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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: davidpt40 on September 09, 2003, 03:37:58 PM
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Ok, to get an objective opinion I will write this from a 3rd person perspective-
Your sitting above a Rook base in your hot air balloon. Below are about 10 Rook planes: La7s, typhoons, spits, and hurricanes. Theres also about 4 valiant Knight attackers. The Knights dive down from about 8k and start attacking the airbase along with the Rooks.
All of a sudden you see a Knight P-51, piloted by an extremely skilled aviator, zoom down on the base. He opens fire on a Rook aircraft and it disentegrates. He then proceeds to strafe not one, but TWO 20mm anti-aircraft guns.
Hes now mixed up in a tight furball with a La7, a spit, and a hurricane. The mustang pilot kills the La7 with whom hes scissoring very tightly. But as soon as he does, a Rook Hurricane2c comes along and HOs him. The mustang pilot tries to evade but takes several 20mm shells in the engine. To his horror, he watches as his prop slows to a complete stop. Yet hes not finished yet! A spitfire comes at him from 10:00 high, firing 20mm and 50 cals. The spit misses, and our 51 pilot fires a snapshot, sending the filthy rook to his death.
So now our hero is in a predicament. Altitude is 200ft AGL, airpseed is 120 and dropping fast. So he drops full flaps and gear, and decides to set it down. Just when he thinks hes out of danger, a Focke-Wulf 190D (rarest of the rare planes), being piloted by Adolph Hitler himself, comes along and saddles up on the P-51s six. The FW pilot can clearly see that the P51 has lowered his flaps, extended his gear, and is dead-stick. Yet he fires hundreds of 20mm high explosive shells into the P51, blowing off the wings of the mustang and sending its heroic pilot to his death.
So which is it worse to be, a vulcher, or someone who kills heros while they are trying to crash land?
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If its a plane its fair game.
You will never find any honor in a online game so quit trying.
Better to just grab a new plane forget what just happened and go be a hero again. You will live longer and have more fun playing if you do that.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Just when he thinks hes out of danger, a Focke-Wulf 190D (rarest of the rare planes), being piloted by Adolph Hitler himself, comes along and saddles up on the P-51s six. The FW pilot can clearly see that the P51 has lowered his flaps, extended his gear, and is dead-stick. Yet he fires hundreds of 20mm high explosive shells into the P51, blowing off the wings of the mustang and sending its heroic pilot to his death.
So which is it worse to be, a vulcher, or someone who kills heros while they are trying to crash land?
A target is a target regardless if it's in the air or on the ground.
I did something similiar to JB42. He was in a bf109 and I scored a direct hit on his engine with a burst of from my .50 cals, which took out his engine. I saw his engine sputter and finally seize so I broke off his six and pulled up into a spiral climb and watched him try and glide to a deadstick landing. As he touched down and was rolling to a stop, I came diving in and blew him away with a nice solid burst from my 20mm cannon. I could have finished him off in the air instead of waiting until he ditched but then it wouldn't have been as much fun.
ack-ack
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And just how many vulch kills do you have Dave? Or wait, you let them climb to 10k just to be fair.
You've proved in your post a smokin plane with no engine is still dangerous. Besides, that smokin 51 was headed straight for my kid!:D
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I came diving in and blew him away with a nice solid burst from my 20mm cannon. I could have finished him off in the air instead of waiting until he ditched but then it wouldn't have been as much fun.
ack-ack
Not only that, but why waste ammo, till you wait to see if he crashes ;)
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that hero used an unfair alt advantage to kill innocent rooks. now when the 51 is lower/slower the shoe is on the other foot. As my uncle used to say, "the worm has turned". When someone tries to land and ditch a damaged ride you must be quick to shoot him up lest he get away with only a ditch.
to answer the question, neither is worse. knit attacked fair and square; knit received a justly deserved counterattack. Plus no mention of the 3 other knits. The rooks defended as anyone else would have.
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So what yer saying is......come in shooting to kill everything in sight. When ya run outa ammo and are about to be gang banged...yell "I surrender!" and expect to live?
Good Chuck Yeager once said, "I never saw a chute, I didn't shoot" cause I don't wanna have to face that bastage again.
Ask no quarter. Give no quarter. Expect no quarter. Take it like a man, unless yer a woman :)
Ren
Damned if we do. No fun if we don't.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
All of a sudden you see a Knight P-51, piloted by an extremely skilled aviator, zoom
Who is it?
