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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zippatuh on September 10, 2003, 10:05:00 AM
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So I log on last night in the midst of conversation between squad mates on choice in aircraft which just so happens to turn out to be, well, old or early war aircraft. To this I respond with “Early war dweebs”.
To my surprise and dismay I was labeled as a boom and zoom dweeb, due to my choice as always the P51D.
The short discussion then lead to boom and zoom was basically vulching at altitudes. I had to think about this some. Just what exactly are the “furball” fights that we are finding?
Are they mano-e-mano fights? No. Are they straight heads up fights? No. Furballs are merely a chance to shoot someone down who’s situational awareness has gotten overloaded to the point picking aircraft off is shooting fish in barrels until you end up being one of the fish.
I started to think about the advantages to entering a furball in a slower less equipped aircraft. About this time I kept hearing the lamentations of one squad mate about not being able to catch anyone before he himself became a fish and how many rounds it took to finally down the enemy. So why I ask myself would you want to be placed in this situation?
It’s not like the choice in aircraft is a long time love from history. I’m not even sure it can be considered more “challenging” based on the situation. A low slow aircraft is just meat regardless of the year it was made.
So I end up with this conclusion. Why the early war or old aircraft as the choice? Pilot age.
You see, they just get to damn slow and everything else just gets too damn fast for all that eye, hand, brain calculation stuff. It’s just easier with old age to drive something that doesn’t stall as bad and stays under the doctor recommended speed limit.
At least, that’s my take on it :D.
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For me, nothing beats entering a mass furball in a Hurricane IIC in this game. The real skill in this game is being able to enter one and come out alive in a turnfighter.
Any dweeb can up a P-51 and run from anything that notices it, cherrypicking those poor unsuspecting people and AFK'ers.
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Is the YakU a turnfighter or a BnZ?
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Is the YakU a turnfighter or a BnZ?
Its a dweebmobile if you are in it.
:D
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Running, err extending, I do not have a problem with.
I drop in and end up with ohhh, a red blob behind me, yeah, I’m extending.
Why? Because I can :D.
But then again I admit that I’m just a no skilled cherry picker who couldn’t win a 1v1 or 1v2 unless both happen to be AFK at the time.
Most of my kills are stolen from others anyhow. I like things tenderized first.
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The only dweebmobile i'm proud to be in!
:D
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Running, err extending, I do not have a problem with.
I drop in and end up with ohhh, a red blob behind me, yeah, I’m extending.
Why? Because I can :D.
But then again I admit that I’m just a no skilled cherry picker who couldn’t win a 1v1 or 1v2 unless both happen to be AFK at the time.
Most of my kills are stolen from others anyhow. I like things tenderized first.
No shame in runnin from the spitwad (wad of spits).
I recall an event that happened in the CT.. i just pickled ord on fuel in me P40 and was bookin away.. Looked back to see about 15 planes behind me. Someone commented "You got the whole damn luftwaffle after you!" lol.. ran till one or two 110s were after me and i turned around n' got one of em :D
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Actually Zip I never called you a Dweeb , that was Toad.
How ever you are a Dweeb runstanging cherry pickin kiil stealing ****:)
I like the 51D as a wingman . It compliments the early war stuff and helps keep your 6 clear when invoved in a furball type situation.
So I hope you keep on dweebing Zip:)
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beats the alternative
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Originally posted by AKIron
beats the alternative
Hey Zip...I think your just pissed off because of all the kills we steal from ya. By the time you get that 400ias pony turned around, we've killed everyone:)
Cyas Up!
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I believe "dweeb" is an equitable response when someone calls you a "dweeb".
And I think you misundertand about the guns. I kinda find it FUN to have to hammer an F6F apart with P-40B guns. Takes a while, you get to shoot a lot... I like that in a fight.
Yeah, it's easy to get IN a fight in a slow plane and pretty hard to get OUT of one. Makes it all the more sweet when you do actually bring a smoking shot up bird home.
Ya know, after I went afk for a sec, I jumped in a P-51 to join ya for old times sake. But Sax told me you had logged. So I went up there by myself and got a higher 51, a co-alt La-7 and a slightly lower FW-190. All in the old approved B&Z style. I actually had to make two passes on the FW. And in all that cloud of red, I never took a ping. (Jeez, I sound like Beet1e, don't I?)
I guess that's good flying or something. I didn't feel much of a sense of accomplishment tho.
But like I told Sax then, it just wasn't as much fun. So, I rtb'd and landed and logged.
Next time I'll take my Geritol earlier and see if I can keep up with you youngsters with your hair on fire.
But hey, like Sax says, it's nice to have a Mustang covering ya high. I'll still fly 51's with ya... you wanna try a P-40 or FM-2 sortie too?
;)
Cya up there.. Sax, Rude.. I say we let Zip plan the mission.
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I fly the F6F and P-40E 90% of the time. Though... lately I've been giving the Typhoon a spin now and the if the furball is really heavy and I want to unleash 4 hispanos.
One of my favorite things to do is to hang out at about 5-6k and wait for a late war cherry picker to come zooming through the furball. With a proper lead turn and a little luck, there's a 2 second window where the .50's can reach out and touch anything. There's just nothing better than a G-10, Dora, P-51 or La-7 pilot insisting you just cheated because you caught them and shot them in a P-40.
The dogfights can be really fun too as most people are prone to keep engaged with an early war ride because they feel they have enough of an advantage. Unfortunately, it also means you stay engaged until you kill everyone or you die. Usually, you will get ganged if you engage for more than a couple of seconds in a furball... and an early war ride offers you little choice to do otherwise.
I do fly the P-40 because It's been my favorite plane since I was 4 years old and was given a model of one. I started flying the F6F-5 to get me ready in case a P-40 was ever introduced in AH and really started to like that plane. The rest really just aren't that much fun except in certain situations.
MiniD
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Yup....the P-40 is cool.
I hear ya on the reversals....folks come blazin in on ya only to find themselves in the tower...I laugh out loud often on the squad vox when I reverse them tight and get that 200 yrd shot.
I've been cheatin lately and have been drivin the Hurri II.:)
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I just read all of Zip's post and finally realized he insulted me.
Talk about old and slow.
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, it's easy to get IN a fight in a slow plane and pretty hard to get OUT of one. Makes it all the more sweet when you do actually bring a smoking shot up bird home.
That's what I enjoy. Although for some reason this tour I don't remember getting out of many. Mindset thing, gotta couch ??
When this one is history, going back to the furballin 1-D. Different mindset. Thanks for the use of the couch.
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Well I tend to try various AC out from time to time. Also I tend to fly the spit v or fm2 as of late, though I do jump into a pony from time to time as I do enjoy this plane. Hence my reason for posting Zipy... true the pony is fast good vis, great range on a 75% fuel load out. But B&Z dweeb buggy? Have you ever droped flaps 25% and churned it up? Silly me I though it was a turn fighter with the ability to get me too the fight faster. Then again I am truely a dweeb .. I auger many times rather than land (to save time 'course> on many ocasions. I could not tell you my score. I also threaten to "fly for real" just to see how I would do, but never seem to manage the patience. Also on any ocasion I jump into the fight no matter my status or the odds & against the cry of one of my squadies < rickT > who fly's the pony far better than I. I just thank the powers that be that those flaps deploy when ever I need them too & hope for atleast one kill before the horde gets me.
All this was great fun, but now .. that I know the truth. The P51 is a dweeb B&Z plane what am I too do. I fly this bird all wrong :). Guess I'll hide out in the spit5 or fm2 till I learn to get it right.
Pirate
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ROFL, Zipp! Nice post.
Come to think of it, quite a few of the BK/TAS alliance are old farts who have passed 50. :D
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Originally posted by sax
I just read all of Zip's post and finally realized he insulted me.
Talk about old and slow.
Hehehe I hear ya Sax, afraid I resemble that remark too. ;)
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Damn, missed squad night yesterday, my bad gents. As for planning the mission, well, I’d have to say I’m a natural born follower.
Not one of those mindless liming followers, but the one who’ll frag his leader and find a better one ;).
That’s true Pirate, the P51 really doesn’t turn very well so I wouldn’t. Of course, if I seem to remember right I was turning pretty good with Sax in the DA. He was in an FM2 of course, been some time ago though.
I’ll slow down and stall fight in a 51 just not with spits, niki’s, or zero’s. P40’s, oh yeah, I’ll slow down for you. Most US stuff I’ll slow down a bit except for the F6F. The right pilot in that aircraft and I have too many problems getting angles.
Oh, and yaks, never, NEVER, slow down for a yak.
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In late war planes like the pee 51, deedee9 or g10... you get to lurk around the fights.... allways keeping your e up and hoping no one is even higher than you that you can't still "extend" away from (for half a sector or more sometimes)...
In an early war plane.... you are the fight.
lazs
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Been waiting for you lazs… I seem to remember a con picture of you.
How’s the rheumatoid and the cataracts?
Did you oppose the speed limit increase years back? I can see as how going from 55 to 65 could cause some calculation problems.
:D
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Maybe it's time to form an old farts squad and show these whippersnappers a uh... what were we talking about :confused:
(where'd I put that geritol)
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Lazs.. you say that like it's a rule to flying anything post '43?
I fly the G10 and i'm not afraid to turnfight with it. Especially against stupid Spit9s or N1Ks.
I'm not afraid of diein at all. (well, unless i'm in a perkie, which is rarely)
Mostly though.. I don't run, and it's rare i extend.. I just don't fight hurris or FM2s because i'de have to at the least half-BnZ :p
Had a fun 1 on 1 in the MA with Fariz' La5 in a turnfight.. lasted a few minutes and i never ran.
Yeah, i'm just tootin my own horn, but early war isnt elite, it's just all the newbies online these days that fly the late war for speed to run away or auger into a hangar quicker.
There are no good or bad planes, and no one has the right to be the judge of that's correct to fly.
(Ruh roh, it's my 666th post! I'm eeeeeeeebil. )
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Originally posted by lazs2
In late war planes like the pee 51, deedee9 or g10... you get to lurk around the fights.... allways keeping your e up and hoping no one is even higher than you that you can't still "extend" away from (for half a sector or more sometimes)...
In an early war plane.... you are the fight.
lazs
ROFL Lazs!
Now I know why you wouldn't like an RPS: For most of each tour, you'd have nothing to complain about. :D
BTW - I won a turnfight in a G10 with a N1K who was on my 6 yesterday. Film available - just whistle! :cool:
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gotta remember with N1Ks.. They cut well, but thier sustained turn stinks.. That and the G10 turns a lot better than people think it's gonna
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zip... 65 is all right so long as it doesn't take more than about 5 seconds to get there.
yeah rut... guess I was mistaken about the gee 10 guys.... real furballing, fun loving lot they are.
beetle... ? RPS is nothing but one big uneven and unfair mess with maybe one or two historical periods with parity... nothing to be done with the boredom of no variety in the fights tho with even the best RPS matchup (gee... I wonder what that 109 is gonna do?)
lazs
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As much as I like flying the Big Jug :D
I'd have to pull for the P-40E/P-51B combo. I think people find it the most under estmated birds in the flock. Granted when flying the Pony B you have to be up someone's 6 and less then 300 yards to kill'em it make it fun.
Same goes for the P-40E. As long as theres no LA-7/Niki's around the plane can hold it's own. I've seem some of the better skilled pilots have some sucess with it.
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Nothing better for a combination of both BnZ and stall and turnfighting then a Jug. Once it gets low...it's not running away from much....and diving into the fray in that BigAss Bird is a hoot!
Nothing like dropping flaps for an over shoot...or reversal and letting those 8 .50s open up on the suprised opponent.
One can only BnZ so long in the Jug.....loses energy quickly because of it's weight.....and it sure can make a pony flop around at slow speeds when the pony has lost it's E and trying to stay upright and keep from stalling....then the pony pilot notices the Jug turn inside it easily.....and if on the deck....there's no way for
the Jug to pickup E.....he's gotta fight his way out....that's the
fun of flyin' that BigAssed Bird
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gotta love the 11 for that hajo --I'm suprised at the amount of people who scream cheater at me for out turning their spit
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Drone...yup....11 good...but I prefer the D30