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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs1 on December 01, 2001, 10:43:00 AM
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Was getting a little unweildy. My lazy nature makes me cut and paste. This is not so much about an island to furball as it is a "place(s)" to do so.
"stsanta said it... strat potatos and the timid accountants of the sky are pissed when a furball is formed or when there is a chance for one because..... If people aren't forced to... they won't play with em. Mommy used to make people play with em why won't HTC?
Manly melee artists are pissed when they have no opportunity. Or the opportunities are few and far between.
It isn't the ack umbrella (although that is a small part of it) It's the availability of a close fight. A close fight makes for fights between fields with squadmates being able to work together and a lot of action.
Feilds farther apart cause timidity. Who wants to get gangbanged after a long boring flight? You can sit on your hands and wait for an "organized" attack (read gangbang) that will be fun only for an accountant or.... you can circle your own ack and wait for attackers stupid enough to dribble in and hope that yuou are the one of 6 guys chasing said stupid con that get's the (steals the)kill.
CV's being hardened or more of em would help create "closer fields" with current resources. Sky accountants don't want this because if there is a fun place to be.... that's where people will go.
lazs"
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well... actualy... stsanta used the term "siphon off players" to describe what happens when there is opportunity for fu, fu, fun but... I tend to be a trifle more blunt.
lazs
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And for those just joining the conversation:
Lazs wants this:
- A place in the arena that's separate from the main part of the arena, but not really a separate arena.
- A place where you can always take off free of vulching
- A place where you are always only moments away from a fight
- A place where fighters won't always run to ack
- A place where alt monkeys won't ruin a good furball
That's all he's really asking for. I think HTC should get right on it.
Oh.. ya... and if you think this is impossible you are a strat potato.
AKDejaVu
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I'm going to bring up the question again :D
What is the MA for?
Please really think about this...don't give some backhand, smart-ass answer just to try and make me look stupid. I can make myself look far more stupid that you can even dream of :p
Unless the paramters of the MA are defined I really don't think that anyone can define, or find for that matter, a viable solution.
Drunky
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
And for those just joining the conversation:
Lazs wants this:
- A place in the arena that's separate from the main part of the arena, but not really a separate arena.
- A place where you can always take off free of vulching
- A place where you are always only moments away from a fight
- A place where fighters won't always run to ack
- A place where alt monkeys won't ruin a good furball
AKDejaVu
Don't know what thread your reading AKDejaVu but I"m not seeing that, was more like 3 fields close together outside the strat system not the arena, don't care about vulchers, the'll run outta ammo before anyone really cares, but absolutely number 3, thats the purpose, and who really cares about alt monkeys, when they swoop down to do their BnZ thing in a 3K furball they aren't alt monkeys
Troll
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Originally posted by lazs1:
"stsanta said it... strat potatos and the timid accountants of the sky are pissed when a furball is formed or when there is a chance for one because..... If people aren't forced to... they won't play with em. Mommy used to make people play with em why won't HTC?
lolol thats a classic in the making.
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Troll.. you need to read a few more of these threads.
Outside of the strat system... that is outside of the area. Or are you going to allow bombers to drop bombs on spawning aircraft?
Undestructable fields... outside of the strat system... or are you going to provide a means for a plane to just live in their undestructable ack unbrella?
furballs.... outside of the strat system... like there's one definition of what these should be.
How about this... chose what fun you want to have in the MA. The means are there to do it already. The perfect world you are looking for does not exist... but feel free to ask for it anyways. Even if what you are asking for is different than someone who thinks they are asking for the same thing.
I refer you to this thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=012781 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=012781)
Especially to the link posted by HiTech. You may not think it applies... but it surely does.
AKDejaVu
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: AKDejaVu ]
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Troll.. you need to read a few more of these threads.
AKDejaVu
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: AKDejaVu ]
Actually I've been reading these post for a couple of years now, don't post much cause this board is about the worst place to offer opinions, suggestions or comments.
But maybe as an small explaination, by outside the strat system I meant that these field existance would in no way affect the field count in a reset, and maybe make the hangars while not indestructable at least have a very fast regen. But yes there would be big problem with the shall we say "less than mature types" in the arena that instead of leaving these fields for what their intended purpose was would loiter at 30K in a buff to try and drop on spawing aircraft or get their jollies vulching till their arms got tired of turning their plane, and easily accept these as reasons to not institute a "fighter town". But I sure wouldn't waste my time on this board asking much less demanding changes in any existing system in place, writing up a proposal with pros/cons and what could be done to alleviate any problem incurred and sent directly to HT would be much more my speed (which with the current MA environment for this type of thing I would personally consider quite worthless to even try)
Troll
(now see what you created-- a wall of text (aka drivel) on what, my 5th post)
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Originally posted by Drunky:
What is the MA for?
