unflyable is another hint from you that you give up too easily and blame this (lack of patience/skill/open-mindedness) I give you the Macchi 202 vs the Spitfire V. In real life the Macchi had a hugely acute turning advantage over the Spitfire V. [/b](…if you say so…) I (note the “I”) find(“find” proof? Details on how you went about testing? etc) this is not modeled in Aces High. Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable. [/b](False. The G10 when compared to the rest of the planeset, for example, is lethal, period. If flown right. You probably did not. Aparte- “Horrendously laughable”? You are twisted or what? :) )
Finally I think sounds should be customizable [/b](they are)and the map while providing useful information[/b](It does) should be removable. [/b](it is) I'm sure WW2 pilots didn't fly around with a large map placed on their windshields. [/b](who knows? For certain a WWII pilot would feel more familiar in AH than in WWIIONLINE)
All in all I (“I”)give Aces High a score of 3 out of 10. I would like to know why I should pay my 15 hard earned dollars for this program.
If what yo usay were true,I don’t know either, considering the pessimism in your critic, but if you are this bitterly unapreciative, this BBS probably is better off without so much as 15 bytes of text from you.[/i]
Perhaps (eye of the beholder again)[/i] the community here is good, all i've seen so far however is (precedes a generalisation :)[/i] a lot of whining and childish namecalling. Prime example of it. This is a web-based game “community”, it is mostly american, …etc… you eat what you are.[/i]
My first thought when meeting someone new: "what have they got that I can take away from them?"(no comment)[/b]
And then, what Sires Skuzzy, Vermillion, and Flossy said.
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The map being open really hurts your frame rates.
If your 109 expertise is based on years of combating the Lagg 3 then the capabilities of the LA5fn and LA7 might be as supprising to you as they were to your LW forefathers in 1943-44
HT the developer of this game is just a web page developer compared to the guy who programmed Warbirds. He knows it and we know it. He does the best he can walking in the footsteps of the genius who developed Warbirds.
The gameplay is very hard for some people to understand. But then so is chess. And snakes and ladders.
The game will only improve to a point where it is playable with the contribution of experts like yourself.
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In RL you would be able to obtain updates via the radio and thru wingmen.
Umm.. what stop you from doing that in Aces High? You have the radio and if you get friends, you have the wingmen too.
Graphics are subjective, but for the most part I find AH superior to FA and WB 2.77.
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I must disagree with you here, while AW and WB graphics are similiar to AH, AH takes a huge FPS hit. Almost to the point of unplayability.
What fps hit? I know people who play this game with ancient voodoo+P2 350 systems. My computer runs it around 100fps 1024x768x32.. I wouldn't complain.
2) Bombers are useless. I flew almost 1 1/2 hours, obtained a altitude of 35000 ft and dropped a stick of 14 bombs on a base. When I returned later the base was fully repaired. In addition to this bombers seem to be killed extremely easily.
I disagree, maybe you won't be able to end the war alone in one bomber - you need friends to do that. A skilled buff pilot can hold his own well enough against fighers especially up high. For a newbie it will of course be more difficult.
3)There seems to be no organization at all, everybody fly's around firing stupidly without any sort of strategic objective.
Ok show me even one airwar-MMOG that has it any better..
4) There doesn't seem to be any sort of forward bullet deflection which was used to great success any other great online flight sims. This makes front quarter attacks more frequent and probably even encourages them.
Forward bullet deflection.. meaning? Gunnery is pretty much the same with any other flight sim I've played, of course there are individual features to all - however who'se to say which one got it right? And I have not seen a bullet deflection that would make frontal shots impossible or even hard, it's a matter of adjusting and learning mostly. At least in WB frontal shots were just as easy as in here.. I killed numerous enemies by sliding down from front high position and flipping my plane to side with rudder to make a snapshot - in WB where it was even easyer than here. That shot left the enemy not having a gun solution while I had a shot while passing over him.
Sounds like you posted your post without really studying the game and let your prejudice take over.
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Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly
Nice troll!!!
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LOLOL nice pic Raub :)
Did you draw that yourself?
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One of the best things about this game is you get to shoot down the grumpy old folks who frequent this board.
I can just imagine their dentures fly out in disgust as they go down in a spiralling fireball.
Even funnier when you hear them moan: "I thought you were out of E, where did you get enough to follow me in a zoom?"
Just answer "DEAD MEN DON'T TALK!!...so shudup!" or something like that. Then remind them those are incontinence diapers they are wearing. Not baby ones. :D
Having a discussion on this board feels the same way this donkey feels:
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going nowhere!
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]
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Its quite obviously this is going nowhere by the negative and confrontational tone of the majority here.
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If your 109 expertise is based on years of combating the Lagg 3 then the capabilities of the LA5fn and LA7 might be as supprising to you as they were to your LW forefathers in 1943-44
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I'm fully aware of the capabilities of the LaGG series of fighters. It is my opinion however (supported by data and history) that the BF's and FW's were an equal match.
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HT the developer of this game is just a web page developer compared to the guy who programmed Warbirds. He knows it and we know it. He does the best he can walking in the footsteps of the genius who developed Warbirds.
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It may be possible for me to have a chat to some of the key figures at WB HQ. I may well be able to provide some pointers / tips for Hitech?
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The game will only improve to a point where it is playable with the contribution of experts like yourself.
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I agree, its good to see there are people who have the capability to discuss rather then confront. Thank You.
