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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Duedel on September 09, 2003, 03:36:15 AM
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Is this true?
Great Britain date time format is dd/mm/yyyy
USA date time format is mm/dd/yyyy
If so ... WTF why?
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Because.. :D
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yes its true.. to my knowledge all of the european countries uses dd/mm/yyyy format and US then uses mm/dd/yyyy
I don't know if theres other countries besides US which uses the month first format.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Because.. :D
:D
I ever thought GB and the USA have the same format but now ... :rolleyes: ... i mean ... arghhhhhhhhhhh
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Funny that you should bring this up on the one day of the month when it doesn't matter! Today is 9/9/2003, both in the UK and the US.
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The worst thing about Western standards is that they write adresses backwards, like "flat, house, street, city, country"...
I simply can't usnderstand why they do so... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Boroda
The worst thing about Western standards is that they write adresses backwards, like "flat, house, street, city, country"...
I simply can't usnderstand why they do so... :rolleyes:
WHAT?
Thats the worst thing about Western standards??
Thats not so bad, there must be hope for us yet.
I still get my mail
:D
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whats wrong with...
john doe
somestreet 21A 14
00290 Helsinki
Finland
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hey
we measure in inches and feet too :)
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Originally posted by Fishu
whats wrong with...
john doe
somestreet 21A 14
00290 Helsinki
Finland
So, this is a letter to mr. Doe! Ok, let's see, he lives at somestreet! It makes it musch easier to find him! Well, he lives in Helsinki. Maybe it's Helsinki AZ? Nope, it's Helsinki in Finland!
When it's
Russia
Muhosransk
123456
Lenin str.
1-2-33
it's seems to be easier:
Ok, it's Russia (puts a letter into a bag with other letters to Russia). Then in Russia it is put into a bag going to Muhosransk, and there it goes to post office 123456 and to a postman who services Lenin str. who brings it to house 1 building 2 flat 33.
;)
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Originally posted by Eagler
hey
we measure in inches and feet too :)
I meant "business" standards, the once that are supposed to be based on common sence ;)
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We have machines to put it in bags Boroda-it doesn't matter how you write it, and if you know the complete postal code, it can be delivered with nothing but 9 digit number.
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Boroda,
I find it much simplier in a more linear and compact form
At least I'm used to read addresses from letters name .. address... area...
Goes easily when can read it just like it's said
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Is this true?
Great Britain date time format is dd/mm/yyyy
USA date time format is mm/dd/yyyy
If today's September 9th, and yesterday was September 8th, why is it the 4th of July instead of July 4th?
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I leave my mail in a knothole and wait for the courier to retrieve it. Or sometimes we switch briefcases in a busy cafe on the street. Then there's the pigeons...
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Originally posted by Nashwan
If today's September 9th, and yesterday was September 8th, why is it the 4th of July instead of July 4th?
I believe they are one in the same
We can call them by both dates here in the States and not become confused :)
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Originally posted by Gadfly
We have machines to put it in bags Boroda-it doesn't matter how you write it, and if you know the complete postal code, it can be delivered with nothing but 9 digit number.
We have such machines for maybe 30-40 years by now. The letters are sorted by "postal index", a 6-digit number of the post office. They have some sort of OCR for index field on envelope. But it applies only to letters inside USSR (I don't know if post-Soviet countries use the same index numbers).
Russia adopted the same wierd way of writing adresses few years ago, so it makes me wonder how I should write my adress, house 98, building (korpus) 1, flat 70: in an old way (98-1-70) or in a new way: 70-1-98. There is a chance that someone from house 70, building 1, flat 98 will get my letters :eek:
I can't remember when I sent my last letter on paper.
BTW, do you still have telegraph? It was usefull when you needed to inform someone fast when you are in a place where phone is unsavailible or takes several hours to order a conversation with other city. I usually used telegrams informing my relatives that I am OK when hiking sonewhere really far away in the mountains or taiga, when we had a village on our way.
There was a joke about people who went rafting and drowned all their money, so they had only a few coins for a two-word telegram, so they sent a message saying "seventyfiverublegraph us". ;) (семидесятипятирублируйте) :D
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Originally posted by Eagler
hey
we measure in inches and feet too :)
So do we, it's just our government that doesn't.
