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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chaos68 on September 09, 2003, 02:35:41 PM
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Do you guys think that Napster and Kazza is wrong? or the people who Download them is breaking the law?
I heard a 12 year old girl was busted by RIAA for downloading songs off kazza.
I dont think its wrong, the record company busts our balls already with the amout of money we pay for a CD.
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Well when you install Kazza, Winmx, napster ect. you are just inviting the world onto your pc. You decide.
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Stealing is stealing. Those songs are intellectual property, protected by copy right laws. Are music CD's too expensive? Yep. Don't like it? Don't buy them. If enough people stop buying them, the price will drop. One company has already lowered prices, down to $10/CD. Still too expensive, but a step in the right direction. I'm a published author, and you can bet I'd go after someone reproducing my book and either giving it away, selling it, or simply digitizing it and offering it for download. We're a nation of laws, and the law says what the 12 year old did was a crime. All other arguments to the contrary are simply ways to justify criminal behavoir.
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I agree that it is wrong, I even agree that there should be a penlty for it.
but i dont agree with the fines or the felany charge.
i think it should be a misdomeaner.
and the fine small . and of course no jail time
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Sabre hit the nail on the head. Your nor my opinion is relevant. Currently, it is illegal. Don't like the laws, then change them. But if you are for throwing all copyrights out the window, then I am against it.
Now,..from my personal perspective, I hate any programs like these, as they create numerous problems with players connections and we take the heat for it. So, I wish they would arrest the lot of the users and toss the computers into a bay.
At least we might have a chance to get the Internet back to some level of consistency.
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Same old drivel .......nothing new to see here, move along. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Your nor my opinion is relevant.
:D
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Originally posted by AWMac
Same old drivel .......nothing new to see here, move along. :rolleyes:
aint that the truth.
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What are you smiling about MT? :)
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bastage!
er I mean...
Oh never mind.
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There's an Amnesty program, MT.
Its still not to late to give yourself up :D
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Not to step up to the plate and take a swing ... but ....... who says its illegal? Whether or not it is illegal depends on what judge you happen to be standing in front of. There is no where near a consensus in this country as to how it is going to be treated.
Plain and simple copyright infringmenet? Seems reasonable and logical. However, and I know this isnt a novel argument, but some of you may be old enough to remember the hoopla surrounding the introduction of the VCR (not me, I just learned about it after the fact). No one wanted the evil VCRs to be sold or marketed because of the evil things they could do like record TV shows. Why would people want to record TV shows or movies? Well surely to give to their friends so their friends dont have to rent them!
Although technology has changed, the analysis is quite similar. I dont really know where I stand on this. I would gladly pay a reasonable monthly fee to join music company with downloads from any and all artists ... not just a few decent to lure you in filled with a bunch of crap.
Incidentally, do you all have a problem with people posting SNL clips on kazaa and sharing those?
Dunno what the answer is ... all I know is that it is not decidedly illegal.
Nim
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Originally posted by Sabre
Stealing is stealing. Those songs are intellectual property, protected by copy right laws. Are music CD's too expensive? Yep. Don't like it? Don't buy them. If enough people stop buying them, the price will drop. One company has already lowered prices, down to $10/CD. Still too expensive, but a step in the right direction. I'm a published author, and you can bet I'd go after someone reproducing my book and either giving it away, selling it, or simply digitizing it and offering it for download. We're a nation of laws, and the law says what the 12 year old did was a crime. All other arguments to the contrary are simply ways to justify criminal behavoir.
Agree..100%. Well put too.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sabre hit the nail on the head. Your nor my opinion is relevant. Currently, it is illegal. Don't like the laws, then change them. But if you are for throwing all copyrights out the window, then I am against it.
Now,..from my personal perspective, I hate any programs like these, as they create numerous problems with players connections and we take the heat for it. So, I wish they would arrest the lot of the users and toss the computers into a bay.
At least we might have a chance to get the Internet back to some level of consistency.
If we got arrested, you realize how many customers ya'd have? 2.
;)
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Originally posted by Rutilant
If we got arrested, you realize how many customers ya'd have? 2.
;)
Even worse... 1 would be Rip.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Even worse... 1 would be Rip.
LOL
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_30_1063148627.jpg)
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Originally posted by Sabre
We're a nation of laws, and the law says what the 12 year old did was a crime.
Then just start young?