To have fun.
SOB
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As it is, my personal opinion is that the need of the furballer is easily met by the current arena.
With the huge numbers and small maps, there are always several furballs goin on. A furball is usually ended when one side gets the numerical advantage, pushes the opponent back to his base and then, running out of fling targets, attack the field.
On rare occurences, big missions are made. More often, a flight of 6 or so planes attack a field (well, that's how my squad does it, and more often it is three or four planes).
Furballers only have to go to another field to get a new furball.
If, however, there is a great desire to just furball, and do nothing but furball, this would warrant a new arena.
If there aren't enough numbers to warrant a new arena, there isn't enough to warrant adjusting the MA: don't fix what is working.
As mentioned before, I could whine about there not being the good old fights - 2v2, 2v3, 2v4, 4v4's. Always interrupted by a huge number of planes. Those are the fights that are most challenging, and to me, most enjoyable.
I ain't a cherry picker, but if I quickly want to score a good number of kills, I take my FW to a furball. I keep the speed around 350 and egress when my altitude is around 100 feet. Climb to 3-5k, and turn back. Such sorties usually result in anywhere between three and six kills.
The great number of enemy planes gives me lots to shoot at. Them being occupied with fighting others give me easy shots. Other friendlies around ensures that the enemy won't dedicate itself to my obliteration - meaning my window of escape is quite large.
For me, furballs are fun, although not as fun as a good 2v2, or 2v3, or 2v4. They're easier to me.
And, they are great fun - there's no doubt about a hot furball is great fun, so I can see where Lazs is coming from.
But, what is serious fun is taking yer squad mates and going on to strike an enemy field. Coordination, teamplay is the key. Chatter on RW is great. There is an actual goal, other than just shooting enemy planes. I.e there's a failure/success thing going in a higher degree than in a furball.
The MA is more furball friendly than ever. it is however still very possible for a squad or person to organise a strike on a non furball field. Why fix that which works very well?
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[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: StSanta ]
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"Furballers only have to go to another field to get a new furball.
If, however, there is a great desire to just furball, and do nothing but furball, this would warrant a new arena"
Well... that should make it apparent just how far apart a lot of us are. Still... it proves my point. The sky accountants and strat potatos fear maps that allow furballs because they feel that no one will play with them if they are not forced.
I don't agree. I feel there is room for both schools and... that some like a little of both. I think that a less symetrical map... with more fields close together, harder to take and harder cv's will allow for both styles. I sometimes think that the strat potatos don't care if they have opportunity so much as they care that if people are having fun they will ignore em... "lookie lookie I just porked a field at ____ " "who cares. we are busy". Instead of "wow, what a stud!"
deja is simply dishonest and it is apparent. but I will let him prove that further.
lazs
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If so many wanted just that, they would all go to the Dueling arena wehre there IS A FURBALL ISLAND!!!!!!!!!
And don't spew all the crap about the if they are in the arena already then they could just go there, but be away from the "Strat potatos"
Lazs, just go to the furball island and tell all your furball freinds you are there. If furballing is a popular as you think, people will start going there.
Or are you too lazy to do anything to get something organized? How about using some of your efforts to have a weekly event of furballing? If it goes well, you might be able to make it nightly. Hell, if it goes real well, people will be furballing 24-7 in the DA where the furball island is...
Naw, you would rather just keep whining and try to get the MA to have it's own little corner just for you.
And BTW, before you start calling me a "strat potato" or whatever other childish name calling thing you come up with, take a look at my stats for the last few Tours. You will see that I spend 95%+ of my time in fighters shooting down other fighters.
Wing up, Get kills, Be happy!
Major Midnight - CO
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Laz is a one-dimensional pilot, he sucks at strat. Can you blame a man for trying to turn a public swimming pool into a basketball court when he doesn't know how to swim?
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You don't need to change a basketball court at all rip... there's already a place for people that don't want to take the time to pass, dribble or shoot: the bench.