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Originally posted by Duedel
Is this true?
Great Britain date time format is dd/mm/yyyy
USA date time format is mm/dd/yyyy
If so ... WTF why?
I think it reallly depends on what industry you're in. For USN, DDMMMYY (09SEP03) is quite common.
Take a look at date/time formats for Outlook and Palm. There are so many different variations that I doubt there is a standard at all.
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Originally posted by Boroda
We have such machines for maybe 30-40 years by now. The letters are sorted by "postal index", a 6-digit number of the post office. They have some sort of OCR for index field on envelope. But it applies only to letters inside USSR (I don't know if post-Soviet countries use the same index numbers).
Russia adopted the same wierd way of writing adresses few years ago, so it makes me wonder how I should write my adress, house 98, building (korpus) 1, flat 70: in an old way (98-1-70) or in a new way: 70-1-98. There is a chance that someone from house 70, building 1, flat 98 will get my letters :eek:
I can't remember when I sent my last letter on paper.
BTW, do you still have telegraph? It was usefull when you needed to inform someone fast when you are in a place where phone is unsavailible or takes several hours to order a conversation with other city. I usually used telegrams informing my relatives that I am OK when hiking sonewhere really far away in the mountains or taiga, when we had a village on our way.
There was a joke about people who went rafting and drowned all their money, so they had only a few coins for a two-word telegram, so they sent a message saying "seventyfiverublegraph us". ;) (семидесятипятирублируйте) :D
I'm always amazed at the lengths Baroda will go to, just to be able to say something negative about the US in a backhand way.
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Originally posted by Martlet
I'm always amazed at the lengths Baroda will go to, just to be able to say something negative about the US in a backhand way.
I'm always amazed how Mratlet sees "anti-americanism" in any post that I make.
What am I supposed to do? Finish every post with "God bless America!"?...
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Originally posted by Boroda
I'm always amazed how Mratlet sees "anti-americanism" in any post that I make.
What am I supposed to do? Finish every post with "God bless America!"?...
Hes just looking for attention and goes around stirring up foreigners, to get some attention from the fellow americans.
Everyone gets their kicks in a different way :D
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Originally posted by Fishu
Hes just looking for attention and goes around stirring up foreigners, to get some attention from the fellow americans.
Everyone gets their kicks in a different way :D
At least I can always find a good excuse for my BBS posts: I practice my English ;)
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Originally posted by Martlet
I'm always amazed at the lengths Baroda will go to, just to be able to say something negative about the US in a backhand way.
:rolleyes:
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In Sweden you can write :
Stockholm
Mr Sven Andersson
The tall buildings up to the right
:D
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Originally posted by Boroda
At least I can always find a good excuse for my BBS posts: I practice my English ;)
It works your English is quite good,
We, as a people are really quite nice, and as you, not as bad as others would have us believe.
I still think I would like to have a tall cold vodka with you and we could solve all the worlds problems, we need to take some time to understand each other and what is the cause of our differences. This could be applied to our leaders as well, don't you agree?
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Boroda: The worst thing about Western standards is that they write adresses backwards, like "flat, house, street, city, country"...
I simply can't usnderstand why they do so... :rolleyes:
Simple.
Western is the natural way of thinking. I communicate with a particular human and only then care about his geographical circumstances.
it's seems to be easier:
Ok, it's Russia (puts a letter into a bag with other letters to Russia).
Easier for the mailman, harder for me.
As for the mailman's convenience in reading the address, I could not care less about it. He works for me and is serving my needs for the fee I am paying him. He is subservent to me in this case (I may later be serving him dinner dessert-first and saying "yes, sir" if he so wishes for his money).
Unless a delivery company offeres me a significant discount for whiting an address backwards from what is natural to me, why would I bother accomodating it?
Of course it is/was different in Soviet Russia where the "customer" was subordinate to the service provider and had to jump through all kinds of hoops to accomodate it.
Read "Free to Choose" by Milton Friedman. That may help you break that collectivist mold on your mind.
miko
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Eagler: we measure in inches and feet too :)
That one I agree with - total lunacy. Screwing up one's life just to be different from the French is plain stupid.
