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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: trolla on September 10, 2003, 12:04:21 PM
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What is happening with our world ?
She is beeing threathed at a hospital and is woundend badly.
A few years ago Skandinavia was a safe heaven, guess that is not the truth anymore.
This just sucks big times :(
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According to the news, she died. Very sad, my condolences to everyone in Sweden.
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lol
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Got to remark these yankee boys replies for the future reference.
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Btw fishu the lol was for chairboys remark.
you have to admint it was funny.
it may be in bad taste. but funny it was
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It was meant primarly for Chairboy and a remark for any further smart arses..
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It is sad, but the police are so far saying they don't think it was politically motivated. Remember, Swedish politicians seem to attract an awful lot of unwanted attention. Back in 86, one PM was killed with his wife, and a few years later some animal rights person shot another politician.
BTW, please feel free to log my response to this. It is my perception that the eurocrowd is quite a bit worse in their responses to sad events in the US, so all I ask is that you not limit the scope of your attention to americans. What you see in the mirror may sadden you.
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Send the UN to stop the violence in Scandanavia.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
BTW, please feel free to log my response to this. It is my perception that the eurocrowd is quite a bit worse in their responses to sad events in the US, so all I ask is that you not limit the scope of your attention to americans. What you see in the mirror may sadden you.
well, look whos walking arrogantly around when someones stabbed.
Have you seen some euro perhaps doing so?
Ever considered you might get bad response from the euros because of this kind of posts from US?
Americans never start anything, do they? hah.
Now, go away, you're worse than any euros.
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Swedish politicians seem to attract an awful lot of unwanted attention.
Ya, thats because they have guts to speak their minds, and have an solid backbone...
Word djust out that Anna died...
****ing ****.
It is my perception that the eurocrowd is quite a bit worse in their responses to sad events in the US.
Ya, that might be because your from the US right? Perception is an funny thing.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Chairboy
BTW, please feel free to log my response to this. It is my perception that the eurocrowd is quite a bit worse in their responses to sad events in the US, so all I ask is that you not limit the scope of your attention to americans. What you see in the mirror may sadden you.
I agree in general (as far as the AH BBS goes), but Fishu isn't really the guy you should target here maybe (i.e. "see in the mirror"). Also she's a diplomat - probably one of the most clued in Scandanavians around when it comes to the U.S.A.
From:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4022
Originally posted by Fishu
I don't know what to say..
My deepest condolences
:(
Now if it was a certain head of a certain Palestinian terror group who *acts* like a foreign minister...
"Why didn't someone give that guy a better knife?" :)
Mike/wulfie
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Rest in Peace Anna Lindh!
You were the one i was hoping for taking over the Swedish prime ministry post..
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I were in hopes she'd survive :(
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Terrible news I hoped she might survied too, but it did not end that way.
My condolances to the Swedish people.
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Gonna be a strange day here, feels like when Olof died...
All the girls here at work are crying etc, the phones are dead...
They even thinking about postponing the "Euro" voting on sunday...
The three biggest Swedish newspapers homepages are down, too much traffic...
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This is really sad.
Any idea why it happened? what was the motive?
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Depends on how you define "Why".
1. She was very open in her views, critizised what needed critizising etc.. She defenetly had enemys...
2. She was out shopping alone in one of Swedens best known "malls" without any bodyguards.
You can put 1 & 2 togheter, but what we heard so far it sounds like an mad man...
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I hear she's still in surgery, hope she pulls through. I also heard the attacker was wearing camouflaged fatigues?
Shes as dead as you can be...
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Sympathies to you Swedes. I was aware of her before this tragic event but didn't realise just how rare she was.
I might be assuming too much but this is Nationalism gone mad.
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My condolences on this sensless death
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I was really sad to read about her dying this morning, my deepest condolences to everyone affected by this.
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Originally posted by Trikky
I might be assuming too much but this is Nationalism gone mad.
Well if it is, it certainly won't promote the cause of the perpetrator.
My condolences to all Swedes and particularly to her family. Truly a sad day in Finland too.:(
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Damn that sucks. :(
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My boss's son recently got married and their family is all from Sweden, Holland and the region. They commented that things are terrible there now, citing immigration and other things as major problems...I'm not familiar with the region....what's the view from folks in that part of the world?
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Condelences to the Swedes.
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Sorry to hear this. :(
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my condolances, was hoping she would pull through.
btw- for Chairboy
BTW, please feel free to log my response to this. It is my perception that the eurocrowd is quite a bit worse in their responses to sad events in the US, so all I ask is that you not limit the scope of your attention to americans. What you see in the mirror may sadden you.
I see from your registration date (Feb 2002) that you wheren't here to read the huge and genuine outpouring of sympathy from those in europe (and the rest of the world) 2 years ago today.
we do bicker and complain about each other a bit, throwing insults back and forth accross the pond. but when something serious happens we tend to come together.
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citing immigration and other things as major problems...
Imigration is an major problem? no not an chance, actually we need more people here...
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Originally posted by Maniac
Imigration is an major problem? no not an chance, actually we need more people here...
Considering my Grandfather on my Fathers side is from Sweden (Nelson is our last name) I'd consider it, but 70%+ taxes, is waaaaay to high.
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70% sounds an bit high... Depend on what you include i guess...
I pay 32% income tax, but sure theres taxes on everything...
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My data seemed alittle old, here's the latest (Sweden still rules)
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/31/1054177766416.html
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sorry to hear that Nr-1 :( I was hoping she'd pull through....
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what's the view from folks in that part of the world?
Sticking to the topic, well atleast here in Sweden we have an problem with the psychiatric care... we have alot of loons running around on the streets...
During this summer an mad man ran over about 20 people in the middle of Stockholm killing one of them.
Someone threw an big rock down on an street 40 meters below and struck an dude in the head with it, he ended up in coma.
An 30 yr old man took an big "iron pole" of sorts and beat up 7 or 8 people on an subway station, including little girls wich he smashed their bicycle helmets on etc, i think one person died that time to not sure.
And dude assulted two elderly women with an sword, he chopped one ladys ear off and stabbed the other one in the arm it think.
Now this with Annah Lindh... And we got more news that an 25 yr old guy killed a 5th grader today with an knife...
Sure stuff do happen here, but there usually arent so many incedents that have happened latly...
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condolences.. :(
For some reason i think it might have to do with euro voting this weekend. Although seeing as it's likely to be a "no" vote, killing really doesn't make much sense... :(
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Murderer :
(http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/06/20/11/3fcc8379.jpg)
(http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/06/20/12/7fa048c1.jpg)
(http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/06/19/62/fb2c4a7c.jpg)
(http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/06/19/60/58147687.jpg)
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Why aren't they showing his face? The argument that it will affect witnesses testimonys is ludicrous...Shouldn't every effort be made to catch the perp??
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Yeah that suprised me too, I guess they're thinking it could help his defense if his photo is published everywhere - biasing witnesses perhaps? Maybe I've been watching too many police dramas on TV where they sucessfully prosecute killers using a flake of dandruff, but they've got the murder weapon, surely that's enough?
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Originally posted by mora
Why aren't they showing his face? The argument that it will affect witnesses testimonys is ludicrous...Shouldn't every effort be made to catch the perp??
Er..no its not.
If they show his face every witness who saw the "real" perp run away will have his/hers mental image of the real perp affected.
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Originally posted by Trikky
Yeah that suprised me too, I guess they're thinking it could help his defense if his photo is published everywhere - biasing witnesses perhaps? Maybe I've been watching too many police dramas on TV where they sucessfully prosecute killers using a flake of dandruff, but they've got the murder weapon, surely that's enough?
Kinda depends on what they find on the murder weapon no?
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"""A few years ago Skandinavia was a safe heaven""'
nowhere is "safe"
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They cought the man on the pictures yesterday...
The dumb bellybutton went to an soccer game yesterday and got caught...
I was at the same soccer game... 35000 attendants and police everyvere...
What was he thinking?
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Gonna be a strange day here, feels like when Olof died... All the girls here at work are crying etc, the phones are dead...
ya i know the fealing,,i live in the usa,,and when the world trade center got hit,,you could see it on everyone's face ,,it made everything so superfical that day,im sorry for your loss,,my condolances too the sweedish people
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Originally posted by Maniac
Sticking to the topic, well atleast here in Sweden we have an problem with the psychiatric care... we have alot of loons running around on the streets...
During this summer an mad man ran over about 20 people in the middle of Stockholm killing one of them.
Someone threw an big rock down on an street 40 meters below and struck an dude in the head with it, he ended up in coma.
An 30 yr old man took an big "iron pole" of sorts and beat up 7 or 8 people on an subway station, including little girls wich he smashed their bicycle helmets on etc, i think one person died that time to not sure.
And dude assulted two elderly women with an sword, he chopped one ladys ear off and stabbed the other one in the arm it think.
Now this with Annah Lindh... And we got more news that an 25 yr old guy killed a 5th grader today with an knife...
Sure stuff do happen here, but there usually arent so many incedents that have happened latly...
But surely your advanced free miracle health care would have solved all these problems years ago..
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But surely your advanced free miracle health care would have solved all these problems years ago..
Why are you so ****ing anal Grunhertz?
Do you want to compare crime rates? Sweden vs USA?
****er
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Whats the point of comparing them, the usa does not have your level of wonderful miracle health and social programs. The question you should be asking is why are yours such a dismal failiure if you have so many nutcases going around and killing people.
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Thats it.
Next time theres an 9/11 i will be cheering.
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Who's cheering?
I just find that the truth of the sitiation in countries with wonder socialized health/support systems is vastly different than the perception you guys put forward to us here in the USA.
BTW go ahead do yourself a favor and edit that post before more of us americans see it. My compatriots may not be as forgiving as me.
But to get back to my original point why arent these people receving effective care or hospitalization in your wonder medical system instead of being on the streets?
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Nice edit ********.
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Edit of what? I added stuff and removed a post that quoted your staement above as I felt it would be nice to give you a chance to reconsider keeping it up there for americans to see in a few hours when they wake up.
Did I make a mistake? Are you proud of that remark? Did it finally feel good to be honest with your feelings after two years?
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BTW go ahead do yourself a favor and edit that post before more of us americans see it
Wake up.
Your not an American, your an American Wannabe, big differance..
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Originally posted by Maniac
Wake up.
Your not an American, your an American Wannabe, big differance..
Keep digging buddy.... :)
Oh and as long as you're still here why dont you humor us with the official EU approved definition of an American?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Who's cheering?
I just find that the truth of the sitiation in countries with wonder socialized health/support systems is vastly different than the perception you guys put forward to us here in the USA.
BTW go ahead do yourself a favor and edit that post before more of us americans see it. My compatriots may not be as forgiving as me.
But to get back to my original point why arent these people receving effective care or hospitalization in your wonder medical system instead of being on the streets?
I think the reason is the borderline between human rights for the looneys and the security for the society.
You can put a guy in a secure hospital for the rest of his life, but there is not just that easy, not in skandinavia or in the USA i guess.
there have to be very clear proofs and incidents of violence before they can put them in, beside physciatric care cannot force people unless they damage themselve or others first.
It is not a easy way to find a solution in a democratic country.
In a none democratic country they just shoot them, and I guess many who did not deserved that get shoot too (most of them)
I get this feeling you dont want to see anything else that your system is the best one Grunherz, to bad. (us system is very good, but so is many euro systems too)
I see faults with our system, and I guess there is problems in the US with crazy people walking around too ?
Somthimes in life things happens that we have no control over either youre a politician, worker, popstar or a alcoholic.
I feel that you show disrespect for others opinions, and I do not undertand youre way of thinking Grun.
I can see no reason for the negative waves you send us euro guys :D
Are we that negative too ?
Edit: tried to fix spell but gave up hope you understand my typing.
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My problem with the euro thinking is their arrogance towards the US system when obviously their system is flawed as well. This is even more apparent when you consider the general fact that the euro system is an attemt at some sort of gurantted social security as opposed to the more individualitic US mentality. So when euros come here and brag about their miracle system then any kind of failure is even more glaring.
I try to respect people and if anyone is really hurt, not merely offended etc, by anything I say or do and they tell me about it I will respect that very seriusly. But ideas and arguments I'll go after those as obviously this is an open discussion forum. :)
I like your post and yor attitude, thanks for taking the time to write it up.
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My problem with the euro thinking is their arrogance towards the US system when obviously their system is flawed as well.
So exactly what ticked you off in this thread?
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Nothing untill you posted that 911 thing. I merely expressed surprise when you posted that your country had known psychotics roaming the streets killing and beating up people.
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I merely expressed surprise when you posted that your country had known tics roaming the streets killing and beating up people.
Expressed surprice my ass. After all its planet earth we are living on...
Gloating is another word.
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That sweden had psychotic people is no surprise, duh. But that you let known identified and dangerous ones roam the streets is a surprise to me... I mean whats the point of your massive socialized medicine and social welfare system expenditures if you still have these people on the steets wandering around aimlessly and hurting others.
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I mean whats the point of your massive socialized medicine and social welfare system expenditures if you still have these people on the steets wandering around aimlessly and hurting others.
You are pathetic.
Skuzzy, lock please...
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Why are these people not being taken care of Maniac? Why? Are you so threatened by this fact that you cant even answer?
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Keep on digging buddy.
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Absolutely, your bizzare irrational response to my simple question about a failure in your medical sytem has my intrigued. I mean you took it so far as to all but wish for another 911 so you could cheer for the terrorists as they murdered 3000 innocent americans. You do realize how nutz that made you look??
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Just to remind everyone what I'm reffering to...
Originally posted by Maniac
Next time theres an 9/11 i will be cheering.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Just to remind everyone what I'm reffering to...
Maniac....:(
(Psst. Just because there were a couple stupid posters early in the thread doesn't mean you have to be stupid too)
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Yes Maniac please take it down and I will remove my refernces to it and try my best to forget that you said that. It's up to you Maniac make the right decision while you still have time...
Please
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why are these people not being taken care of Maniac? Why? Are you so threatened by this fact that you cant even answer?
look at my answer little earlyer grun guess that is why.
ticking bombs but not noticable until they blow its a little difficult to prevent things then :(
You just cant go and arrest everyone with mental problems cause of that.
And about the cheering i dont think he ment that, but got carried on here. (I have heard other people talking about nuking a whole nations earlyer, they for sure did not ment that either I hope )
The loss of the Anna lindh was a shock for most sweedes (and other skandinavians too) its all about emotions
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Oh I fully accept your explaination trolla. :)
It's Maniac's answer I'm trying to draw out.
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cc, but dont worry im sure maniac did not ment the phrase "cheering" Im pretty positive he did not nobody does :)
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Originally posted by trolla
cc, but dont worry im sure maniac did not ment the phrase "cheering" Im pretty positive he did not nobody does :)
I think he was pretty explicit and certainly I have asked him enough to change those words yet he has refused to do so...
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The poor woman is stabed to death while shopping and everyone goes crazy!?!? Not much credit to either side of the Alantic in this thread.
My condolences to her family and friends. May she rest in peace.
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GRUNHERZ: That sweden had psychotic people is no surprise, duh. But that you let known identified and dangerous ones roam the streets is a surprise to me... I mean whats the point of your massive socialized medicine and social welfare system expenditures if you still have these people on the steets wandering around aimlessly and hurting others.
You are confusing a socialised healthcare system and police state.
Their socialised healthcare system just provides, however ineficciently, the treatment of the patients who apply for treatment. It does not have enforcement, investicagion or intelligence divisions, SWAT teams or snipers.
It does not have power to arrest and confine or forcefully sterilise people (like it was done to ~50,000 americans) on a suspicion of being phsychotic or otherwise deficient.
miko
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Miko that would be true and I would agree with you except for the fact that so many of the euros and canadians dump on the USA system so much and lambast us for our nations apparent barabarity in not having such a miracle health system as they do.