I do play in the Main Arena and spend some time in the Training Arena as well. I recently practiced some dogfighting in the training arena with Betown, who is a Trainer there.
I have never flown a warbird personally however my grandfather was a maintenance technician with 10./JG 2 (Bf 109F-4's.) 1942.
So obviously I know quite a bit more then mere computer flight sim enthusiasts. :rolleyes:
See you in the MA, better check 6!!!!
"knowlege is power"
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I am just tring to figure out what he means by US planes being water injected monsters.... I dont see it I have to REALY fight to kill a good 190 pilot in my P47D11 or in my F6F as for 109s if they R flown right they give me a hella time to, and the 109s have more WEP than any plane in the game thus far.
I am sorry newcomer but your statement about being a advid axis pilot and fling them in alot of flightsims so U can tell if they r modeled wrong is well like saying "I play alot of online fighting games and I know martial arts because of it" unless U have actualy flown a 109 or any WWII fighter then U will never know what the FM is supposed to be, need I remind everyone in the community that every, YES EVERY pilot who flies thinks his plane is the best, he has to think that way if he doesnt then he will fail regardless what his plane can and can not do.
BTW a C202 can out turn a Spit 5 with proper E management I have done it and I have had it done to me.
Lastly No two flightsims are the same each has its strengths and its weaknesses.
My only complaint about AH is I dont like the tracers as they R now I would rather have tracers like the ground ack with out the grey lines behind them just he glowing bullet no trail, it would make aiming a whole lot easier for me. :D
Well good luck in what ever deision U make I could honestly careless weather U stay or go cause its your choice but before U start throwing rocks make sure U R not standing in a glass house.
L. Hodo
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Btw my grandpa was also a fighterplane maintenance technician during wartime in FAF. He even gave me blueprints of aircraft when I was 4 years old - I didn't see the value then and traded them for some toys. What an idiot I was.. My mothers uncle was a fighter pilot during WW2 and got shot down by AAA over karelia.
However that doesn't make me any more expert on any WW2 fighter.
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"I'm fully aware of the capabilities of the LaGG series of fighters. It is my opinion however (supported by data and history) that the BF's and FW's were an equal match.
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Well we definatly need to see that data. Cause I for one am sick of all the LA7s in the Main Arena. If you have numbers that make the 109g6 and 190A series supperior or equel to the La7 that would be welcome by most of us I think.
"It may be possible for me to have a chat to some of the key figures at WB HQ. I may well be able to provide some pointers / tips for Hitech?
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Well I am sure he would appreciate it. If you could get some of the secrets of the iner workings of the game maybe he could change AH to be as good as Warbirds. Dont get in trouble over this though!
"I have never flown a warbird personally however my grandfather was a maintenance technician with 10./JG 2 (Bf 109F-4's.) 1942.
So obviously I know quite a bit more then mere computer flight sim enthusiasts.
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Well that was obvios from your first post.
I have always had my suspicions about how much cooling was on the Alied planes as well. I think maybe since the developers are American they just want the americans to win the war or something and they gave the Allied aircraft too much coolant or something to give them an unfair advantage. Those of us who really love this game and want it to be as fun as its competitors appreciate your imput to improve it. I am sure that HT and Pyro do as well. You could maybe review all the 3d models and send any critiques to Nate and Superfly the two model builders for the game.
Or just post them here!
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This thread brought laughter, tears, and then more laughter. I'm still not over it...
Coolant!... <snicker>...ROFL!....
I gotta go kill more Assassin's now...
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
As far as I can tell there is no information on Scenario's available to date, so I can't comment. I may however join a squad and experiment with that for awhile. Thank you for the tip.
4) There doesn't seem to be any sort of forward bullet deflection which was used to great success any other great online flight sims. This makes front quarter attacks more frequent and probably even encourages them.
Heh heh...so lemme get this straight. You know all about flight simz and stuff and you know all about the reality of how the 109's were the greatest thing in real life and then you ask to have "forward bullet deflection." Hmmm...so I guess that means that nobody in real life was ever shot down by a head-on shot, huh? Whatever dude....
As far as one of your other statements goes...if you would even bother to look around a little on HTC website, you can find all kinds of info about scenarios and events that are run all the time.
But I guess you arent interested in all that....you just want to come here and stir up trouble.
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Just don't forget to raise the gear FlatulantDuckSauteedSquab ;)
Westy
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Originally posted by Kieran:
Of course I do- but I will always try a reasonable response first. Personally I suspect FSDD of creating a new BBS personna and starting the process again. The message is remarkably similar (I am an experienced flight sim pilot, and I can get the best out of any plane in any sim in five minutes flat) to his introductory visit here...
I missed this the first time round.
Someone ask this genius how I can make a post with a donkey pic in it, then; log out, re-log, change my UBB "persona", write a couple of hundred word post...all in less then 3 minutes?
:rolleyes:
Have you ever thought that some people like to give their impression of the game after they try it out for the first time?
No?
Well, welcome to the concept of "not everyone shares your opinions". ;)
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Originally posted by TUCKO6:
this post HAS GOT TO BE a joke, right?! ]
No, alas. There really are people this ignorant roaming around. (he's not a mowron yet though, mowrons never learn)
Tex
though I foresee mowronhood in his future :(
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Raub's picture nails this thread.
But he forgot the little sign in front:
"Please don't feed the trolls."
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HT the developer of this game is just a web page developer compared to the guy who programmed Warbirds. He knows it and we know it. He does the best he can walking in the footsteps of the genius who developed Warbirds.
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It may be possible for me to have a chat to some of the key figures at WB HQ. I may well be able to provide some pointers / tips for Hitech?
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The game will only improve to a point where it is playable with the contribution of experts like yourself.
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I agree, its good to see there are people who have the capability to discuss rather then confront. Thank You.
Man this is just too funny to be true :)
I seriously do not believe anybody could be this dumb :)
Just has to be a Troll.
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I'm still laughing at the thought of someone flying around with the map blocking his view. This is the most blatant troll yet.
'my grandfather was a mechanic so i obviously know more about warbirds than a mere flight simmer' rofl.
ra
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Originally posted by Toad:
Raub's picture nails this thread.
But he forgot the little sign in front:
"Please don't feed the trolls."
Toady has it spot on.
Who's the bigger fool? The fool? Or the fool who follows the fool?
:cool:
Even though I never had the intention of trolling in my first post I did, after all the negative feed back I got I made it my mission to get a reaction from you people. I was laughing my arse off, literally! :D
God, I wish everyone was so gullible, I'd be Bill Gates by now! :p
I'm sure Pyemia did the same. You people don't realise you're easy and tempting targets for trolls by your arrogant and unrespectful attitudes.
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Originally Posted by 214thCavalier
I seriously do not believe anybody could be this dumb
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Perhaps if you have nothing constructive to say, you should'nt say anything at all. I have not lowered myself to a level where I have begun to call people names.
I really do not understand the confrontational and belittling attitudes i'm witnessing. It seems obvious that new people and their ideas are not welcome here.
If you like i'll go back to WW2OL and spend my money there? Just say the word. Just remember, as Pongo stated earlier, its people like me who can make this game really shine!!!!
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Pyemia, youre right. I'd like you to go back to WW2OL because it seems your computer can't handle the fps hit of AH. Besides, it looks like you didn't like the game anyway so youre better off there.
Byebye... ~~~~~~~~~
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Just wanted to say to FDSS; I'm better than you at flight sims. Just sayin'. ;)
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"I look at the world and I notice its turning......still my guitar gently weeps"
Press on!
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[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Yeager ]
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Pyemia.
These people who are abusing us newcomers just for expressing our views don't realise they are playing with matches inside their own paper castle.
You're lucky. At least you have a choice of playing WW2Online. I don't. Saying that, I've been reading the WW2Online forums since June and they don't seem so hostile to me.
People on here really give me the impression they are grumpy, big-headed has-beens. They really give this otherwise good game a negative image.
I have quite thick skin, so when they insult me, I just find it amusing. Don't take it personal and remember that most people who resort to insults are just insecure.
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Toady...
... by your arrogant and unrespectful attitudes.
Point one: Use of the diminutive is usually not a positive technique when dealing with someone you don't know. You prejudice my opinion of you even before I read the rest of your post when you do so.
I don't get all warped out over it, but it does weaken the argument before it even begins.
Point two:
Perhaps you should consider your behavior in both threads, including your INITIAL posts before you accuse others of arrogance and disrepect.
Speaking only for myself, I found your first post in your "Subscription" thread to contain both of these elements. I find both of those elements within your posts in this thread.
My personal feeling is that both the "Subscribe" thread and this one have been deliberate trolls, most likely by AH players that have been around a while and know what "hot buttons" to push.
I quit reading your thread early on.. and I'm done with this one now.
So much to do, so little time, as you know.
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People on here really give me the impression they are grumpy, big-headed has-beens. They really give this otherwise good game a negative image.
I have quite thick skin, so when they insult me, I just find it amusing. Don't take it personal and remember that most people who resort to insults are just insecure.
Hehehe, irony alert!
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Pepole,he has some valid points..except where he rated AH 3 outta 10..Gameplay in AH takes time to really get a grasp of it.Once you get the hook,you will wave Bye Bye to Aw3(oops..already ded),WW2OL(Premature oops..soon to be ded) and WB's(Great run but pricing sucked(presently still does)and will sometime soon be swept under the online rug.(That is a guess..please don't be offensed WB's jocks)...As for flight models..I have to say it again,AH lacks the stalls/spins that made AW/EAW/WB's and now IL2 so challenging.I know with only one arena it is impossible to please everyone(impossible feat),I know HTC is a smart corporation(Eg..it has the jump on everyone else in WW2 sims)and it will change with the times I believe and soon accommodate the new large numbers and offer something for everyone(Eg..More arena variety).I come from AW3,WB's,EAW(No609) and now from IL2..Don't be discouraged if you are frustrated after your two week trial...That is a good thing...If you are a flight sim junkie like me you know what I mean.. :D
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Agreed, Sirloin. Talking of WWIIO, the one thing I did like was the departure model on the aircraft- when you could get them to spin. The limited aerobatic time I have seemed to back up that aspect of the model in some points. Of course there are better proponents of that area, to which I gladly defer, but the point is that the WWIIO flight model isn't totally screwed.
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Why do you do this? The people play this game because they want to, they enjoy it. I don,t give a rat's bellybutton about other games graphics, other games sound or other games community. This is the one I prefer, maybe you should find one that you prefer :)
Blutik
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Exactly my thoughts, people vote with thier feet - and so far I've seen AH playerbase growing. :)
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Originally posted by Animal:
LOLOL nice pic Raub :)
Did you draw that yourself?
Hehe, no, I found it on a website that was about as retarded as this thread. :)
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Ok, read it all and come to a conclusion........this isnt a troll. No-one is *this* blatant or downright idiotic.
Pye, pls dont take offence but there's something you really need to know (cos you clearly dont).
HiTech programmed Warbirds. ok? The guy that wrote Aces High wrote warbirds first. Programmed by the same fella. Written by the same bloke. Brainchild of the same gaffa.
The guy that thought up, programmed and produced Warbirds is the same guy that thinks up, programs and produces Aces High.......so think of warbirds as the Aces High alpha project.
And.....dude..... :D.....if you seriously compare WW2OLs cartoon graphics and mickey mouse flight models to this gem of software engineering then.......well, words fail me.
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Pyemia and FlyingDuckSittingSwan
1. you downloaded Aces High FREE OF CHARGE
2. You Had 2 week FREE TO Play Aces High on the main Server
Okay WWIIONLINE
1. You haft to order it in that takes 3 Months
2. On arrival of the game U dont even get to try the software out Without Paying
Some games are not for people and some games are. But to jump onto a board and try to tell everone. That there game that they have been playing since Beta is just "extremely disappointed." is like saying Abuse me now.
A couple of other things. There are some really nice guy in MA that will help you improve on your flying in Aces High. There are some really nice Squad that u can team up with, that makes the game A+. Included with this is a steady Updates on Planes and also the FM. Also, no were else can u find 400 people flying from all around the world having a blast.
But what gets me with all these post about Aces High Blah Blah Blah. Is you jump to conclusions before anythink else. You dont know who you will be affecting by you're posts.
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NOW FOR $1 A Day for an unlimted service and weekly updates on the game is worth my money.
Yet! I sometimes get to ask Hitech about FM and also anythink else i want. Now I think that is money well spent dont you!
Another Note. I CANT WAIT FOR 1.09 hehehehe.
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Actually if we were wise,we just left these two characters alone(PYE and FSSD),,,,,,,yea yea i know its hard,but save your strength,its no use ;),,we got a saying in Denmark
"against stupidity even the gods fights invain".I believe they both fits into that categorie,after reading their post the last
couple of days.
dawvgrid
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never laughed like this for a looooooooooong time :D :D :D :D :D
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originally posted by Pongo:
HT the developer of this game is just a web page developer compared to the guy who programmed Warbirds. He knows it and we know it. He does the best he can walking in the footsteps of the genius who developed Warbirds.
The game will only improve to a point where it is playable with the contribution of experts like yourself.
So this above was an attempt to make me look stupid? How rude :(
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Worked though didnt it?
R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H
Try some.
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Look up "attempt" in the dictionary.
I dont think it means what you think it means.
Seems to be a pattern with you.
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One of the best things about this game is you get to shoot down the grumpy old folks who frequent this board.
I can just imagine their dentures fly out in disgust as they go down in a spiralling fireball.
Even funnier when you hear them moan: "I thought you were out of E, where did you get enough to follow me in a zoom?"
Just answer "DEAD MEN DON'T TALK!!...so shudup!" or something like that. Then remind them those are incontinence diapers they are wearing. Not baby ones.
FDSS, how's the ACM coming along, can you split S now? :D
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I like how he totaly avoided my question. I am still wandering how U can concider yourself a expert on FMs I know pilots who fly UH-60s and they dont know how a P51D or even a Boeing 777 flys let alone how it should be modeled. I know a man who granddad was a FW190D9 pilot and my grandad was a ADA gunner on a M16 anti-aircraft halftrack during WWII, I am by no means a expert on any of them nore was my grandfather. The only thing I can tell U is that I do enjoy the game that HT has put out and yes there R some things that it falls short in but they are being remidied 1 by 1 and in a year or so I see a wholey different AH out than is out there today. Unlike WWIIOL I have seen the game from day 1 and I was a advid supporter of the game untill they start the pay for play before the game was even near what the box promised or anything else for that matter, I will give WWIIOL another 6 months maybe till next june 6th if it is what I expect then I might give it another try but without pilot bails or a half way decent FM it is for the most part a Flight sim crap heap, for now I will play Rogue Spear and Ghost Recon for my ground combat fix untill they figure out what they R going to do, I hope it survives the next year but it dont look good, cause when Starwars Galaxies gets released and with games like Dark Age of Camelot out there setting new standards on the MMORPG games like WWIIOL will just get left to the curb, oh and I forgot one that is in the same group as WWIIOL and its planetfall I am not a big fan of the setting but I think it will surpass WWIIOL by leaps and bounds concideing they were started about the same time but Planetfall is still in construction and is not rushed to be released. Maybe someone will get another game right on release. :p so my comrad I hope U will end your Troll War and leave, dont leave angry dont leave sad, just LEAVE.
Hodo
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
So this above was an attempt to make me look stupid? How rude :(
CHA-CHINK!
I think I just heard the pullchain on the lightbulb being yanked!
Please forgive poor Pongo as he is addicted to the sarcasm crack. :) We were thinking of gettin him involved in a 20 step program(its really really addictive), but alas, he's just too entertaining as is. :D
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Can I leave happily :D
Anyway i've decided to stay here and play the game a little longer. I'm sure most of the things i've mentioned will be fixed speedily now that i've brought them to the attention of the developers.