95% of US high school graduates do not know how many feet are in a mile or how many ounces are in a gallon.
Would not help them if they knew, since they cannot do arithmetics anyway.
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
Eagler: we measure in inches and feet too :)
That one I agree with - total lunacy. Screwing up one's life just to be different from the French is plain stupid.
95% of US high school graduates do not know how many feet are in a mile or how many ounces are in a gallon.
Would not help them if they knew, since they cannot do arithmetics anyway.
miko
I'd love to see where you pulled those statistics from.
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Originally posted by miko2d
Of course it is/was different in Soviet Russia where the "customer" was subordinate to the service provider and had to jump through all kinds of hoops to accomodate it.
Read "Free to Choose" by Milton Friedman. That may help you break that collectivist mold on your mind.
Please, can you answer me, if I give someone my adress as "70-1-98 XXXXXXXXX highway, 123456, Moscow, Russian Federation" - who will recieve the letter, me or a guy from house 70, building 1, flat 98? :(
For me it's natural and easy to think where I send this letter. The adress must begin with the country, and the location/name must be at the end. This is the natural way to erite adress. When I want to write to my cousin - first thing that comes into my mind is that he lives in the Ukraine, then - in Chernovtsy, and then I remember street, house and flat. Exactly in this order.
When you ask for directions, what do you ask first? "I need a flat number 3" or "Please show me the way to Kiev"?
Calling me a "collectivist" is funny :)
Что-то у меня с чувством юмора. Пожалуйста, прости дурака, если шутишь - ставь смайлики. :( Если ты шутил - то получилась забавная пародия на чучело с Кустом на аватаре. Только поймут ли? ;)
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ISO 8601 defines yyyy-mm-dd. Forget everything else.
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Boroda: Please, can you answer me, if I give someone my adress as "70-1-98 XXXXXXXXX highway, 123456, Moscow, Russian Federation" - who will recieve the letter, me or a guy from house 70, building 1, flat 98? :(
I see. That does seem strange to me - a quite confusing convention.
I usially write: "XXXXXXXXX highway 98/1, Apt 70"
or just: "XXXXXXXXX highway 98/1, #70".
Actually, I always write Sept 9, 2003 rather than 9/9/03 on any documents where the exact format is not specified - like my checks. That's how humans think - in months, not digits - and I see no reason to accomodate anyone I do not have to.
For me it's natural and easy to think where I send this letter.
As it was for me when I lived in USSR and was conditioned to think like a (for a) mailman.
When I want to write to my cousin - first thing that comes into my mind is that he lives in the Ukraine,...
Nops. That's the second thing to come into your mind after you've thought about your cousin.
And I do not necessarily remember everyone's addresses - I keep them in my notebook or computer - sorted and organised ny name. So my address entry naturally starts with the name and a street/appartment (in case I visit them) and not a country, a city or a zip code. Often I do not even write those down.
When you ask for directions, what do you ask first? "I need a flat number 3" or "Please show me the way to Kiev"?
When you ask for a favor - yes, sure. You accomodate the person you are asking, who has different proprities than you do. When the person works for you, like a secretary or a mailnen, it's their job to accomodate you withing the arranged boundaries.
One may often give a direction to the first link of his mail deliery system - a subordinate/accountant/lawyer/contractor "send this letter to Joe Shmoe" without even caring to specify the address and relying on them to deal with it.
Calling me a "collectivist" is funny :)
You are right - I should have put a smiley into my post.
Nevertheless, there is a part of truth in my jokes. It was quite a noticeable and often concious process for me to rid my mind of the thought patterns/habits instilled in my youth - ceasing to think like a subservant individual and starting to think like a souvereign customer.
Those thoght patterns were rooted in our collectivist upbringing where any civil servant (and there were no others) was considered a superior and a customer just a supplicant and a possibly a nuisance.
We have such machines for maybe 30-40 years by now. The letters are sorted by "postal index", a 6-digit number of the post office. They have some sort of OCR for index field on envelope.
Yes. I remember. We only used standard preprinted envelopes on which we had to carefully fill all the fields, including the ones intended for OCR - where we had to accomodate not only the mailman but a piece of some machinery.