AKDejaVu
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"Or are you too lazy to do anything to get something organized? How about using some of your efforts to have a weekly event of furballing? If it goes well, you might be able to make it nightly. Hell, if it goes real well, people will be furballing 24-7 in the DA where the furball island is..."
yes... I am too lazy to do those things. Noble, manly furballers would turn their nose up (and rightly so) at anything "organized" And rip.. I don't know if I suck at strat or not but how tough could it be? After all, you do it.
lazs
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"...I ain't a cherry picker, but if I quickly want to score a good number of kills, I take my FW to a furball. I keep the speed around 350 and egress when my altitude is around 100 feet. Climb to 3-5k, and turn back...The great number of enemy planes gives me lots to shoot at. Them being occupied with fighting others give me easy shots..."
Sounds like "cherry picking" to me. Real furballers will stick around and fight. :)
Oh yeah, keep those good valid reasons for no furball island coming boys. In between the insults of course....hehe.
bowser
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Originally posted by lazs1:
yes... I am too lazy to do those things. Noble, manly furballers would turn their nose up (and rightly so) at anything "organized" And rip.. I don't know if I suck at strat or not but how tough could it be? After all, you do it.
lazs
Well at least we know where you are coming from lazs.
I won't say anything about your work habits, as I don't know you. However, I will say that those that want things in life either work hard for them or live with what they have and cry that society is against them while casting insults at those that have more than they do.
"Profiling" can be a bad thing, because some people get classified wrong. Unfortunately, you insist on being seen as a stand-offish individual with no real desire to cooperate with anyone.
Apparently, you missed the day of school where they discussed diplomacy and debating. Too bad, as your constant slurry of insults and unbending opinions just fades further into the white snow of useless static that people learn filter out.
I would say my usual closing of, "Wing up, Get kills, Be happy," but I doubt you will ever be happy.
-Midnight
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actually... leaving out those on medication... I am one of the "happier" people around. Honest.. And yes... my report card came back with "____ does not work and play well with others" I believe this game is perfect for people of my ilk.
I believe that if most people wanted oranization and hard work they wolda stayed at work and made the overtime instesad of paying out good money.
lazs
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You can't furball in the DA because it's got KS enabled.
You can see the difference KS makes to the DA every wednesday night.
PLEASE disable KS in the DA; maybe we can get some use out of it.
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Yeah, just disable KS in the DA, rename it, "Furball Island / Dueling Arena", and we will HAVE a Furball Island. Presto.
[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: popeye ]
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No, that wouldn't work, in my opinion. What is part of the reason that nobody goes to the HA? Because nothing there matters. You can furball to your hearts content, but you don't get a "score" to see how well you are doing. I think wishing for a "furball island" in the Main is a very valid wish. I also don't think it would siphon off all that many people from the "main" MA. People would go there when it was IMPOSSIBLE to find a fight otherwise (i.e. bombers have porked all of your first and second line fields, your country is outnumbered 4 to 1 and both other countries are coming in huge waves). In either of those situations I may very well take off from "furball island" and go looking for some "fun fights". Lazs is very right about a few things. His delivery rather kills his reputation, but that doesn't diminish the validity of the points, in my opinion.
The MA gets downright BORING sometimes, but going to the DA to furball really isnt a valid alternative. A. There usually isn't anyone there, and B. I am some kind of "score potato" and I wouldn't want to "waste" the time I am already wasting playing this game to not even get a reward of perk points or score that is valid in the MA.
I also think that getting new maps would help out some, I do get sort of bored with the old ones. Anyways, thats my 2 cents.
EDIT: Actually, let me clear some of this up. I've got no desire to fly in a situation where my country is attacking another country in huge waves, and is also being attacked in huge waves. I've no desire to partake in a gangbang, either as the assraper or the assrapee. In situations like that I would probably head to the "furball" island until things calmed down or evened up.
[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Urchin ]
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Furballing for Perk points. Seems like a contradiction in terms....
Point is, we HAVE a furball island in the DA. All it takes is one click of a mouse to enable killshooter, and it's in business. No new terrains needed. It can open tonight. Not worth a try?
Come on...don't start splitting hairs like the Sky Accountants. :)
[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: popeye ]
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what is the DA?
lazs
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Dueling Arena.
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oh... ok. I'll give it a try. Being a furballer tho i gotta wait till there's a couple hundred guys in it and I'm too lazy to "organize" anything and... furballers wouldn't get the message anyway... I mean we don't really meet anywhere to discuss anything.
lazs
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And another individual is trying to tell HTC and us how the game should be played :rolleyes: I may be a complete idiot, but I'm pretty damn sure the MA offers everything everyone wants, maybe the damn problem is that some folks are trying to "turn off" other facets of the game because it gets in the way of their happiness. Puuuleeeeze, don't like it, go away, otherwise be happy with what you have and stop with the whaa whaa whaa *sniff*.
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I agree acid.. you can't force people to fly your way. I say give em the opportunities and let them decide. If the fields were closer together and dar distingueshed bettween GV and AC it would not force anyone to fly any certain way it would not take anyuones opportunities away. It would simply save a lot of wasted time for some while at the same time being less "gamey".
lazs
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The furballs are already occuring Lazs, there is no need to put the fields closer together.
AKDejaVu
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well deja yes they are but... let's assume that they could be better for those who like em if the fields were say 10% closer. How would that hurt anyone?
lazs
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deja.. my point is this.. You will admit that things have changed recently with the huge influx of newbies and the field capture/resupply thing? Ok, so.. what has also changed? Well...
The hand wringing "we have to do something about furballs" posts have gone up expotentially. Cries for bigger maps and more spread out fields and blinded radar and the ever boring allied vs axis etc.. I sorta feel like I'm fighting fire with fire here. I been having more fun lately not less. I think tougher cv's and 10% closer fields wouldn't hurt anyone and would help a lot of us.
remember.... The enemies of fun are sneaky and underhanded and ever vigilante and ruthless. We must be willing to swat them down before they get a handhold.
lazs
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If only we could all have our own arena the way we wanted it. :D :D (this is intended for lazs) Sorry if it does not sound like i know what i am talking about... just parts of post, but if your sick of getting ganged by some alt monkey. then why not fly with a wingman? Maybe i am wayyyy off, but thats the way it came off to me :D . Hope to see you all soon... waiting for my new pc.
Flame away
lazer
=357th=
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I think tougher cv's and 10% closer fields wouldn't hurt anyone and would help a lot of us.
And others think that fields could be 10% farther away and not hurt anyone, rather help a lot of them.
You think what you want.. they think what they want.
If this is simply some kind of "I must counter their post with my own foot stomping" then I truly feel sorry for you lazs. When stomping your foot... its best not to shoot it first.
AKDejaVu
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Actually I can make a case for fields being farther apart hurting getting to the fight and furballing but.... Having em 10% closer would not hurt any other style of flying.
lazs
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You can make a case for anything lazs, that's not the point. Your 'case' will be based on assumptions and completely irrelevant... just as this 'case' is.
AKDejaVu
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perhaps deja but.... you can't make a case for slightly closer fields hurting any other style. OTOH, my case for it helping furballers and casual players is solid.
lazs
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YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
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perhaps deja but.... you can't make a case for slightly closer fields hurting any other style.
Moving bases closer together can result in the likelyhood of one fight moving too close to another field resulting in ack diving or vultching. There needs to be seperation... too close can cause problems too.
See... anyone can make any claim as to how a change would affect the game. I don't need to back anything up just like you don't need to. They are called assumptions. They are worthless.
AKDejaVu
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deja.. how would "ack diving" affect anyones style? You could still take off from a farther field and get alt and fight any way you liked. Those that were prone to furballs and "ack diving" would be at low alts, you would never see em anyhow. closer fields would promote fights between fields. It does now at the closer fields. Farther fields promote gangbanging and ack hugging.
lazs
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Lazs, you still aren't getting it. You seem to only think one thing would be made better with zero risk to anyone else's preferences. That is simply short sighted and arrogant. If someone says something different, you counter with "no it wouldn't". Wow... great argument... but virtually everyone and their mother sees it as pointless.
End of story. Time to let this horse die in peace.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Time to let this horse die in peace.
AKDejaVu
No way, I am having fun reading the love affair.
Over at brandx we used to have "Fightertown Night". We met in brandx's version of the DA and went at it......no rules. I believe Krusher tried to get it started here, but.......well, I really dont know why it didnt work here.
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Can we disable KS in there?......
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Noooo deja... I am asking you to explain yourself. Your ongoing theme over the years has been "no changes" everything is fine the way it is.
Problem is... everytime something is changed you tout that change as the new omega of gameplay.
grow a pair and come up with a suggestion of your own. sheesh..pissy old woman.
lazs
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Noooo deja... I am asking you to explain yourself. Your ongoing theme over the years has been "no changes" everything is fine the way it is.
My ongoing theme has not been "no changes". My ongoing theme has been to be against "I don't like that people are doing something I don't like to do so lets change it so they can't". As a rule, that hits every post you make.
AKDejaVu
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I believe that my posts are about more choice not less. I do however, feel that gameplay is adversely affected when one or a couple of guys, using little or no skill, can affect dozens of players game. Improvements have been made IMO. I am glad that all your foot dragging was for naught.
lazs