In regards to your question of how I know the flight models, basically, when you get skilled enough and have flown the number of hours i've flown in flight simulators all around the world it becomes like second nature. You sense these things, like ZEN really. Your no longer playing a computer simulation, you seem to meld into it as if your an integral part of the experience. In essence you become the flight model. Its that simple. Thats how I know.
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Ohh Yeah !!!! aw3 FR was a good FM ??/ get a grip LOL
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Pyemia-
I give you big points for taking that like a sport. S! :cool:
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In regards to your question of how I know the flight models, basically, when you get skilled enough and have flown the number of hours i've flown in flight simulators all around the world it becomes like second nature. You sense these things, like ZEN really. Your no longer playing a computer simulation, you seem to meld into it as if your an integral part of the experience. In essence you become the flight model. Its that simple. Thats how I know.
ROFL (http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s/contrib/blackeye/lol.gif)
Well I guess I was wrong, MG just trolls to cause upset and this guy quite clearly is a comedian.
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"So this above was an attempt to make me look stupid?"
I'd bet not. You were already doing that quite well enough. Pongo's post just spiced it all up by adding a very zingy flavour to an otherwise bland troll. :)
Westy
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
when you get skilled enough and have flown the number of hours i've flown in flight simulators......
Oh yeah? How many's that then? Got a logbook?
I've got around 2000 hours in Aces High, 4000 hours in EAW (mainly spits), 500 hours in CFS2, bout 10 hours in WB, 50 hours in WW2OL (again, mainly spits), bout 3 hours in IL2, 1000 hours in TFX (bloody old game), 200 hours in Top Gun (even older game on the CPC464) and maybe 10,000 hours in Harrier Attack (if ya aint heard of it ya aint old enough to get the joke).
We have guys in here that have been spending 150 hours a month flying since open beta (3 years?) - that's 5400 hours in Aces High alone, we've also got guys who've been flying in sims since AW DOS all those years ago.
So when you've spent as many hours listening to numpties who seem to think they've got more experience than my entire squad put together......you get a little obtuse about the whole thing.
How many actual, real life flight hours have you logged? none? There's a surprise. Me either.
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Pyemia please tell us your in game ID so that we know who to nominate for whine of the week award .
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Originally posted by paintmaw
Ohh Yeah !!!! aw3 FR was a good FM ??/ get a grip LOL
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Technically and historically it was Yes
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Suave1 - you mean so you guys can hunt me and harrass me for voicing my opinions :p
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Pyemia, dunno if you noticed in the 30 minutes you've spend flying AH online.....but enemy aircraft icons only show the type of plane, not the pilots name. So no-one can 'hunt you down' next time you go into the main arena (if you ever do). Friendly planes who can ID you cant shoot you because of something called 'killshooter'.
The only thing people can do with your username is look up how many kills you have. So is that why you dont wanna tell us? Been shot down by a C47 while in a HOG C? ;)
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The main difference between Pyemia and FDSS is Pyemia is making the attempt to rationalize. I for one wish to cut him slack for that. He doesn't know the history of the game and the thousands of topics of discussions we have worn out, so don't blame him for trying to re-invent the wheel. He really doesn't know better, it seems.
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable.
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'Constantly defeated'???? who says it is?
Leather clad Luftweenie mode on>>.
The Bf109, especially the G series, is more than a match for any aircraft modelled in Aces High if flown to its strengths, has almost limitless WEP, climbs like a monkey on crack, and it's roll rate allows you to 'out turn' pretty much any A/C by rolling in the vertical plane.
If you are having trouble with it against La5 /La7 s, you are doing something wrong, simple as that.
<S> Blue
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
My first thought when meeting someone new: "what have they got that I can take away from them?"
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Hey, that's what they say in Everquest, or on the PVP servers anyway, because if you kill someone, you can loot an item from the corpse. You play Everquest?
It's weird sometimes playing both games. You get mixed up. Sometimes I'll be in Everquest and shout out, "Let's get some P-47s and Jabo Terrorantula out in South Ro!"
Or I'll be in Aces High and try to cast a Root spell on a P51 thats running from me, or a Spirit of Wolf on myself if the situation is reversed.
What about it HiTech? Maybe you can perk Spells, so for 200 perk points you can get SOW, or maybe Superior Healing to fix your airplane.
"Druids - the NIKI dweebs of Everquest" Now that's a troll.
What am I talking about? I have a druid and I fly Niks.
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I need a life. I just read all that crap.
Toad-San, you want I should whack him?
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OMG Gadfly, you read the whole thing? :D
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Yah, you should try it......then, maybe, you'd notice all the direct questions you havnt responded to.
Oh sorry, I forgot you were intentionally avoiding certain questions.
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Guys, am I getting too hostile?
Just slap me about the head if I am.
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Originally posted by O'Westy:
bland troll. :)
Westy
A lot of bland fish in the pond heeheehee.
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Pyemia--
I am not going to be particularly rude to you, whether you're a troll or not. However, some of your examples are quite obviously wrong.
Take, for example, in AW3:
AW3 Bf-109K4's top speed was only 400 MPH; this is from 28 to 58 MPH too slow depending on the source you believe. With your massive flightsim experience, how did you not notice this? AW had many other faults; as an AW player for many years I am well aware of them.