I was a bit surprised upon my arrival into US that I could buy or make envelope of pretty much any size or shape and write/print the address on it in any odd way and place I chose as long as it could be reasonably understood - including the "russian way" that starts with the country and ends with the name.
As long as the postage was correct, the mail people would have to try and deliver it correctly. I would not go out of my way to inconvenience them but neither would I switch to unnatural (for me) formats.
miko
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Originally posted by ccvi
ISO 8601 defines yyyy-mm-dd. Forget everything else.
... the only format that makes sense (think of sorting etc.)
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Miko, some questions ;)
I see. That does seem strange to me - a quite confusing convention.
I usially write: "XXXXXXXXX highway 98/1, Apt 70"
or just: "XXXXXXXXX highway 98/1, #70".
If you still remember, 98-1-70 is quite different from 98/1, apt. 70. "/" is used in a special conditions, like a house on the corner.
When you ask for a favor - yes, sure. You accomodate the person you are asking, who has different proprities than you do. When the person works for you, like a secretary or a mailnen, it's their job to accomodate you withing the arranged boundaries.
One may often give a direction to the first link of his mail deliery system - a subordinate/accountant/lawyer/contractor "send this letter to Joe Shmoe" without even caring to specify the address and relying on them to deal with it.
Again - we think in different conditions. When I say "ask for directions" I mean simply asking someone in the street how can I get somewhere. I am from Leningrad, so it's a usual thing for me to do, there you will always get detailed instructions. In Moscow you'll get no more then a hand waving or just "@#$% off". People here sometimes are afraid when I start explaining it in Leningrad way...
I didn't mean any kind of job relations.
You are right - I should have put a smiley into my post.
Nevertheless, there is a part of truth in my jokes. It was quite a noticeable and often concious process for me to rid my mind of the thought patterns/habits instilled in my youth - ceasing to think like a subservant individual and starting to think like a souvereign customer.
Those thoght patterns were rooted in our collectivist upbringing where any civil servant (and there were no others) was considered a superior and a customer just a supplicant and a possibly a nuisance.
The times when a customer was mostly a nuisance are long gone. When I recieve improper service - I usually make them regret this. Any improper service will result in a punishment for the servicing person, at least in commercial enterprises. Certainly, in old Sovok structures like mail or some communal offices it's not true, but even their I can (and will) spoil them lots of blood.
Yes. I remember. We only used standard preprinted envelopes on which we had to carefully fill all the fields, including the ones intended for OCR - where we had to accomodate not only the mailman but a piece of some machinery.
You were free to leave the index boxes empty, and make mailmen sort your letter manualy, but what for? Usually the letter without index arrived later then with index. Do you remember all that "Remember your postal index please!" and "Please fill in the postal index" signs?
Following your way of thinking: in USSR usage of machinery didn't make people loose their jobs, and didn't affect salaries. It was simply making life easier, just as it is usually supposed to do. ;)
I was a bit surprised upon my arrival into US that I could buy or make envelope of pretty much any size or shape and write/print the address on it in any odd way and place I chose as long as it could be reasonably understood - including the "russian way" that starts with the country and ends with the name.
As long as the postage was correct, the mail people would have to try and deliver it correctly. I would not go out of my way to inconvenience them but neither would I switch to unnatural (for me) formats.
Can you expect my letter to be delivered in the US (for example) if I write an adress in a Russian way? Nope. They will not. More to say: you have to be carefull and make special precautions, or they will confuse the reciever's adress to the sender's adress (if you position them in usual Russian way), and they will send the letter back to Russia (!!!). Isn't it natural to write the reciever's adress above the sender's adress?! We all write from left to right, from top to bottom, we are not Chinese or Arab!
So - all your rhethorics is useless. You write adress to help your mailman, while I write it to help mine. It's funny how you turn any difference between two cultures in a way like we are poor opressed Russians and everything is done in a special diabolic way to enslave our minds. Believe me, before 1917 adresses were written in the same Soviet way.