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This post was partially in jest. I just wanted to show how good of a pilot I was (getting kills with no engine and all). But Rooks are gang-bangers and when my aircraft is functioning correctly I usually send them spiraling to their deaths.
Another Rook story- I was in a P47D-30 sunday returning to my base with 5 kills. A rook P51 and P47 jump me. I dive to the deck to try to escape them. Motha-suckas start firing at D1000 and pinging me. I turn into them, shoot down the P47 and type "stupid idiot rook" on channel 1. Meanwhile, the rook P51 HOs me and shoots off my aileron. But he disengages (from pure fear I imagine) and I make a safe trip home.
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was one of the JB's the 190? :D hope so :)
:p
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Damn, David, you sure are a special one! If only more could be like you. uper Duper to you!
SOB
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your not a hero if you survive...if you survive a valient last stand some idiot who calls himself a historian will warp history and call you a coward because you landed when you still had a slight chance of fighting back...oh and if you had ditched he'll come up with some **** about the guy who woulda killed you not getting the kill because you finished yourself off...
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one time, at band camp.......
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We've already learned.
1. No time outs in War
2. You want Chivalry, Find a WW-I SIMM
3. You should not have attacked Rooks. Attack Bish's
4. You're so worried, You should have evaded the Spit and landed quickly not taken a snap shot!
I will shoot till you're "Goo on the WindScreen".
However, excellent choice of rides lad :D
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Good Chuck Yeager once said, "I never saw a chute, I didn't shoot" cause I don't wanna have to face that bastage again.
Did Yeager really do that? If so he's an honorless bastidge and a war criminal.
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Damn, we still playing with these little horses? Much more fun killing lemming hordes.
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where are these 20mm anti-aircraft guns at.I cant seem to find
them in the hanger.:p
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Dive on a base, shoot down people, then through out the white flag... not near me you wont. Dont want to get shot down near a rook base, stay away from them. I never saw anything in the book about not shooting down planes with gear down injured or not..:) All kidding aside, toejam happens. Reup another plane and go kill them. I hate to admit but it happens to me all the time.... I will kill a hanger them bam, I get gang banged... Wish I could say I was a great pilot, but being humble is also a good trait...
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That scrote runstang got what he deserved.Straffing poor aboriginal Rooks in there slarface.Shamefull.Just shamefull.Thank god for Hitler in this case.
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THe 51 pilot made mistakes and paid for it
Why did the 51 blow all his E scissoring with an LA7 when ther were more defenders than attackers? That was a mistake and the 51 deserved to be shot down for it.
A 51 is not going to win a sustained turn fight near an enemy field as long as the enemy has more fighters in the area. The top speed advantage of the 51 is useless if the fight is on the deck and 300 MPH.
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I, the P-51 pilot, blew all my energy strafing the gun positions. Then I mixed it up with the bandits to help out my fellow knights.
Lowered landing gear is the international sign of surrender (in the air).
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In the air outside your internet connection it just might be, but it doesn't apply here. Dropping your gear near an enemy field here is akin to telling everyone to "drop that sheep and come get some of this!"
This feeding frenzy you described happens all the time in all 3 countries. Nothing new.
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Never thought Knits would need to recruit Bishop lemmings to pump-up numbers.
I tell you, don't do it. It will handicap your gene pool permanently :D
David, go back where you belong.... :D
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same happened to me last night, i just finished de-acking a63 and got an oil hit, so i tell rest of squad that it should be easy capture and rtb, leaking oil.
an la-7 chases me for 5 miles and i only have a small squirt of oil left so I reverse and engage, he then extends out to 3 k so i go to ditch and he returns, so as I'm now low and slow (150mph at 3ft agl and engine is on last legs i HO him , and he holds the ho from d1000, ended in mutual destruction.
now i expected to get killed, didn't think for a sec that he would let me ditch in piece, but i was surprised that he went for the ho, when all he had to do was break off and attack from the rear.
made me laugh :D
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Originally posted by davidpt40
So which is it worse to be, a vulcher, or someone who kills heros while they are trying to crash land?
It would depend on the situation, and which of the two were more likely to give some nice wine. In this case I'd have to say it's much better to kill the sissy trying to run away.
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Lowered landing gear is the international sign of surrender (in the air).
Tell that to the F4-U pilots whose dive flaps are the landing gear.
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for a dee nine wussy that is considered a very difficult and highly skilled kill taking great plannning and patience and e management.. He is probly still talking about it with fellow LWussies at the leather bar.
lazs
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Sounds like the "Hero" was trying to set up a vulch, blowing all his E and all going for the ack...
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Theres no Bias in this post....
:p
DoctorYo
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Did Yeager really do that? If so he's an honorless bastidge and a war criminal.
You mean the German pilot parachuting over Germany who would then walk through Germany, France -- swim the English Channel -- and then surrender to allied authorities?
Distasteful or not, there's a big difference between surrender (shot down over enemy territority) and evading death and capture to fight again another day (bailing out over friendly territority). On the battlefield it was bad form to shoot prisoners surrendering with their hands up, but I don't think anybody gave much though to shooting the soldier trying to rush back to a secondary defensive position.
And as far as honor is concerned, well, that would just be another big discussion over Nazis vs. "good germans defending the homeland," wars of agression, agressors vs defenders vs civilians, shortening the war vs not shortning the war, stopping the senseless slaughter at any cost so that freedom can return to occupied and oppressed people, fewer through the gates of Auschwitz vs. more... Kinda relative.
Charon
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Lowered landing gear is the international sign of surrender (in the air).
Thanks for cluing me in! All this time and I thought it was an invitation to turn some poor moronic sap into confetti.
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Dave Dave Dave, you're all talk about how good you are and how many Rook slimes you've sent to their deaths. Time to put your AH handle where your mouth is and let some stats tell a story. I'm betting you don't even know what a Rook looks like let alone ever shot one down! :D
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If the P51 "Hero" lets himself get lo and slo and mixed up with lalas then vulching his dedstick butt is too good for him. Always funny when someguy whines because he got killed while ded stick yet if the roles were reversed he would do exactly the same. Same with HO whiners. They only whine when they lose the HO not a peep outta them if they manage to win it.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Ok, to get an objective opinion I will write this from a 3rd person perspective-
Your sitting above a Rook base in your hot air balloon. Below are about 10 Rook planes: La7s, typhoons, spits, and hurricanes. Theres also about 4 valiant Knight attackers. The Knights dive down from about 8k and start attacking the airbase along with the Rooks.
All of a sudden you see a Knight P-51, piloted by an extremely skilled aviator, zoom down on the base. He opens fire on a Rook aircraft and it disentegrates. He then proceeds to strafe not one, but TWO 20mm anti-aircraft guns.
Hes now mixed up in a tight furball with a La7, a spit, and a hurricane. The mustang pilot kills the La7 with whom hes scissoring very tightly. But as soon as he does, a Rook Hurricane2c comes along and HOs him. The mustang pilot tries to evade but takes several 20mm shells in the engine. To his horror, he watches as his prop slows to a complete stop. Yet hes not finished yet! A spitfire comes at him from 10:00 high, firing 20mm and 50 cals. The spit misses, and our 51 pilot fires a snapshot, sending the filthy rook to his death.
So now our hero is in a predicament. Altitude is 200ft AGL, airpseed is 120 and dropping fast. So he drops full flaps and gear, and decides to set it down. Just when he thinks hes out of danger, a Focke-Wulf 190D (rarest of the rare planes), being piloted by Adolph Hitler himself, comes along and saddles up on the P-51s six. The FW pilot can clearly see that the P51 has lowered his flaps, extended his gear, and is dead-stick. Yet he fires hundreds of 20mm high explosive shells into the P51, blowing off the wings of the mustang and sending its heroic pilot to his death.
So which is it worse to be, a vulcher, or someone who kills heros while they are trying to crash land?
The whole story seem quite contrived ...
I can go for the scissors death on the La-7, but when a C-Hurri sends several (cannon) shells into your engine area, there is usually a large explosion that follows.
The HO was probably a high deflection shot too, otherwise this incredible hero should/would have send a stream of .50 cals into him ... no mention of that.
BUT ... I would imagine at this point the P51 is REAL slow and the C-Hurri turns like a Spit, so why was there enough time for a Spit to take a shot at the hero, miss, and the P51 get a brilliant snapshot on the Spit all before the C-Hurri turns and lights his bellybutton up ?
AND ... still, amongst all that has transpired, the P51 has the speed to stay aloft long enough for a 190D to saddle up on his six and fire HUNDREDS of cannon rounds into the P51 before sending the hero to his death ... and the C-Hurri is still not in the fight picture.
Bottom line ... If its red ... its dead.
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If it doesnt fit...It must be sh**
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Originally posted by Charon
You mean the German pilot parachuting over Germany who would then walk through Germany, France -- swim the English Channel -- and then surrender to allied authorities?
Distasteful or not, there's a big difference between surrender (shot down over enemy territority) and evading death and capture to fight again another day (bailing out over friendly territority). On the battlefield it was bad form to shoot prisoners surrendering with their hands up, but I don't think anybody gave much though to shooting the soldier trying to rush back to a secondary defensive position.
And as far as honor is concerned, well, that would just be another big discussion over Nazis vs. "good germans defending the homeland," wars of agression, agressors vs defenders vs civilians, shortening the war vs not shortning the war, stopping the senseless slaughter at any cost so that freedom can return to occupied and oppressed people, fewer through the gates of Auschwitz vs. more... Kinda relative.
Charon
True, many rules were broken during WWII, especially by the Germans and Japanese. Not accepting surrender is not just considered "bad form", but actually illegal in war. Killing pilots while they're hanging under a chute is also illegal, only paratroopers may be attacked while still "in their chutes". I ones saw an interview with a US 51 driver where he described how he was horrified when he saw a 109 shooting up bailed B17 crewmen. He attacked the 109 and killed the pilot in his own chute. Poetic justice if you ask me.
The 51 pilot said he could not believe how the German could do something like that, I wonder what he would have thought about Yeager doing it too. Seems like the Germans and British were more "cordial" in their A2A battles than your battles. I don't remember hearing about the LW shooting British pilots during BoB, even if they might have won that battle if they did.
The "Bloody 100th" is another example how the LW vs. USAAF air war turned worse and rules were overlooked.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I don't remember hearing about the LW shooting British pilots during BoB, even if they might have won that battle if they did.
The Germans used to strafe the life boats the British had set up in the Channel and in response the British used to shoot down the SAR planes the Germans used to use to recover downed pilots in the Channel. Not that is was standard operating procedure for either side but it was done by all sides by individual pilots.
ack-ack
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That would actually be legal. Shooting the pilots on the ground or in the sea is not banned, neither is shooting SAR panes unless they have red crosses on them. Shooting pilots still in the chute however is.
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Hero? In a virtual flight sim? No such thing!
Lets leave that term for those who truely deserved it, shall we?
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Originally posted by davidpt40
So which is it worse to be, a vulcher, or someone who kills heros while they are trying to crash land?
Heroes? In an online flight sim? Seems one is taking this a wee bit too serious.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
A target is a target regardless if it's in the air or on the ground.
I did something similiar to JB42. He was in a bf109 and I scored a direct hit on his engine with a burst of from my .50 cals, which took out his engine. I saw his engine sputter and finally seize so I broke off his six and pulled up into a spiral climb and watched him try and glide to a deadstick landing. As he touched down and was rolling to a stop, I came diving in and blew him away with a nice solid burst from my 20mm cannon. I could have finished him off in the air instead of waiting until he ditched but then it wouldn't have been as much fun.
ack-ack
LOL, not to mention "wasting of ammo" on a moving target.
I prefer mine stationary, less chance of my getting shot down that way :D
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Originally posted by davidpt40
I, the P-51 pilot, blew all my energy strafing the gun positions. Then I mixed it up with the bandits to help out my fellow knights.
Lowered landing gear is the international sign of surrender (in the air).
Good thing we don't have to pay attn to your international signs when playing this sim. ;)
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Did you only get 2 acks?..
Practise your aiming kid :cool:
ohh..btw, what kind of post it this?
a) Im such a good pee51 jock
or..
b) I got killed..WHINE..WHIIIIIIINE... ..
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I think its a "Im such a good Peee 51 pilot and a hero to boot."
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would be my bet to DrDea... good point abut the hero thing :D
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Being in a landing configuration has has NEVER slowed a Knit down when when it came to making a meal out of me! I find it laughable that you would somehow use this issues as a way to bad mouth Rooks.
Hwkeye
The Flying Zoo
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I shall have to assume a few things here.
1. you came in with at least SOME alt.
2.you wasted that alt shooting ack? ignoring higher con's. (always start at top and work your way down)
3. you picked an nme, and got tunnel vision.
4.you blew all of your alt/e advantage fast.
5.you lacked the SA to see nme forces heading to you (or la dragged you towards using GOOD SA)
6.will prob. fly this way over and over.
WTG!!!
I encourage pilots to fly like you. (not friends or squad mates of course)
keep up the good work and don't change a thing!
-Lute
III/JG26th 9ST Widow Makers
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Oh.. that was a 'sign of surrender'?
I thought the hydraulics were porked ;)
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Only good extremely skilled P51 hero is one filled with hundreds of cannon shells.
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LOL, if you are that pilot and you are a hero, why the hell are you trying to land when you got a con near you? And it doesn't hurt to ask others for cover while landing. And yes the best 51 is full of cannon, they seem to be the best stick stirrers on the makret these days.
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Originally posted by AHGOD
LOL, if you are that pilot and you are a hero, why the hell are you trying to land when you got a con near you? And it doesn't hurt to ask others for cover while landing. And yes the best 51 is full of cannon, they seem to be the best stick stirrers on the makret these days.
Baaah ... nothing ... I repeat nothing ... beats the stick stirrin' dance of a 109/190.
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I show no mercy towards Spitfires, LA-7s, N1k2s, P-51Ds, or 190Ds.
Now if had been a P-40E or Ki-61, well, that would be a different story.
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I am happy to report that I have started strafing Rooks while they are taking off. In fact, I have gotten quite good at it. I learned in biology class that Rooks are simply monkeys that have been trained to fly.
If any Bishop is fighting me (Knight P51), and you wish to land, simply drop gear and flaps. Your surrender will be accepted.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
I am happy to report that I have started strafing Rooks while they are taking off. In fact, I have gotten quite good at it. I learned in biology class that Rooks are simply monkeys that have been trained to fly.
If any Bishop is fighting me (Knight P51), and you wish to land, simply drop gear and flaps. Your surrender will be accepted.
And the knits wonder why there numbers are so low....
Been hitting the Bish pretty hard the last couple of nights, perhaps it's time to go back huntin Knights?
If there is a stereotype P51 dweeb, this is it!:rolleyes: Come play with my monkey Dave!
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"Been hitting the Bish pretty hard the last couple of nights, perhaps it's time to go back huntin Knights?"
Oh no ... please don't ... I beg you ... mercy ... have mercy ...
:rofl
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All I can say is.... "War is Hell"
Also, I guess I'm the only one that likes to kill vulchers? .
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Originally posted by SlapShot
"Been hitting the Bish pretty hard the last couple of nights, perhaps it's time to go back huntin Knights?"
Oh no ... please don't ... I beg you ... mercy ... have mercy ...
:rofl
Never figured you for an instigator Slap. You may continue :D
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Oh no ... please don't ... I beg you ... mercy ... have mercy ...
Righton Motoroil, guess we can start pointing our squads at Knits again. Was getting bored of fighting the same bish over and over anyhow.
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Bring it on Manx ... ;)
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Consider it on the way :cool:
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am i missing something?
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I think Yeagar said it on the Discovery Channel.
He said he got the guy once, why in hell would he want to give the guy a second chance? So he shot the guy. War is hell, ya know.
BTW, I'm a hero I give my life for my countrymen all the time. :D
not that i wanna or anything....its just happens.......
Ren
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Having been shot up and down dozens of times, in a P51, in a chute, on the ground, on fire etc. I realize online war is hell and give as good as I get. Well I would if I was any good. The great thing about the game is the you don't have to have any morality at all. Kill them all and execute prisoners because no one really dies. Besides it's fun and you get perk points.:D
In real war chute shooting wasn't that common but it happened and in truth is it makes some sense, pilots are harder to replace than aircraft or used to be anyway. I remember reading about the fighting in Malta. One RAF pilot enraged to see a buddy strafed in a liferaft bided his time and when next he saw a Luftwaffe liferaft, replied in kind.
What goes around comes around.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
"Been hitting the Bish pretty hard the last couple of nights, perhaps it's time to go back huntin Knights?"
Oh no ... please don't ... I beg you ... mercy ... have mercy ...
:rofl
LOL
Stats from last night
MotorOil 7 Knights 0
But damit, 11 Bish still got in my way!!! Tonight for sure, no mercy!:cool:
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Originally posted by MotorOil
LOL
Stats from last night
MotorOil 7 Knights 0
But damit, 11 Bish still got in my way!!! Tonight for sure, no mercy!:cool:
I was gonna fly tonight, but after seeing those stats (18 total kills for the night) ... I am considering cancelling my account because I would hate to run into the likes of you and have to actually dogfight someone.