Also, calling AH's flight model simplistic, then using FA and AW as examples of "better", is laughable. Fighter Ace's flight modeling is designed for play balance, NOT strict realism, and so the planes in many cases simply do NOT perform like their historical counterparts. AW was generally better than FA, but even then it had problems in Full Realism. AW's blackout model was artificially tied to joystick deflection, and its stall modeling had a timer on to limit when you could recover from a spin.
AH's flight model indeed feels a bit quirky, but in terms of the numbers it spits out for the planes it is more accurate than either FA or AW3, and very comparible to WarBirds. I don't like it much myself either, but in the end that's more a matter of personal taste. In my opinion WarBirds has the best flight model currently available, and even then it's very similar to AH.
You DO have a valid point in one regard--the AH interface. AH's interface is by far the most "spartan" of the online flightsims, and in my opinion needs some serious work. However, HTC can't do everything at once and they've been busier producing a better game than with making the interface look pretty. Still, if AH is ever destined to make it "big time", they need a better interface.
If you are a Troll, then you were quite successful. If not, you must decide if AH's pros outweigh its cons.
J_A_B
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He's only flown AH for 30 minutes?..Oh dear.. :( :( :(
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Ah, er, um.....actually Beef, that was me who speculated he's only flown for 30 mins......and that speculation was very sarcastic.
Just setting record straight so he's got one less thing to whine about.
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The biggest challenge in AH is flying without crashing into someones over inflated ego.
I said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest attraction in AH is that you get to shoot down some really nasty, ant-social characters. It's sort of like playing Rogue Spear where instead of the enemy being controlled by the AI, you have the real thing, just not so smart.
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Prolly 35 minutes.
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And I have to say, flyingdoobiesmokingashcan here has a point. I'm always elated whenever I shoot down Creamo.
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Swoop - too hostile? not at all. However i'm fully aware of the so called dweeb hunting that takes place in the MA, plus I like my check 6 calls. :)
J.A.B - sorry but I think your logic is fundamentally flawed (rethink).
Sirloin - Much longer then 30 mins. I have played online a total of 33.7 Hours.
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Holy crap guys! And I thought Flyingmonkeypoop was a good troller...
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Well,welcome to AH Pyemia.As you can see the BBS here is quite lively.But when you are a newly registered poster,you can't blame people for suspecting a troll in strongly worded posts like yours was.Too many people after their two weeks are up will post a "Farewell troll"..It is getting tiresome.Glad to see you are sticking around. :D
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Hello Majic, come join the newbie bashing :(
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Pyemia, dweeb hunts dont really go on as much as anyone would think. A dweeb hunt usually consists of you shooting down someone who cares and them telling all their mates that "Pyemia is flying the Yak at A10". By which time you've landed and taken a 190 up, then some poor sod who's taken another Yak up over A10 wonders why he's got 12 cons on his tail.
Personally I like the advertising since I fly popular aircraft (mainly spits) so there's always someone else around who can be mistaken for me........and it also means some people are willing to chase you deep into unfriendly territory to get shot down 1v1 / get jumped on by your squad mates. :D
BTW, you joined / joining a squadron? Aces High is a totally new ball game if you've got some wingies to depend on. Of course, it all depends who......
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Originally posted by Swoop:
BTW, you joined / joining a squadron? Aces High is a totally new ball game if you've got some wingies to depend on. Of course, it all depends who......
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Well I put an advertisement in the Squadron section and have been offered a place with the 101st Airborne Heavy Artillery Regiment by Commander Rialbh. Apparently this squad is one of the most successful in Aces High anyhow and full training is to be provided. So the money's well spent imo.
Thank You for asking
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mmmmpfmmmpfmm....Commander rialbH. <chuckle>
Good luck with all that.
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My logic is flawed? Eh, what logic? All I did was provide some indisputable examples, then a personal opinion. Unless, of course, you believe the AW 109K with its 400 MPH top speed is more accurately modeled than the AH 109G-10 with its 452 MPH top speed.
The only logic in my post was the assumption that you may be more than a Troll. As you said, that logic probably IS flawed, but I tend to give people the bebefit of the doubt.
I hope you enjoy your time with Cmdr Rialbh; he IS the Imperial Bishop Commander (by popular request), so he's a good guy to get to know.
J_A_B
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Swoop,your logo looks like bounce fabric softener box.. :D
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This thread was funny and all, but my favorite quote comes from his post in the squadron forum.
My grandfather was also a aircraft technician with 10./JG 2, so I have some practical background experience.
huh?
F.
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Pyemia could you give that callsign again?
I couldn't find any player with ID suave1 in playerstats from the last 3 tours.
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The biggest challenge in AH is flying without crashing into someones over inflated ego.
I said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest attraction in AH is that you get to shoot down some really nasty, ant-social characters. It's sort of like playing Rogue Spear where instead of the enemy being controlled by the AI, you have the real thing, just not so smart.
Right FDSS, but ya goto learn how to fly first, ;)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy:
If you are serious, and I have no reason at this time to beleive you are not (other than what Westy said, which is a good point, by the way), post data showing where the FM is wrong.
Hi skuzzy.... <S>
The problem with that is everyone is always trying to prove a "negative". Since no FM empirical data sets are published by any on-line sim development teams, there's absolutely no way to conduct anything but a subjective "my dog is bigger than yours" type of discussion. This usually deteriorates quickly into the classic sycophant versus others diatribes and becomes a contest between personalities, as opposed to intelligent discussion of any facts.
These are only games and more and more all of the MMP on-line flight sims are becoming generic air/land/sea combat simulations in order to boost subscriptions. I'm not sure that it really matters that much about FM perfectionism, as long as each sim's plane sets fly reasonably well in comparison to each other. IMHO, Dale and Doug's FM implementation, when evaluated within the overall context of AH itself, is a pretty damn good comparative representation of WWII combat aircraft performance..
Regards,
Badger
BTW...
Pyemia ...
redicule=ridicule ... :D
I thought I recognized that trademark. ;)
You're bad... Call some time for a chat.
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Originally posted by Mr RiplEy:
I couldn't find any player with ID suave1 in playerstats from the last 3 tours.
That wasn't his ID - he was replying to Suave1! :)
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Good grief Badger. Drop the thesaurus usage in WORD. We all have it, but most use it for spellchecker.
Your use of “Empirical” “sycophant” “diatribes” while thinking your clever saying “as opposed to intelligent discussion of any facts.” to discount any comments in the discussion is sure roadkill.
Pardon me saying, Sir, you are a dipshit.
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Considering I never finished high school, I don't even know what a "thesaurus" is and I haven't got Word, or even a spell checker installed on my computer, but apparently you do. :D
Originally posted by Creamo:
....I noticed you were quick to post your 3DMARK2001 scores when you thought they were impressive as well.
If that's what you took away from a simple response to a request by -ammo- for everyone to post their 3DMarks, then obviously you're a pretty insecure individual with some bizarre alternate agenda that's personal. I hope stalking isn't next. ;)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=001387 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=001387)
Originally posted by Creamo:
....Pardon me saying, Sir, you are a dipshit.
http://flames.ontheinter.net/ (http://flames.ontheinter.net/)
"Human motivation is by no means simple to understand, but psychological studies have shed some light on this new wave of antisocial behavior. To begin with, the "troll" is undoubtedly angry. The root of the anger is most likely unfulfilled needs and/or psychological problems and/or jealousy. Despite what the "troll" or "flamer" has written, you are not the cause of his or her frustration. He or she is hoping you will take their words personally, but to do so would be foolish on your part. Most likely, the "troll" lacks the courage to speak his mind in person. He's probably timid around his teachers or his boss, and is seeking to compensate for this. What provides him the "courage" to make his attacks is anonymity."
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
So the money's well spent imo.
ROFLMAO! You are willing to spend money to join a squadron! :eek:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000375 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000375)
Now I've seen it all! :D
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Well I put an advertisement in the Squadron section and have been offered a place with the 101st Airborne Heavy Artillery Regiment by Commander Rialbh. Apparently this squad is one of the most successful in Aces High anyhow and full training is to be provided. So the money's well spent imo.
Thank You for asking
alright 'nuffs enuff who is this?
give it up come clean we all had a good laugh.
A+ troll no doudt..........
End it now
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Originally posted by Flossy:
Now I've seen it all! :D
Sit tight sister, you ain't seen nothing yet :)
Badboy
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I think Pye just finished reading "A Confederacy of Dunces". That or he IS Ignatius J. Reilly.
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There is only one reason someone would be so reluctant to reveal his ID . This is a troll folks, albiet a good one. Now let the speculation on who this fellow is begin . My first guess is that pato swan guy .
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I just don't get this?
thats cos you're retarded,stop with the damn troll threads
how can i tell this is a troll,cos you compare aces high with WWIIOL, WB, and AW
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Originally posted by Badboy:
Sit tight sister, you ain't seen nothing yet :)
Oh, now that sounds intriguing, Badboy! ;)
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Last time I seen a mouth like that, it had a hook in it!!!! :)
Methinks others have bitten the pike bait a smiggen too hard!
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ROFLMAO! You are willing to spend money to join a squadron!
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Yes. Its one of the best squads in Aces High.
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Hehe, what a piece of work.
Pond scum? LOL! Well let me be the 126th respondent to this umm, post. <snicker>
Goom bye, goom faces! :rolleyes:
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Pyemia is not me. How many times must I say this?
Even though everyone considers me a troll, I am not. I am an accidental and reluctant troll. I am the product of negative brain patterns. I am a victim of this message board.
I came to this message an innocent flight simmer and was exposed to the darker side of online flying. I have now become a more hard and evil online flyer. Whereas before I never used to shoot at chutes, now I go looking for them and shred em to pieces. I used to escort bombers, now I just watch them go down in flames.
I am not the trustworthy, reliable virtual pilot I once was.
I hope you're all happy at what you've made me become.
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Don't worry fryingduckshittinswan. My moneys on it being either Festibria, NathBDP, or Towd. Gunman26/42/52 is out of the question coz he just couldn't spell them big word.
The only thing that suprises me is the number of 'trollees'.
Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Pyemia is not me. How many times must I say this?
Even though everyone considers me a troll, I am not. I am an accidental and reluctant troll. I am the product of negative brain patterns. I am a victim of this message board.
I came to this message an innocent flight simmer and was exposed to the darker side of online flying. I have now become a more hard and evil online flyer. Whereas before I never used to shoot at chutes, now I go looking for them and shred em to pieces. I used to escort bombers, now I just watch them go down in flames.
I am not the trustworthy, reliable virtual pilot I once was.
I hope you're all happy at what you've made me become.
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"I came to this message an innocent flight simmer and was exposed to the darker side of online flying. I have now become a more hard and evil online flyer. Whereas before I never used to shoot at chutes, now I go looking for them and shred em to pieces. I used to escort bombers, now I just watch them go down in flames."
Feel the HATE flow through you. Give in to your anger!
J_A_B
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"I broke my Wookie"
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Hey Beef, that sig made laugh.
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BTW for your information I am writing a flight sim. I am an expert in C, C++, Assembler, COBOL and Visual and standard BASIC.
And really I don't care if you don't believe me as I assume you wont.
Its focuses around the Battle of Kursk. Heres an exerpt from the first scenario.
"The most destructive battle in the history of war has now begun. In the prelude to the battle, a matter of only hours, more shells and bombs are used up then during the whole of the Polish and French campaigns. Your mission, fly with your Bf109F-4 sqaudron and destroy any enemy aircraft and armour that you encounter. Sieghail!.
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Flight modeling and some artwork is already completed. It will be the largest capacity MMP game available when it is released. I'm also working closely with some relatives of pilots to get the FM's perfected.
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Just one question:
why the :(?
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AW had graphics similiar to AH? Me thinks this dweeb has never played either game.
Originally posted by Pyemia:
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I must disagree with you here, while AW and WB graphics are similiar to AH, AH takes a huge FPS hit. Almost to the point of unplayability.
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My money is on Fester.
F.
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I actually spent the time reading this thread too
Either this is one of the best trolls ever or Pye here needs some serious help with his flying ability.
(although he did get me in his spit9 when i logged on earlier, but i call foul since I haven't slept since Wednesday night and i'm just running on fumes now)
109s vs La7s is an easy win for the 109 if he plays his cards right. Check my stats. only one tour where I had less then 1:1 k/d
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K/D means nothing Moose. Only thing that is important is how many you get b4 you die. I killed you first, your dead. Anything else is just fantasy.
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My vote is Hblair. Pyemia is certainly a step beyond Commander rialbH in nuance. <S!> and thanks, really, for all those who responded and helped keep me entertained this morning.
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entertained this morning,,,,,or these days ;)
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I dont exactly see what you're getting at.
But, anyway, if you're bragging that your Spit9 beat my SpitV, then well... hats off to you. Ya got the better of me. Although let it be known that Wilbuz was the one who tore my wing off but you got the kill for the oil line you hit. I had ya on the run when he bounced me :)
Let me also point out that in an even match (109G10s) you didn't have a chance.
Don't complain about the models of the 109 when you aren't using it right. It's a vertical aircraft, not a horizontal.
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"K/D means nothing"
DOES TOO!
I outrank you. Take that Diahremia!!
Westy
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Not bragging, you insulted my flying skills, so I insulted yours.
Regarding you having me on the run, not true, was merely waiting for your engine to quit. No use beating a dead horse is there.
109 fight was great, you kicked my bellybutton good yes. 109 is vertical fighter mostly yes. However in a fight with the same model aircraft you can basically do whatever you want without worry whether the other plane can do it better. I chose to take you horizontal because I figured you would be unfamiliar with it horizontal seeing as you fly a lot of 109's. Unfortunately I was wrong or stupid or both. You either had very little fuel or your just a superior G10 pilot.
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Originally posted by Pyemia:
Its focuses around the Battle of Kursk. Heres an exerpt from the first scenario.
"The most destructive battle in the history of war has now begun. In the prelude to the battle, a matter of only hours, more shells and bombs are used up then during the whole of the Polish and French campaigns. Your mission, fly with your Bf109F-4 sqaudron and destroy any enemy aircraft and armour that you encounter. Sieghail!.
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Flight modeling and some artwork is already completed. It will be the largest capacity MMP game available when it is released. I'm also working closely with some relatives of pilots to get the FM's perfected.
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Keep up good work! Your absolutely fantastic! This board started to live again!
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Dated a gal named FlyingDuckSittingSwan in Pleiku City 30 years ago. Gave me a bad case of Pyemia. All these years of antibiotics and the sores still ain't gone away.
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Originally posted by Arfann:
Dated a gal named FlyingDuckSittingSwan in Pleiku City 30 years ago. Gave me a bad case of Pyemia. All these years of antibiotics and the sores still ain't gone away.
ROFL :D
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I chose to take you
horizontal because I figured you would be unfamiliar with it horizontal seeing as you fly
a lot of 109's. Unfortunately I was wrong or stupid or both. You either had very little
fuel or your just a superior G10 pilot.
By golly Paella there's some hope for you yet :D
You learned something and seem open to continue the process. Thats good cuz then mebbe you'll truly one day become a good fiter pilit in the ruthless skies of Aces High. I salute you grasshopper <S>
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I have just noticed that Pyemias email address is an Australian one and that means there is a 99% chance he is Australian. I would just like to assure you all that the majority of us are not like this. Well, I hope i dont come across like this.
If this IS a troll, its quite amusing. I've spent the last 30 minutes reading it all (instead of working) and it has illicited a few chuckles.
BTW, i suck at everything in AH right now except maybe bombing runs, so i dont care what is said about me. I've have an immense amount of fun and I find 90% of the people online to be great people, I dont understand all this stuff about people being whiners and morons.
Sorry about the boring post.
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This post was intended entirely are a joke. Its come to my attention however that some people are annoyed by and or offended by this post and as it was not my intention to annoy and or offend please consider this thread closed.
Pyemia aka Zygote