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Actually, Boroda, you write the address it goes to in big letters right in the center of the envelope, and the senders in the upper left corner, or on the back of the envelope. Regardless, if there is any kind of name or address at all, it will be delivered. I have done some pretty silly? weird? things on envelopes, and never had them lost.
Also, I searched for the history of Russian Postal service and couldn't find anything other than some excellent sites on stamps and postal covers. Do you have links?
In the US, mechanization began in the 1920s and was complete by 1960.
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Originally posted by Boroda
At least I can always find a good excuse for my BBS posts: I practice my English ;)
Some Americans need the same practice.
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Boroda: Again - we think in different conditions. When I say "ask for directions" I mean simply asking someone in the street how can I get somewhere.
Right. When asking directions, I am asking a stranger for a favor who is not obligated to help me. I am infringing on his time/concentration. So I am expected to extend him/her all the curtesy and consideration I am capable of. I am expected to smile and say "please", "sir" and "thank you".
The mail or delivery service is different. They work for me. That does not mean I can be offensive or obstructive - and I am not, usually - but there is much more leeway for me in my dealings with them.
For instance I do not have to tell them "please" or "thank you" or write the address in the most convenient form for them (as long as it is reasonably legible) and they are obligated to accomodate me. And they must smile and say "thank you" to me or I will have a legitimate complaint.
When I ask a gas station attendant for directions, I say "Excuse me sir, could you please tell me where XXX is." And he says "Sure buddy".
When I buy gas from the same guy, I could just say "Fill it up. Regular. Cash." and he must say with a smile "Yes, sir, Thank you, sir."
I am from Leningrad... In Moscow you'll get...
Even in New York one can occasionally tell Moscow manners from most other places... :)
The times when a customer was mostly a nuisance are long gone.
I sure hope so and glad to hear that. Contrary to what most people believe, civilisation starts not with the technological level or even the amount of capital/wealth, but with the adherence to contracts - fulfilling one's responcibilities completely. If that is present, the rest quickly follows.
Unfortunately the US of A seems to be developing the other way while the russians are re-discovering the benefits of civility.
Following your way of thinking: in USSR usage of machinery didn't make people loose their jobs, and didn't affect salaries. It was simply making life easier, just as it is usually supposed to do.
Sure, making life easier for some at the expence of the others.
Can you expect my letter to be delivered in the US (for example) if I write an adress in a Russian way? Nope. They will not.
I bet they would.
More to say: you have to be carefull and make special precautions, or they will confuse the reciever's adress to the sender's adress
I see no way around that other than following local conventions. Of course when sending international mail I always put "From:" and "To:" just to be sure. I expect them to accomodate me but I am not going overboard with that.
Isn't it natural to write the reciever's adress above the sender's adress?! We all write from left to right, from top to bottom, we are not Chinese or Arab!
I just stick a small pre-printed label in the top left corner. :)
So - all your rhethorics is useless. You write adress to help your mailman, while I write it to help mine.
Didn't you just claim that my mailman would have easier time reading the other way around?
It's funny how you turn any difference between two cultures in a way like we are poor opressed Russians and everything is done in a special diabolic way to enslave our minds.
Now you forgot the smiley. :)
I am not turning any difference into the culture war but I can often trace (correctly or not - that is another matter) a different ways the people think to the differences in cultures.
What's wrong with that? I criticise the "western" and american ways way more often than I criticise ex-soviet ways.
I am not saying that the strictly-mandated envelopes were the tool of the brain-washing by the oppressive regimes - communists or even Tsar's. But I do see some peoples' ready adherence to arbitrary rules as a result of conditioning.
Ex-soviets are very distinct in that respect - not just being conditioned to readily and unquestioningly abide by arbitrary rules but often demanding others to do so on their private initiative.
Only in a russian bus could I get a lecture from a complete stranger (usually an older person) on the proper ways to dress, cut hair, (not) hold hands, etc. - even when the behavior did not involve noise or other inconvenience to others.
My wife visited recently and this custom is still there.
We were expected to behave and watch for others to behave. And expected to enjoy that power to tell people what to do and to elieve we had right to interfere. Pure and simple.
I am sure that such behavior was not particular to only soviet society. Most other rigid/oppressive ones had similar ways, including in America. It even seems on the rise here - Political Correctness, etc.
miko
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Right. When asking directions, I am asking a stranger for a favor who is not obligated to help me. I am infringing on his time/concentration. So I am expected to extend him/her all the curtesy and consideration I am capable of. I am expected to smile and say "please", "sir" and "thank you".
I think that being polite is the easiest way to make life better. So, if someone kindly (as you described ;)) asks me for directions I try to be nice and polite too.
The mail or delivery service is different. They work for me. That does not mean I can be offensive or obstructive - and I am not, usually - but there is much more leeway for me in my dealings with them.
For instance I do not have to tell them "please" or "thank you" or write the address in the most convenient form for them (as long as it is reasonably legible) and they are obligated to accomodate me. And they must smile and say "thank you" to me or I will have a legitimate complaint.
When I ask a gas station attendant for directions, I say "Excuse me sir, could you please tell me where XXX is." And he says "Sure buddy".
When I buy gas from the same guy, I could just say "Fill it up. Regular. Cash." and he must say with a smile "Yes, sir, Thank you, sir."
I think that being polite with service personell is normal. I'd rather smile to the gas station attendant, taxi driver, waiter or a woman at the counter, and maybe even joke. I think that you understand that it's no true that Russians are the people who never smile.
Even in New York one can occasionally tell Moscow manners from most other places...
Thanks :) New York impressed me as a hostile city, where I felt very insecure after sunset. Even in worst proletarian districts like Tekstilschiki I don't feel like at Manhattan. :( But it's my city, and I know how to behave. At least here noone throws ice from a paper cup at you. Maybe it's OK at Manhattan, but such things make me uncomfortable.
I sure hope so and glad to hear that. Contrary to what most people believe, civilisation starts not with the technological level or even the amount of capital/wealth, but with the adherence to contracts - fulfilling one's responcibilities completely. If that is present, the rest quickly follows.
Unfortunately the US of A seems to be developing the other way while the russians are re-discovering the benefits of civility.
"fulfilling one's responcibilities completely" is the key phrase.
USSR felt apart because people lost motivation to do so. But it's another big question :)
Sure, making life easier for some at the expence of the others.
As for me - I'd better use pre-printed envelopes, because I awfully write by hand (отвратительный почерк, прости, лень лезть в словарь). Sometimes I can't understand what I wrote myself. :(
I bet they would.
After getting back some envelopes with adress in "Russian way" had to write it in 2 ways: Russian in Cyrillic and Western in Latin. It was in early-90s maybe, when we had non-preprinted envelopes already.
I see no way around that other than following local conventions. Of course when sending international mail I always put "From:" and "To:" just to be sure. I expect them to accomodate me but I am not going overboard with that.
Here we come to a problem with Soviet pre-printed envelopes... "From", "to" and other words there were printed in French, according to international standards, like "Par Avion" instead of "Air Mail"... :(
I just stick a small pre-printed label in the top left corner.
And again: as you remember we had senders adress at the left! No kidding. I got back several letters myself before someone explained me what was wrong.
What's wrong with that? I criticise the "western" and american ways way more often than I criticise ex-soviet ways.
I am not saying that the strictly-mandated envelopes were the tool of the brain-washing by the oppressive regimes - communists or even Tsar's. But I do see some peoples' ready adherence to arbitrary rules as a result of conditioning.
Ex-soviets are very distinct in that respect - not just being conditioned to readily and unquestioningly abide by arbitrary rules but often demanding others to do so on their private initiative.
Only in a russian bus could I get a lecture from a complete stranger (usually an older person) on the proper ways to dress, cut hair, (not) hold hands, etc. - even when the behavior did not involve noise or other inconvenience to others.
My wife visited recently and this custom is still there.
Hmm. Getting "advises" and being tought how to behave, how to dress etc. is annoying. I think that the cause is very simple: such people are mentaly sick. Or, maybe "mentaly unsatisfied" is a better phrase. 90% of the people making scandals in buses or subway are emotionally "hungry". They lack normal human communication, and this behaviour is their way of social self-satisfaction.
We were expected to behave and watch for others to behave. And expected to enjoy that power to tell people what to do and to elieve we had right to interfere. Pure and simple.
I am sure that such behavior was not particular to only soviet society. Most other rigid/oppressive ones had similar ways, including in America. It even seems on the rise here - Political Correctness, etc.
We were expected to behave and watch for others to behave. But "expected" doesn't mean that normal people did so, and in fact "enjoyed that power to tell people what to do and to elieve they had right to interfere". 90% of Soviet people didn't give a flying f@#k about what the were supposed to do, and wanted only to be left alone and live, as I think 90% of all the people in the world do... And being a "stukach" was always the worst thing that someone could be caught on. It could mean social isolation and disrespect from everyone.
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Originally posted by Nashwan
If today's September 9th, and yesterday was September 8th, why is it the 4th of July instead of July 4th?
Because it's a holiday. Actually both are right. One describes it as a holiday, the other describes the date.
The 4th of July (the holiday) is on July 4th.
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WE CAN NOT ALLOW.... A DATE TIME FORMAT GAP!
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Boroda,
You continue to amuse me each time you post. Please don't ever stop doing it. I would truly miss it, and I mean that in the most sincere of ways.
You've gone out of your way this time. The long dissertation showing the superiority of the Russian way of addressing envelopes had me engrossed. I give it not one, but TWO thumbs up for content, and the transitional smoothness with which it deviated from the original thread.
Do the Ruskies have a better way of peeling potatoes than we do here in the U.S.? That subject has the potential for a real cliff hanger!
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I've worked for the post office as a letter carrier.
Point the first, the western style of addressing poses no additional difficulty whatsoever. None.
Point the second, Russia has not had sorting machines like we have here for forty years. To make that claim is ludicrious.
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Originally posted by Boroda
BTW, do you still have telegraph? It was usefull when you needed to inform someone fast when you are in a place where phone is unsavailible or takes several hours to order a conversation with other city. I usually used telegrams informing my relatives that I am OK when hiking sonewhere really far away in the mountains or taiga, when we had a village on our way.
We must have VASTLY superior telephones than Russia. There is this new invention...The Cellular Phone...it works almost anywhere (and has no wires!:eek: )Telegrams disappeared for the most part in the 1960's. Western Union is now used to send money to the sattellite TV company to stop them from turning off your HBO if the payment is late.
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Originally posted by miko2d
Eagler: we measure in inches and feet too :)
That one I agree with - total lunacy. Screwing up one's life just to be different from the French is plain stupid.
95% of US high school graduates do not know how many feet are in a mile or how many ounces are in a gallon.
Would not help them if they knew, since they cannot do arithmetics anyway.
miko
Though I have felt this way for some time I have made it a point to keep it to myself. Well, I can't take it any longer! Miko, (I say this in the friendliest possible way) you are full of bullhokey :D
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Originally posted by miko2d
Eagler: we measure in inches and feet too :)
That one I agree with - total lunacy. Screwing up one's life just to be different from the French is plain stupid.
95% of US high school graduates do not know how many feet are in a mile or how many ounces are in a gallon.
Would not help them if they knew, since they cannot do arithmetics anyway.
miko
5280 feet in 1 mile
128 ounces in 1 US Gallon
1 + 1 = 2
Maybe Texas schools are just better.
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Originally posted by GrimCO
Boroda,
You continue to amuse me each time you post. Please don't ever stop doing it. I would truly miss it, and I mean that in the most sincere of ways.
You've gone out of your way this time. The long dissertation showing the superiority of the Russian way of addressing envelopes had me engrossed. I give it not one, but TWO thumbs up for content, and the transitional smoothness with which it deviated from the original thread.
Do the Ruskies have a better way of peeling potatoes than we do here in the U.S.? That subject has the potential for a real cliff hanger!
Thanks! I am glad I entertain you! ;)
I don't think our way of adressing letters is "superior", I just want to say that your way is annoying to me. Just as your date format. I don't have a nesessity to adopt to an alien society like Miko, so I don't want to change my natural habbits becase someone thinks my way is somehow connected to our "communist" and "totalitarian" past. Let me put it this way: I need freedom to write my letters in the way I want ;)
BTW, I discovered that most of the Americans don't know how to roast potatoes. I mean to make roasted potatoes, not "freedom ;) fries". Many Americans who come here try to understand the art of making good roasted potatoes. This clearly and obviously shows that we ARE superior to you, bloody imperialists ;)
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Originally posted by Karnak
I've worked for the post office as a letter carrier.
Point the first, the western style of addressing poses no additional difficulty whatsoever. None.
Point the second, Russia has not had sorting machines like we have here for forty years. To make that claim is ludicrious.
Russian way of adressing isn't difficult and is comfortable too.
You mean you worked in Russian post office?! If not - why do you think that we have or have not something that you didn't ever have a chance to see? Or do you mean that we simply can't be as food as the people from the "land of the free"?! If so - what about roasted potatoes, Ukrainian sausage and pepper vodka?
:D :D :D
This thread is here to entertain me
:D :D :D
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it is now 1063186526. I don't see what the problem is. :p
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Originally posted by rpm371
We must have VASTLY superior telephones than Russia. There is this new invention...The Cellular Phone...it works almost anywhere (and has no wires!:eek: )Telegrams disappeared for the most part in the 1960's. Western Union is now used to send money to the sattellite TV company to stop them from turning off your HBO if the payment is late.
Cellular phone? You mean "mobeela" or "sotovik"? This stupid invention that gets you out of your warm sleeping bag and makes you rush some 200km to your work place from the forest where you are camping? No please! I prefer to send a telegram once in a week ;)
Sometimes I feel like I want to go to a bridge and drop my cellular into the water, so I'll not get disturbing calls from stupid users who's printers don't print and mice don't mouse.
There are some other ways to use Western Union, like buying some useless things on Ebay :)
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Originally posted by Boroda
I meant "business" standards, the once that are supposed to be based on common sence ;)
That's rich... a former communist lecturing the US on how business should be run...
What a laugh...
Boroda, thanks for sending me off with a smile today. You will be the butt of jokes the rest of the day.
:D
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Originally posted by Boroda
...what about roasted potatoes, Ukrainian sausage and pepper vodka?
Baked potatoes? Idaho makes the best spuds.
Sausage? Johnsonville Brats.
As for Vodka...The best comes from, hold on to your sable hat... Tito's TEXAS Handmade Vodka (http://www.titos-vodka.com/) (http://www.titos-vodka.com/bottles.jpg)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Thanks! I am glad I entertain you! ;)
I don't think our way of adressing letters is "superior", I just want to say that your way is annoying to me. Just as your date format. I don't have a nesessity to adopt to an alien society like Miko, so I don't want to change my natural habbits becase someone thinks my way is somehow connected to our "communist" and "totalitarian" past. Let me put it this way: I need freedom to write my letters in the way I want ;)
BTW, I discovered that most of the Americans don't know how to roast potatoes. I mean to make roasted potatoes, not "freedom ;) fries". Many Americans who come here try to understand the art of making good roasted potatoes. This clearly and obviously shows that we ARE superior to you, bloody imperialists ;)
Hey there Pavel,
My favorite way of roasting potatoes is to wrap them in foil and throw them next to the coals in a campfire. Corn is also excellent cooked this way.
That's probably how the Russians did it before they got electric stoves five years ago? ;)
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WE CAN NOT ALLOW.... A DATE TIME FORMAT GAP!
Gal Darnit... You come up with the perfect witty retort, scroll down the screen and see funked already beat you to it!
Arrgh!
Charon
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Hehe, I surrender, Americans are always superior :D
By saying "roasted potatoes" I mean not baked. I mean just roasting them on the frying pan, but not like french fries.
Ukrainian home-made sausage can't be compared to anything else. As for pepper vodka - you can try to look for Nemiroff "Pepper and honey", it's from Ukraine too and AFAIK they export it. It's not the best, but nice. A small 100g glass will make you fly ;)
http://www.nemiroff.ua
Hand made vodka!? My imagination fails when I try to think of the way they use their hands making it ;)
I am expecting a guest from Lipetsk now, he promised to bring some "Soblazn" vodka from Yelets, that one is really smooth, one of the best I have ever drank.:p
BTW, do you know how to drink vodka? ;)