She was a minor she can't get charged for a felony.
I got 1 more year b4 I can get charged as an adult..depending on what I did..:rolleyes:
-edit- I swear I don't download music- -/edit-
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I think its all BS, theres nothing when you download kazaa that says downloading music is illeagal or anything else. How is a 12 yr old who probably doesnt pay attention to the news or anything else in the world suppose to know what she did was illeagal? There needs to be something on those programs which informs you, if you download songs your at risk of being arrested blah blah, something should be done.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Then just start young?
She was a minor she can't get charged for a felony.
I got 1 more year b4 I can get charged as an adult..depending on what I did..:rolleyes:
-edit- I swear I don't download music- -/edit-
True, which is a good thing. No-one wants to lock up kids. Keep doing it as an adult..you are in jail.
Sounds fair to me.
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So in the eyes of the law file swappers fall into the same line as Smack dealers?
That is truly retarded, I think the RIAA goons are actually loosing more people,acting like a Secret Police type of organization. They could adapt and sell the music using their websites and or a sort of CD Burning at stores where you could compile your own track for a reasonable price. This should turn potential music downloaders away from downloading music"illegally".
The penalty is also way extreme, history has shown the more you penalize a human being the more this human being will do it again and again just to piss people off,negative reinforcement leads to negative result. Downloads might have gone down 20% but I bet the rest of em are downloading just like before the RIAA anouncement. I agree though if you're a person who downloads in excess of 1k songs per week and put them up for everyone to see, you're inviting yourself for a legal smack down, simple as that.
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As long as the porn industry doesn't follow the example it's cool with me.
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Originally posted by Fatty
As long as the porn industry doesn't follow the example it's cool with me.
HAHA
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Originally posted by MaddDog
I think its all BS, theres nothing when you download kazaa that says downloading music is illeagal or anything else. How is a 12 yr old who probably doesnt pay attention to the news or anything else in the world suppose to know what she did was illeagal? There needs to be something on those programs which informs you, if you download songs your at risk of being arrested blah blah, something should be done.:rolleyes:
when i was 12 i payed attention to the news...yes it is a crime and a slap on the wrist (10 dollar fine per song...not 100 000 dollars) is in order...but the way that there doing it (simply coming up with a "potential" list and DEMANDING the information without a warrent etc) I am against...and the option to download music at a decent price (1 dollar a song) is already available to mac users...they shouldent go after little kids or small time users...only the people downloading more than 50 songs a day (hell my ISP gave them all the royal boot...)
anyway...once the RIAA manages to sue someone who DIDNT fileshare (or didnt leave any evidence) there insane money grubbing scheme will burst (how much money do you REALLY think there going to give back to the artists...)
luckily im in canada so im safe for a while...
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Even worse... 1 would be Rip.
I guess the other would be me ;)
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Then just start young?
She was a minor she can't get charged for a felony.
I got 1 more year b4 I can get charged as an adult..depending on what I did..:rolleyes:
-edit- I swear I don't download music- -/edit-
The parent's or legal guardian can be held legally liable for what their minor's do.
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Originally posted by Fatty
As long as the porn industry doesn't follow the example it's cool with me.
Amen, if that happens EL Glassoid might go a bit more loony.
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Good thing I've never been much into the music...
However I'd say MP3 downloading is way too exagerated.
For example you simply cannot compare it to shoplifting, since you can just as well in the case compare it to stealing of a CD from the store and thats one CD less to sell for the store and the publisher... but downloading MP3 , it's cloning.. think of the CD's cloning in the store if someone steals one. (oh.. not gonna happen any time soon! ...just wait for the time we can grab a blank disc from a desk, insert it into a machine at the store and the machine writes the chosen music into it in less than 5 minutes)
Sabre,
In any case, the price of music hasn't gone down even when there was hardly option to download music over the net, so how could we expect it to go down if people won't buy it?
With the inflation, it's only been going up from what I've seen, with the exception of a couple publishers or so.
I remember the CD hype from several years back.. it was supposed to make music cheaper as opposed to casettes or LP's, however I'm yet to see it come true.. I've only seen the dissapearance of casettes and LP's. (and by now making music on casettes and LP's would be more expensive, just because the manufacturing price has gone up for the two! )
I suppose the people sharing music on casettes was too big burden on the music industry and they kept the prices high :rolleyes: